Was at the game last night and was less than thrilled with the crowd. I understand the shooting was poor and FT's were terrible. However, in no way does that deserve booing, especially this early in the season and the fact that these kids are 19 and 20 years old. If this continues through out the year, maybe, but right now I think its classless not to mention counterproductive. Us booing them I'm sure did nothing to improve their confidence.
On a positive, I thought the student section was outstanding.....they definitely picked up both the crowd and the team late in the game. Kudos to them.
I agree .. wrote the same thing on the blog. You can express exasperation, you can sigh, you can yell "ARGH!" .. but no booing. The shots just weren't dropping, and there's no one at the BC who wanted them to drop more than the kids in the jerseys.
You can boo refs. You can boo the other team. You might even boo the coach if he doesn't put in the walkons at the end of a blow out.
But you can't boo the kids when they're playing hard and just not succeeding.
.. The student section was OK .. I had the feeling that it was down from the exhibition Cardinal Stritch game, though. (smaller).
I honestly thought the students sucked. A lot of the boo's were coming from them. Also, they couldn't even fill a SMALLER lower bowl last night. They had one section plucked for the visiting teams to use, and they still couldn't fill it. I actually laugh every time they say the best student section around. PATHETIC!
The students also were way to quiet all night. As I ran into one prominent member of the MU community at the BC last night, he was trying to talk two girls from bailing on the game to go to a sorority function. But alas, the girls bailed anyway.
Last night was a PRIME example of why the student section should actually be shrunk in the lower bowl, not expanded. Lets at least maximize our returns. I mean why do they need so many lower bowl seats anyway?
Note: For the students who show up on a regular basis, this isn't a testament of what you bring. I mean, you would still get good seats as you do now.
Chili I'm going to have to disagree. I was sitting in the lower bowl on the opposite end from the students and noted a ridiculous amount of boos from my area. Plus towards the end of the game, the students got fired up and were the only ones cheering when Marquette was down 50-44 with 3 minutes to go.
Also, we need to be objective about the student section. Everyone holds Kansas and Duke as shinning examples of student sections. However, the number of students at the game last night is probably equal to the number at any Duke game. Camreon Indoor is small and therefore looks much more filled when we have equal numbers of attendance. The student section is great.....we can't fill it to the rafts every game.
Missing FT's that badly deserves booing. These aren't kids playing CYM ball...they're getting a free-ride at a major university and shooting FT's is just practice and repetition.
Now I do believe Crean deserves the boos more for this poorly constructed team and not planning for the loss of Novak.
I think it's a little early to say this team is "poorly constructed." Hayward is still playing his way into shape-- and may very well go a long ways towards filling the void left by Novak.
These guys are used to playing with a great shooter. They don't any more, and that's an adjustment.
Crean needs to have an offensive game plan that emphasizes our strengths and forced the opposing team to scrap it's zone or lane-packing. I think the freshmen will help with that. Both can shoot.
While I don't think we should be booing the players, I do believe Crean deserves some boos for last night's game.
MUeng -
I sit in 219 right next to the students. I have sat in this section for a few years now. There were boo's flying out of the section during the game. As for the students getting fired up during up the last 3 minutes, where were they the rest of the game? Oh yeah, throwing cardboard heads around. Also, the Duke fans are bunch of tools. Have you ever seen pictures of dorks who are the "Cameron Crazies"? Check out thetruthaboutduke.com for some insights.
My whole thing is that if the students cannot fill the lower bowl for EVERY game, I am sure there is some season ticket holder who is up top who would. I mean you don't laugh when you see that the lower bowl isn't filled and they call it the "Best Student Section in America?"
And no, I do not want them to be like MSU, Puke or "Insert some other school I do not care about" - I just want them to support their school like I did - with a 30 pack of High Life Light, a flask of Admiral Nelson and a few (now really EXPENSIVE) Miller Lites from the consesion stands. What, were they showing some rerun of the OC last night you couldn't come out? It is not like it is the most difficult school to get above a 3.0 at. Time management people!
/stepping off my soap box. but I still think the students were pathetic last night.
Well you have a better perspective on the student section than I did, so I will grant you that one about the boos.
However two points to make. One, you say where were the students until the last three minutes of the game....I would ask the same of all the vaunted season ticket holders who sat on their hands and/or booed during the game, where were they until the last three minutes?
The other point is that I don't think you would see more seats filled if you gave every lower bowl student section ticket to season ticket holders. There were at least 30 empty seats around my season tickets(lower 206), and it looked like a common theme throughout the lower bowl. So I don't think the arguement that season ticket holders would have filled the seats better holds water. In fact, you move the student section out of the lower bowl, it will be less loud and even less students will attend.
Lastly, I think relatively speaking we have equal student attendance to every other major college program in the country. I would love to see evidence to the contrary.
Now don't get me wrong I think the students definitely need to step up their game, in fact I too made a snide comment to my girlfriend about the "best student section in the country". I just don't think they are as bad as you make them out to be and you have to note the improvement over the last 7 years. I was a student from '99 to '03 and went to every single home game over that four year span....the improvement is light years over what it was in '99.
Just my two cents.
The only difference is that a season ticket holder will be paying a $50 per seat donation plus $30 a seat per game while the student is paying $55. One section alone, say removing section 225 from the students, could net another $120,000 into the BNGF. And with the money we could have another quality home and home.
I honestly think they should separate the lower and upper student section seats and put a mandatory 80 or 90% attendance on lower bowl bowl seats, like MSU. They could even charge a little extra since students would know they had the lower seats. Or make it a service thing, where to get those seats you have to do some campus service or leadership thing. I don't know. I mean filling the 1500 or so lower bowl seats shouldn't be that hard. Almost EVERY school in the nation can do that. (Yes, I know there are some schools who cannot, but I think most can with a decent marketing team - which MU has).
I guess I remember the old Deane days of showing up at tip off for the Cinci game when they were ranked #2 (or something around that) and getting lower bowl seats. It has gotten better, but I still think that students should show up or else get less seats in the lower bowl. I don't like giving people something for nothing, which is what the students are getting now.
One thing of note that has been better so far is the band attendance. It got bad last year at times and so far it has been quite good.
I agree with you. I think the lower bowl should have a couple of caveats on it. Attendence, senoirity, and a higher price. It always drove me nuts that I went to every single game but just anybody could get the good seats for the important games.
You are also correct about the band, though it seemed like they played less this year than in years past.....dunno might have missed some of that when I had my head buried in my hands during the timeouts ;)
I think your math is pretty far off. Opening some more seats in the lower bowl won't suddenly add new season ticket holders. It will shift people who are upstairs, down. The upper deck seats are $25 a pop, so you're really just adding $5 in incrimental revenue/seat, plus maybe $2 for the donation/seat. -- And I'm not counting the $15 and $9 ticket holders, as they obviously don't care where they are sitting.
That being said, I'm with you on some of your suggestions. I'd remove a corner section .. and I think you're on to something with the upper/lower seats. Not sure about charging extra, but make it an attendance thing. Them bar codes on the tickets mean big brother can watch!
--Comment about lowers being based on seniority .. I think you want to make an exception for freshmen. You put them in the rafters, and they may never "catch the fever" so to speak.
.. also, the band? While large in number .. wow, not in mid-season form last night.
This stuff about shrinking the lower bowl of the student section:
IMO, If what you want is an apathetic, nonexistent student section, then sending them upstairs would be a good idea.
Yeah, old folks are paying the big bucks for half court seats, but this is the MU students' team. When the alumni went here, it was theirs. These are our classmates playing (though we may not see them in class much). The team and school are a major part of our identity and we deserve that section we've got.
A bit of a concession:
Sure the student section is weak during these first non-conf games. But so is the rest of the BC. Just wait for the BE games to come- the students (as well as the rest of the crowd) will be more energetic and have a significant presence.
Whoa .. I don't think anyone really wants to remove all the students from the lower bowl. That would be disasterous! It's more about removing one section and moving it upstairs. That would compact the "good" student fans a bit, but for 1/2 the games, no one would notice.
-- Also .. I think the BC should have a 2nd half policy .. in the 2nd half, you can take any empty seat in the place. Hell, the ushers should go upstairs and encourage people to move down where the team can hear them!
no, i wasnt talking about moving all students upstairs. but i just disagree with shrinking the section at all.
i do love that 2nd half idea though.
As far as getting the freshmen caught up in the fever.....have a # of tickets in the lower bowl set aside for freshmen....a new group of freshmen ticket holders gets those tickets....bonus is the freshmen will be there in force on the games they have lower bowl tickets. I think the majority of the tickets need to go to those with good attendence record and seniority for the tie breaker.
i like that idea.
If it is the students team, they would be supporting them as much as they can. Now, they just show up for the big games because it is the thing to do. I really think mandatory attendance % is going to be needed to curb this apathy.
I mean maybe it is a lottery for the lower sections with attendance requirements and then have the uppers open. I dont know - but just showing up for the "big" games is pretty weak if you ask me.
It happens outside of the student section too. Vacant seats happen. Dont expect everyone to get super hyped about playing teams like Hillsdale and Idaho.
Quote from: mu03eng on November 14, 2006, 11:12:31 AMThe other point is that I don't think you would see more seats filled if you gave every lower bowl student section ticket to season ticket holders. There were at least 30 empty seats around my season tickets(lower 206), and it looked like a common theme throughout the lower bowl. So I don't think the arguement that season ticket holders would have filled the seats better holds water. In fact, you move the student section out of the lower bowl, it will be less loud and even less students will attend.
...I was a student from '99 to '03 and went to every single home game over that four year span....the improvement is light years over what it was in '99.
Just my two cents.
this guy's got it right.
now i have to go to class...
Quote from: ons20 on November 14, 2006, 12:29:39 PM
It happens outside of the student section too. Vacant seats happen. Don't expect everyone to get super hyped about playing teams like Hillsdale and Idaho.
Who the hell is getting hyped to see Hillsdale and Idaho State? Usually, I am hyped to see MU play. It stems from the good ole days of front row seats at tip off. :-\
Also a vacant season ticket holder seat is still pulling in a minimum of $32.75 a game (gross) for the athletic department. While a vacant student ticket pulls in under $5. Even if you factor in cannibalization of a $25 consumer who trades up, you still end up with an additional $7.75/game with the hopes of having someone move from $15 seats to $25.
Anyway, just show up with enough people to fill the lower bowl to put some energy into the damn place. As the students are the catalyst for crowd and last night it showed.
I don't disagree with Chili, students just don't show up on weekdays for bad/mediocre teams. Take away lower bowl student sections, never.
The only reasonable section to take away would be behind the band, and who really wants to sit behind the band anyway?
"Marquette University, where the students never stop studying."
-Princeton Review
Why the need to rag on student attendence? I'm pretty sure the concept is for them(us) to get an education, not be held responsible for attending x amount of basketball games. My apologies if I preferred to do something else than watch Hillsdale or Idaho St. (even though I was at those games).
Why aren't all of you alumni at the women's games? Maybe you should have to attend a certain number of women's games for you to hold your season tickets. Yes, that is ridiculous and exactly my point.
As to the issue of booing - I did not boo but I can understand it. The performance was WAY under potential so fans let them know about it. A boo doesn't mean you have turned on your team. You are just expressing your feelings. Also, how can you say the student section wasn't into the game enough? How are we supposed to go crazy when the team can't make a shot (from the free throw line or otherwise).
With all this said, I will continue to support the team whether they lose to Detroit or run the table, and I hope everyone else does as well, but if they don't, so be it.
Quote from: ben8787 on November 14, 2006, 12:54:15 PM
Why the need to rag on student attendance? I'm pretty sure the concept is for them(us) to get an education, not be held responsible for attending x amount of basketball games. My apologies if I preferred to do something else than watch Hillsdale or Idaho St. (even though I was at those games).
Why aren't all of you alumni at the women's games? Maybe you should have to attend a certain number of women's games for you to hold your season tickets. Yes, that is ridiculous and exactly my point.
This might be the funniest and worst argument I have ever heard.
1) Getting an education. Do it. I did it. Got above a 3.0, 2 majors, a minor, worked 2 jobs, partied my nuts off, landed a great job. Oh yeah, I think I maybe missed about 3 games in my tenor. And if you want to do something else, fine. Just don't take up good lower level seats that someone else could sit in and the university could benefit from by making more money.
2) Women's games have nothing to do with men's games. That is why they sell separate tickets. If they told me I had to purchase X number of women's tickets to get men's tickets - I would probably do it. What you are missing here is that alumni season ticket holders are not part of the general admission tickets and my two tickets for one game pay for over a year of what a fanatic does. Also, other universities have implemented attendance for people who want the tickets and will use them for every game. It is not so far fetched. Why not give premium seats to those who use them? Reward the students who show up. And if you do not want to show up for all the games, I really don't think you would mind sitting in the upper bowl.
I think what many of the you are missing here is that sitting in the lower bowl with good seats should not be a students right. It is a privilege to have the seats - so why not use it. Because I am sure someone else would surely like better seats.
Student attendance has everything to do with it.
If our student section is ever going to be upper echelon, the big game only fans needs to be denied tickets. However, gracefully, our coach and department are embracing the students by giving them as many tickets as they want.
It sure is great to have 3,800 kids for a big game. Looks great. However, it is these jackasses that start stupid cheers like 'overrated'.
Until Marquette starts to limit tickets and the university student body gets much larger we will continue to have a very apathetic student section.
Cameron Crazies are great fans, they live outside for months for tickets. Even the alumni here had times which they were outside for several days like that. Wisconsin has their lottery, as do MANY schools.
Instead, we have some jackass Marquette Tribune writer demanding courtside seats because he can't get the the Bradley Center an hour and a half before the game for good seats.
And please don't start about student attendance at other events, it has been crap all around. There is no way to stimulate Marquette students to get to games.
For crying out loud, what do you expect from students on a Monday night against Idaho State. I'm sorry many of the students don't live for marquette basketball like you did/do.
I think it SHOULD be the students' right to have good seats. The students actually go to the university so they should be given priority.
In no way is it a right for the students.
Those seats are provided because student sections bring energy, noise, and spirit. If you aren't bringing it, why should Marquette offer them?
Typical Marquette student.
Quote from: Chili on November 14, 2006, 01:12:15 PM
I think what many of the you are missing here is that sitting in the lower bowl with good seats should not be a students right. It is a privilege to have the seats - so why not use it. Because I am sure someone else would surely like better seats.
I can't believe you think students don't have the right to sit in the lower bowl. We aren't talking about seats along the side of the court, but the end and one corner. So if you really want to kick us students out of there go ahead, see how many of us show up 4 or so hours before for Idaho State to get a prime seat at the front of the 400 sections where we can't be heard. But if you along with the rest of the fans would like to cheer (you know make noise like the student section, even if its not all game) then go ahead, take those seats. But you're also missing the point, this is college, this is our team. It is different in college than in the NBA. There you have just normal fans like yourself. I'm not saying you don't cheer, but do you like a student? It is the whole point of college basketball, the atmosphere created by the students. Put us up top and we don't exist. You can't just move students because then its not college basketball.
And I will admit last night was the first time I had ever booed our own team. But so far there has been absolutely no intensity shown from this team, and free throws have been pathetic. I think Barro was our best free throw shooter last night 2-2, and at a good time, how sad is that? I know that we'll have bad shooting nights, but this was beyond that and just added to the fact that we can't play defense and can't make a shot with nobody guarding us. None the less , I cheered almost the whole game no matter how much we sucked. Probably more than you can say.
Quote from: marqptm on November 14, 2006, 02:31:46 PM
In no way is it a right for the students.
Those seats are provided because student sections bring energy, noise, and spirit. If you aren't bringing it, why should Marquette offer them?
Typical Marquette student.
Why should we if the team isn't? I don't care about bad shooting, but they lack as much energy and intensity as we(the student section) did last night. I cheered last night no matter how bad it was. Obviously there were times where none of us were cheering, but I bet you cheered the whole game to make up for that right? And until the university moves us, it is our right, those are our sections.
On behalf of the student section, we were not booing at the players. Almost all of the boos from the student section were directed towards the refs and the other instances that may have sounded like boos to others in the stadium were simply frustrations being vented. There were a lot of expletives, but never boos. Trust me, despite how poor we were playing, we would never boo our players. Its early in the season and we realize that we have yet to get into a rhythm. We are all just ready to see what this team can do and its frustrating to watch us underpreform.
Quote from: Chili on November 14, 2006, 01:12:15 PM
Why not give premium seats to those who use them? Reward the students who show up. And if you do not want to show up for all the games, I really don't think you would mind sitting in the upper bowl.
I think what many of the you are missing here is that sitting in the lower bowl with good seats should not be a students right. It is a privilege to have the seats - so why not use it. Because I am sure someone else would surely like better seats.
Maxpower (great Simpson's reference BTW.) -
You miss quoted me. If you show up to all the games and cheer, then hell yes you should have lower bowl seats. I still think the real fanatics should have prime seats (within reason). But last night was an example of a game where the students struggled. I think the goal of the section should be to have every seat in the lower bowl filled - NO MATTER WHAT! No excuses. If that cannot happen, shrink the section in the lower bowl because it is too big. Make the lower bowl tickets mandatory attendance tickets (or 80% like some schools do). Make them special tickets for the real fans. Like you who showed up last night (even though you boo'd "Your Team" which I totally disagree with). I just do not want to reward apethetic and Johny Come Lately Fans when the University could use the extra $$$ from selling full tickets.
Lastly, MU students have no idea how f-ing lucky you have it. My freshman year at the University of Arizona I was lucky enough to win the student lottery to get tickets to the Men's Basketball games. Only 750 students won the right to buy 2 tickets so hopefully 1,500 students could attend. Thats it. For a school of 30,000+ students at a RABID college basketball school 1,500 student tickets tops. Most students never won. NEVER. I mean look at other schools. UW - Madison, MSU, Duke - not everyone gets to go. While MU does everything but wipe your butt when you are finished crapping so you can have your seats.
Ok, I see your point now, and I do agree. It was your second line that almost contradicts your point you just made, which is why I responded the way I did. But thanks for clearing that up. And my booing was about 95% towards Crean/refs, I should have stated that before. I would never boo bad shooting (and usually never the team in general no matter what), but they aren't playing with any heart right now, which I have never seen(and I've been going to games for a while now). It took about 36 minutes or so for them to start playing tough defense. Offense will come, but intensity can't unless they make it happen. If they were trying their hardest, I have no problem. If they lost a close game, but tried and played tough all game, I would have less of a problem then I do now. During basketball season, I schedule what I have to do around the games because I love basketball and I support our team. So it's not like I'm a fair weather fan. And I'm not sure about this, but the lower section had to be pretty full because I had friends who sat up top. There were no more than 10 up top, but I'd think they would have sat down below if there were seats.
maxwell,
The CBE took a section away from the students for the teams that played before us. The section did not fill the lower bowl yesterday.
Lastly, MU students have no idea how f-ing lucky you have it. My freshman year at the University of Arizona I was lucky enough to win the student lottery to get tickets to the Men's Basketball games. Only 750 students won the right to buy 2 tickets so hopefully 1,500 students could attend. Thats it. For a school of 30,000+ students at a RABID college basketball school 1,500 student tickets tops. Most students never won. NEVER. I mean look at other schools. UW - Madison, MSU, Duke - not everyone gets to go. While MU does everything but wipe your butt when you are finished crapping so you can have your seats.
Chili- please, in all seriousness..there is absolutely no reason for you to be downplaying our student section. If you were any sort of Marquette fan or basketball fan for that matter you would understand what the students bring in supporting a basketball program. If you have followed Marquette basketball over the years you would understand how much the students have come to get involved since Tom Crean's arrival. We understand how lucky we are to be involved and attend our basketball games...and if we did't care we wouldn't be there. Never call yourself a member of the Marquette community if you intend to demean and disregard the contribution of our students. If you were a true Marquette fan you never would have considered going to Arizona (and by the way they played well against Virginia)...and finally, Real Chili is a Marquette tradition not Arizona's.
Quote from: rjm313 on November 14, 2006, 10:29:46 PM
Lastly, MU students have no idea how f-ing lucky you have it. My freshman year at the University of Arizona I was lucky enough to win the student lottery to get tickets to the Men's Basketball games. Only 750 students won the right to buy 2 tickets so hopefully 1,500 students could attend. Thats it. For a school of 30,000+ students at a RABID college basketball school 1,500 student tickets tops. Most students never won. NEVER. I mean look at other schools. UW - Madison, MSU, Duke - not everyone gets to go. While MU does everything but wipe your butt when you are finished crapping so you can have your seats.
Chili- please, in all seriousness..there is absolutely no reason for you to be downplaying our student section. If you were any sort of Marquette fan or basketball fan for that matter you would understand what the students bring in supporting a basketball program. If you have followed Marquette basketball over the years you would understand how much the students have come to get involved since Tom Crean's arrival. We understand how lucky we are to be involved and attend our basketball games...and if we did't care we wouldn't be there. Never call yourself a member of the Marquette community if you intend to demean and disregard the contribution of our students. If you were a true Marquette fan you never would have considered going to Arizona (and by the way they played well against Virginia)...and finally, Real Chili is a Marquette tradition not Arizona's.
Hey genius, I went to Arizona for my freshman year and then transfered to Marquette. I have been a Marquette fan since birth since my family has worked at MU my entire life. For Christ's sake, I had season tickets to MU when I was in high school. I have missed 3 MU home games in the last 7 years. I have also only missed 3 MU NCAA game's since 2001-2002 (I missed Holy Cross, Mi$$ou & Pitt in 2003). I haven't missed a DePaul game at DePaul in 4 years. Hell, I am going to every MU in the month of February this year going on the road to DePaul, Georgetown and Notre Dame. I remember the protests in front of Real Chili when Jeff got fired. Mild, Medium, Hot, Fired! I have served on an alumni board at MU for the past 2.5 years. Some of us, actually most on this board, have been fans (and were students) before Tom's arrival in Milwaukee and know where it has come. I just do not think the majority of student embrace this team and program like they should. So don't tell me I do not know what an MU community is and you sure as $hit have no basis for telling me what I should think about MU or the basketball program.
alright chili, you seem to be caught up in some holier than thou fan fantasy. why shoot down the student section? how much better off would the team/crowd at home games be with an upper level student section? as some have posted, this is college basketball, moving the student section up top would make marquette an anomaly among ALL college basketball teams. as much as anyone refuses to admit it, the student section leads the crowd at the bc, not to say anyone else is a bad fan, but the students are the fuel for the fire, IMHO
I really think a lot of you need to go back to Eng 001 and refresh on reading comp. I never said move all of the students to the upper level. But I do think more need show up. There is no excuse for not filling up the lower level ever. I have also said in previous posts that the students are the catalysts to the crowd - which is why they should be in attendance. Again, tonight the students at the game were great tonight. But, the lower bowl of the student section was maybe 75% full and one section was removed and given to the visiting teams. My belief is that if the students want to keep so many sections in the lower level, more should show up. If not, take 224 and make it season tickets so MU can get more revenue.
So show me where I said I wanted to move the entire student section to the upper level and I will quit yapping. Since I never said that - I will stand by my argument.
Chili- did you come back from Arizona for the MU home games..you must have been missing from the student section. Oh wait, according to you the student section does not matter and the fans don't care. Please do not disrespect the fans who have embraced MU basketball and attend the games to support the team and the school. I am offended as a fan who has attended games my whole life and am disappointed you would humiliate those who choose to support this university. There is no reason why you, a fan, should discredit a student section that waits for hours to get into games and creates a great positive environment for our basketball team at our home games..
Quote from: rjm313 on November 14, 2006, 11:28:34 PM
Chili- did you come back from Arizona for the MU home games..you must have been missing from the student section. Oh wait, according to you the student section does not matter and the fans don't care. Please do not disrespect the fans who have embraced MU basketball and attend the games to support the team and the school. I am offended as a fan who has attended games my whole life and am disappointed you would humiliate those who choose to support this university. There is no reason why you, a fan, should discredit a student section that waits for hours to get into games and creates a great positive environment for our basketball team at our home games..
Ya Chili, you ... Stop posting until you come up with something intelligent/insightful to say.
I really don't see where you guys are coming from.
Chili has stated that if we can't fill the lower bowl, take away tickets. Why are you attacking him? If we can't I am 100% for taking it away. More rabid fans down low and spark a fire under some 'big game fans' asses.
Quote from: Chili on November 14, 2006, 11:15:03 PM
So show me where I said I wanted to move the entire student section to the upper level...
Look out Chili, you've apparently drawn the wrath of fans that have been following the team for *nearly* 3 years. :P
Actually, I'm just excited that we're nearly to our first 40 post thread, so that I can see if the option "Allow 'show all' option until thread goes beyond 40 posts" really works ;D
Quote from: Chili on November 14, 2006, 11:15:03 PM
If not, take 224 and make it season tickets so MU can get more revenue.
Actually it'd be 225, thats technically the student section. But the past two games it was for other teams' fans I'm guessing, or maybe just for anyone who wanted to buy those tickets. Yeah don't take away 224, that's a bad move. But 225, I actually have little problem with, only for these non-conference games though.
Quote from: marqptm on November 14, 2006, 11:35:29 PM
Chili has stated that if we can't fill the lower bowl, take away tickets. Why are you attacking him? If we can't I am 100% for taking it away. More rabid fans down low and spark a fire under some 'big game fans' asses.
So should we take away the tickets from the alumni that do not attend every game? I know all the alumni on this site want to relive their college days, but with all do respect this is the Student's team and you are writing on a student fourm. Let us enjoy the short time we have at Marquette as students, and as we become alumni ourselves we will support both the team and the Students section.
Are you drunk? Or has Marquette lowered the admissions levels? The alumni pay damn good money to be where they are. Students have nothing to rag on alumni about until each and every 4,000 is up cheering every game.
This is hardly a student forum...
Without the alumni you are looking at a Horizon League team...
Start respecting...
Look out Chili, you've apparently drawn the wrath of fans that have been following the team for *nearly* 3 years.
What a statement..trully wonderful. You have no idea what you and Chili are talking about. Nearly two years lets say two decades. I've seen the John Mueller's, the Brian Barone's, and the Jarod Lovette's and I am more proud than ever to be a part of a team that is seeing great success and development into a high caliber basketball program. I have seen Marquette's ups and downs as a team and am so grateful that students have become such a part of the team's success. Let me know when you have wiped the sweat of Brian Wardle and Anthony's Peiper's off the Bradley Center hardwood.
P.S. As fans of Marquette I do not understand why contention needs to exist as we all support the same team. Please reevaluate Chili.
Quote from: marqptm on November 15, 2006, 12:03:58 AM
Are you drunk? Or has Marquette lowered the admissions levels? The alumni pay damn good money to be where they are. Students have nothing to rag on alumni about until each and every 4,000 is up cheering every game.
This is hardly a student forum...
Without the alumni you are looking at a Horizon League team...
Start respecting...
Yes, the alumni pay good money for their seats, but the comment was about alumni attendance. Does every alum with tickets show up to every game? No. Why is that? Because they may not want to make the trip to the BC for a game against a lesser opponent. If you haven't caught on already, this is the exact same reason students don't make it out to every game. They too have other responsibilities like, oh ya, school, especially on weekdays. So quit bashing the students, we're all in the same boat. And we'll start talking respect when you stop being such a dick.
Lol...it's the neverending thread...
Quote from: Vanilla1840 on November 14, 2006, 11:51:15 PM
I know all the alumni on this site want to relive their college days, but with all do respect this is the Student's team and you are writing on a student fourm
Wow, you've really pegged the "old" alumni, they're just trying to live until tomorrow ;D
Quote from: rjm313 on November 15, 2006, 12:05:50 AM
You have no idea what you and Chili are talking about.
Actually, I think I have a pretty good idea what
I am talking about. Uh...yeah...I do, just double checked with myself. Just in case I didn't make myself clear...oh wait...I didn't...I was just laughing at the thread....
Chili doesn't have the power to take away tickets from students. Students don't have power to get better tickets from Marquette unless they start proving they can fill the seats they've already got. Debate it all you want, be my guest. That's why we're here. ;D
Quote from: marqptm on November 15, 2006, 12:03:58 AM
Are you drunk? Or has Marquette lowered the admissions levels? The alumni pay damn good money to be where they are. Students have nothing to rag on alumni about until each and every 4,000 is up cheering every game.
This is hardly a student forum...
Without the alumni you are looking at a Horizon League team...
Start respecting...
without students you are looking at no team. It is our peers, other student that are the ones out there playing.
Quote from: marqptm on November 15, 2006, 12:03:58 AM
Are you drunk? Or has Marquette lowered the admissions levels? The alumni pay damn good money to be where they are. Students have nothing to rag on alumni about until each and every 4,000 is up cheering every game.
This is hardly a student forum...
Without the alumni you are looking at a Horizon League team...
Start respecting...
I think we all need to just start respecting
eachother. Students deserve respect too. The team wouldn't be where it is without the alumni, and it wouldn't be where it is without the students supporting them. One isn't better than the other. The Bradley Center is set up just how it should be, and it seems to be working. Just because all the students aren't at every game doesn't mean the section should be moved/decreased in size.
We're paying a lot of money to go to college and it's not very encouraging to see some alumni complaining about us. Part of the reason Marquette is supposed to be such a great school is because of the great alumni support. So let's all just get along and be content with the seating arrangements, because they aren't going anywhere.
Agreed Pete.
This little pissing match is frustrating. The setup they have now works. That being said, more students need to show up... it's frustrating to hear excuses from other students when people like myself, and marqptm, and the other students here manage to work around it.
But the argument here shows a clear lack of perspective from some of the newer student posters. Without the season ticket holders, and more importantly the donations that come with it, the program does not go. I am not saying take a section away, but for anyone (not saying that is happening here) to ask for more lower level student seating is ridiculous.
All things considered, MU has pretty decent student fans for the most part. They show up, they are loud, and are beginning to get more organized, which believe me has been a process, one that I have been a part of since I got here.
Unlike a majority of the student posters here, I have history with MU basketball that goes well beyond my time here. I'm in my 18th full season of Marquette basketball, I have been going to home games since I was three years old. I remember what the BC was like with hardly any students, and the difference is night and day. But I am not going to overstate our importance either, by diminishing the importance of the season ticket holder's contributions like some have in this thread. We are both important parts of the program, each in different ways.
Quote from: Vanilla1840 on November 14, 2006, 11:51:15 PM
...and you are writing on a student forum...
hrm.. slight correction there.. this isn't a "student" forum... rocky and I are alum of *nearly* 10 years (I guess we'd fall into the "old" category if we must). further, the site is "for the fans, by the fans" which, yes, includes students but hardly constrains it to them.
I like to see the fire in discussions like this because lots of viewpoints are being shared. Let's continue to keep it civil. :)
I might as well jump into the fray.. I have no issues with chili's comments. Other's have said to do that just for the non-conference games and I disagree with that - if someone buys season tickets for a seat in that section they should get ALL the (home) games in that seat.
I'll bring up a parallel and related issue - what about reserving seats for us alum who would love to travel and see games there (and do) but end up wearing oxygen tanks in the top row of the uppers? And _I_ am one of those bunch considering I live in Dallas. Do I expect MU to reserve the seats? NO. In fact I would disagree with the strategy. It comes down to the fact that most alum who would travel to see games would do so mostly for the big ones only. What about the seats for the non-big games? I'd rather a season ticket holder book the seats for the entire year. Even if they may skip some of the minor games as well they have at least paid for the right to do so.
I DO however have an issue with MU saying "no ticket sales outside of WI and IL". What kinda b.s. is that?! I understand the desire to prevent the opposing team's fan base from buying up all the tickets and turning it into their own home game but to preclude the traveling alum as well is rather crappy PR (and actually IR - internal relations). I'd be happy to provide them with info to validate that I am an alum if that is what they need.
I think what is lost in all this, is Chili and I were discussing improving the student section.....sometimes addition happens by subtraction. But you guys just pounce on him for the take tickets away idea, not the seniority idea or attendence percentage concept.
Also, as Chili and I have both stated in this thread we managed to attend every game as students we'd like to see the current students do the same. Its all part of the college experience, and if you are really short on time....sacrifice posting on the board and go study so you can get to saturday's game. ;) ;D
We are all the same team in the end and want whats best for the team.....its a good thing we don't make the decisions though. :)
Interesting reading so far.
I wouldn't want to expand/shrink the student section, but I do think that instituting some sort of seniority/attendance program would increase overall student attendance (especially against lesser opponents) and have some students treat their tickets as more of a priveledge.
Also a note to student posters: Typically, you're not the students we are referring to when we make negative comments on the attendance, behavior of the student section. If you are involved in posting on this forum, chances are you're more into MU basketball than most and attend more games than most. We're just evaluating student fans objectively and making some blanket generalizations.
Easy tigers. I think it's safe to say a few things.
1. All of us here are rabid fans.
2. Rabid fans would like to see the non-rabid fans become rabid fans, and show up at the BC rain or shine and leave hoarse.
3. Students are an important part of the BC, while they don't bring revenue, they bring energy and make the game a true spectacle. It's easy to see that during xmas break, it's just not as fun to go to games (for us STHs)
4. No one wants to eliminate the students in the lower bowl. At best, we're discussing tweaking a section here or there, rules about seniority and how good student fans belong downstairs.
5. I also think there's a higher level theme from us alumni to advise the students about something .. college is the best time of your life. About 8 minutes after you leave college, no one will care what your GPA was. Once you're out of school you'll wish you were back, and wish you would have gone to more games, ate more pizza, did more naked beer slides.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 15, 2006, 08:30:50 AM
About 8 minutes after you leave college, no one will care what your GPA was.
Unless, of course, you're trying to get into grad school :-\ But that's for another discussion...
Completely agree with the rest of the post ;D