One wants Buzz Williams.
http://villanova.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1159&tid=142764223&mid=142764223&sid=1000&style=2
No offense to Buzz, honestly I love Buzz. But I'd take Jay.
Id take Buzz over Wright any friggin day of the week
2 Sweet 16s, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Final Four in 9 years at Villanova and when he inherited 'Nova they weren't exactly a top program. All I know is I hope we can say the same about Buzz after 9 seasons at MU.
I think Buzz can only get better year by year, that's promising.
On another note, I apologize to Doris, truly, but I just wanted to ask since were looking at rivals here, are most people on scoop over there too (or scout) or just one of the other. Also, from what it looks like scoop is much better than rivals. Thanks, jw.
Oh Nova fans, be careful what you wish for...
And not about hiring Buzz.
Dominique Cheek has been a disappointment thus far, no?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 28, 2011, 11:40:00 PM
Oh Nova fans, be careful what you wish for...
And not about hiring Buzz.
Dominique Cheek has been a disappointment thus far, no?
They are one Keno Davis away from obscurity. Much like us.
This just goes to show how IDIOTIC many fanbases are. I get annoyed when I see this same kind of garbage about Buzz - yet Buzz doesn't have near the skins on the wall Jay Wright does - and yet you have NOVA fans calling for his head.
Thankfully, MU hasn't been ripped with a 21 point defeat, where they were down 20 at the half. The moral in all of this is that it just shows how difficult the Big East really is - nearly every team (other than Pitt and ND) have dealt with several rough stretches..
Quote from: Ners on March 01, 2011, 08:59:02 AM
This just goes to show how IDIOTIC many fanbases are. I get annoyed when I see this same kind of garbage about Buzz - yet Buzz doesn't have near the skins on the wall Jay Wright does - and yet you have NOVA fans calling for his head.
Thankfully, MU hasn't been ripped with a 21 point defeat, where they were down 20 at the half. The moral in all of this is that it just shows how difficult the Big East really is - nearly every team (other than Pitt and ND) have dealt with several rough stretches..
+ 1,000,000
We have no emotional ties to 'nova so we can see how utterly idiotic the nova fans are about their current struggles.
Yet when we read posts that are as equally stupid about MU, that poster thinks they are making an insightful comment.
Here's how it works around here .... any post using these words/phrases in the context of a reasoned analysis of this year's team is code that the poster has no idea what they are talking about:
* low basketball IQ
* half-time adjustments
* FT practice
* we need bigs
* heart
* use of time-outs
* I don't understand "paint touches"
* lost control of the team
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 09:54:55 AM
Here's how it works around here .... any post using these words/phrases in the context of a reasoned analysis of this year's team is code that the poster has no idea what they are talking about:
* half-time adjustments*
* use of time-outs
I believe Buzz, as well as all coaches, need to work on their game plans at halftime.
Sometimes the team comes out flat or not sure of themselves. Part of that has to be on the coach.
Saying that, I love Buzz and hope he does not go anywhere, ever. But I also understand he is young and new to his craft and still needs work on it that will come when confronted with new ideas on coaching, experience, etc. To say that Buzz is infallible shows a lack of basketball understanding, and, in a way, downplays Buzz's capability as a coach and successes so far.
Quote from: marqptm on February 28, 2011, 11:44:49 PM
They are one Keno Davis away from obscurity. Much like us.
Frightening. Very.
Both schools do have a lot of support behind their programs, more so than Providence I think (don't know for certain). So, I think it would take a bit more than one Keno. But conceptually, it's horrifying.
Providence troubles lie a lot deeper than Keno. The program was a mess when he took it over. But he obviously isn't the one that is going to lead them back either.
Very unflattering article in the ProJo today re: PC.
Quote from: ATWizJr on March 01, 2011, 10:31:16 AM
Very unflattering article in the ProJo today re: PC.
Is it that hard to cut and paste the article?
http://www.projo.com/pc/content/bill_reynolds_on_friars_03-01-11_0MMOI5P_v2.2ec4ec.html
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 09:54:55 AM
Here's how it works around here .... any post using these words/phrases in the context of a reasoned analysis of this year's team is code that the poster has no idea what they are talking about:
* low basketball IQ
* half-time adjustments
* FT practice
* we need bigs
* heart
* use of time-outs
* I don't understand "paint touches"
* lost control of the team
A little over broad there. There are plenty of reasons to discuss those topics and part of the discussion should be critical.
Quote from: Andrew Siciliano's Ear on February 28, 2011, 11:33:52 PM
2 Sweet 16s, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Final Four in 9 years at Villanova and when he inherited 'Nova they weren't exactly a top program. All I know is I hope we can say the same about Buzz after 9 seasons at MU.
+1. Jay Wright has done a great job and he is a class act.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 09:54:55 AMHere's how it works around here .... any post using these words/phrases in the context of a reasoned analysis of this year's team is code that the poster has no idea what they are talking about:
* low basketball IQ
* half-time adjustments
* FT practice
* we need bigs
* heart
* use of time-outs
* I don't understand "paint touches"
* lost control of the team
So we can't talk about how well the team played, how the coaching staff and players adjusted to the game, recruiting, or game management? Basically, if you ever criticize any of the players or coaches, you have no idea what you are talking about?
I'm all for positivity, but come on, that's just inane.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 01, 2011, 10:22:32 AM
Providence troubles lie a lot deeper than Keno. The program was a mess when he took it over. But he obviously isn't the one that is going to lead them back either.
"Mess" is a bit strong. Keno inherited a team that returned all five starters, had a young Marshon Brooks coming off the bench and a pretty decent recruit named Jamine Peterson waiting in the wings (who Keno inexplicably decided not to play for a year ... a decision that likely cost him an NCAA bid).
Providence wasn't in great shape when Keno arrived, but it wasn't terrible either. It's become terrible under his stewardship, and much of their troubles can be directly attributed to him (i.e. questionable recruiting, inability or unwillingness to coach defense, bad roster decsions, poor relationships with players, etc.)
Seems to me MU made a pretty smart move to take a pass on Keno - much to the chagrin of some around here - after Crean left.
Quote from: Andrew Siciliano's Ear on February 28, 2011, 11:33:52 PM
2 Sweet 16s, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Final Four in 9 years at Villanova and when he inherited 'Nova they weren't exactly a top program. All I know is I hope we can say the same about Buzz after 9 seasons at MU.
But Nova wasn't exactly a bad program either. Lappas did some damage and had some NBA players in and out.
You might be seeing Wright 10 years ago in Buzz. There's a growing crew of Nova supporters who feel some stagnancy might be setting in. This is what happens when you don't run an offense and put all your faith in a lead guard to create -- when they can't create anymore, your team sucks.
Quote from: ATWizJr on March 01, 2011, 10:31:16 AMVery unflattering article in the ProJo today re: PC.
Unflattering and uneducated article. He calls us "offensively challenged". We score more points than anyone in the Big East and are ranked #14 in offensive efficiency per kenpom. I don't call that "offensively challenged".
Quote from: ATWizJr on March 01, 2011, 10:31:16 AM
Very unflattering article in the ProJo today re: PC.
Not to hijack the Jay Wright thread - Nova van's are understandably frustrated with their recent slide - just as MU fans would be. A very small percentage of them will say dumb things about getting rid of Jay Wright - just as a small percentage of MU fans would say about Buzz.
But anyway, onto my hijack, from the linked article...
QuoteWe're not talking about a Marquette team that's on its way to the Final Four here. We're talking about a Marquette team that's 9-7 in the Big East, an offensively challenged team that's never going to win many H-O-R-S-E games, but is tough and plays hard, two descriptions that don't always fit the Friars.
I guess he's right if you're just talking the shooting performance in the PC game, but by the numebrs...
1) We're a better offense team that PC, I beleive - right? At least as far as I can understand from KenPoms numbers.
2) Despite any in-game shooting, I think I'd gladly line DJO, Butler, Buycks, and maybe even Crowder up for a HORSE game against most other BE team's top 4 players. Sure we'd come in behind ND, but I think we'd have a good chance against most others.
Sorry - just thought that particular paragraph showed he did no research on MU's offense. (and brew beat me to the post button)
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 01, 2011, 11:11:13 AM
Unflattering and uneducated article. He calls us "offensively challenged". We score more points than anyone in the Big East and are ranked #14 in offensive efficiency per kenpom. I don't call that "offensively challenged".
Evidently, when the author says "offensively challenged" he/she means "can't hit a jump shot."
Last time I checked, a jump shot and a layup both count as two points. Sheesh, where's Gene Hackman with a tape measure when you need him?
Quote from: Benny B on March 01, 2011, 11:18:43 AM
Evidently, when the author says "offensively challenged" he/she means "can't hit a jump shot."
Last time I checked, a jump shot and a layup both count as two points. Sheesh, where's Gene Hackman with a tape measure when you need him?
My response on their site...
Quote from: brewcity77No intent to slam PC, you guys have it rough now, and I'm hoping to see the Friars bounce back. But for the writer to call Marquette "offensively challenged" is simply stupid. According to kenpom we have the 14th ranked offense in the country, and have consistently been in the top 10-15 all season long. We score more points than anyone in the Big East, including Providence, and this was before Sunday's game. We have scored 70+ in 23/29 games.
I'll grant you that our defense has been inconsistent, and is only now starting to look respectable, but offensively we have been a juggernaut all season. We dunk, layup, and dunk on everyone, and also have shot 36.8% from three in conference play, so outside of ND, Pitt, and Louisville, we'd fare pretty well in a game of H-O-R-S-E as well.
How about researching the team that just beat you before you call them "offensively challenged"?
Oops...it's 'Nova, not 'Ville that's in 3rd in 3-point percentage. Meh...whatever.
Quote from: Benny B on March 01, 2011, 11:18:43 AM
Evidently, when the author says "offensively challenged" he/she means "can't hit a jump shot."
Last time I checked, a jump shot and a layup both count as two points. Sheesh, where's Gene Hackman with a tape measure when you need him?
Sounds as though the author views the game of basketball through a similar lens as does our Bailbondsman. It isn't exactly traditional basketball to be so aggressive going to the hoop and scoring at the basket.
Quote from: Ners on March 01, 2011, 11:32:42 AM
Sounds as though the author views the game of basketball through a similar lens as does our Bailbondsman. It isn't exactly traditional basketball to be so aggressive going to the hoop and scoring at the basket.
This is post is SOOOOOOOOO necessary. Sitting back in your chair, thinking to yourself, "ZING! Take that CBB. Boo yah, I'm awesome."
(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/22sw37swsw87.gif)
Quote from: marqptm on February 28, 2011, 11:44:49 PM
They are one Keno Davis away from obscurity. Much like us.
Not fair to blame Davis. PC's decline came under Tim Welsh. Davis faced a massive rebuilding project.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 01, 2011, 10:41:35 AM
+1. Jay Wright has done a great job and he is a class act.
Was he a class act when he got Villanova hit with NCAA sanctions for his recruiting violations? Funny how some guys get a pass, yet others are tagged cheaters for life
Quote from: Benny B on March 01, 2011, 11:18:43 AM
Evidently, when the author says "offensively challenged" he/she means "can't hit a jump shot."
Last time I checked, a jump shot and a layup both count as two points. Sheesh, where's Gene Hackman with a tape measure when you need him?
I think the comment is based on the observation that we have only one effective offensive style, and when that doesn't work, we're challenged to score. Even in games we've won (e.g. @UConn) we've often had long stretches of offensive futility.
When another team takes us out of our normal offense, we look terrible (St. Johns, USF)
Quote from: Marquette84 on March 01, 2011, 11:52:24 AM
Was he a class act when he got Villanova hit with NCAA sanctions for his recruiting violations? Funny how some guys get a pass, yet others are tagged cheaters for life
Because they were relatively minor, he was upfront about them, and they happened about eight years ago with no repeat offenses.
well Philadelphia area fans do have a rep to keep up
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 01, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
Because they were relatively minor, he was upfront about them, and they happened about eight years ago with no repeat offenses.
Minor? Not according to the NCAA.
"Although the violations might have been deemed secondary if considered on an individual basis, the committee concluded that, "in combination,
the violations caused this case to rise to the level of 'major' in nature."
Quote from: reinko on March 01, 2011, 11:39:03 AM
This is post is SOOOOOOOOO necessary. Sitting back in your chair, thinking to yourself, "ZING! Take that CBB. Boo yah, I'm awesome."
(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/22sw37swsw87.gif)
Not really - just pointing out that others can also see the game of basketball as does CBB - that lack of "traditional players"/quality jump shooting, translates into bad offense - when the reality is, that isn't necessarily true...as evidenced by our overall offensive efficiency ratings.
Quote from: Marquette84 on March 01, 2011, 11:52:24 AM
Not fair to blame Davis. PC's decline came under Tim Welsh. Davis faced a massive rebuilding project.
As Pakuni pointed out, Keno Davis inherited 5 returning starters, Jamine Peterson (who he inexplicably redshirted) and Marshon Brooks among others. He was handed a decent team and has "rebuilt" it into a crappy one.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 01, 2011, 01:28:53 PM
As Pakuni pointed out, Keno Davis inherited 5 returning starters, Jamine Peterson (who he inexplicably redshirted) and Marshon Brooks among others. He was handed a decent team and has "rebuilt" it into a crappy one.
I'd be most troubled by the fact that Davis can't seem to get his kids to consistently play hard, particularly on defense.
College coaches are going to miss on recruits sometimes, especially at non-elite programs. Not being able to get the kids you have as a coach though to play hard and tough is something i'd see as a very bad sign.
Some fans are just plain stupid.
Quote from: jhags15 on February 28, 2011, 11:20:22 PM
Id take Buzz over Wright any friggin day of the week
Was that supposed to be in teal?
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on March 01, 2011, 11:08:37 AM
But Nova wasn't exactly a bad program either. Lappas did some damage and had some NBA players in and out.
You might be seeing Wright 10 years ago in Buzz. There's a growing crew of Nova supporters who feel some stagnancy might be setting in. This is what happens when you don't run an offense and put all your faith in a lead guard to create -- when they can't create anymore, your team sucks.
Wright was a solid mid-major coach as well, that would be a big difference between him and Buzz.
Took over a losing Hofstra program, they stuck with him after 3 losing years and then turned them into a tournament team 3 straight years (NIT, NCAA, NCAA). Took over a Nova program that was sputtering and revived them.
I'd take him in a heartbeat and so would 99% of programs in the country.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 07:07:38 PM
Wright was a solid mid-major coach as well, that would be a big difference between him and Buzz.
Took over a losing Hofstra program, they stuck with him after 3 losing years and then turned them into a tournament team 3 straight years (NIT, NCAA, NCAA). Took over a Nova program that was sputtering and revived them.
I'd take him in a heartbeat and so would 99% of programs in the country.
Fortunately for us, Buzz is proving to be a solid high major coach. Actually pretty flattering to read the Nova board and hear one of their fans specifically state they'd prefer Buzz Williams as their coach. Obviously, Buzz has a long way to go to accomplish what Jay Wright has - but 3 years in - pretty good returns. Jim Calhoun certainly seemed to think so last year.
Quote from: Ners on March 01, 2011, 07:12:11 PM
Fortunately for us, Buzz is proving to be a solid high major coach. Actually pretty flattering to read the Nova board and hear one of their fans specifically state they'd prefer Buzz Williams as their coach. Obviously, Buzz has a long way to go to accomplish what Jay Wright has - but 3 years in - pretty good returns. Jim Calhoun certainly seemed to think so last year.
You find that everywhere. Go to the Oklahoma boards and you have people there willing to wash Buzz's jock strap with their spit while other fans there think he's crooked and a poor coach. Same with some other boards. That's just the nature of the Internet message boards.
Look how many experts on this site said Mike Brey should be fired...let alone the experts on the Notre Dame site. There are millions of these examples. From recall, I still only remember one person here ever saying he wanted Buzz fired and I suspect the true reality is that no one (or one \ two idiots) at Nova want the same to happen with Wright.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on February 28, 2011, 11:08:39 PM
One wants Buzz Williams.
http://villanova.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1159&tid=142764223&mid=142764223&sid=1000&style=2
Isn't everyone in Philly creaming themselves to pry Crean away from Bloomington?
Any Nova fan that would even remotely consider thinking the program would be better off if Wright was fired is a complete moron. I suspect though that the vast majority of Nova fans understand how good of a coach he is. There just are morons in every fan base that simply don't grasp how hard it is to win consistently in a conference like the Big East and if they were the AD, they'd ruin their program via kneejerk reactions and unrealistic expectations.
When you look at any of the major conferences in college basketball, it's largely the strength or weakness of coaching in the leagues that dictates which leagues are consistently upper tier. Looking at the Big East
Wright
Boeheim
Dixon
Patino
Huggins
Thompson
Calhoun
All of them are proven winners, quality coaches, and good recruiters.
Then you have
Brey-- Not as accomplished as the guys above, but he's done a very solid job overall IMO and this year is his best team since taking over.
Buzz-- A very impressive beginning to his career at Marquette and hopefully more experience will provide for consistently good results.
Lavin-- Had success at UCLA. Is having a great season this year at St. John's, but it is a senior laden squad. Lavin was a good recruiter though at UCLA and the city of NY will have plenty of talent for him to draw in players.
Cronin-- He had a bad start to his tenure at Cincinnati, but they are 22-6 this year and maybe he's got things turned around.
There are a lot of quality head coaches in the Big East and that bodes well for the conference remaining top 3 at worst in any given season. If Lavin can return St. John's into being a consistent NCAA Tournament team most years and Buzz can keep getting Marquette there on a near every year basis to go with those top seven guys i started with, it would be hard to argue that any other conference could match the Big East for coaching talent. Granted, the Big East has more teams than other conferences, but that doesn't change how many quality coaches the Big East has.
The Big Ten has a nice stable of coaches with Izzo, Ryan, Painter, Matta, and Weber. Crean and Tubby also have had success at previous stops, but so far have been disappointments in their current jobs. I really expected the Big Ten to be a very good conference this year, but MSU and Minnesota have really underachieved their preseason expectations. That said, i do think the level of coaches in the Big Ten is better than it's been in awhile, especially if Crean and/or Tubby can get consistently good results for their programs going forward.