Scott Christopherson makes Honorable Mention All Big 12.
Good for him. Happy to see he is doing well and found his place at Iowa State. Hopefully for him they will have a better year as a team next season for his senior year.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 07, 2011, 11:09:55 PM
Scott Christopherson makes Honorable Mention All Big 12.
Good for him. Happy to see he is doing well and found his place at Iowa State. Hopefully for him they will have a better year as a team next season for his senior year.
Good for him....pretty cool actually. All Big 12 with members from Kansas, Texas, Kansas State, OSU. Something to tell his kids and another nail in the myth about someone unable to recruit.
Funny seeing the folks that said he was not a DI player also said Acker wasn't either. Oh well.
Nice
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 07, 2011, 11:20:35 PM
Good for him....pretty cool actually. All Big 12 with members from Kansas, Texas, Kansas State, OSU. Something to tell his kids and another nail in the myth about someone unable to recruit.
Funny seeing the folks that said he was not a DI player also said Acker wasn't either. Oh well.
Nice
The reason you get so much crap from people is the way you go about posting. Every post you make seems to have some tempered back-handed slap to other posters. If you'd post like a regular human being without digging up old graves people would appreciate you more.
For example:
"Good for him....pretty cool actually. All Big 12 with members from Kansas, Texas, Kansas State, OSU. Something to tell his kids."
Quote from: jeffreyweee on March 08, 2011, 09:39:03 AM
The reason you get so much crap from people is the way you go about posting. Every post you make seems to have some tempered back-handed slap to other posters. If you'd post like a regular human being without digging up old graves people would appreciate you more.
For example:
"Good for him....pretty cool actually. All Big 12 with members from Kansas, Texas, Kansas State, OSU. Something to tell his kids."
I give what I get Jeffreyweee.....I do exactly what ners, Pakuni, Canadian Dimes, Lenny, Navin, etc, do. Put your same comments toward those 5 to 10 others that do the same thing, and I'll believe you truly care about what your are saying. Since you won't do that, sorry...no sale.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 09:48:00 AM
I give what I get Jeffreyweee.....I do exactly what ners, Pakuni, Canadian Dimes, Lenny, Navin, etc, do. Put your same comments toward those 5 to 10 others that do the same thing, and I'll believe you truly care about what your are saying. Since you won't do that, sorry...no sale.
Who needs to take the high road?
Cura Personalis.
Just sayin'.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 09:48:00 AM
I give what I get Jeffreyweee.....I do exactly what ners, Pakuni, Canadian Dimes, Lenny, Navin, etc, do. Put your same comments toward those 5 to 10 others that do the same thing, and I'll believe you truly care about what your are saying. Since you won't do that, sorry...no sale.
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Chicos - Please remove me from the list of people who said Christopherson was a D-3 talent or not a Division 1 talent. I've never said that. I will say that I did not see Christopherson achieving the degree of success he has this past year. At best I felt he'd be a role player his whole career - after seeing how much he struggled dribbling with his left hand as a freshman. Great example of how 4 years in a college program can improve a player.
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2011, 11:29:33 AM
Chicos - Please remove me from the list of people who said Christopherson was a D-3 talent or not a Division 1 talent. I've never said that. I will say that I did not see Christopherson achieving the degree of success he has this past year. At best I felt he'd be a role player his whole career - after seeing how much he struggled dribbling with his left hand as a freshman. Great example of how 4 years in a college program can improve a player.
...and why we shouldn't be so quick to jump all over our players as if they are or should be as good today as they will ever be.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 09:48:00 AM
I give what I get Jeffreyweee.....I do exactly what ners, Pakuni, Canadian Dimes, Lenny, Navin, etc, do. Put your same comments toward those 5 to 10 others that do the same thing, and I'll believe you truly care about what your are saying. Since you won't do that, sorry...no sale.
The same goes for them attacking you or Crean. It's obnoxious and really take away from the board. It's why the scout board refers to this one as the kiddy board. Grow up, all of you.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on March 08, 2011, 09:39:03 AM
The reason you get so much crap from people is the way you go about posting. Every post you make seems to have some tempered back-handed slap to other posters. If you'd post like a regular human being without digging up old graves people would appreciate you more.
I don't mind a little "reminding" here and there. It's a message board and facts are facts. I admit I couldn't see Christopherson developing into anything special here. I thought he was too slow-footed to ever make it. Watching him against Cal proved I was dead wrong. But does that make me a dick for saying so? I was wrong, call me on it. It's just an opinion. That's the problem with a lot of the banter here; if you don't agree with "me," you're a douche. I love MU bball, but I root for Christopherson and Newbill. I like watching Mbakwe. Hell, I love watching Ben Hansbrough -- he plays the game hard and I respect that. I root against and don't like Crean, but at the end of the day, I have no problem with guys who like him. A lot of guys rip on Chicos for everything (opinion, tone, undertone, etc., etc.), but for the most part, I think he's pretty objective and right on most of the time. Nothing wrong with a little "gamesmanship" reminding someone they were wrong. Cue the stoning.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on March 08, 2011, 12:15:09 PM
The same goes for them attacking you or Crean. It's obnoxious and really take away from the board. It's why the scout board refers to this one as the kiddy board. Grow up, all of you.
This is a good example of why I don't bother reading the Scout board.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on March 08, 2011, 12:31:36 PM
I don't mind a little "reminding" here and there. It's a message board and facts are facts. I admit I couldn't see Christopherson developing into anything special here. I thought he was too slow-footed to ever make it. Watching him against Cal proved I was dead wrong. But does that make me a dick for saying so? I was wrong, call me on it. It's just an opinion. That's the problem with a lot of the banter here; if you don't agree with "me," you're a douche. I love MU bball, but I root for Christopherson and Newbill. I like watching Mbakwe. Hell, I love watching Ben Hansbrough -- he plays the game hard and I respect that. I root against and don't like Crean, but at the end of the day, I have no problem with guys who like him. A lot of guys rip on Chicos for everything (opinion, tone, undertone, etc., etc.), but for the most part, I think he's pretty objective and right on most of the time. Nothing wrong with a little "gamesmanship" reminding someone they were wrong. Cue the stoning.
I agree with all of your analysis - however, if you really believe Chicos is objective and right on most of the time - that shocks me. If you can't see his build up and defense of all things Crean, and largely tear down, skeptical, critical, evaluation of all things Buzz...you are really missing the point. Sure Chicos throws in the occasional "I like Buzz and think he is a nice person and decent coach" line about 1 in 20 posts ..but when the other 19 are largely critical - such as his rant this summer about JUCO's, calling our team choking dogs who pee themselves, ...etc, etc, etc...at some point the guy loses credibility.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on March 08, 2011, 12:31:36 PM
I don't mind a little "reminding" here and there. It's a message board and facts are facts. I admit I couldn't see Christopherson developing into anything special here. I thought he was too slow-footed to ever make it. Watching him against Cal proved I was dead wrong. But does that make me a dick for saying so? I was wrong, call me on it. It's just an opinion. That's the problem with a lot of the banter here; if you don't agree with "me," you're a douche. I love MU bball, but I root for Christopherson and Newbill. I like watching Mbakwe. Hell, I love watching Ben Hansbrough -- he plays the game hard and I respect that. I root against and don't like Crean, but at the end of the day, I have no problem with guys who like him. A lot of guys rip on Chicos for everything (opinion, tone, undertone, etc., etc.), but for the most part, I think he's pretty objective and right on most of the time. Nothing wrong with a little "gamesmanship" reminding someone they were wrong. Cue the stoning.
Agreed with all of this. Glad you can admit to being wrong on an opinion. A large majority of the people here would claim that Christopherson would not help this team and is still not good enough to play in the Big East, both points being ridiculous.
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2011, 01:48:14 PM
I agree with all of your analysis - however, if you really believe Chicos is objective and right on most of the time - that shocks me. If you can't see his build up and defense of all things Crean, and largely tear down, skeptical, critical, evaluation of all things Buzz...you are really missing the point. Sure Chicos throws in the occasional "I like Buzz and think he is a nice person and decent coach" line about 1 in 20 posts ..but when the other 19 are largely critical - such as his rant this summer about JUCO's, calling our team choking dogs who pee themselves, ...etc, etc, etc...at some point the guy loses credibility.
Disagree. While I don't like Crean and think he's a completely overrated coach, there is no denying what he did for Marquette. He got us the Al and the Big East, which are the 2 biggest things Marquette has going for them in terms of recruiting outside of the coaching staff. He got us a Final Four (yes, Dwyane Wade had a lot to do with that and Marquette being able to take partial qualifiers while other schools couldn't certainly helped the cause, is that Crean's fault? Should we just pretend we never made the 2003 Final Four because Wade was a partial qualifier and led us to the Final Four? Should Crean not have the 03 Final Four as part of his resume?). Again, I do not like Crean at all, but he was very important for the success that Marquette had in his tenure and is now having.
Chicos calls it as he sees it. I respect that and I agree with a lot of what he has to say. He did call out the JUCOs, but he admitted that he shouldn't have and he said he wouldn't do that again, which he hasn't. He has stayed true to his word. Does this team not "choke" a decent amount? When you blow double digit leads in the second half in multiple games are you not choking? When you need to win either at home against Cinci or on the road against Seton Hall in order to essentially punch your ticket to the tourney aren't you kind of choking? That doesn't mean the kids don't work hard or whatever you make think it is, but this team has had many chances to come up with very important wins and hasn't been able to finish the deal.
He brings up very good points, both the good and the bad. When we're playing very well he posts about what a good job Buzz did, how prepared the team was and how they came to play; however, when they're not playing well he calls them out as he sees it. Just because he's not 100% positive 100% of the time doesn't mean he hates Buzz or Marquette basketball, but for some reason people here think it does.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on March 08, 2011, 12:15:09 PM
The same goes for them attacking you or Crean. It's obnoxious and really take away from the board. It's why the scout board refers to this one as the kiddy board. Grow up, all of you.
Why..... I'm a man I bet!
This is why on this board we refer to the Scout board as..... wait, actually, we don't bother to refer to the Scout board here.
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2011, 01:48:14 PM
I agree with all of your analysis - however, if you really believe Chicos is objective and right on most of the time - that shocks me. If you can't see his build up and defense of all things Crean, and largely tear down, skeptical, critical, evaluation of all things Buzz...you are really missing the point. Sure Chicos throws in the occasional "I like Buzz and think he is a nice person and decent coach" line about 1 in 20 posts ..but when the other 19 are largely critical - such as his rant this summer about JUCO's, calling our team choking dogs who pee themselves, ...etc, etc, etc...at some point the guy loses credibility.
Crean is a flawed dude, I get it. So is Buzz. Big deal. Again, opinions. I think the JUCO thing is a real concern and there are valid points that most people think but don't write. I genuinely appreciate Chico's contrarian persona -- he throws it out there and you guys just explode. It makes me laugh often. But it seems like many here take it SO personal. Like the guy earlier analyzing Chico's "way you go about posting" -- ignore/hide his posts.
I don't read everything, so I'm sure there are many examples of perceived douchery, but from a casual reader of the board, Chicos is one of the more entertaining/informative members here. I would say the same about you Ners.
Agree to disagree, man up when you're wrong and try not to be dicks. Rules we can all live by.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on March 08, 2011, 02:25:25 PM
Crean is a flawed dude, I get it. So is Buzz. Big deal. Again, opinions. I think the JUCO thing is a real concern and there are valid points that most people think but don't write. I genuinely appreciate Chico's contrarian persona -- he throws it out there and you guys just explode. It makes me laugh often. But it seems like many here take it SO personal. Like the guy earlier analyzing Chico's "way you go about posting" -- ignore/hide his posts.
I don't read everything, so I'm sure there are many examples of perceived douchery, but from a casual reader of the board, Chicos is one of the more entertaining/informative members here. I would say the same about you Ners.
Agree to disagree, man up when you're wrong and try not to be dicks. Rules we can all live by.
+1 And this is from the most interesting man in the world. (I got your avatar right, didn't I?)
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on March 08, 2011, 02:25:25 PM
Crean is a flawed dude, I get it. So is Buzz. Big deal. Again, opinions. I think the JUCO thing is a real concern and there are valid points that most people think but don't write. I genuinely appreciate Chico's contrarian persona -- he throws it out there and you guys just explode. It makes me laugh often. But it seems like many here take it SO personal. Like the guy earlier analyzing Chico's "way you go about posting" -- ignore/hide his posts.
I don't read everything, so I'm sure there are many examples of perceived douchery, but from a casual reader of the board, Chicos is one of the more entertaining/informative members here. I would say the same about you Ners.
Agree to disagree, man up when you're wrong and try not to be dicks. Rules we can all live by.
Rather than simply retyping this or trying to say it in a different or better way, I'll just say that I whole-heartedly agree with this. Or, as the kids say these days, +1.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on March 08, 2011, 01:36:01 PM
This is a good example of why I don't bother reading the Scout board.
Because you'd rather piss and moan instead of have real discussion? Word, me too.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on March 08, 2011, 02:40:58 PM
Because you'd rather piss and moan instead of have real discussion? Word, me too.
Actually, when it comes to "real" discussions, Henry is about as good as it gets around here.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on March 08, 2011, 02:40:58 PM
Because you'd rather piss and moan instead of have real discussion? Word, me too.
Says the guy that posted on the Scout Board about MU needing to recruit players that the students will like so the student section will cheer better.
Quote from: Ners on March 08, 2011, 11:29:33 AM
Chicos - Please remove me from the list of people who said Christopherson was a D-3 talent or not a Division 1 talent. I've never said that. I will say that I did not see Christopherson achieving the degree of success he has this past year. At best I felt he'd be a role player his whole career - after seeing how much he struggled dribbling with his left hand as a freshman. Great example of how 4 years in a college program can improve a player.
I never said you did, ners. I said you and those others listed do the same thing that I was charged with..."posts you make seems to have some tempered back-handed slap to other posters"....that is what I said and can be backed up with ample evidence to support.
Jeffree...I don't deal with absolutes very well, so when you say "EVERY" one of my posts, that's just wrong...it stinks of "vast majority", never, every, always that some people here cannot get past. Diction problems apparently. It's lazy on your part, quite frankly.
As for cura personalis...I liked the part of the bible that was EYE FOR AN EYE. ;D I'll work on the turning the other cheek stuff, but it would be great to see all the clowns in the car do the same thing (I include myself).
Nevertheless, back on topic. Great for Scotty C. There is no doubt that he was bashed here by a lot of people. Great to see him make an All Big 12 team as a junior.
He finished 12th in the nation in 3-point shooting at 45.2% (2nd best in the Big 12)
He's already the school's all-time leader in 3's after only two years.
Good for him. Nice to see.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 02:50:47 PM
I never said you did, ners. I said you and those others listed do the same thing that I was charged with..."posts you make seems to have some tempered back-handed slap to other posters"....that is what I said and can be backed up with ample evidence to support.
Jeffree...I don't deal with absolutes very well, so when you say "EVERY" one of my posts, that's just wrong...it stinks of "vast majority", never, every, always that some people here cannot get past. Diction problems apparently. It's lazy on your part, quite frankly.
As for cura personalis...I liked the part of the bible that was EYE FOR AN EYE. ;D I'll work on the turning the other cheek stuff, but it would be great to see all the clowns in the car do the same thing (I include myself).
Nevertheless, back on topic. Great for Scotty C. There is no doubt that he was bashed here by a lot of people. Great to see him make an All Big 12 team as a junior.
He finished 12th in the nation in 3-point shooting at 45.2% (2nd best in the Big 12)
He's already the school's all-time leader in 3's after only two years.
Good for him. Nice to see.
I stand by my statement earlier this year that Christopherson would have helped us win a game or two this year.
I question how so many could determine that he was not Big East quality based on a freshman year marked by injury. Based on their frosh years, we could have said the same thing about Otule and Cadougan as well.
Quote from: Marquette84 on March 08, 2011, 07:43:17 PM
I stand by my statement earlier this year that Christopherson would have helped us win a game or two this year.
I question how so many could determine that he was not Big East quality based on a freshman year marked by injury. Based on their frosh years, we could have said the same thing about Otule and Cadougan as well.
Important to remember when evaluating this year's MU team. Our most "senior" players have just 3 years of NCAA D-1 experience: Jimmy and Joe. Scott C, due to his redshirt year, effectively is a 4th year D-1 player. Considering our next most "senior" players are DJO and Buycks who have 2 years D-1 experience....this year's team is largely inexperienced.
Quote from: Marquette84 on March 08, 2011, 07:43:17 PM
I stand by my statement earlier this year that Christopherson would have helped us win a game or two this year.
I question how so many could determine that he was not Big East quality based on a freshman year marked by injury. Based on their frosh years, we could have said the same thing about Otule and Cadougan as well.
Simple...because he was recruited by a guy that they don't like. Just as people railed on Acker, because he was recruited by a guy they don't like. For a number of posters here, that is the ONLY criteria that matters. Not their ability to play, not their skill as a basketball player (traditional or otherwise), but what coach brought them in.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 08:02:07 PM
Simple...because he was recruited by a guy that they don't like. Just as people railed on Acker, because he was recruited by a guy they don't like. For a number of posters here, that is the ONLY criteria that matters. Not their ability to play, not their skill as a basketball player (traditional or otherwise), but what coach brought them in.
You do realize that saying ONLY is the equivalent of saying always or never. I know you hate it when that happens :)
Quote from: Marquette84 on March 08, 2011, 07:43:17 PM
I stand by my statement earlier this year that Christopherson would have helped us win a game or two this year.
I question how so many could determine that he was not Big East quality based on a freshman year marked by injury. Based on their frosh years, we could have said the same thing about Otule and Cadougan as well.
A lot of posters DID say the same thing about Otule and Cadougan...some still do.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 08:02:07 PM
Simple...because he was recruited by a guy that they don't like. Just as people railed on Acker, because he was recruited by a guy they don't like. For a number of posters here, that is the ONLY criteria that matters. Not their ability to play, not their skill as a basketball player (traditional or otherwise), but what coach brought them in.
Total BS!
Care to explain why posters have been all over Junior, EWill, Otule, Buycks and Blue? Did Crean bring those guys in too? You know better than that, Chicos. You're clearly just trying to get a rise out of people.
Good call MerrittsMustache. Chicos, that's how topics get derailed. That's what I sent you a PM warning about earlier.
Congrats to SC - he had some success at ISU, and deserves it. Yes many thought he was in over his head at MU, but those same people wished him well at his new school. Nothing wrong with that.
Chicos - Can you clarify for me why you've said on numerous occasions you couldn't stand Tom Crean, thought he was a douche, etc. - but yet you get so riled up and defensive and think a player such as Christo or Acker weren't liked because of WHO recruited them?? Why do you care if people didn't like Christo or Acker?? Seems you are hell bent on defending a guy you claim to dislike and thought was a douche??
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 08:02:07 PM
For a number of posters here, that is the ONLY criteria that matters. Not their ability to play, not their skill as a basketball player (traditional or otherwise), but what coach brought them in.
It just doesn't make a lot of sense. You've also mentioned numerous times here how Gasser or Newbill have seemingly had better years than Vander. So its okay for you to prefer other freshman to Vander, but if others here disagreed with your assesment of Cristo or Mo - its wrong and simply because they didn't like the coach who recruited them??
Who cares about the coach that recruited Cristo and Acker?? They both have had good years as 4th and 5th players.
You know, folks have had 20 some hours to say congrats to Scott here. That's plenty of time. Locked.
(in case you haven't noticed, I'm in a mood to lock any thread that goes too far OT or into a rant...)