Joke. They used RPI too much.
We lost 14 games. I'm just glad we are in.
Scary thought...
Did I read it correctly that we were the last "bye team" in?
Correct
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 13, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
Joke. They used RPI too much.
Weird...I read so much here how it's been "greatly de-emphasized" ;)
This thread should really be locked...
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 13, 2011, 05:44:44 PM
Correct
So if it was a 65 team field, we would have been the last at-large bid? Or second to last?
Did we have the most losses of the teams that made it in?
I'm glad to have a winnable first two games. Got to go to work but we've got a better than a punchers chance at the Sweet 16.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 13, 2011, 05:45:50 PM
Weird...I read so much here how it's been "greatly de-emphasized" ;)
This thread should really be locked...
Even though it may be de-emphasized, it's still pretty difficult to look past 14 losses.
I just saw the "Last 6 In" Graphic. They didn't say we were the last 6 at large teams, they said we were the last 6 with a bye. Also, they went strictly by the 11 seeds and the two 12's that got a bye. The last 6 in are all of the 12 seeds.
Also, that's a terrible way of judging it, as there are moves up and down in seeding to accommodate regular season matcups. This is not a determinative list, just a guess from the graphic department in my opinion.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 13, 2011, 06:08:30 PM
I just saw the "Last 6 In" Graphic. They didn't say we were the last 6 at large teams, they said we were the last 6 with a bye. Also, they went strictly by the 11 seeds and the two 12's that got a bye. The last 6 in are all of the 12 seeds.
Not correct. The first four teams on the list were the four "play in" teams, then came MU. We were the last non-bye team.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on March 13, 2011, 06:13:36 PM
Not correct. The first four teams on the list were the four "play in" teams, then came MU. We were the last non-bye team.
This is correct.
What a joke having MU as an 11 seed. Why play Duke, Gonzaga, Vandy when MU can play 3 cupcakes atthe BC since SOS doesn't matter this season.
How is Michigan a 8 seed or Florida a 2 seed? >:( >:(
Quote from: ChuckyChip on March 13, 2011, 06:13:36 PM
Not correct. The first four teams on the list were the four "play in" teams, then came MU. We were the last non-bye team.
Are we talking about the same graphic? I saw this on the post-selection show on ESPN, I missed the CBS graphic.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 13, 2011, 06:21:35 PM
Are we talking about the same graphic? I saw this on the post-selection show on ESPN, I missed the CBS graphic.
Both graphics were the same. The whole concept of the "first four" is that the last four at large teams have to play on Tuesday and Wednesday. So those teams were the lasr four in. MU was next.
Quote from: LastWarrior on March 13, 2011, 05:47:02 PM
Did we have the most losses of the teams that made it in?
I'm glad to have a winnable first two games. Got to go to work but we've got a better than a punchers chance at the Sweet 16.
Nope 5 (or 6?) teams had 14 losses...we got the worst seed of them all. Sorry, but that's some BS.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 13, 2011, 05:42:42 PM
Joke. They used RPI too much.
What is the joke? Our 14 losses? The lack of a quality non-conference win? Be happy we are in and hope we can win a game.
Quote from: mupanther on March 13, 2011, 06:17:56 PMWhat a joke having MU as an 11 seed. Why play Duke, Gonzaga, Vandy when MU can play 3 cupcakes atthe BC since SOS doesn't matter this season.
How is Michigan a 8 seed or Florida a 2 seed? >:( >:(
It does matter, and it matters a lot. It's what got us an 11 seed. Think of it like this. Say we play Duke and Centenary like we did. Duke's RPI is 4, Centenary's is 342.
So what's tougher, playing those two teams, or playing Memphis and Southern Methodist? My guess is Memphis and SMU are easier to get two wins, but look at the combined RPI. Memphis at 28, SMU at 206, an RPI average of 117, while the Duke/Centenary combo has an average of 173. As great as it is to play Duke, we would do a lot better by playing non-conference opponents who are in the 20-40 range of the RPI as our quality opponents and 150-225 range of the RPI as our cupcakes.
Watching Bracketology on ESPN2 and FWIW, ESPN has changed the title of this graphic to "Lowest Seeded at Large Teams".
Earlier in the evening it said "Last 6 In".
Wonder why the change? Maybe because they have no idea who the last 6 teams in are?
Jesus Christ! Who cares! We're going to need to beat somebody to make any noise. Might as well start as an 11, which is what George Mason was when they made the Final Four. We can beat X. I am not sure we can beat Syracuse again.
things that make me scratch my head:
George Mason, an 8?
Georgia, 10?
Michigan, 8?
Penn State, 10?
Butler, 8?
Old Dominion, 9?
MU, 11?
what kinda bubble was it anyway?
?-(
I am happy we are not an 8 or 9 and am in no way offended some "lesser" teams have the seed. Especially in this soft field, avoiding 1's & 2's are a pleasure. We can play against X and we have beat 'Cuse -- that's hope!
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 13, 2011, 08:09:22 PM
Watching Bracketology on ESPN2 and FWIW, ESPN has changed the title of this graphic to "Lowest Seeded at Large Teams".
Earlier in the evening it said "Last 6 In".
Wonder why the change? Maybe because they have no idea who the last 6 teams in are?
That's exactly what I saw, and what I took away from that graphic. It had the two 12 seeds that aren't in the play-in and all four 11 seeds. I think they were just guessing based on that info that we were the "last 6 to get a bye" when in reality there could have been a ton of shuffling to accommodate matchups. I could be wrong though and there could be some official list of "last 6 in" that I missed.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 13, 2011, 08:14:36 PM
Jesus Christ! Who cares! We're going to need to beat somebody to make any noise. Might as well start as an 11, which is what George Mason was when they made the Final Four. We can beat X. I am not sure we can beat Syracuse again.
Yes, I agree, we lucked out getting the 11 instead of the 8 or 9. If that means we were "disrespected" (which I don't think it does) then I'm glad we got disrespected! If anyone got screwed, it's Syracuse. They have to play a conference team in the 2nd (new 3rd) round that already beat them in the regular season. As a 3 seed! That's not right.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 13, 2011, 08:32:43 PM
That's exactly what I saw, and what I took away from that graphic. It had the two 12 seeds that aren't in the play-in and all four 11 seeds. I think they were just guessing based on that info that we were the "last 6 to get a bye" when in reality there could have been a ton of shuffling to accommodate matchups. I could be wrong though and there could be some official list of "last 6 in" that I missed.
Memphis, Richmond and Utah State were automatic qualifiers. The last 4 in were the two play-in games. One in the 12 seed and one in the 11. I believe we were the top 11 seed, thus were the 7th lowest at large.
The SC seemed to decide that if we have to take 11 Big East teams we are going to make some of them play each other early just in case.
I think they wanted to take any chance(as remote as it was) for 11 BE teams to make the sweet 16 out of the equation.
Time to play the games and see what happens.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 13, 2011, 08:29:39 PM
I am happy we are not an 8 or 9 and am in no way offended some "lesser" teams have the seed. Especially in this soft field, avoiding 1's & 2's are a pleasure. We can play against X and we have beat 'Cuse -- that's hope!
No kidding
It's baffling to me why some here are all pissed off by Marquette's 11 seed compared to say Michigan who got an 8 seed. Well, i sure wouldn't trade draws with Michigan.
Michigan has to first beat Tennessee who arguably would be as tough or close to as tough to beat as Xavier and then if Michigan can beat Tennessee, they are staring at a 2nd round matchup with Duke.
So for a few examples of a potential a path to the Sweet 16, would people rather likely have?
MU-- Xavier/Syracuse
Michigan-- Tennessee/Duke
Villanova-- George Mason/OSU
I'd gladly take our path even though Michigan and Nova were given higher seeds. So even though we easily could end up losing either of those two games, i'd like to thank the selection committee for the draw given to Marquette. Now it's just up to the players and coaches to try and make something of this draw.
Quote from: MUMac on March 13, 2011, 08:39:55 PM
Memphis, Richmond and Utah State were automatic qualifiers. The last 4 in were the two play-in games. One in the 12 seed and one in the 11. I believe we were the top 11 seed, thus were the 7th lowest at large.
Seems that way, but they can also change seed by a few spots if the want for matchup purposes. I tend to think that they moved us down a level to put us against SU because they wanted to ensure there wouldn't be 11 BE teams in the Sweet 16.
There's no way to really know which teams were last in before the play-in game teams.