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I guess the question really is are we looking for someone next year (Juco transfer), the year after (transfer) or someone that could develop down the road (3-star HS kid).

Given Buzz's track record, I voted Juco.

Voted juco cause a 4 star PF/C was not on the list

Quote from: chren21 on March 27, 2011, 11:01:57 AM
Voted juco cause a 4 star PF/C was not on the list

That why I left 4-star and 5-star HS kids off the list, then it is obvious you take them.  Also not many 4-star and 5-star HS kids are left for next year.

So if the question was:

PF/C 3-star HS kid
PF/C Butler/Crowder/DJO type Juco
PF/C Proven D1 transfer

Would you vote the same?

Why are leading the witness with your poll questions?  This is called a Push Pull Poll.

3 star HS?  Why not put a 4 star HS player as an option?  Of course with your answers you'll answer JUCO because you've limited the other choices.

Let's see, would you prefer today to die by drowning, die by heart attack or sit on the beach drinking a margarita?  Discuss

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2011, 11:06:30 AM
Why are leading the witness with your poll questions?  This is called a Push Pull Poll.

3 star HS?  Why not put a 4 star HS player as an option?  Of course with your answers you'll answer JUCO because you've limited the other choices.

Let's see, would you prefer today to die by drowning, die by heart attack or sit on the beach drinking a margarita?  Discuss

heart attack from banging too many bitches

My preference would be for a PF/C type, I don't care as much where they come from.  First choice would be a highly rated HS player looking for a new home after a coaching change.  Second choice would be a Juco player that could make an immediate impact.  Third choice would be a transfer from another school.  Fourth choice would be a 3-star project type HS kid we could possibly red-shirt and give time to develop.

If a 4 star PF/C is not available, then save the schollie for next year when MU only has two.

Quote from: Litehouse on March 27, 2011, 11:08:39 AM
My preference would be for a PF/C type, I don't care as much where they come from.  First choice would be a highly rated HS player looking for a new home after a coaching change.  Second choice would be a Juco player that could make an immediate impact.  Third choice would be a transfer from another school.  Fourth choice would be a 3-star project type HS kid we could possibly red-shirt and give time to develop.

This. Or, just take the best available player, where ever that may come from. I do like the idea of a highly rated player changing his mind last minute with coaching changes. Or even a transfer...there doesn't appear to be a whole lot of open playing time, so maybe a transfer would be best to keep the players who do have happy.

A PF does appear to big this teams biggest need. But, we haven't really had a power forward for the past three years...Lazar being the closest. But he was always considered undersized as well.

Quote from: nyg on March 27, 2011, 11:09:44 AM
If a 4 star PF/C is not available, then save the schollie for next year when MU only has two.

Never ever ever bank a schollie.  Did I say ever?

Too many transfers in today's game.  Injury is also a possibility (see the year Diener went down).

Now I'm not saying take the next Carlton Christian but if anyone that might be considered BE material is available, take them.

There is an option missing.  With the coaching carousel going on right now, there may be someone wanting out of their NLI.  That would be my top choice.

I want GOD'S GIFT ACHIUWA. Hopefully academics are not his shortcoming.

How about best available Highschool player or 3 star JUCO.

I'm of the opinion that I'd rather have another really good player at some position we don't need than some big who is gonna sit on the bench because he's probably only a mid-major player given the opportunity to play high-major due to his height.

I would stay away from JUCOs to keep the classes balanced.  a JUCO coming in as a junior would be in the same class with junior, otule, and williams, so we dont need another big in the class.  if it was a three year JUCO, a la butler and djo, theyd be in the same class as davante, vander, jamail, jamil,and singleton. 

ideally, I would love us to get a current junior with a fired coach that can play immediately, if that would be possible.  that would give us the added senior presence for next year and a proven player, along with opening up an extra schollie for the following year so we can grab a big AND a guard to go along with ferguson

Quote from: ODMU238 on March 27, 2011, 12:22:07 PM
I would stay away from JUCOs to keep the classes balanced.  a JUCO coming in as a junior would be in the same class with junior, otule, and williams, so we dont need another big in the class.  if it was a three year JUCO, a la butler and djo, theyd be in the same class as davante, vander, jamail, jamil,and singleton. 

ideally, I would love us to get a current junior with a fired coach that can play immediately, if that would be possible.  that would give us the added senior presence for next year and a proven player, along with opening up an extra schollie for the following year so we can grab a big AND a guard to go along with ferguson

Singleton will be a junior, if I am not mistaken.

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 27, 2011, 12:31:27 PM
Singleton will be a junior, if I am not mistaken.

He will be a redshirt sophomore.

a quick look at teams with no coaches brought up these names as juniors:

iman shumpert GT (didn't we go after him pretty hard?)
kim english or ricardo ratliffe or pretty much anyone from Mizzou

im not totally familiar with transfer rules when coaches bolt or get axed, but it would be awesome to snag a player like one of those guys

With one scholarship left in 2011 and one left in 2012, I would like one to be a project (or as good as possible) big man.  The other would ideally be a four star PG.  Transfer or JUCO or Freshman doesn't matter to me.  Just need.

I am a little uncomfortable with only 2 PGs next year.  Hopefully Blue (or Wilson or Anderson) can play some point.  You always want to have that third guy in case of an emergency.

We also need to keep developing bigs.  Next year we only have 2 bigs and Crowder as the emergency center.  I'd rather see another one, even if he redshirts.

Let's recruit need to go around all these four star switchables.

Then, I'd like to see the big pay off in 2013 with a stud class from Buzz now that he is proven and hopefully shows that he is staying for all but Texas or Kansas.  Hopefully Buzz can finally land one or two five stars.

Quote from: MUMac on March 27, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
He will be a redshirt sophomore.

You sure? He played two full seasons at High Point. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=42017 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=42017)

Quote from: MUMac on March 27, 2011, 12:32:21 PM
He will be a redshirt sophomore.

Nope, he'll be a junior.

How about "none of the above"? I want a ball-handler, ideally a JUCO sophomore point, TJ Taylor if he can be had.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 27, 2011, 12:54:11 PM
Nope, he'll be a junior.

How about "none of the above"? I want a ball-handler, ideally a JUCO sophomore point, TJ Taylor if he can be had.

Yep, my bad.  I was looking at an older roster of High Points and thought it was from last year. 

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 27, 2011, 12:54:11 PM
Nope, he'll be a junior.

How about "none of the above"? I want a ball-handler, ideally a JUCO sophomore point, TJ Taylor if he can be had.

Why the fascination with a PG?  We will have a good junior and a frosh.  Along with a not your typical walk on...

JUCO kid all day long.

Quote from: chren21 on March 27, 2011, 01:05:53 PMWhy the fascination with a PG?  We will have a good junior and a frosh.  Along with a not your typical walk on...

I'm of the opinion that guard play is what wins at this level. Bigs help, but we've succeeded without standout bigs. I think that we're probably about as well off as we were when we had Jackson and Merritt, but Otule and Gardner have 2 more years together. I remember what we looked like when Diener went down. I remember how we went from a top-10 team, outside title contender to a 6-seed overnight when James went out. What if Cadougan goes down? He has some injury history, and I don't like the idea of turning the point over to Blue, a natural 2, and Wilson, an unproven freshman. Not that another body would be a guarantee, but I'd rather hedge my bets there. If Otule goes down, I think Gardner will be able to handle 20 mpg next year, and Williams and Crowder can fill the gaps.

Bottom line, we've been good without bigs before. But we don't succeed without guard play. I'd rather protect ourselves there. In addition, we are in on guys like Shaquille Cleare and Jarnell Stokes, both top-25 consensus big men, in 2012. We have a top-100 Milwaukee native in Phillip Nolan. There are more bigs on our radar next year. I say go for point now and get the big man next year. Just my opinion, but I hate the idea of not having enough ball-handling options.

We need a point guard that can score. The days of PG playing good D and getting assists only are gone. I like Jr. but he is a liability on O if paired with O'Toule and Blue. Cannot have 60% of players on the court incapable of scoring.

Quote from: Goose on March 27, 2011, 01:20:10 PM
We need a point guard that can score. The days of PG playing good and getting assists only are gone. I like Jr. but he is a liability on O if paired with O'Toule and Blue. Cannot have 60% of players on the court incapable of scoring.

TJ Taylor would be a sophomore JUCO transfer dream come true. I'm just not sure if he's eligible to transfer this year or next. I'm really hoping we hear from someone like BJ Young, Chris Jones, or Jordan Green, all of whom are high-level point guards that originally committed to schools that have gone through coaching changes. 5-star BJ Young would be the biggest prize.

I wouldn't even mind getting a big man this year and TJ Taylor next year.  DJO and Blue can probably handle the ball in an absolute emergency. 

Though getting Taylor at any point would be huge.

Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 27, 2011, 01:50:23 PM
I wouldn't even mind getting a big man this year and TJ Taylor next year.  DJO and Blue can probably handle the ball in an absolute emergency. 

Though getting Taylor at any point would be huge.

Blue I could see, I don't want DJO running the point. He's the kind of guy who wouldn't pass if he was going 85 in a 25, he'd just drive in for contact. No way do I want him running the offense. My best case scenario would be BJ Young this year (if he decommits from Arkansas) and Jarnell Stokes next year. If we could pull that off, I'd be expecting a Final Four by no later than 2014.

Quote from: Goose on March 27, 2011, 01:20:10 PM
We need a point guard that can score. The days of PG playing good D and getting assists only are gone. I like Jr. but he is a liability on O if paired with O'Toule and Blue. Cannot have 60% of players on the court incapable of scoring.

Disagree that it is imperative that a PG must be a scorer. Having said that, Jr. should average 8 to 10 points per game next year, and at minimum 6 assists per game. Let the others score: DJO 18ppg; Crowder 13plus; Wilson 10; Otule/Gardnner 12-14; bench 15. That gives us about 78 per game.

Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2011, 01:56:39 PM
Disagree that it is imperative that a PG must be a scorer. Having said that, Jr. should average 8 to 10 points per game next year, and at minimum 6 assists per game. Let the others score: DJO 18ppg; Crowder 13plus; Wilson 10; Otule/Gardnner 12-14; bench 15. That gives us about 78 per game.

Agreed. All Junior needs to do is develop a 12 foot jumper to go along with his current driving ability to keep the defenses honest. And of that bench, I expect 10-12 of that to be Blue. Though with Williams and Jones also on the bench, I think we'll have plenty of scoring.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 27, 2011, 01:55:34 PM
Blue I could see, I don't want DJO running the point. He's the kind of guy who wouldn't pass if he was going 85 in a 25, he'd just drive in for contact. No way do I want him running the offense. My best case scenario would be BJ Young this year (if he decommits from Arkansas) and Jarnell Stokes next year. If we could pull that off, I'd be expecting a Final Four by no later than 2014.

Stokes definitely works for me!  That would be a new level of recruit for us.

I think Buzz should focus on surrounding the core of Blue, Wilson, Cadougan, Anderson, and Jones with complementary players.  Mayo might be the shooter off the bench we need.  Another PG and another big would add depth to make sure those core guys can do their thing.  Those core guys are Buzz's first true group and it be great if we have a full balanced team around them.

Willie--Agreed on PG scoring. As season progressed Jr. looked more confident and agressive. My point only is that he has to be able to pull the trigger when opportunity presents itself.

If we can't get a stud 6'9" enforcer (which is probable) than I'm all about TJ Taylor.  Dude has a smooth lefty j.  Need shooting.  Have slashers.