I can't find mention of it in the MUScoop Wiki...but did Mike Deane actively recruit Robert Jackson out of high school?
I understand that MU was after Robert, but he chose to go south.
Jackson got a nice pay day to go South. Do any of you wonder when kids go to like
Oregon, Miss. St., or obscure places that something isn't fishy? Even UConn getting the
Houston kids? We know that even Calhoun, maybe not Calhoun for say, but his people?
Calipari getting 4 HS All-Americans, and coaches before him could not? Bruce Pearl should
right a book since it will be awhile before somebody gives him a job? He is listed nowhere
right now, I am not sure even the TV people want him next year? MU got 3 kids from Texas
that where not highly rated, that can happen, but lets see if Buzz can recruit a 4 or 5 star
recruit from that area? I say it is really hard, to hard.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2011, 11:19:18 PM
Jackson got a nice pay day to go South. Do any of you wonder when kids go to like
Oregon, Miss. St., or obscure places that something isn't fishy? Even UConn getting the
Houston kids? We know that even Calhoun, maybe not Calhoun for say, but his people?
Calipari getting 4 HS All-Americans, and coaches before him could not? Bruce Pearl should
right a book since it will be awhile before somebody gives him a job? He is listed nowhere
right now, I am not sure even the TV people want him next year? MU got 3 kids from Texas
that where not highly rated, that can happen, but lets see if Buzz can recruit a 4 or 5 star
recruit from that area? I say it is really hard, to hard.
Got proof on that claim BCHoopster? Doubt it, but anonymous message boards allow you to spread rumors quite easily.
That's right, Norm. You tell him!
Quote from: Norm on April 04, 2011, 11:38:22 PM
Got proof on that claim BCHoopster? Doubt it, but anonymous message boards allow you to spread rumors quite easily.
Calipari and Calhoun have have been caught cheating or did I miss something? You think Lew Alcindor and the good
years with Sam Gilbert or maybe even Herb Kohl for Al McGuire, if you think a bartender from New York was not a little
shady, if you think that it did not happen then you are dreaming. Rumors like this happen, ask Kentucky with the money
in the fed x package for Mills. Calipari has a bagman, and that is from a very reliable source. I do not know anything about
Oregon, but come on, Nike, you think they do not throw around a little money. 3 or 4 kids from Chi go there, do you think
they had Oregon on there mind when they were juniors? Rumors, maybe Auburn is clean in football or Ohio St.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2011, 11:19:18 PM
Jackson got a nice pay day to go South. Do any of you wonder when kids go to like
Oregon, Miss. St., or obscure places that something isn't fishy? Even UConn getting the
Houston kids? We know that even Calhoun, maybe not Calhoun for say, but his people?
Calipari getting 4 HS All-Americans, and coaches before him could not? Bruce Pearl should
right a book since it will be awhile before somebody gives him a job? He is listed nowhere
right now, I am not sure even the TV people want him next year? MU got 3 kids from Texas
that where not highly rated, that can happen, but lets see if Buzz can recruit a 4 or 5 star
recruit from that area? I say it is really hard, to hard.
Erik Williams and Junior Cadougan were four-star players out of Texas.
Jamal Jones was a four-star player out of Georgia (by way of Florida).
As to Sultan's original question, my best recollection - and someone can correct me if I'm wrong - is that Mike Deane recruited Jackson, but more or less halfheartedly because he was gun shy/uninterested when it came to taking on kids with potential attitude or academic issues. That became especially true after one of the risks he did take, Alton Mason, blew up on him.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2011, 11:19:18 PM
Jackson got a nice pay day to go South. Do any of you wonder when kids go to like
Oregon, Miss. St., or obscure places that something isn't fishy? Even UConn getting the
Houston kids? We know that even Calhoun, maybe not Calhoun for say, but his people?
Calipari getting 4 HS All-Americans, and coaches before him could not? Bruce Pearl should
right a book since it will be awhile before somebody gives him a job? He is listed nowhere
right now, I am not sure even the TV people want him next year? MU got 3 kids from Texas
that where not highly rated, that can happen, but lets see if Buzz can recruit a 4 or 5 star
recruit from that area? I say it is really hard, to hard.
It isn't Jim's people that do it, he's the one making the "transactions"
BC, I'm talking about your claim about Robert Jackson getting paid to go to Mississippi State. Where's you proof for that one?
Somebody has been watching too much
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Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2011, 11:19:18 PM
Jackson got a nice pay day to go South. Do any of you wonder when kids go to like
Oregon, Miss. St., or obscure places that something isn't fishy? Even UConn getting the
Houston kids? We know that even Calhoun, maybe not Calhoun for say, but his people?
Calipari getting 4 HS All-Americans, and coaches before him could not? Bruce Pearl should
right a book since it will be awhile before somebody gives him a job? He is listed nowhere
right now, I am not sure even the TV people want him next year? MU got 3 kids from Texas
that where not highly rated, that can happen, but lets see if Buzz can recruit a 4 or 5 star
recruit from that area? I say it is really hard, to hard.
Congrats --without any factual support, you have at least 4 people you libel.
I live in Houston, and I've met the Okafor family. How dare you libel, and accuse wrongdoing against those you've never met, and why are you lacking of will to also state the actual facts, upon which you base the negative assumption.
By the way, Oregon, and Mississippi St, arent obscure places, except to you.. Each are actual states in the USA, the schools are larger than MU, and with larger sports budgets.
There is reason for concern-- but it goes way to far to presume a top recruit going across country for a far off school must be a dirty, cheating deal. Not every kid wants to stay closer to home...some actually seek to adventure far away, ....specifically so they dont grow up small minded to think of any place in our country as "obscure" .
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2011, 11:49:58 PM
Calipari and Calhoun have have been caught cheating or did I miss something? You think Lew Alcindor and the good
years with Sam Gilbert or maybe even Herb Kohl for Al McGuire, if you think a bartender from New York was not a little
shady, if you think that it did not happen then you are dreaming. Rumors like this happen, ask Kentucky with the money
in the fed x package for Mills. Calipari has a bagman, and that is from a very reliable source. I do not know anything about
Oregon, but come on, Nike, you think they do not throw around a little money. 3 or 4 kids from Chi go there, do you think
they had Oregon on there mind when they were juniors? Rumors, maybe Auburn is clean in football or Ohio St.
Ernie Kent grew up is Rockford, IL and played basketball at Oregon. Do you think that might have had something to do with his ability to bring in recruits from the Chicago area?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2011, 11:49:58 PM
I do not know anything about Oregon, but come on, Nike, you think they do not throw around a little money. 3 or 4 kids from Chi go there, do you think they had Oregon on there mind when they were juniors?
Do you think they paid that one kid from Racine to go to Oregon too? What ever happened to him??
Quote from: houwarrior on April 05, 2011, 07:50:50 AM
Congrats --without any factual support, you have at least 4 people you libel.
I live in Houston, and I've met the Okafor family. How dare you libel, and accuse wrongdoing against those you've never met, and why are you lacking of will to also state the actual facts, upon which you base the negative assumption.
By the way, Oregon, and Mississippi St, arent obscure places, except to you.. Each are actual states in the USA, the schools are larger than MU, and with larger sports budgets.
There is reason for concern-- but it goes way to far to presume a top recruit going across country for a far off school must be a dirty, cheating deal. Not every kid wants to stay closer to home...some actually seek to adventure far away, ....specifically so they dont grow up small minded to think of any place in our country as "obscure" .
Do you really think Calhoun is totally clean? If so, I will retrack my statement. Isn't he suspended for two games next year?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2011, 11:49:58 PM
Calipari and Calhoun have have been caught cheating or did I miss something? You think Lew Alcindor and the good
years with Sam Gilbert or maybe even Herb Kohl for Al McGuire, if you think a bartender from New York was not a little
shady, if you think that it did not happen then you are dreaming. Rumors like this happen, ask Kentucky with the money
in the fed x package for Mills. Calipari has a bagman, and that is from a very reliable source. I do not know anything about
Oregon, but come on, Nike, you think they do not throw around a little money. 3 or 4 kids from Chi go there, do you think
they had Oregon on there mind when they were juniors? Rumors, maybe Auburn is clean in football or Ohio St.
Uh, Herb Kohl is a Badger Booster, so wonder why you connect him here to Al?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 05, 2011, 08:52:04 AM
Do you really think Calhoun is totally clean? If so, I will retrack my statement. Isn't he suspended for two games next year?
I don't think any coach is "totally clean." However there is a long way between "totally clean" and giving kids a "nice payday" to attend their institution.
Quote from: 6746jonesr on April 05, 2011, 08:56:57 AM
Uh, Herb Kohl is a Badger Booster, so wonder why you connect him here to Al?
Herb went to Wisconsin but no one who knew Al did not know that Herb and Al where
very good friends during that period. Herb was in Als inner circle of friends. Herb sort
of likes basketball.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 05, 2011, 09:06:12 AM
Herb went to Wisconsin but no one who knew Al did not know that Herb and Al where
very good friends during that period. Herb was in Als inner circle of friends. Herb sort
of likes basketball.
This one confirms my suspicions, and establishes the groundlessness of your claims, and your utter ignorance and lack of personal knowledge. You've shot way too high and missed, and you should note that on this you are implicating a sitting member of congress--very serious stuff.
How McGuire went about recruiting, and succeeding with recruiting kids from NY and Chicago, had absolutely nothing to do with Herb Kohl. Please cease the athletic McCarthyism, assuming you're aware of the evils of internet publication of guilt by association...without personal knowledge and facts its actionable, as libel. I invite your retraction, or for Kohl to read this, and to pursue this.
Calipari utilizes World Wide Wes in every way possible....he's practically an employee....he was seen at Final Four practice sporting a UK sweatshirt.
WWW also creates "situations" where big name rappers and NBA guys that are part of his stable "just happen" to be in places where UK recruits might be, then continues these "meetings" once they are part of the UK team. He's created a certain culture that surrounds the entire UK program...kids without strong parental involvement in the process fall for it hook, line and sinker. Then there are the parents with their hands out....and the guys who call themselves "trainers"...who direct kids to specific programs.
Much of the AAU circuit is a cesspool and there are only a few big name coaches who refuse to have anything to so with kids who have "handlers" like John Wall did.
Sadly, it's also starting to creep into college football...the "trainer" from Texas that is being investigated right now regarding Oregon and other programs and there's also a guy in NC who was involved with four 4 and 5 star kids from same area who ended up at Cal last year.....then the guy moves from rural western NC to Northern Cali ....??
I'll be honest with you texaswarrior...not of that stuff really bothers me all that much. Let's face it, if it weren't for the fact that they play basketball, a number of our current players wouldn't be admitted to Marquette. It's all just different shades of gray...some are willing to sell out more than others, but everyone in Division 1 sells out to a degree.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 05, 2011, 11:19:18 AM
I'll be honest with you texaswarrior...not of that stuff really bothers me all that much. Let's face it, if it weren't for the fact that they play basketball, a number of our current players wouldn't be admitted to Marquette. It's all just different shades of gray...some are willing to sell out more than others, but everyone in Division 1 sells out to a degree.
I agree totally, it is what it is. There are many grey areas in recruiting, now did Tom Crean just get 4 HS All-Americans out of Indiana.
There is always a question mark.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on April 05, 2011, 11:15:50 AM
Calipari utilizes World Wide Wes in every way possible....he's practically an employee....he was seen at Final Four practice sporting a UK sweatshirt.
WWW also creates "situations" where big name rappers and NBA guys that are part of his stable "just happen" to be in places where UK recruits might be, then continues these "meetings" once they are part of the UK team. He's created a certain culture that surrounds the entire UK program...kids without strong parental involvement in the process fall for it hook, line and sinker. Then there are the parents with their hands out....and the guys who call themselves "trainers"...who direct kids to specific programs.
Much of the AAU circuit is a cesspool and there are only a few big name coaches who refuse to have anything to so with kids who have "handlers" like John Wall did.
Sadly, it's also starting to creep into college football...the "trainer" from Texas that is being investigated right now regarding Oregon and other programs and there's also a guy in NC who was involved with four 4 and 5 star kids from same area who ended up at Cal last year.....then the guy moves from rural western NC to Northern Cali ....??
A UK sweatshirt? Heavens no. Kids with no fathers who grew borderline homeless, turning to someone who may put them in (legal) situations, and get them connected (legally and within rules) to help them and their families rich beyond their dreams, playing a game they love and invested tens of thousands of hours in. Heavens no.
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Quote from: houwarrior on April 05, 2011, 10:47:23 AM
This one confirms my suspicions, and establishes the groundlessness of your claims, and your utter ignorance and lack of personal knowledge. You've shot way too high and missed, and you should note that on this you are implicating a sitting member of congress--very serious stuff.
How McGuire went about recruiting, and succeeding with recruiting kids from NY and Chicago, had absolutely nothing to do with Herb Kohl. Please cease the athletic McCarthyism, assuming you're aware of the evils of internet publication of guilt by association...without personal knowledge and facts its actionable, as libel. I invite your retraction, or for Kohl to read this, and to pursue this.
Maybe I am right, Maybe I am wrong during that period, lack of knowledge, no, I have knowledge, alumni and good
friends can be friends of the program. I will say this about one recruit, Sam Bowie. MU did not get him, he visited
2 schools, the other Kentucky.
http://www.tompenders.com/deadcoachwalking.html
Well if you want to hear some inside college basketball stuff you can read about from a former college coach, Tom Penders in his new book.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 05, 2011, 11:39:06 AM
Maybe I am right, Maybe I am wrong during that period, lack of knowledge, no, I have knowledge, alumni and good
friends can be friends of the program. I will say this about one recruit, Sam Bowie. MU did not get him, he visited
2 schools, the other Kentucky.
What does this even mean. Take a little extra meth this AM?
Quote from: reinko on April 05, 2011, 11:41:59 AM
What does this even mean. Take a little extra meth this AM?
Yeah, that is a little random.
But I will say this about one recruit, Joe Wolf. MU did not get him, he visited 2 schools, the other North Carolina.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 05, 2011, 11:39:06 AM
Maybe I am right, Maybe I am wrong during that period, lack of knowledge, no, I have knowledge, alumni and good
friends can be friends of the program. I will say this about one recruit, Sam Bowie. MU did not get him, he visited
2 schools, the other Kentucky.
I am really enjoying your random
use of the Return key. Paragraph break? don't mind
if I do.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on April 05, 2011, 12:14:57 PM
use of the Return key. Paragraph break? don't mind
if I do.
Nice.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on April 05, 2011, 12:14:57 PM
I am really enjoying your random
use of the Return key. Paragraph break? don't mind
if I do.
Never learned anything at college, stated earlier I was probably on meth, the business school
school did not help my writing skills, oh well.
Quote from: reinko on April 05, 2011, 11:28:51 AM
A UK sweatshirt? Heavens no. Kids with no fathers who grew borderline homeless, turning to someone who may put them in (legal) situations, and get them connected (legally and within rules) to help them and their families rich beyond their dreams, playing a game they love and invested tens of thousands of hours in. Heavens no.
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Reinko,
I won't go as far as BCHoopster, but you don't think WWW is just helping poor unfortunate kids, do you?
He probably is helping poor kids, just happens they are great
ballplayers!
Quote from: ringout on April 05, 2011, 12:53:34 PM
Reinko,
I won't go as far as BCHoopster, but you don't think WWW is just helping poor unfortunate kids, do you?
Of course not, I am not that naive. He is helping himself first and foremost, but as a by-product, he is having a direct impact on many of these kids. Yes.
If he could make millions of dollars setting up tutoring camps and helping kids get academic scholarships to college, by introducing them to admissions officer, deans, I imagine he would explore that too.
WWW is about himself first (from everything I have read), but you can't argue, because the field he is in, he will continue to have to dramatic (hopefully, largely positive) impacts on the lives of young men, who predominantly grew up in single parent and low income households.
Quote from: reinko on April 05, 2011, 01:06:47 PM
Of course not, I am not that naive. He is helping himself first and foremost, but as a by-product, he is having a direct impact on many of these kids. Yes.
If he could make millions of dollars setting up tutoring camps and helping kids get academic scholarships to college, by introducing them to admissions officer, deans, I imagine he would explore that too.
WWW is about himself first (from everything I have read), but you can't argue, because the field he is in, he will continue to have to dramatic (hopefully, largely positive) impacts on the lives of young men, who predominantly grew up in single parent and low income households.
Cool. Did not want to assume either way. I could have worded it coming from the positive I suppose.
Not sure if he thinks of positive impact, but I am getting cynical in my old age. Maybe he does.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 05, 2011, 08:35:37 AM
Do you think they paid that one kid from Racine to go to Oregon too? What ever happened to him??
I heard that he got an offer for double the money from elsewhere.
I might be way off the charts here...but I say who cares? Pay these kids (or give them gifts). They work extremely hard and make ridiculous amounts of money for their schools.
If bball players don't have time to get jobs during school, why shouldn't they get paid for their hard work?
Quote from: kryza on April 05, 2011, 04:01:00 PM
I might be way off the charts here...but I say who cares? Pay these kids (or give them gifts). They work extremely hard and make ridiculous amounts of money for their schools.
If bball players don't have time to get jobs during school, why shouldn't they get paid for their hard work?
They do get paid .... with a college education, related expenses (i.e. fees and books), housing, meals, top-notch professional training and health care worth well into the six figures over four years.
Yes, some do make money for their schools. And for the most part, that money goes to fund other athletics programs that are federally mandated, but are huge financial drains on the schools. Even with football and basketball money, the large majority of athletic departments operate in the red.
Then there's the little matter of Title IX which, chances are, would mean that if schools start paying men's basketball players $1,000 a month, they'd have to do the same for the girl's soccer team, the field hockey team, the wrestlers, etc. Which, for obvious reasons, would be unsustainable at 95 percent of the programs out there.
I heard that Marquette offered JP Tokoto a lifetime pass at Angelo's and after they closed he decided on North Carolina. Its a dirty dirty business. (college basketball....not Angelo's)
Quote from: kryza on April 05, 2011, 04:01:00 PM
I might be way off the charts here...but I say who cares? Pay these kids (or give them gifts). They work extremely hard and make ridiculous amounts of money for their schools.
If bball players don't have time to get jobs during school, why shouldn't they get paid for their hard work?
Or, get rid of the NBA rule stating you must be one year out of high school. Then they are more than welcome to pursue a paid carreer. Even now they are free to go to Europe and earn money. No one has a gun to their head making them go to schoool for a year.