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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Pakuni on March 08, 2011, 12:50:39 PM
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Looks like MU is pretty serious about this kid. And if he would really be the #1 player in Illinois next year, that's probably a good thing.
From the Bullseye Bros.
http://www.ilprepbullseye.com/Nader_Update.html
Ever since recently decommitting from the University Of New Mexico and reclassifying as a 2012 recruit, Abdel Nader has been playing as well as any high school basketball player in Illinois. It is for that reason, along with the enormous amount of natural talent that he possesses that the 6'7 forward from Niles North High School in Skokie, IL has become a huge recruiting priority for several high major programs.
Nader turned in yet another outstanding performance last night in the Class 4A regional final at Glenbrook North High School in Northbrook, IL leading Niles North to a 69-65 victory over the host school. He finished the game with a double-double, as he recorded 36 points along with 11 rebounds. Niles North now advances to the Class 4A sectional at New Trier High School in Winnetka, IL where they will take on Niles Notre Dame next Tuesday night.
From the time that Nader announced that he has re-opened his recruitment he has picked up scholarship offers from DePaul University, Marquette University and the University Of Mississippi and has drawn strong interest from plenty of others. Not only that, but Nader continues to attract a number of college coaches to his games. Marquette head coach Buzz Williams was in attendance to watch Nader in Niles North's 4A regional win over Lake Park last Tuesday night, with Rhode Island also being present.
Now that he is a member of the class of 2012, Nader will head to a prep school next season. Which prep school Nader will choose is still up in the air, although one of the leading candidates is La Lumiere in LaPorte, IN. If Nader were to be playing high school basketball in Illinois next season, he would rank as our #1 player in the state from the 2012 class.
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I know you can't judge it by offers, but the other schools in on him don't exactly wow me. But he is Buzz's kind of player, so we'll see
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I know you can't judge it by offers, but the other schools in on him don't exactly wow me. But he is Buzz's kind of player, so we'll see
I think that you will see that change. His reclassification to 2012, and his decommitment from New Mexico are recent. But, I got to agree that ultimately what matters is: "Is he Buzz's kind of player?"
Thanks for the update Pakuni.
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Would love to get an Illinois kid on the roster....not sure why ESPN isn't so high on him
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/110570
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We don't need another 2012 switchable unless someone transfers. We have 3 openings the next two years. I think our priorities should be PG, big, SG in that order. With Wilson, Jones, Anderson, and Ferguson already in the fold, Nader really doesn't seem to match our needs, unless he's a 5-star, top 15 type talent.
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I know you can't judge it by offers, but the other schools in on him don't exactly wow me. But he is Buzz's kind of player, so we'll see
From all reports I've seen, he's more of a "traditional" player, a shooter moreso than a slasher.
For what it's worth, his high school coach says he's also been hearing from Michigan State and Louisville.
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I have been looking up info on Nader lately and just came across this thread on the new mexico (where Nader decomitted from) board. Its actually a thread that began talking about Jarion Henry but then Nader was brought up. Apparently one of the posters says that on a chicago radio show they said its a done deal that Nader is coming to Marquette. Perhaps not credible but interesting at least.
http://thelobolair.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26775
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Would love to get an Illinois kid on the roster....not sure why ESPN isn't so high on him
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/110570
He's had a much better than expected senior year. I doubt his ranking has been updated since before the season.
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We don't need another 2012 switchable unless someone transfers. We have 3 openings the next two years. I think our priorities should be PG, big, SG in that order. With Wilson, Jones, Anderson, and Ferguson already in the fold, Nader really doesn't seem to match our needs, unless he's a 5-star, top 15 type talent.
Well known Buzzism: "You never stop recruiting." We're still a month or so away from the spring recruiting period, and when we get there, we all know that the "who is going" threads will start.
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Apparently he was not that highly regarded coming into this year, but has been coming on like gangbusters past few months. If Bullseye says he would be their #1 rated player in Illinois next year, then he is definitely worth trying to get.
Here is the problem: if we sign two kids this spring we only have 1 scolarship to offer next year. It could be used for Nader, but then we have none left for Nolan or another big, and we definitely need to get a big. If we take Mayo this year, then the last scholly needs to be banked so we can get a big next year. All the more reason we need to get a decent big this year--just don't know if there are any good ones left.
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Willie, you are exactly right. This is why the coaches have to make the right decision when there
are so few free rides to give. In MU's case, they really have to take what they can get. MU is not
North Carolina, etc., sure you want to plug in the holes but sometimes it is impossible. The state of Wisconsin
only has 1 player or 2 good enough to compete at BE level each year. So MU has to look elsewhere, not easy. Buzz
wants kids who want to be at MU, MU is no garden party, city school. Then it comes down to playing time,
every kid wants that. Easier to recruit when you can almost promise playing time, ask Steve Lavin, he just signed
7 or 8 kids for next year, 9 seniors. I will bet what ever you want that those kids do not stay at St. Johns there
the whole 4 years?
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Apparently he was not that highly regarded coming into this year, but has been coming on like gangbusters past few months. If Bullseye says he would be their #1 rated player in Illinois next year, then he is definitely worth trying to get.
Here is the problem: if we sign two kids this spring we only have 1 scolarship to offer next year. It could be used for Nader, but then we have none left for Nolan or another big, and we definitely need to get a big. If we take Mayo this year, then the last scholly needs to be banked so we can get a big next year. All the more reason we need to get a decent big this year--just don't know if there are any good ones left.
I would agree with this 110% were that mathematically possible. Buzz's strong interest in Mayo, to me, indicates that he's happy with what he'll have (not have, but will have) at the point guard position, much as this will disappoint brewcity. (I'm not saying you're wrong brewcity, just that it looks to me like Buzz doesn't agree with you.)
If we can get Mayo and a QUALITY big, this year (like God's Gift or Jarion Henry), I say go for it. Otherwise, I'd bank the schollie like willie warrior suggests.
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Willie, you are exactly right. This is why the coaches have to make the right decision when there
are so few free rides to give. In MU's case, they really have to take what they can get. MU is not
North Carolina, etc., sure you want to plug in the holes but sometimes it is impossible. The state of Wisconsin
only has 1 player or 2 good enough to compete at BE level each year. So MU has to look elsewhere, not easy. Buzz
wants kids who want to be at MU, MU is no garden party, city school. Then it comes down to playing time,
every kid wants that. Easier to recruit when you can almost promise playing time, ask Steve Lavin, he just signed
7 or 8 kids for next year, 9 seniors. I will bet what ever you want that those kids do not stay at St. Johns there
the whole 4 years?
Lavin has actually signed NINE players for next year. One is a JUCO guard. The other eight will be freshmen, including six who made ESPN's top 100. So, there's no question there will be transfers, only how many and which ones.
Correction: Lavin has signed seven seniors, but has a verbal from an eighth player.
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We need dominant players who can play to win in the Big East. This conference is so tough that we need to recruit players that can compete against the best and win. We need a great point guard; we need great shooters and we need great bigs. The bar is set high, we need to recruit the best.
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Looks like MU is pretty serious about this kid. And if he would really be the #1 player in Illinois next year, that's probably a good thing.
From the Bullseye Bros.
http://www.ilprepbullseye.com/Nader_Update.html
If Nader were to be playing high school basketball in Illinois next season, he would rank as our #1 player in the state from the 2012 class.[/i]
The two things to take from this...
1) Bullsye Bros know Illinois basketball
2) If they say this kid would rank as #1 2012 player in Illinois, he's gonna be a big time stud and many, many more high level schools will be after him
Nice to see we were on him early and I hope Buzz can land this dude!
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Sure hope no one accuses Buzz of continuing to recruit this cat after he verballed to New Mexico.
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I have been looking up info on Nader lately and just came across this thread on the new mexico (where Nader decomitted from) board. Its actually a thread that began talking about Jarion Henry but then Nader was brought up. Apparently one of the posters says that on a chicago radio show they said its a done deal that Nader is coming to Marquette. Perhaps not credible but interesting at least.
http://thelobolair.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26775
Uh-oh A decommit and Buzz with the inside track. I hope this doesn't make Chicos squirm. :o
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Uh-oh A decommit and Buzz with the inside track. I hope this doesn't make Chicos squirm. :o
Who's not coming? Who is getting shown the door? Warthog...where are you? ;)
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slightly related...
with the talk about limited scholarships available being brought up, i had a question to the more knowledgeable/experienced college bball folks:
sort of like the NFL draft.. is there any philosophy to recruiting the best available player, rather than a player of need, in college bball? (kinda like taking best available on a draft board). for example, lets say Nader is going to be more talented and potentially better than any big or PG we could get right now for 2012; wouldn't it be better to take him than a lower tier player just to fill a need?
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slightly related...
with the talk about limited scholarships available being brought up, i had a question to the more knowledgeable/experienced college bball folks:
sort of like the NFL draft.. is there anything philosophy to recruiting the best available player, rather than a player of need, in college bball? (kinda like taking best available on a draft board). for example, lets say Nader is going to be more talented and potentially better than any big or PG we could get right now for 2012; wouldn't it be better to take him than a lower tier player just to fill a need?
To a point, I agree. Obviously you wouldn't want to overload your rosterat a couple of positions to the detriment of all others, but if you have a chance at a high-quality recruit, you don't pass him to take a project big because "you need bigs."
As for the scholarship situation/openings that's been discussed, when was the last time MU went a year without a transfer? For better or worse, chances are that by the time the time next year rolls around, MU is going to have more scholarships to give than we think.
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Nader is planning on running with I4's kids for Indiana Elite.
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=307:niles-north-star-abdel-nader-remains-a-red-hot-recruiting-commoditywill-play-for-indiana-elite-this-spring&catid=34:recruiting (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=307:niles-north-star-abdel-nader-remains-a-red-hot-recruiting-commoditywill-play-for-indiana-elite-this-spring&catid=34:recruiting)
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Abdul Nader went to my Alma Matter.
Saw him play against Warren in the supersectional and he was impressive. Has great length, and a good shot. Would love to land Nader.
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From all reports I've seen, he's more of a "traditional" player, a shooter moreso than a slasher.
For what it's worth, his high school coach says he's also been hearing from Michigan State and Louisville.
Completely disagree he is more of a switchable than a shooter type
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I was at the Warren/NilesNorth game too (in the Warren section). The kid can play. Has a sweet outside shot and was pretty good at getting to the rim too. By the end of the game when his team was down 5, 6 ,7, 8 points Nader pretty much just took the ball and ran an iso play everytime, most of which ended in poorly executed threes. Nader is a great player (and probably more talented than the other potential MU guy in the game, Warren's Darius Paul) but he seemed a little selfish on the court. going to prep school where he will be surrounded by other good players will help him to learn he doesnt have to do everything.
I'd take him, and since my Blue Devils won that game and went to state, I dont hold a grudge. Ask me about Jon Scheyer, and its a different story.
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Nader is planning on running with I4's kids for Indiana Elite.
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=307:niles-north-star-abdel-nader-remains-a-red-hot-recruiting-commoditywill-play-for-indiana-elite-this-spring&catid=34:recruiting (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=307:niles-north-star-abdel-nader-remains-a-red-hot-recruiting-commoditywill-play-for-indiana-elite-this-spring&catid=34:recruiting)
So he belongs to Crean if he wants him.
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Wonder if Crean has his greasy paws in there on this kid?
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If he goes to La Lumiere prep school, Buzz can open the conversation with "Hey! We have a La Lumiere (Lalumiere) too!"
...and THAT'S how you recruit.
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Nader named 1st team All-State.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/ct-spt-0403-prep-bkb-all-state-first-20110402,0,2418901.htmlstory
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I would agree with this 110% were that mathematically possible. Buzz's strong interest in Mayo, to me, indicates that he's happy with what he'll have (not have, but will have) at the point guard position, much as this will disappoint brewcity. (I'm not saying you're wrong brewcity, just that it looks to me like Buzz doesn't agree with you.)
If we can get Mayo and a QUALITY big, this year (like God's Gift or Jarion Henry), I say go for it. Otherwise, I'd bank the schollie like willie warrior suggests.
Count me in the camp of being concerned about PG also unless the Wilson kid develops into a real player or Singleton is more than a typical bench warming walk on.
As much as quality big men are nice and needed to be a really good team, it's hard to be really good with erratic PG play and Junior was the definition of erratic all season.
Hell, Butler will be in their second straight NCAA title game and their best big man is only 6'8, but they have a top notch and clutch point guard.
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Count me in the camp of being concerned about PG also unless the Wilson kid develops into a real player or Singleton is more than a typical bench warming walk on.
As much as quality big men are nice and needed to be a really good team, it's hard to be really good with erratic PG play and Junior was the definition of erratic all season.
Hell, Butler will be in their second straight NCAA title game and their best big man is only 6'8, but they have a top notch and clutch point guard.
+1 (I'm sure to no one's surprise)
Cadougan should be fine, I think that he's ready to take the reins. I hope Wilson is ready to back up, but it's always dicey to expect quality minutes out of a freshman. I don't expect either DJO or Mayo to play the point, DJO isn't that type of player and from what I've read Mayo tried it but went back to the 2, which is more natural for him. To me, 1 PG and 1 backup is a recipe for disaster. Maybe Buzz expects Blue will be ready to run the offense for 5-15 minutes per night, but if not, I'd like to see another point. Though admittedly, if we added Aaric Murray, I'd be happy with that. But I look at guys like Nader and Henry and it seems like we already have numerous guys like that on our roster. As good as they may be, what makes them different from Jamil Wilson, Jamail Jones, Juan Anderson, Jae Crowder, Jamal Ferguson, and Erik Williams? We have many switchables, I know Buzz likes them, but I don't see the need for another one with our last schollie.
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+1 (I'm sure to no one's surprise)
Cadougan should be fine, I think that he's ready to take the reins. I hope Wilson is ready to back up, but it's always dicey to expect quality minutes out of a freshman. I don't expect either DJO or Mayo to play the point, DJO isn't that type of player and from what I've read Mayo tried it but went back to the 2, which is more natural for him. To me, 1 PG and 1 backup is a recipe for disaster. Maybe Buzz expects Blue will be ready to run the offense for 5-15 minutes per night, but if not, I'd like to see another point. Though admittedly, if we added Aaric Murray, I'd be happy with that. But I look at guys like Nader and Henry and it seems like we already have numerous guys like that on our roster. As good as they may be, what makes them different from Jamil Wilson, Jamail Jones, Juan Anderson, Jae Crowder, Jamal Ferguson, and Erik Williams? We have many switchables, I know Buzz likes them, but I don't see the need for another one with our last schollie.
Agreed we will be fine with Cadougan at PG--unless he goes down. Wilson should help, but he is an unknown. I do not agree with Dudearino that cadougan was erratic. Once Williams starting using him and not jerking him out, he performed well. Now, Buycks was erratic.
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I'm pretty sure Nader is a 2012 prospect, so not really in play for the "last" scholarship we have open for 2011.
To me it is a no-brainer that you add Aaric Murray if you can get him. He would be far and away the most skilled big man at MU probably since the days of Al - sorry to Jimmy Mac fans..but Murray has far more skills.
Cadougan showed me enough as the season went on to believe he will be fine/team will be fine at PG for next season - and I was one of Junior's harshest critics early in the season. Singleton, is NOT your typical walk on - and should be able to spell some minutes at the point next year, in addition to Wilson. Junior probably plays a consistent 30 minutes per game.
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Agreed we will be fine with Cadougan at PG--unless he goes down. Wilson should help, but he is an unknown. I do not agree with Dudearino that cadougan was erratic. Once Williams starting using him and not jerking him out, he performed well. Now, Buycks was erratic.
That's my biggest fear. Caddy would probably be even more devastating than losing James to injury in 2009. Acker went from averaging 7.5 mpg in Big East play to averaging 30.4 mpg in the last 8 games. He averaged 5.4 ppg and 2.9 apg. Quite a step down from James, who averaged 36.7 mpg, 12.4 ppg, and 5.4 apg in Big East play. I honestly think that had James stayed healthy, we would have won 3 of our last 4 Big East games, probably beaten 'Nova in the Big East tournament, and gone into the tournament 28-6 (15-3) with a share of the Big East title and a likely 1 or 2 seed.
Acker had a couple years of D1 play under his belt, and despite revisionist history after his great senior year, wasn't up to the task of running the team in 2009. I can't imagine having one true point guard, and a freshman at that, would fare any better. I'd rather have options so we could split minutes and have some competition for the spot in case something goes wrong. Even if it means 2 points in the same class, it's better than watching a season with so much promise like 2009 spiral out of control yet again.
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i'd rather try to stay under the radar a little-grab the table scraps like butler. first of all, they are hungry to prove the sheshefskees wrong, hopefully keep them for four years and buzz will mold them in to his kind of guy and his program
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Nader made first team all-state from the Chicago Tribune.
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i'd rather try to stay under the radar a little-grab the table scraps like butler. first of all, they are hungry to prove the sheshefskees wrong, hopefully keep them for four years and buzz will mold them in to his kind of guy and his program
Let me suggest, about 48 hours after you made this statement, that you may want to retract this suggestion.
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Let me suggest, about 48 hours after you made this statement, that you may want to retract this suggestion.
ummm, nope. i stand by the statement. what am i missing? nothing political, racist, discriminatory, sexual, or religious in nature. get the butler, bo ryan, shaka players and kick some ass. plus they'd get a great education. grab the matt howard types-no need to baby sit them
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There is no need to baby sit any of the more highly rated players we have now. And the Butler and Bo types will always have a ceiling.
And "Shaka players" I think are pretty much exactly the type of players that Buzz wants here. Long, fast and who can shoot the lights out.
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There is no need to baby sit any of the more highly rated players we have now. And the Butler and Bo types will always have a ceiling.
And "Shaka players" I think are pretty much exactly the type of players that Buzz wants here. Long, fast and who can shoot the lights out.
you have been reading the posts the past couple of weeks. right? yeah, i saw the ceiling for butler the last two years-it's called champinship games. and four years of college eligibility. have yu seen bo's win/loss percentage with or without platteville or uwm.? i don't mind juco transfers with 3 years eligibity. i haven't researched what their players were ranked coming out of high school however
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Yeah and you saw what happened to Butler yesterday...without their star player from last year who is actually adapting to the NBA quite nicely and will have a long career there.
But you stated that we need to grab the Matt Howard types because "there is no need to babysit them." First of all, Matt Howard types are good because he is a good player. Second, why do you think we need to babysit our current players? There is nothing wrong with the quality of the players that Buzz has brought here.
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Just for the record Howard had some High Major offer's he just decided to chose Butler. So he is a slighlty better recruit then normally goes. There top player last year was going to purdue and they ended up without a extra spot for him. Skeen was a transer from Wake on VCU. If you take out the guys that were recruited as High Major's they are not really very good. Recruiting is more important then coaching in College. Keep Bringing in Talent, some guys will leave if they don't get playing time. Some player's will improve quicker then expected such as Gardner some won't.