Lasalle transfer Aaric Murray had plans to visit this weekend but sources have said he is visiting kansas. Does anyone know if he is still planning a visit with us?
I think either the Marquette and DePaul visits the past two weekends were eliminated by Aaric Murray or the schools pulled out of the running. Sounds like it's down to Kansas and West Virginia.
According to his twitter, last night was his last night in Philly "for a couple days," and it looks like he will be making a decision May 7. He still might be coming to MU this weekend.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 22, 2011, 07:33:21 AM
According to his twitter, last night was his last night in Philly "for a couple days," and it looks like he will be making a decision May 7. He still might be coming to MU this weekend.
I don't believe he is. IWB said MU withdrew their interest a week or two back.
Quote from: Chili on April 22, 2011, 07:55:04 AM
I don't believe he is. IWB said MU withdrew their interest a week or two back.
But MU had offered him in the past. I thought he was as good as signed!
It was said "we pulled out." You guys down with that?
Quote from: Chili on April 22, 2011, 07:55:04 AM
I don't believe he is. IWB said MU withdrew their interest a week or two back.
Didn't the interest just start two weeks back?
This smells like we aren't good enough for Murray and we'll now play the "save face" game.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on April 22, 2011, 09:29:38 AM
Didn't the interest just start two weeks back?
This smells like we aren't good enough for Murray and we'll now play the "save face" game.
If he's not coming here, better to pull out than commit resources to a player you know you can't land.
Murray is visitng Kansas this weekend.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 22, 2011, 08:54:15 AM
But MU had offered him in the past. I thought he was as good as signed!
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How dare you criticize Buzz's recruiting prowess.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 22, 2011, 08:55:35 AM
It was said "we pulled out." You guys down with that?
After the Providence news, that's probably a good thing....
Quote from: shoothoops on April 22, 2011, 10:35:00 AM
Murray is visitng Kansas this weekend.
OK...makes sense.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on April 22, 2011, 09:29:38 AM
Didn't the interest just start two weeks back?
This smells like we aren't good enough for Murray and we'll now play the "save face" game.
No, our (fans) knowledge of the interest may have started two weeks ago, that does not mean Buzz and Aaric's interest just started two weeks ago. He announced he was transferring mid March. MU had an initial interest. There may not have been long term interest from either side.
To me, it smells more like Buzz wants someone else other than Murray.
I'm really starting to think Buzz holds the scholarship for 2012. Not much out there at all and the few guys who are open who aren't sold on a few schools like Daniels and Lacey are high major reaches who wouldn't be in Marquette's playing rotation next year or ever.
Nope
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 22, 2011, 03:07:19 PM
Nope
Then give me a name of a player who would be worth Buzz offering a scholarship to who would be better than holding it for a loaded 2012 class.
Quote from: TedBaxter on April 22, 2011, 02:52:55 PM
I'm really starting to think Buzz holds the scholarship for 2012. Not much out there at all and the few guys who are open who aren't sold on a few schools like Daniels and Lacey are high major reaches who wouldn't be in Marquette's playing rotation next year or ever.
I am thinking the same thing as well. I believe Singleton might get the last scholarship instead of being a walk on next year. I don't see us linked to anyone in 2011 that has us high on their list.
Quote from: TheFarEastMovement on April 22, 2011, 03:29:09 PM
I don't see us linked to anyone in 2011 that has us high on their list.
So look for a surprise signing (maybe from JC?) like Buzz has done every spring so far.
Mangisto Arop has received a release from Gonzaga and although he scored 15 points against MU last year, he's a 6-6 kid and that's the logjam area for Marquette in coming years.
Buzz can afford to be super selective and if you don't see someone that can truly help you, move on. Unless there's a frontcourt transfer not known yet or some foreign player, I will be really, really surprised that Buzz will pull the trigger.
Gardner wasn't all that highly rated, and he didn't commit to MU until May 3 last year. I highly doubt that Buzz leaves the scholie vacant unless he has some sort of transfer in mind.
Quote from: TheFarEastMovement on April 22, 2011, 03:29:09 PM
I am thinking the same thing as well. I believe Singleton might get the last scholarship instead of being a walk on next year. I don't see us linked to anyone in 2011 that has us high on their list.
You may be right. If Singleton is as good as Wes mentioned after the ProAm he could have earned that schollie. Even though it's a long shot it'd be nice to have another PG that already gets along great with the rest of the guys.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 22, 2011, 04:22:05 PM
Gardner wasn't all that highly rated, and he didn't commit to MU until May 3 last year. I highly doubt that Buzz leaves the scholie vacant unless he has some sort of transfer in mind.
Yes, but Davante was on Marquette's radar for a couple months prior to him signing and the hiccup was whether he'd qualify.
I thought the hiccup was whether or not he would go to USF instead. Are you saying there is no one on MU's radar like Ox was last year? If so, you might be right. We would have two additional scholies for 2012 assuming everything works out with Furguson.
cant remember the name but he played with Junior and is from Canada, would be a gradute student fifth year, 6 7 and decent player with one year and immediately eligible. WOuld need a major that he cant get at his present school. My guess someone like him.
Singleton will not be scholarshipped.
After three seasons Buzz has shown time and again and again and again that he finds and signs players no one talks about here. Who talked about Crowder before he signed?
So, what has this thread evolved into? Since we cannot figure out who Buzz is going to sign, we conclude he will sign no one.
Shelve this conversation for a month. Let Buzz do what he does best, confound the experts here.
And, for the record, I'm in the camp that you NEVER bank a schollie.
Well, about a week or so after Jeronne Maymon left the team, I brought up Crowder's name to a couple friends of mine in late December of 2009. One of them then found out that one of the Marquette coaches went down to scout Jae Crowder after the second semester started and just a few weeks later Jae verballed to Marquette.
If you want a couple of sleeper names from the JUCO ranks, 6-9 Casey Arent from Serra (CA) Community College is visiting Oklahoma this weekend and 6-10 Bryant Crowder from Eastern Utah College is still available. Crowder went to Rice High School in New York City and then went to Santa Monica (CA) College before ending up at Eastern Utah this year. Crowder had originally verballed to San Diego State before signing with Southern Mississippi last fall. He's been released by Southern Mississippi and I have no idea what he intends to do now.
Hey Ted...last week I said something real sarcastic about one of your recruiting posts.
You clearly know more than I do about the subject and do your research. So I am sorry. Keep up with the info.
Quote from: TedBaxter on April 22, 2011, 09:05:35 PM
Well, about a week or so after Jeronne Maymon left the team, I brought up Crowder's name to a couple friends of mine in late December of 2009. One of them then found out that one of the Marquette coaches went down to scout Jae Crowder after the second semester started and just a few weeks later Jae verballed to Marquette.
If you want a couple of sleeper names from the JUCO ranks, 6-9 Casey Arent from Serra (CA) Community College is visiting Oklahoma this weekend and 6-10 Bryant Crowder from Eastern Utah College is still available. Crowder went to Rice High School in New York City and then went to Santa Monica (CA) College before ending up at Eastern Utah this year. Crowder had originally verballed to San Diego State before signing with Southern Mississippi last fall. He's been released by Southern Mississippi and I have no idea what he intends to do now.
I wouldn't put it past Buzz to sign Bryant Crowder.
Since we have had two Williamses (and almost a third), two DJs (DJ and DJO), and a slew of Js (Jimmy, Joe, Jeronne, Junior...surprisingly NO Jordans).
So two Crowders would actually fit at MU.
Why not?
Quote from: TedBaxter on April 22, 2011, 09:05:35 PM
Well, about a week or so after Jeronne Maymon left the team, I brought up Crowder's name to a couple friends of mine in late December of 2009. One of them then found out that one of the Marquette coaches went down to scout Jae Crowder after the second semester started and just a few weeks later Jae verballed to Marquette.
If you want a couple of sleeper names from the JUCO ranks, 6-9 Casey Arent from Serra (CA) Community College is visiting Oklahoma this weekend and 6-10 Bryant Crowder from Eastern Utah College is still available. Crowder went to Rice High School in New York City and then went to Santa Monica (CA) College before ending up at Eastern Utah this year. Crowder had originally verballed to San Diego State before signing with Southern Mississippi last fall. He's been released by Southern Mississippi and I have no idea what he intends to do now.
If we go back into the archives, their are maybe 200+ names that have been mentioned for the final schollie spot. Cracked Sidewalks had a thread with the "fifty top names." So, just about every possible name has been brought up here. I'm sure if/when Buzz gets someone, we'll find his name somewhere on the is board.
What I'm talking about is a Todd Mayo situation. 20 threads discussing a recruit right before he commits. I get the feeling that since no one has emerged for the final spot to warrant this much discussion that many here are concluding no one will be signed. That is a bad assumption.
Buzz has shown time and again he signs guys that are not on our radar (but have been mentioned in passing) so do not assume no one will be in signed. If no one is signed by mid to late May, then assume it.
I just don't see banking a schollie either - one in hand rather than hoping for 2 next year. Also, you just don't know where the surprise huge contributor will come from:
1. Jimmy butler was a noname we stumbled onto while recruiting fulce.
2. Otule was a 2-star.
3. Did anyone really except much out of cubillan or even think it was worthwhile to burn ackers transfer year?
I believe you could have argued we would have been better off to bank schollies for any of those 4, and they have all made huge contributions.
All it takes is one transfer or inkury (djo) to suddenly realize you have a lot more than you thought when an acker or butler steps up.
Quote from: marquette99 on April 23, 2011, 04:03:17 PM
I just don't see banking a schollie either - one in hand rather than hoping for 2 next year. Also, you just don't know where the surprise huge contributor will come from:
1. Jimmy butler was a noname we stumbled onto while recruiting fulce.
2. Otule was a 2-star.
3. Did anyone really except much out of cubillan or even think it was worthwhile to burn ackers transfer year?
I believe you could have argued we would have been better off to bank schollies for any of those 4, and they have all made huge contributions.
All it takes is one transfer or inkury (djo) to suddenly realize you have a lot more than you thought when an acker or butler steps up.
1. When we signed Butler, I expected him to do what Fulce ended up doing, role-player who could occasionally contribute a bit more. But after watching him as our sixth man behind the Amigos and 'Zar, I expected him to be a star. It was clear he was a very talented player.
2. I hoped for a lane-clogger, but never thought he'd be a starter, especially after his early injuries.
3. I expected
more out of Cubillan. He was a three-point assassin off the bench as a freshman, I really thought he'd be a sniper for three years, then step out of the Amigos shadow and become a leader as a senior. It didn't quite happen that way, but considering his injuries, I'm okay with what happened. As far as Acker, I wasn't sold (like many were) when he stepped in for James as a junior, but I was definitely pleasantly surprised by his senior performance.
I don't want to see the schollie banked. I could see the argument for having banked it for any of those guys (as you rightly point out) and it would have been a mistake in each case. I'd rather take a flier, but at the same time, I don't look forward to what I think will probably be fallout if the guy ends up leaving after one mediocre (or worse) season. I accept it, but don't look forward to it.
If Buzz decides to sign a 'project' for the last slot I'll assume it has to be a big man. Can't see it being used for a PG. I suppose that last PG spot belongs to Singleton. Do remember that at most 10 guys can get regular playing time.
Quote from: MUMac on April 22, 2011, 02:36:08 PM
No, our (fans) knowledge of the interest may have started two weeks ago, that does not mean Buzz and Aaric's interest just started two weeks ago. He announced he was transferring mid March. MU had an initial interest. There may not have been long term interest from either side.
To me, it smells more like Buzz wants someone else other than Murray.
That's always the answer, isn't it?
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on April 24, 2011, 09:05:10 AMThat's always the answer, isn't it?
Agreed. I don't know who we'll end up signing, but I am 110% confident that if Aaric Murray was willing to sign a NLI, Buzz would take him in a baby's heartbeat.
My guess is he picks Kansas this weekend, and that we were out of the running when they got into the picture.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on April 24, 2011, 09:05:10 AM
That's always the answer, isn't it?
Nope. Sometimes the player wants a school other than MU. But, I suspect for you, your original comment is always the answer to you, isn't it?
Maybe MU pulled out because others pulled in. Maybe they did an exploratory investigation and decided he was not what they wanted - for whatever reason. Whatever the reason, I know you do not know the facts, but will spin it negatively anyway.
Short of a call from raleigh, I just don't believe there was anyone left buzz would have taken over murray. Nothing wrong with that - it will always be tough to grab a prime recruit from a kansas.
Why??? I would rather be in Milwaukee any day over Kansas. Boring......!
Msbjim,
In all honesty, are you asking why a recruit would choose KU or Marquette?
If so, wow. I am praying you are not an alum or current student, b/c you would negatively affect the value of my own degree.
Quote from: marquette99 on April 24, 2011, 07:50:23 PM
Short of a call from raleigh, I just don't believe there was anyone left buzz would have taken over murray. Nothing wrong with that - it will always be tough to grab a prime recruit from a kansas.
I don't believe it ever got that far where Buzz would have or would not have taken Murray. For whatever reason, MU has moved on and so has Murray. I am fine with that.
Per a report from a Kansas site, Aaric didn't visit Kansas last weekend and there's no trip planned. It might be West Virginia or bust for Murray. There must be some serious questions going on about him right now.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 22, 2011, 06:19:12 PM
After three seasons Buzz has shown time and again and again and again that he finds and signs players no one talks about here. Who talked about Crowder before he signed?
So, what has this thread evolved into? Since we cannot figure out who Buzz is going to sign, we conclude he will sign no one.
Shelve this conversation for a month. Let Buzz do what he does best, confound the experts here.
And, for the record, I'm in the camp that you NEVER bank a schollie.
Then, by necessity, you must also be in the "you must always be prepared to run a player off the team" camp.
Quote from: marquette99 on April 23, 2011, 04:03:17 PM
I just don't see banking a schollie either - one in hand rather than hoping for 2 next year. Also, you just don't know where the surprise huge contributor will come from:
1. Jimmy butler was a noname we stumbled onto while recruiting fulce.
2. Otule was a 2-star.
3. Did anyone really except much out of cubillan or even think it was worthwhile to burn ackers transfer year?
I believe you could have argued we would have been better off to bank schollies for any of those 4, and they have all made huge contributions.
All it takes is one transfer or inkury (djo) to suddenly realize you have a lot more than you thought when an acker or butler steps up.
So how was it that Kentucky -- that was also showing interest in Jimmy -- stumbled upon him. I think that Butler had a higher profile than you were aware of.
Quote from: marquette99 on April 24, 2011, 07:50:23 PM
Short of a call from raleigh, I just don't believe there was anyone left buzz would have taken over murray. Nothing wrong with that - it will always be tough to grab a prime recruit from a kansas.
It continues to astound me how those who are
so hot over Murray ignore the reason he's leaving LaSalle.
I thought the rap on him at lasalle was that the coaches didn't think he was putting out a great effort. If he was putting up the points and rebounds he did at lasalle without putting out a full effort, then I'd be extremely excited about the numbers he'd put up if buzz could push him to a new level. He thought he had the big transfer coming into play next to him from nebraska (I believe) and then the guy got an indecent exposure and lasalle didn't accept him, so I assumed he didn't want to play two more 15-15 seasons. If you know of character issues, let us know, but it's not often you have a shot on pace to be close to a 20 pt, 10 reb guy when he steps on the court for you as a junior, so yes that's exciting. If buzz told him about boot camp and he wasn't up for it,fine, or if he told buzz he was pretty locked in with wvu unless kansas offerred, then happy to have buzz focus elsewhere, but you had to be excited about the potential while we had any chance.
@BigJayBee
Aaric Murray says he's headed to WVa.. #mubb RT @Aaric24: I'm the newest member of the west Virginia team!
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 30, 2011, 11:25:51 AM
@BigJayBee
Aaric Murray says he's headed to WVa.. #mubb RT @Aaric24: I'm the newest member of the west Virginia team!
Hmmmm...Thuggins!