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Title: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: willie wampum on March 18, 2011, 10:38:20 PM
The Big East certainly is not distinguishing itself, and I would imagine the sniping will begin soon.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: KipsBayEagle on March 18, 2011, 10:41:47 PM
It already has if you go to any general college basketball board on the web.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: GoMarquette32 on March 18, 2011, 10:42:40 PM
Gtown is getting jobbed
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: babytownfrolics on March 18, 2011, 10:44:06 PM
If cuse wins big east goes 7-4 in 1st round.

At least 2 teams will make sweet 16.

Overrated my ass.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: Wisco on March 18, 2011, 10:46:58 PM
After Marquette, VCU is my 2nd favorite team. I've been cheering for them ever since I moved to Richmond.

I definitely don't mind them taking out Georgetown!
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: CrimsonNCrean on March 18, 2011, 10:49:21 PM
Quote from: babytownfrolics on March 18, 2011, 10:44:06 PM
If cuse wins big east goes 7-4 in 1st round.

At least 2 teams will make sweet 16.

Overrated my ass.

I agree, not a bad first round at all.... 
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: Norm on March 18, 2011, 10:51:13 PM
It's all matchups. If St. John's was able to play Tennessee and Georgetown was able to play UNLV, then the Big East would have two more wins. The Big Ten got some real favorable draws in the first round.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: timinatorx3 on March 18, 2011, 10:52:02 PM
That's just one reason tonight was huge, it showed just how well the 11th best team in the conference stacks up to the rest of the national college basketball scene outside the BE. X is a good team that got handled fairly easily.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: chren21 on March 18, 2011, 10:58:44 PM
Quote from: ssnakes9 on March 18, 2011, 10:46:58 PM
After Marquette, VCU is my 2nd favorite team. I've been cheering for them ever since I moved to Richmond.

I definitely don't mind them taking out Georgetown!

Just priced a hotel job in Richmond on 4th and Cary. 
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: WarriorHal on March 18, 2011, 11:01:47 PM
Nova and Gtown both fell apart and started losing a few weeks ago, so today's results aren't all that surprising. Not sure what happened to Nova. Gtown's pt. guard Chris Wright broke a hand and missed several games. He's playing tonight but has to be far from 100%.

If anything, I'd say the Colonial Athletic was under-rated this season. GM & VCU are good.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: HouWarrior on March 18, 2011, 11:01:58 PM
Quote from: babytownfrolics on March 18, 2011, 10:44:06 PM
If cuse wins big east goes 7-4 in 1st round.

At least 2 teams will make sweet 16.

Overrated my ass.
We had 11(17.2%) of the 64 team field
As we automatically have 2 in the 16, with a cuse win (12.5%), very possible wins by 2ND, and 1Pitt will jump us to 25% in Sw16-- very doable, and a good result...even if Sir MouthChuck is right on his claim of BE getting less than 5 in (this depends on WVU/UK, of course--did you see Princeton game?...hmm)
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: TheFarEastMovement on March 18, 2011, 11:03:02 PM
Is this going to cost John Thompson III his job? This will be two years in a row where they will be exiting early. It is either that the Big East is overrated or the tough conference schedule that burns out these teams when it comes to march madness.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 18, 2011, 11:07:40 PM
Quote from: MUgyros08 on March 18, 2011, 11:01:03 PM
So does this win over Xavier finally make us a lock? ?-(

No

See this thread

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=23161.msg255871

It was the poll in early January.

Posters were SCREAMING we needed a minimum of 12 BE wins to get in.  (I won't name them, you can click on the link and see for yourself)

So far we have 11 ... 9 regular season and 2 in the BE tourney.

Number 12 could be Sunday against Syracuse.  If we win that game, only then would be a lock.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: DCWarriors04 on March 18, 2011, 11:10:53 PM
JTIII has had one good tourney run I think...Sweet 16 (4 years ago when they then lost to Davidson), but since then has lost in the first round of the NIT to Baylor and then been bounced early by Ohio and VCU.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: WarriorHal on March 18, 2011, 11:16:22 PM
Quote from: TheFarEastMovement on March 18, 2011, 11:03:02 PM
Is this going to cost John Thompson III his job?

No, he's safe.

Without a healthy Chris Wright, they're not a good team offensively. Haven't won a game since he got hurt.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: LAZER on March 18, 2011, 11:36:45 PM
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on March 18, 2011, 11:10:53 PM
JTIII has had one good tourney run I think...Sweet 16 (4 years ago when they then lost to Davidson), but since then has lost in the first round of the NIT to Baylor and then been bounced early by Ohio and VCU.

Um...2007 Final Four??
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: mugrack on March 18, 2011, 11:56:27 PM
Milk dud head says Big Easr overrated on pre game
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: 77ncaachamps on March 19, 2011, 12:01:34 AM
By my count,

7 BE
5 B10
3 ACC
3 Pac10
3 B12
2 SEC
2 A10

still survive.

Unfortunately, MU/Cuse and Cincy/UCONN matchups will hurt the BE's chances and skew the argument in favor of the BE critics. Moreover, Nova losing by a few, a strong SJ team getting pasted, a Loserville team underperforming in a loss, and Gtown not being able to put things together weakened the Big East's "dominance" per se.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 19, 2011, 12:07:55 AM
Quote from: TheFarEastMovement on March 18, 2011, 11:03:02 PM
Is this going to cost John Thompson III his job? This will be two years in a row where they will be exiting early. It is either that the Big East is overrated or the tough conference schedule that burns out these teams when it comes to march madness.


bahahahahahahhahaahahhahahahahahahahha.

2nd funniest thing I have read all night!

Edit: sorry, I may as well be fair on this one.

His father John Thompson Jr. is a EFFING LEGEND, and probably my second favorite NCAA coach of all time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thompson_Jr

Time to read up kids.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 12:09:52 AM
Big East doing ok so far, not great, not bad.  Too early to tell.  Big Ten is 5-2 and has the best % in the tournament thus far, but a lot of golf left.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: 77ncaachamps on March 19, 2011, 12:16:54 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 12:09:52 AM
Big East doing ok so far, not great, not bad.  Too early to tell.  Big Ten is 5-2 and has the best % in the tournament thus far, but a lot of golf left.


Illinois is going down to KU, and Michigan down to Duke. WI, Purdue, and Ohio State - the cream of the B10 - will advance.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 19, 2011, 12:18:00 AM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 19, 2011, 12:16:54 AM
Illinois is going down to KU, and Michigan down to Duke. WI, Purdue, and Ohio State - the cream of the B10 - will advance.

I don't have faith in Purdue being a man down.   I think it is curtains for them on Sunday.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: redddog13 on March 19, 2011, 12:25:52 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 12:09:52 AM
Big East doing ok so far, not great, not bad.  Too early to tell.  Big Ten is 5-2 and has the best % in the tournament thus far, but a lot of golf left.


How many BEAST teams will the little 11 have beaten at the end of the day sunday.  0.

Lil 11 will be lucky to have 2 teams left in the tourney at that point also.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 12:31:48 AM
Quote from: redddog13 on March 19, 2011, 12:25:52 AM
How many BEAST teams will the little 11 have beaten at the end of the day sunday.  0.

Lil 11 will be lucky to have 2 teams left in the tourney at that point also.

I learned long ago that the tournament does crazy things and I'm not going to count any chickens until they've hatched.

Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 12:40:58 AM
As some of the A-10 fans have said tonight

With seeds

1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 9, 11

Anything less than 7 wins would be a complete embarrassment.  By seeding, we should have been 9-2.  We're 7-4 and the 11 seed had to pull that through for the conference.

A lot of golf left, but the conference needs to play better than it did.  The Nova and Ville games were there to be won.  G'Town was brutal and SJU not the same after they lost a key player.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 12:45:51 AM
Quote from: redddog13 on March 19, 2011, 12:36:55 AM
Bull fooking crap lol.  Your post was nothing more than a stir the pot that the little 11 is doing better than the BEAST after round 2.

::)

5-2 is .715%
7-4 is .636%

(for that matter, the ACC is 4-1 at .800 so far)

Not sure how presenting facts are stirring the pot.  I clearly said there is a lot of bball to be played.  So far, the Big Ten is doing the best, especially when their seeds were

1, 3, 4, 8, 9, 10, 10

They should have gone 4-3 but went 5-2

Our seeds should have had us at 9-2 but we went 7-4

Not much to argue with, fortunately there is ton of basketball left and the Big Ten clearly has the team that is probably the best in the field, doesn't mean they'll win it all, but the odds are in their favor.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: redddog13 on March 19, 2011, 12:46:31 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 12:40:58 AM
As some of the A-10 fans have said tonight

With seeds

1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 9, 11

Anything less than 7 wins would be a complete embarrassment.  By seeding, we should have been 9-2.  We're 7-4 and the 11 seed had to pull that through for the conference.

A lot of golf left, but the conference needs to play better than it did.  The Nova and Ville games were there to be won.  G'Town was brutal and SJU not the same after they lost a key player.

Should have been 9-2? lulz.    6 of the seeds are very vulnerable draws where an upset would not be all that out of the ordinary.

You're goof.   No getting away  around it.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 12:50:20 AM
Quote from: redddog13 on March 19, 2011, 12:46:31 AM
Should have been 9-2? lulz.    6 of the seeds are very vulnerable draws where an upset would not be all that out of the ordinary.

You're goof.   No getting away  around it.

Ken Pom Ratings said we should have been 10-0 with 1 game at 50-50 (George Mason and Nova)

Ken Pom...no way getting around it...he's a goof.   ::)

Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: redddog13 on March 19, 2011, 12:51:55 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 12:45:51 AM
::)

5-2 is .715%
7-4 is .636%

(for that matter, the ACC is 4-1 at .800 so far)

Not sure how presenting facts are stirring the pot.  I clearly said there is a lot of bball to be played.  So far, the Big Ten is doing the best, especially when their seeds were

What's the % if the BEAST wins one more game?    Two can spin your BS.

1, 3, 4, 8, 9, 10, 10

They should have gone 4-3 but went 5-2

Our seeds should have had us at 9-2 but we went 7-4

Not much to argue with, fortunately there is ton of basketball left and the Big Ten clearly has the team that is probably the best in the field, doesn't mean they'll win it all, but the odds are in their favor.

Should...   wow the little 11 won two 8/9 games and pulled one upset with a 10 seed against a lost TN team..   Give it up you goof.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: Norm on March 19, 2011, 12:54:47 AM
Chicos,

As you have argued before, its all matchups. The Big Ten teams got very favorable matchups in the first round. As I said earlier, if UNLV and Tennessee were swapped for VCU and George Mason, my bet is that the Big Ten would be 3-4 and the Big East would be 9-2.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: GGGG on March 19, 2011, 04:29:36 AM
Reddog...Chicos pretty much owned you here.  If you are going to counter, might as well bring some facts to the table.

I would say after round one, that the BE has been mediocre.  If they get four or five to the Sweet 16, which is completely doable, than I would feel that they are back on top after week one.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 09:44:24 AM
Quote from: Norm on March 19, 2011, 12:54:47 AM
Chicos,

As you have argued before, its all matchups. The Big Ten teams got very favorable matchups in the first round. As I said earlier, if UNLV and Tennessee were swapped for VCU and George Mason, my bet is that the Big Ten would be 3-4 and the Big East would be 9-2.

Absolutely agree that matchups are what it's all about.  Doesn't change that Ken Pom had the conference 10-0 in predictions ane 50-50 game.  So far the conference has done ok but others are doing better.  So far....
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: brewcity77 on March 19, 2011, 09:50:26 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 19, 2011, 04:29:36 AMReddog...Chicos pretty much owned you here.  If you are going to counter, might as well bring some facts to the table.

I would say after round one, that the BE has been mediocre.  If they get four or five to the Sweet 16, which is completely doable, than I would feel that they are back on top after week one.

+1

When you resort to name-calling, it's safe to say you lost the argument.

I was expecting a bit better from the Big East. I had us at 9-2 (SJU and WVU losing) and frankly it's more than a bit disappointing to see Loserville and 'Nova throw away leads. Glad it happened to someone other than us, but still, those games had to be won. On the plus side, we're guaranteed two teams in the Sweet 16, and I really expect Pitt and ND should join them as top-2 seeds. WVU I expect to lose today, but largely because I believe they were a bit overseeded and UK was a bit underseeded. Here's hoping for 5 Big East teams (including MU) in the Sweet 16, but at this point, anything less than 4 and all the critics will be right.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: MUFC9295 on March 19, 2011, 10:32:45 AM
Quote from: ssnakes9 on March 18, 2011, 10:46:58 PM
After Marquette, VCU is my 2nd favorite team. I've been cheering for them ever since I moved to Richmond.

I definitely don't mind them taking out Georgetown!

I watched VCU versus Georgetown at the UC.  Their fans and band were incredibly fun and almost as entertaining as their team.  I can see how their bandwagon might soon run out of seats.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: tower912 on March 19, 2011, 11:13:42 AM
3 of the 4 BEast losers had major losses, Kennedy for SJU, Knowles for L-ville, Wright ineffective for G-town.    And while the haters will say 'excuses', were we the same team with Jerel out or James playing on one foot?    Not every team is set up to overcome losses of key players at this time of year.   Villanova just continued their late season death spiral.   
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: tower912 on March 19, 2011, 11:13:42 AM
3 of the 4 BEast losers had major losses, Kennedy for SJU, Knowles for L-ville, Wright ineffective for G-town.    And while the haters will say 'excuses', were we the same team with Jerel out or James playing on one foot?    Not every team is set up to overcome losses of key players at this time of year.   Villanova just continued their late season death spiral.   

Look how many of our own fans crapped on MU for the MSU game, despite that injury to McNeal.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: tower912 on March 19, 2011, 11:33:02 AM
So?    Some of our fans are sometimes irrational.   
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: Marquette84 on March 19, 2011, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: redddog13 on March 19, 2011, 12:46:31 AM
Should have been 9-2? lulz.    6 of the seeds are very vulnerable draws where an upset would not be all that out of the ordinary.

Not only do I disagree that six of the draws were "very vulnerable.", I think our lowest seeds were given extremely favorable draws.

Pitt, ND, Syracuse, UConn and Louisvlle all drew automatic qualifiers--and almost by definition were not 'very vulnerable.'   Find me even one person who thought that Morehead State was given much of a shot at beating Louisville--no less claiming that UL was "very vulnerable" to them.  Ditto with Akron, Bucknell, Indiana State, and UNC-Ashville.  Suggesting that any of these made the Big East team "very vulnerable" can't be supported.

St. Johns, WVU, and Cincy all had beatable opponents--none of the presented any particular peril for the BE team.  IN St. Johns and Gonzaga, we saw both teams--can't say I saw anything out of GU that would make me think that St. JOhns was "very vulnerable".  WVU got Clemson--a team that was only one game over .500 in conference, and really had no truly impressive wins--certainly nothing like WVU's wins over ND or Purdue.  Missouri was just .500 in the B12, and was on a 4 out of loss clip.

That brings us to the three that might possibly

Villanova--guard oriented team, and managed to draw one of the shortest teams in NCAA (#289 in effective height).  You could say that Villanova was vulnerable because of their end-of-year collapse--but the draw should have been about as favorable for them as you could get--probably the easiest 8 seed.

Georgetown--Drew a team that most felt shouldn't have even been in the tourney!  Talk about a gift for a team reeling since the loss of Wright.

MU-- got a team that plays typically 7 deep and can't hit 3 pointers.


Sorry, but I don't think the draw made six big east teams "very vulnerable".  I think it was about as favorable as one could ask--especially for Villanova, MU and Georgetown.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: jsglow on March 19, 2011, 03:21:41 PM
I think that the conference gets a B- so far through the early exams, but mid terms and finals are yet to come.  Long way to go.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 19, 2011, 03:38:49 PM
WV loss has conf grade dropping.  Will force me to cheer for ND tomorrow. Ugh.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: jmayer1 on March 19, 2011, 03:42:16 PM
As Tower stated, G-Town and SJU both dealt with major injuries. Neither of those teams was at full strength and I think a lot of people had those teams getting upset.  Nova has been absolutely terrible so it's no surprise they lost.  Obviously I didn't think Louisville was going to lose to a 13 seed, but deep down I didn't think MU was going to beat Xavier, let alone handle them easily.  So, at the end of the day, the BE's record in the round of 64 was exactly what I thought it was going to be. Good, but not great, showing thus far by the BE.
Title: Re: VCU destroying Georgetown...Big East overrated?
Post by: chren21 on March 19, 2011, 04:05:54 PM
Now the BE gets screwed with 2 BE games.  Need to have PITT and ND win for sure.
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