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Title: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on January 27, 2011, 10:42:03 PM
Nice article in SI from 1972 about Marquette's victory over South Carolina, a game that featured a nice fight

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1085704/index.htm (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1085704/index.htm)

"the game had grown extremely physical, until three minutes into the second half the muscling got out of hand. As Marquette's Bob Lackey and the Gamecocks' Tom Riker struggled for the ball, the guns went off. Lackey elbowed Riker in the neck; Riker flashed a left cross on Lackey's side-whiskers. Within moments several brawls had broken out—one featuring Chones against heavyweight Danny Traylor. "Let's stay out of this," Traylor said to Chones. "Can't do it," said Chones. "My man's in trouble." Then Chones opened a nasty cut under Traylor's eye.

Frank McGuire was in the middle of the floor, bodies whizzing past him, but Al McGuire remained on his bench with his reserve players. "A waltz," he was to say later. "A bar-hall bouncer wouldn't take his coat off for this one."

After a good three minutes of heavy punching on both sides, order was restored; immediately a hefty South Carolina state trooper charged the Marquette bench and went after Lackey. The Warriors' Larry McNeill grabbed a chair, but he and everybody else were finally restrained. Lackey and Riker were removed from the contest.

"The dude sucker-punched me," said Lackey. "Then they throw me out. If I'm leavin', I want some action."



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1085704/1/index.htm#ixzz1CIlxJRqx
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 27, 2011, 10:49:09 PM
How appropriate...

The Black Swan...from "The Pacific"

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They came together on the streets of the big city, at St. John's in 1947, Frank off a Greenwich Village block around the corner from Gene Tunney's house, Al from the beaches of Rockaway. It was Frank's first college coaching job and Al was a freshman player. When the youngest McGuire  reached the varsity the following year, his brother Dick was already there, and the three McGuires combined to produce a strong team flavored by Dick's passing and Al's flair for lunacy. In the three years Al played for Frank, the Redmen went to three NITs, one NCAA  and, contrary to belief, not one mental institution.

Frank McGuire's glory years were to come after he and Al parted ways. The year following Al's graduation, Frank coached St. John's to the NCAA finals, losing to Kansas in a game that Al listened to while on the road as a pro with the New York Knicks. Five years later Al was working in a sewer in Long Island City when the national finals came around again. This time Frank, then at North Carolina, defeated Kansas in triple overtime for the championship.

Within months Al was in North Carolina, too—at little Belmont Abbey College outside Charlotte where Frank had recommended him to the Benedictine monks. For the next few years, while Frank was rampaging through the ACC, Al withstood the perils of Belmont Abbey. "I thought he would leave me there forever to die in a monastery," Al said. But Frank bailed him out again, this time to Marquette, whose Jesuit fathers had offered him their coaching job.

So in 1964 Marquette got Al, the same year that South Carolina got Frank. Which is why it all came down to the flesh-and-blood confrontation last week in Columbia.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1085704/2/index.htm#ixzz1CIrHy2FS

AMAZING...
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: ecompt on January 28, 2011, 08:39:36 AM
I remember that game as if it was yesterday.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on January 28, 2011, 08:41:48 AM
in today's world of tight restrictions on foul play, how many suspensions would have been added out after that game?

Also, at the time, wasn't South Carolina one of the schools that played on a tartan surface court. I think Dayton's court was a tartan court also.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on January 28, 2011, 08:58:11 AM
That is one game that I will never forget. It was much more than a basketball fight. That happened today it would lead to massive suspensions and more. It was out of control.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on January 28, 2011, 09:30:21 AM
Found a photo of lackey and riker fighting, love the cheerleader gasping on the baseline. Marquette was ranked #2 behind UCLA at the time.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=y3sfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NVMEAAAAIBAJ&dq=marquette&pg=7236%2C3738920
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: GGGG on January 28, 2011, 09:38:33 AM
I never knew about this game.  Thanks for posting this though.  I miss those days of SI when I would wait all week to have it come in the mail and read it cover to cover in about two hours.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on January 28, 2011, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: Goose on January 28, 2011, 08:58:11 AM
That is one game that I will never forget. It was much more than a basketball fight. That happened today it would lead to massive suspensions and more. It was out of control.

Plus it was on a Sunday and nationally televised
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: BrewCity83 on January 28, 2011, 09:52:13 AM
Looks from the picture like the Warriors were wearing their light blue uni's that inspired the current ones!
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on January 28, 2011, 09:57:49 AM
Quote from: BrewCity on January 28, 2011, 09:52:13 AM
Looks from the picture like the Warriors were wearing their light blue uni's that inspired the current ones!

yup 1971-72 road jersey

http://wiki.muscoop.com/lib/exe/detail.php/the_marquette_jersey_project/7174road.jpg?id=the_marquette_jersey_project%3Astart
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 77fan88warrior on January 28, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
Quote from: groove on January 28, 2011, 09:30:21 AM
Found a photo of lackey and riker fighting, love the cheerleader gasping on the baseline. Marquette was ranked #2 behind UCLA at the time.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=y3sfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NVMEAAAAIBAJ&dq=marquette&pg=7236%2C3738920

Check out the Russ Franke article in which there is a tidbit about Notre Dame players pressing mustard packets into MU players hands during post game hand shakes. They felt MU players were overdoing handshakes during the course of a 64 game home winning streak.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 28, 2011, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: ecompt on January 28, 2011, 08:39:36 AM
I remember that game as if it was yesterday.


'member the Gamecocks band playing the National Anthem during the fight to settle down the crowd?
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 28, 2011, 01:20:51 PM
Quote from: 77fan88warrior on January 28, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
Check out the Russ Franke article in which there is a tidbit about Notre Dame players pressing mustard packets into MU players hands during post game hand shakes. They felt MU players were overdoing handshakes during the course of a 64 game home winning streak.


Yep, Johnny Dee thought Brell and Co. were hotdogging it.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Nukem2 on January 28, 2011, 01:21:48 PM
Quote from: ecompt on January 28, 2011, 08:39:36 AM
I remember that game as if it was yesterday.
+1
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 28, 2011, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: groove on January 28, 2011, 09:30:21 AM
Found a photo of lackey and riker fighting, love the cheerleader gasping on the baseline. Marquette was ranked #2 behind UCLA at the time.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=y3sfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NVMEAAAAIBAJ&dq=marquette&pg=7236%2C3738920

Riker with his hands out like a girl.

Is that Chones running in?
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: willie warrior on January 28, 2011, 03:15:17 PM
The Black Swan was awesome!
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on January 28, 2011, 03:17:15 PM
No that is Marcus Washington. Although according to the SI story Chones got involved with another player

>Within moments several brawls had broken out—one featuring Chones against heavyweight Danny Traylor. "Let's stay out of this," Traylor said to Chones. "Can't do it," said Chones. "My man's in trouble." Then Chones opened a nasty cut under Traylor's eye.>

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1085704/1/index.htm#ixzz1CMoa2fYw
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on January 28, 2011, 03:23:39 PM
When they played the national anthem it actually freaked me. I never have seen or heard national anthem played a second time at a game.

Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on January 28, 2011, 03:27:23 PM
At the time was Marquette looked at as a thug type of program by the rest of the country. Obviously south of the mason-dixon line there was the obvious racism going on, as shown whenever Marquette played Kentucky in the late 60s. But what about the rest of the country.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: tower912 on January 28, 2011, 04:39:55 PM
Can you imagine the internet message boards and sports talk radio if something like this happened today?
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: DoggyDaddy on January 28, 2011, 05:04:59 PM
This was one of the first nationally televised games for MU with one of their finest teams. 7' Jim Chones, 6'9 Larry MacNeil, and 6'6'' all muscle Bob Lackey were the front line. Lackey was much like Jae Crowder, muscular with a nice shooting touch. He looked tough with long black sideburns. We loved the Black Swan. The Warriors broke out brand-new uniforms no one saw before. They were a stunning irridescent teal, not baby blue.  SC was an all white team as were most of the ACC teams back then. SC had just left the ACC the previous year and Frank asked Al for game to compensate the loss of North Carolina on the schedule. 
The fight was amazing, it just kept going. They never played each other again. A shame.         
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on January 28, 2011, 05:36:19 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2011, 04:39:55 PM
Can you imagine the internet message boards and sports talk radio if something like this happened today?

Yeah. Sunday afternoon, nationally televised game, 2nd ranked team in the nation, 18 minute brawl. one point game. ESPN would have wall to wall coverage and replays for the next 24 hours. Dickie V and the talking heads would be calling for NCAA action of some type.

I'm assuming the teams on the remainder of Marquette's schedule were a tad intimidated.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on January 28, 2011, 05:46:09 PM
wow, just found a great article in the Milwaukee Journal from a few days after the game. MU had won 50 of their last 51 games with that win. I didn't know South Carolina was fourth ranked. Lackey had stitches, Riker got a chip fracture in his hand. Marcus Washington was floored three times in two minutes.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=SXYfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=lCgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1476%2C507498

damn, wish someone had video.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: MU86NC on January 28, 2011, 07:35:53 PM
For all you losers crying about poor, poor pitiful me "we're 4 and 4", "we need a new coach" take a step back and enjoy this great Marquette moment in 1972!  I hope all you whiney f*cks within 100 miles of Milwaukee are at the game supporting your team tomorrow - because as a fan thats all you can do to influence the game!  Go Warriors...
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: texaswarrior74 on January 28, 2011, 09:25:35 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 28, 2011, 01:20:51 PM

Yep, Johnny Dee thought Brell and Co. were hotdogging it.

I was at MU at the time and was at the game; I remember it very very differently. Gary (Goose) Brell had a nervous condition that caused him to move around during the National Anthem and Johnny Dee, not knowing this, openly criticized Brell calling him a hot dog with no respect...it was written up in both the Journal and Sentinel.

The next time that MU played ND  no one but Al and Brell knew that Al had given him a mustard packet for the player introductions...(remember as the players were being introduced Al had them shake hands with the opposing coach before going to the floor to shake hands with their opposing player) ...anyhow...when Brell was introduced he ran over and palmed a mustard packet into Dee's hand and said something like "how about some mustard from your hotdog"...Dee reacted strangely and everyone in the Arena wondered what had gone on.....only to find out the next day in the game article.....in the meantime Brell went out and had a big game.

This was a home game but Al was the master of all coaches at trying to take away another team's home court advantage....he just used it at the arena that nite....
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: texaswarrior74 on January 28, 2011, 09:53:11 PM
Quote from: groove on January 28, 2011, 05:36:19 PMsaw U
Yeah. Sunday afternoon, nationally televised game, 2nd ranked team in the nation, 18 minute brawl. one point game. ESPN would have wall to wall coverage and replays for the next 24 hours. Dickie V and the talking heads would be calling for NCAA action of some type.

I'm assuming the teams on the remainder of Marquette's schedule were a tad intimidated.

That was an amazing year....Allie was on the cover of the Feb 21 Sports illustrated.as " The Man Who Makes Marquette Go".....we camped out all night for season tickets...saw some great games,  but the SC game was one of the most memorable. We were 21-0 and ranked either # 1 or #2 when Jim Chones left for the ABA ...then U of Detroit stopped our 56 game winning streak........we lost to New Mexico State a week later, beat Ohio U in the first round of the NCAA and lost to Kentucky in the Sweet 16....had Chones stayed we'd have been playing UCLA for the Championship....
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: DoggyDaddy on January 29, 2011, 03:16:54 PM
Those were the days when freshmen could not play varsity. Maurice Lucas was a freshman that year and thus could not spell or replace Chones when he left.  We always wondered what would have happened had he played with this great group.  Sixth man George Frazier replaced Chones or rather took the fifth starting spot with the lean MacNeil moving to the post.  Not the same team but still a good one.  I remember Frazier beating Tennesee with a long jumper at the end of regulation in Knoxville and he was not known as a great  shooter. 
I have a photo of Chones and Lucas sitting together at the old Arena. I have it sitting in a box somewhere...I know it's there...I will find it....I know I will...I'm going to the basement to look again...       
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: CHARLEY2017 on March 26, 2011, 04:12:52 PM
I think Marquette lost to Florida State in the 1972 tournament. I saw the Warriors hammer Ohio in Knoxville and the Seminoles edge Eastern Kentucky in the 2nd game. It was Florida State that went on to beat Kentucky and Marquette after. They lost the chamionship game to UCLA by only five.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Warriors4ever on March 26, 2011, 06:12:25 PM
Actually, Kentucky beat us and then lost to Florida State.  Those games were in Dayton, I was a freshman and traveled there (my first NCAA tourney), and just double-checked my
recollection, to be sure.
I still have that issue of Sports Illustrated with Allie on the cover.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: RealChiliWarrior on March 27, 2011, 12:30:57 AM
Quote from: DoggyDaddy on January 28, 2011, 05:04:59 PM
This was one of the first nationally televised games for MU with one of their finest teams. 7' Jim Chones, 6'9 Larry MacNeil, and 6'6'' all muscle Bob Lackey were the front line. Lackey was much like Jae Crowder, muscular with a nice shooting touch. He looked tough with long black sideburns. We loved the Black Swan. The Warriors broke out brand-new uniforms no one saw before. They were a stunning irridescent teal, not baby blue.  SC was an all white team as were most of the ACC teams back then. SC had just left the ACC the previous year and Frank asked Al for game to compensate the loss of North Carolina on the schedule. 
The fight was amazing, it just kept going. They never played each other again. A shame.         


I recall seeing SC at the Arena during my four years 72-76.   The SC roster included B. Winters, K. Joyce, A. English, and M. Dunleavy.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2011, 06:52:09 AM
Quote from: RealChiliWarrior on March 27, 2011, 12:30:57 AM

I recall seeing SC at the Arena during my four years 72-76.   The SC roster included B. Winters, K. Joyce, A. English, and M. Dunleavy.


Yes, as per usual, we kicked their asses.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: oldwarrior81 on March 27, 2011, 09:38:34 AM
Chones' recollection of the fight:

"For starters, the two coaches, Al and Frank McGuire, didn't like each other very much. You know what it is like when two Irish guys don't like each other, they don't hold back. As for the game, we didn't get a call for probably three quarters. They also had a 6-11 left hander who was just the enforcer in the ACC. I think his name was Richert or something. The entire South Carolina team just beat up other teams. Dean Smith even petitioned the league to put an end to it. So they had a huge team. They were very skilled too. There were cheap shots flying during the game like the kind that we would only see on the playground.

I will never forget it. Bob Lackey was on the free throw line and Richert took the ball and threw it at Lackey after he made his first free throw. Immediately after that, Lackey looked at Al and Al didn't move. He was just sitting on the bench with his legs crossed. We all knew what that meant. Lackey picked the ball up and drilled Richert in the face. All of a sudden, there were people all over the floor and the two teams were fighting.

In the middle of the fight, Danny Traylor looks at me and was probably thinking, "He looks pretty skinny, I'll go after him." I actually got the guy pretty good. I popped him right in the chin actually. Soon after that, a security guard from the arena peeled me off of him. This guard opened his jacket and pulled out a gun on me and then, I knew the fight was over. But we whipped the (junk) out of them. The fans kept calling us racial names because we were mostly black and they didn't have any black players. That was the times, you know? Through all of this, Al was still sitting on the bench with his legs crossed. Al finally got up and took all of us off of the floor and into the locker room. They already had all of our things packed in our bags and instead of staying over night, they told us we were getting out of South Carolina as soon as we could. It was incredible
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on March 27, 2011, 09:55:43 AM
Here is the Allie McGuire cover SI

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/cover/featured/8268/index.htm
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on March 27, 2011, 02:05:04 PM
I would love to see some of these old games. Other than the 1977 NCAA title game, anybody have access to or know of any games in the 1969-1977 range available anywhere?
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2011, 02:23:52 PM
I can probably tell you about each one of those games from memory.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2011, 02:27:02 PM
4everwarriors--What was toughest loss for you during that time period? Loss to Ohio State in '72 and Indiana in '76 were toughest for me.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2011, 02:54:20 PM
Quote from: Goose on March 27, 2011, 02:27:02 PM
4everwarriors--What was toughest loss for you during that time period? Loss to Ohio State in '72 and Indiana in '76 were toughest for me.


Gary, any time we lost in the Tourney was a bitch. Was at both the above games, and I think losing in Athens to tOSU was devastating. Had a legit national championship team that season and I always wanted to see the Warriors match up with UCLA.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2011, 02:56:09 PM
4everWarriors--Always wanted MU-UCLA matchup as well. I think the team that lost to OSU was our best team ever. Agreed on every NCAA loss hurting. Those two jump out to me as being ball busters though.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2011, 03:00:29 PM
Was also at the ND game when the Iceman cut our heart out and busted the home winning streak. Another stiff kick to the heritage.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2011, 03:02:21 PM
Was at the ND home loss and cried all the way to the car. The silence outside Arena after game was surreal. Make matters worse it was a rare day game and my tears to seen by everyone.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2011, 03:03:07 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2011, 02:54:20 PM

Gary, any time we lost in the Tourney was a bitch. Was at both the above games, and I think losing in Athens to tOSU was devastating. Had a legit national championship team that season and I always wanted to see the Warriors match up with UCLA.

The tOSU losss was the toughest for me.  I agree, very legitimate championship aspirations.  Another to me was '78 and the loss to Miami of Ohio.  Interestingly, both of those games had officials determine the outcome - the only time the Dream ever fouled out and the only T in Hank's career.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2011, 03:06:50 PM
MuMac--The refs were big in both games. Miami of Ohio hurt to me because we lost to a team that we never would have lost to in Al era. Earlier that year we were ranked #1 and lost at Loyola. Never would happen under Al. The run was over for me after Miami loss.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2011, 03:10:07 PM
Overall, the memories of some marvelous victories are forever etched in my mind. The young'uns on this board can't nearly comprehend, nor can I possibly accurately convene the thrill, emotion, excitement, and tradition of what was Marquette Warrior basketball.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2011, 03:12:50 PM
4everWarriors---You said it!! It was bigger than the young fans would ever know. Glad to know I am not the only freak that still has those memories fresh in my mind.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2011, 03:13:22 PM
Quote from: Goose on March 27, 2011, 03:06:50 PM
MuMac--The refs were big in both games. Miami of Ohio hurt to me because we lost to a team that we never would have lost to in Al era. Earlier that year we were ranked #1 and lost at Loyola. Never would happen under Al. The run was over for me after Miami loss.

For me, the signal that ended the Al era was when we lost to De Paul in the tourney.  MU had the lead, and lost it.  That was bad enough, but watching De Paul beat us twice that year and with players who likely would have been at MU if Al stayed was a kick to the groin.

I agree that Al does not lose the Miami of Ohio game.  I really wanted to see the matchup against Kentucky the next round.  1 v 2 early in the tournament (pre seeding).  I would not have picked against MU in that game.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2011, 03:16:59 PM
De Paul did beat MU with our players. It really is amazing that Al could recruit the players he did with all the challenges MU faces--just kidding.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2011, 03:18:35 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2011, 03:10:07 PM
Overall, the memories of some marvelous victories are forever etched in my mind. The young'uns on this board can't nearly comprehend, nor can I possibly accurately convene the thrill, emotion, excitement, and tradition of what was Marquette Warrior basketball.


One of my greatest memories was in '74 to beat Michigan and Cazzy Russel in the Elite 8.  Al finally get's to the Final 4.  After all the heartache, early departures (when that was an exception, not the norm), the NIT instead of the NCAA ...  That was quite a run, with Al.  You are correct, those victories are etched in my memory
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2011, 03:24:10 PM
MuMac---Wish UCLA had beaten NCState in '74. We had better chance to win, I think, and MU-UCLA for all the marbles would have been something else.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2011, 03:27:31 PM
I believe the game vs Michigan was with Campy Russell. Eddie Daniels came up big in a reserve role. Again, I was there.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2011, 03:31:42 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 27, 2011, 03:27:31 PM
I believe the game vs Michigan was with Campy Russell. Eddie Daniels came up big in a reserve role. Again, I was there.

After I posted, it hit me it was Campy.  For some reason, my mind always interchanges those two.

Unfortunately, I was at the Miami Ohio game.   :o
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: MUMac on March 27, 2011, 03:36:20 PM
Quote from: Goose on March 27, 2011, 03:24:10 PM
MuMac---Wish UCLA had beaten NCState in '74. We had better chance to win, I think, and MU-UCLA for all the marbles would have been something else.

Agree on both fronts.  I really wanted UCLA for both reasons - better matchup, especially in Greensboro, and finally get a chance to play UCLA.

For the youngun's, back then the tourney was truly regionalized.  MU was always in the toughest region - Kentucky, Big 10 champ ...  UCLA was in the weakest and had an easy road to the Final 4.  I always wanted Al to get his shot against UCLA.  Unfortunately, it was to never happen.

To also put it in perspective, UCLA had the best decade ever in college basketball in the '70's.  MU had the 3rd best decade ever also in the '70's.  Yet, the two never met.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on March 27, 2011, 05:50:22 PM
Found the 1074 final four highlight film on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMtGTxKpOz8

that's the first part of three. You can get the other two parts from there.

Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2011, 06:34:36 PM
Nice grove. Boy that was a long time ago ;D
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on March 28, 2011, 09:17:23 PM
Doesnt marquette have a film archive of some of these games. I seem to remember seeing a list that you could search on one of the mu site pages.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on March 28, 2011, 11:52:14 PM
No vintage warrior video out there?
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 29, 2011, 06:28:25 AM
Remember that Sun. afternoon game really well also - got too pumped over the fight and couldn't study any more that day.
I thought the deal with Brell was that he wouldn't look at the flag during the anthem - Viet Nam related?
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on March 29, 2011, 07:14:32 AM
Quote from: groove on March 27, 2011, 05:50:22 PM
Found the 1074 final four highlight film on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMtGTxKpOz8

that's the first part of three. You can get the other two parts from there.



Although he blew the NC, both of Al's T's were legit gripes. 
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on March 29, 2011, 07:17:36 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 29, 2011, 07:14:32 AM
Although he blew the NC, both of Al's T's were legit gripes. 

Yeah, that offensive foul was horrendous.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: MUMac on March 29, 2011, 07:44:51 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 29, 2011, 07:14:32 AM
Although he blew the NC, both of Al's T's were legit gripes. 

Still remember the give and take between Al and Lucas.  Maurice said to Al that he cost them the championship.  Al said back that they wouldn't have been there if not for Al.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: groove on March 29, 2011, 08:20:15 AM
Not as much give and take as there was between Toone and Al three years later :)
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: MUMac on March 29, 2011, 08:36:54 AM
Quote from: groove on March 29, 2011, 08:20:15 AM
Not as much give and take as there was between Toone and Al three years later :)

That is correct.  Bo also walked out a few times and Al had to talk him back, but likely not as "feisty" as Luke or Bernard!

Imagine the message boards today if Al were the coach?  My, the drama was constant at times.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 29, 2011, 09:06:04 AM
I firmly believe that Al's T's against NCState were to take pressure off the team. We were in an almost no-win environment that night. The T's pissed me off at the time as time passed I learned to appreciate them.

Now the T's again in Indiana in '76 are another story. We were in very tough spot that day, but I still believe we could have won that game.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: leever on March 29, 2011, 11:14:56 AM
Anyone recall an exchange between George "sugar" Frazier and Al regarding playing time?  Seems to me thatFrazier approached Al and asked why he either wasn't starting or wasn't getting more playing time because he felt he was as good as Allie.  I think Al's response was something like "Yes, you are just as good as Allie, but Allie's my son, so you'll need to be a lot better than him to play more / start.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 29, 2011, 11:20:23 AM
Leever---Al was a tad more blunt with "Sugar" on the topic. Several different versions of what was exactly said have surfaced over the years. Allie was a solid player and I learned to like his game a great deal.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: leever on March 29, 2011, 01:57:25 PM
Thanks Goose!  And I'm sure he was more blunt!  Also, agreed on Allie.  He was definitely not playing just because he was the coaches son.  Solid, if unspectacular.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Earl Tatum on March 30, 2011, 11:56:56 AM
 ::) :D ;) :)
The one South Carolina-Marquette game I remember was civilized. MU had  like five fouls called on them in the opening 2 minutes. SC had Alex English, Brian Winters, Mike Dunleavy.
Al called time -- hollered at the ref  "This is my place you can't do that". The game turned
around and MU won in a rout.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: MUFC9295 on March 12, 2017, 06:35:03 PM
my bad... its been a while.  ignore.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 12, 2017, 06:42:42 PM
4ever
The national anthem will be in mind forever. I was 9 years old and wanted to jump through TV and join the fight. When they played national anthem I knew it was bigger than a ball fight. Another life lesson learned by being an Al and MU fan.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 12, 2017, 07:09:29 PM
The thing that always made me laugh was: Al was just sitting on the bench with his legs crossed, and we all knew what that meant.

Did Al have a signal for "Let's beat the crap out of them"? Funny.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 12, 2017, 09:14:04 PM
We need Lackey to beat da chit outta some 'Cocks, ai na?
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: MU82 on March 12, 2017, 11:22:54 PM
Quote from: MUMac on March 27, 2011, 03:13:22 PM
For me, the signal that ended the Al era was when we lost to De Paul in the tourney.  MU had the lead, and lost it.  That was bad enough, but watching De Paul beat us twice that year and with players who likely would have been at MU if Al stayed was a kick to the groin.


This was my freshman year, so I wasn't at MU for Al. I knew about him, of course, but not as well as Goose, 4ever and others a bit older than me. My loss (although I'm not sad I'm younger - ha!).

That DePaul loss was a killer. We effen had 'em. 8 point lead and the ball. Sam throws a long pass just out of Toone's reach. If they connect, it's a dunk, a 10-point lead and we take the air out of the ball, making it difficult for DePaul to come back. Instead, we choke away the lead and DePaul goes on to play in one of the more memorable Final Fours - the one with Bird and Magic!
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Goose on March 13, 2017, 02:41:45 AM
MU82

You actually appear to be several years older than I am. I started at MU in '81. I started going to games in '67, the year my parents started getting season tickets.
IMO, the Al era ended on a rainy, late March evening in 1977.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: #UnleashSean on March 13, 2017, 06:41:30 AM
Huh weird never knew you could leave in the middle of the season for the aba
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: muwarrior69 on March 13, 2017, 11:15:27 AM
Quote from: groove on January 28, 2011, 09:47:23 AM
Plus it was on a Sunday and nationally televised

TVS, Television Sports Network, usually syndicated on one of the local independent channels. Living in New Jersey I would check their schedule to see how many MU games I would get to see, priceless.

Just curious, how many MU games were televised in Milwaukee back in the 70s?
I got my share of Princeton/Penn and St. Johns games here Jersey.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: LloydsLegs on March 13, 2017, 12:35:42 PM
Best.  Thread.  Ever. 

Don't stop fellas; keep educated the youngins (including this member of the class of '86).
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on March 13, 2017, 12:40:18 PM
Can't wait till we play them in the big dance. thanks to Al we call it the big dance
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: MU82 on March 13, 2017, 01:09:01 PM
Quote from: Goose on March 13, 2017, 02:41:45 AM
MU82

You actually appear to be several years older than I am. I started at MU in '81. I started going to games in '67, the year my parents started getting season tickets.
IMO, the Al era ended on a rainy, late March evening in 1977.

My apologies, Goose. You only talk older than I do - ha!
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: i71_dawg on March 13, 2017, 01:11:03 PM
Really enjoy reading the memories and old stories from the 60's, 70's and early 80's.

These sorts of threads of so entertaining for those of us that weren't at MU until the 90's or 2000's.

This is just another example of why getting to the tournament is so important...brings back memories and reminds us of our tradition and our great teams of the past!

Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 13, 2017, 07:36:18 PM
Bring it, y'all, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: Earl Tatum on March 13, 2017, 08:32:12 PM
Can't remember the year--butSC had Brian Winters, Alex English and Mike
Dunleavy and we pounded them. SC was coached by Frank McGuire and MU had Al. One thing i remember is when MU had 3 or 4 fouls in the
first minute, Al called time and let go with a phrase" Hey Jim (Ref)  you can't do that, this is my place." (Mecca) Game changed.
We were 4 rows behind the MU bench.
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: 4everwarriors on March 13, 2017, 09:18:17 PM
I'm tinkin' that was January 1973, ai na?
Title: Re: Marquette-South Carolina 1972
Post by: ecompt on March 13, 2017, 09:55:02 PM
Quote from: 77fan88warrior on January 28, 2011, 11:44:46 AM
Check out the Russ Franke article in which there is a tidbit about Notre Dame players pressing mustard packets into MU players hands during post game hand shakes. They felt MU players were overdoing handshakes during the course of a 64 game home winning streak.

I think he had that wrong. ND coach Johnny Dee did it before his last game in MKE when MU players came over to shake hands. He later said it was "mustard for some hot dogs.".
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