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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: texaswarrior74 on January 23, 2011, 07:46:15 PM
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“Coach Roy [Williams] was out here today,” he said. “Besides Coach Bo [Ryan] from Wisconsin I’ve talked to Coach Roy more than anybody, which has been awesome. I love Coach. He’s a great dude. We have a great relationship.”
“We just talk all the time,” Tokoto added. “We rarely talk about basketball stuff when he calls. We just talk about life.”
Tokoto said North Carolina had done a great job recruiting him and he gets a good vibe from not only their coaching staff, but also their players.
“I get there and it’s a home feeling,” Tokoto said. “It’s really great and the history of the program speaks for itself and Coach Roy is an awesome guy.”
“I’ve hung out with the team and they seem like cool dudes and I have family down there,” he added. “If I really want to go out of state, that’s definitely where I’d look at. ......
.....Tokoto is planning another visit to UNC in mid-February. He also plans to visit Duke while in North Carolina. The family has yet to set an exact date. He also has intentions of visiting other schools.
“We are talking about going to UCLA and go to Duke, UNC, Wisconsin, Marquette and we’ve talked about Stanford and Kentucky.”
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Game, set, match.
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Sounds bad, but what is he quoting from? A UNC source?
Also the "besides Coach Bo" comment raised my eyebrows.
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Quoting from Scout.com
Think the "if I go out of state" is important because he realizes that he has a viable in state option as well.....just hope it's MU and not Bucky.....if he doesn't pick MU would rather he go to UNC than Bucky or dook though....
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Wisconsin or UNC
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Wisconsin or UNC
BINGO
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Funny he calls them Coach Roy and Coach Bo....as that is a moniker often used to reference Buzz. Rarely has Buzz ever been referred to as Coach Williams...seems he's gotten in the habit of calling someone Coach First Name - wonder where that evolved from..
Just my thoughts as the wife of Buzz Williams,
Corey Williams
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Nc campus' are beautiful, but he won't play much there.
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Funny he calls them Coach Roy and Coach Bo....as that is a moniker often used to reference Buzz. Rarely has Buzz ever been referred to as Coach Williams...seems he's gotten in the habit of calling someone Coach First Name - wonder where that evolved from..
Just my thoughts as the wife of Buzz Williams,
Corey Williams
And calling William Ryan "Bo" as a player is disrespectful and grounds for trashing the kid when he picks UNC.
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Wisconsin or UNC
I think MU is higher in the field. If he stays in state I think he comes here. He really wants to go to a school that has a good business program
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Nc campus' are beautiful, but he won't play much there.
based on what????????????????????
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I think MU is higher in the field. If he stays in state I think he comes here. He really wants to go to a school that has a good business program
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Ah, and UW doesn't? How do people make this sh*t up?
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I think MU is higher in the field. If he stays in state I think he comes here. He really wants to go to a school that has a good business program
Seriously, if he picks a school, even if it is MU, because it has a good business school, I don't want him. I want him because he picks a program that he thinks will best help prepare him for a career in the NBA.
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I think MU is higher in the field. If he stays in state I think he comes here. He really wants to go to a school that has a good business program
Ari, UW just finished a brand new college of business building a few years ago. State of the art everything. Think our new law school, only a building for people who contribute to society above and beyond that of ambulance chasers. ;)
Meanwhile, Marquette's college of business building is straight out of the 1950's and the business faculty have their offices in former broom closets.
- Signed, a former undergrad Arts & Sciences major.
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I think MU is higher in the field. If he stays in state I think he comes here. He really wants to go to a school that has a good business program
UW-madison doesn't have a good business program?
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Nc campus' are beautiful, but he won't play much there.
Guess again...Roy LOVES him....he was the first recruit called and offered when Roy started offering 2012 recruits...and he made sure that JP knew it...
Roy still abides (one of the few) by the NABC request that coaches not offer until June 15 AFTER their sophomore year. He called JP at 12:01 AM on the 15th with the offer.
And...Kenan Flagler School of Business is ranked higher than any of the others....FWIW.
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lets ignore warrior07's general bitterness, because he's like an angry 40 year old man, I'm not saying UW has a bad school. I sort of meant that as two separate comments. A)I think if he stays in state he comes here. B) he wants to go to a university with a good business school
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I just don't see it. He will play more under Bo then at MU early on due to depth at the position. With the number of underclassmen stuck on the bench right now at MU, I can't imagine that sits well with Tokoto either, but who knows what any of these kids think these days.
Personally I think he goes to UNC because if you have a chance to play your college career at UNC, you go to UNC. I wish him well in whatever he decides and certainly hope it's MU, but it would surprise me.
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With the number of underclassmen stuck on the bench right now at MU, I can't imagine that sits well with Tokoto either, but who knows what any of these kids think these days.
How many underclassmen on our bench are as good as him?
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UW-madison doesn't have a good business program?
Actually, it ain't sh1t compared to Harvard Business School. In fact, it doesn't even rank with my other alma mater, Michigan. I am floored as to why the idiots in Madison rate their school so highly.
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based on what????????????????????
Classic marshall Williams case
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How many underclassmen on our bench are as good as him?
I suppose a lot of that will depend if some of the kids we have on the bench right now ever see the light of day. Same for the ones coming in next year. There are some highly rated prospects if you believe in the ratings systems (which I am not wild about) which aren't playing. One would assume they play next year and beyond which would mean a log jam at those positions. I know Buzz says he wants switchables that he can run in and out with a deep rotation, but in reality that's not what we have seen from Buzz.
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Actually, it ain't sh1t compared to Harvard Business School. In fact, it doesn't even rank with my other alma mater, Michigan. I am floored as to why the idiots in Madison rate their school so highly.
Michigan has a better business school than UW-madison, no question. But Madison's is better than MU's which is what the comparison was. I think Tokoto is interested in Stanford (#1 business school) and UCLA (top 15 as well). North Carolina's is ranked ahead of Madison's as well.
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Stanford is ripe...
The Pac-10 continues to wallow in the wake of early defections and imbalance in sports (Oregon in FB, Stanford in gymnastics, etc.).
If there ever was a school to head to so he could be an immediate impact player AND get a great education along with a globally solid pedigree, it'll be Stanford.
But, he could endure a coaching change and possibly some transfers out of the program if Dawkins can't pull it together...
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going to NBA > business school.
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Looking more bleak each day. Time to move on and land a big in Otule's caliber to keep Sultan happy.
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Ari, UW just finished a brand new college of business building a few years ago. State of the art everything. Think our new law school, only a building for people who contribute to society above and beyond that of ambulance chasers. ;)
Meanwhile, Marquette's college of business building is straight out of the 1950's and the business faculty have their offices in former broom closets.
- Signed, a former undergrad Arts & Sciences major.
I'm guessing you're unemployed 07?
If JP's going to business school, and doesn't go to NC, maybe he should play for Tan Tommy. I-4 has a great business school.
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I'm guessing you're unemployed 07?
If JP's going to business school, and doesn't go to NC, maybe he should play for Tan Tommy. I-4 has a great business school.
Nope, very happily employed. Moreso thanks to my MS than my BA.
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If JP goes to MU, UW, UNC or Duke, he will be getting a fine business degree that will place him in a position to succeed after graduation even if he doesn't make the NBA. These discussions over rankings are not really all that relevant.
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Hopefully this won't cause anyone here to question my love for Marquette's program, but if my son had the options Tokoto has (a man's got to dream, right), I'd have a hard time pushing him too hard to go to Marquette. Make no mistake, I would push a little, but not too hard. This kid has great options, and as much of a homer as I am, I can't honestly say that I think Marquette is his best option. I hope he comes, but I'd be totally shocked.
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Hopefully this won't cause anyone here to question my love for Marquette's program, but if my son had the options Tokoto has (a man's got to dream, right), I'd have a hard time pushing him too hard to go to Marquette. Make no mistake, I would push a little, but not too hard. This kid has great options, and as much of a homer as I am, I can't honestly say that I think Marquette is his best option. I hope he comes, but I'd be totally shocked.
Makes perfect sense. The reasons you chose to come to MU, and may have been a good fit for you, doesn't mean that the same will hold true for your children.
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I agree that what is right for us (MU Grads or current students) may not be right for our kids.
But, why is UNC better for JPT? Because it is UNC? In case you have not notied, UNC was and NIT team last year and ranked behind MU this year.
Because the weather is nicer and its late January (when all us Eskimos are hating this part of the country)?
If JPT goes to UNC, he better be prepared as Roy will continue to recruit top ten players to knock him out of the starting line-up. Harrison Barnes will probably be staying given his disappointing season. JPT could risk going to UNC and riding the bench.
If he goes to a school like MU, where Buzz has coached 6'6" wings that are first round picks and another (Wes) highly successful in the NBA, he plays sooner and more minutes.
Playing for a BE team does not hurt your NBA prospects (except DePaul right now).
The question is whether he wants to move away. Jamil Wilson thought he did and now he's with MU. This is the question JPT needs to think long and hard about.
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going to NBA > business school.
Bingo. If Tokoto's the real deal, he'll be able to hire the best and brightest to watch his money. He can devote his free time to spending it, or if he gets bored, counting it.
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Nope, very happily employed. Moreso thanks to my MS than my BA.
but still very very bitter
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I agree that what is right for us (MU Grads or current students) may not be right for our kids.
But, why is UNC better for JPT? Because it is UNC? In case you have not notied, UNC was and NIT team last year and ranked behind MU this year.
Because the weather is nicer and its late January (when all us Eskimos are hating this part of the country)?
If JPT goes to UNC, he better be prepared as Roy will continue to recruit top ten players to knock him out of the starting line-up. Harrison Barnes will probably be staying given his disappointing season. JPT could risk going to UNC and riding the bench.
If he goes to a school like MU, where Buzz has coached 6'6" wings that are first round picks and another (Wes) highly successful in the NBA, he plays sooner and more minutes.
Playing for a BE team does not hurt your NBA prospects (except DePaul right now).
The question is whether he wants to move away. Jamil Wilson thought he did and now he's with MU. This is the question JPT needs to think long and hard about.
I agree that it's a tough decision that he should think long and hard about. And I wasn't just talking about UNC. When you boil it down, in my opinion there are schools that he could go to that are: a) better basketball programs than Marquette right now; b) better basketball programs than Marquette historically; c) better schools than Marquette; and d) all of the above. I say this, at least in part, because I think Tokoto could probably attend pretty much any school in the country that has a DI program. Even those that haven't recruited him would probably offer if he approached them (like Mayo and USC). I love Marquette and it is quite possible that it is the single best place for JP. But, with the sheer number of options out there for him, that would be saying a lot.
Probably an unpopular thing to say, but if my son was offered a basketball scholarship at Duke, I'd have a real hard time pushing him in any other direction. Great school. Great coach. Great program. Probably going to be in the national championship picture at least once while there. Obviously, I'd want to visit and all that, but it would be hard to turn that down. Even if you did have to deal with other elite players coming in every year. And there are some other schools I'd feel the same about. But, for what it's worth, my son has his heart set on Stanford (and he's never going to sniff a basketball scholarship).
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Don't discount Duke.
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but still very very bitter
Exactly what I was thinking. Couldn't get into law school (or if he di, couldn't hack it) so he's nothing but a warped, frustrated young man.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Couldn't get into law school (or if he di, couldn't hack it) so he's nothing but a warped, frustrated young man.
Never applied nor had any desire to. Ever. I'm just one of the tens of millions of Americans who can't stand lawyers.
What does "di" mean?
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Bingo. If Tokoto's the real deal, he'll be able to hire the best and brightest to watch his money. He can devote his free time to spending it, or if he gets bored, counting it.
But as we all know here, MU has only sent one more kid to the NBA than UW in the last decade. :P
And UNC sends a crapload more than MU or UW combined.
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I agree that what is right for us (MU Grads or current students) may not be right for our kids.
But, why is UNC better for JPT? Because it is UNC? In case you have not notied, UNC was and NIT team last year and ranked behind MU this year.
Because the weather is nicer and its late January (when all us Eskimos are hating this part of the country)?
If JPT goes to UNC, he better be prepared as Roy will continue to recruit top ten players to knock him out of the starting line-up. Harrison Barnes will probably be staying given his disappointing season. JPT could risk going to UNC and riding the bench.
If he goes to a school like MU, where Buzz has coached 6'6" wings that are first round picks and another (Wes) highly successful in the NBA, he plays sooner and more minutes.
Playing for a BE team does not hurt your NBA prospects (except DePaul right now).
The question is whether he wants to move away. Jamil Wilson thought he did and now he's with MU. This is the question JPT needs to think long and hard about.
Several questions for you.
Do you think Buzz isn't going to try and recruit better players each year as well?
Who were the multiple players that Buzz coached that were first round picks? Lazar and ?
Playing for an ACC school doesn't hurt his NBA chances either, correct?
Yes, UNC was NIT last year but they are projected as a RPI 22.4 this year. We are at 55.9 which is bubble city. What if MU ends up being the NIT team this year?
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I agree that it's a tough decision that he should think long and hard about. And I wasn't just talking about UNC. When you boil it down, in my opinion there are schools that he could go to that are: a) better basketball programs than Marquette right now; b) better basketball programs than Marquette historically; c) better schools than Marquette; and d) all of the above. I say this, at least in part, because I think Tokoto could probably attend pretty much any school in the country that has a DI program. Even those that haven't recruited him would probably offer if he approached them (like Mayo and USC). I love Marquette and it is quite possible that it is the single best place for JP. But, with the sheer number of options out there for him, that would be saying a lot.
Probably an unpopular thing to say, but if my son was offered a basketball scholarship at Duke, I'd have a real hard time pushing him in any other direction. Great school. Great coach. Great program. Probably going to be in the national championship picture at least once while there. Obviously, I'd want to visit and all that, but it would be hard to turn that down. Even if you did have to deal with other elite players coming in every year. And there are some other schools I'd feel the same about. But, for what it's worth, my son has his heart set on Stanford (and he's never going to sniff a basketball scholarship).
Going with you hypothetical ... your son better be "One and Done" or "Two and Done" material to go to Duke or he is not starting. You think Duke because of the quality of the degree. Your son could care less. He out of there in two years and signs with the NBA for more money than the typical Duke Grad makes before he is 40.
Also their is "culture shock" if you're note familiar with Durham, especially if you're African-American. Duke has had a number of inner city African-American transfers from Duke. If have no idea where JPT head is on this front.
No doubt Duke is an excellent program maybe the best. But it is not right for everyone.
(Thought ... what becomes of Duke after Coach K? See IU, See UNC after Dean retired. See MU circa 1978 to 1981)
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Do you think Buzz isn't going to try and recruit better players each year as well?
Yes but half of MU will not be McDonald's AA like UNC. (I hope Buzz proves me wrong here).
Who were the multiple players that Buzz coached that were first round picks? Lazar and ?
Read what I wrote. Buzz has coached 6'6" wings that are first round picks and another (Wes) highly successful in the NBA.
Wes has repeatedly said Buzz's coaching his senior year was like "lifting a blanket off his head" So go ahead and give Crean credit for this, Wes disagrees.
Playing for an ACC school doesn't hurt his NBA chances either, correct?
Never said it was. I read other comments implying that MU and the BE was.
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Read what I wrote. Buzz has coached a 6'6" wing that are was a first round pick and another (Wes) highly successful in the NBA.
I think he was looking for proper use of singular/plural here.
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If JP goes to MU, UW, UNC or Duke, he will be getting a fine business degree that will place him in a position to succeed after graduation even if he doesn't make the NBA. These discussions over rankings are not really all that relevant.
Boom! agree... weird
Further I'd argue that though JP may 'love' coach roy and Coach bo, maybe he sours on some of Roy's assistants or really loves buzz's assistants. I can only speculate. But I think that the assistant coaches play a large role in recruiting, though the players may not talk about that.
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Going with you hypothetical ... your son better be "One and Done" or "Two and Done" material to go to Duke or he is not starting. You think Duke because of the quality of the degree. Your son could care less. He out of there in two years and signs with the NBA for more money than the typical Duke Grad makes before he is 40.
Also their is "culture shock" if you're note familiar with Durham, especially if you're African-American. Duke has had a number of inner city African-American transfers from Duke. If have no idea where JPT head is on this front.
No doubt Duke is an excellent program maybe the best. But it is not right for everyone.
(Thought ... what becomes of Duke after Coach K? See IU, See UNC after Dean retired. See MU circa 1978 to 1981)
I agree with pretty much everything you said. But one thing I would point out is that most "one and done" kids don't lack in self confidence. They believe that they can go anywhere and get it done. I'd be very interested to see an analysis of where the majority of the one and done kids have gone in the last 10 years. I suspect that it trends pretty heavily toward schools that are known to be recruiting and signing absolute top flight talent every year, but I'm perfectly willing to admit that I'm wrong on that if the data shows otherwise.
And again, I don't mean to focus on Duke. I suspect that Tokoto has his choice of most of the 345 DI schools. If Durham isn't to his liking, he could go to Chapel Hill, Columbus, Lexington, Austin, Spokane, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh, etc., etc., etc. What I'm really trying to say, is that it's not just Marquette v. UNC; or Marquette v. Duke; or Marquette v. Wisconsin. It's Marquette v. the Field for the services of a blue chip player. History shows that even if there's a case to be made for Marquette, it's prudent to bet on "the Field" in that match up. Assuming Tokoto is really that good (and the list of schools that have offered suggests that he is), I really hope he goes against history and plays for Marquette.
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Never applied nor had any desire to. Ever. I'm just one of the tens of millions of Americans who can't stand lawyers.
What does "di" mean?
Sorry, "did". I was typing on my Blackberry. Whatever your profession, I'm sure there are people who can't stand those of you in that line of work too. Doesn't mean all are bad 07. Just sayin.
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If he picks UNC, Duke, or one of the other big time out-of-state programs I would understand. But Tokoto going to UW would bother me.
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If he picks UNC, Duke, or one of the other big time out-of-state programs I would understand. But Tokoto going to UW would bother me.
Yeah...me too. It would mark the first time Buzz goes head to head with Bo over a major in-state prospect and loses. And loses to a team whose style and system matches up less well with J.P.'s talents than Buzz's does.
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Michigan has a better business school than UW-madison, no question. But Madison's is better than MU's which is what the comparison was. I think Tokoto is interested in Stanford (#1 business school) and UCLA (top 15 as well). North Carolina's is ranked ahead of Madison's as well.
We ought not compare undergrad business schools since the reputations are really built on the MBA programs. My only gripe with the UW-Madison crowd is the unrealistic perception they have of their school. As I said, I went to an Ivy and to Ann Arbor for grad work and not once did I ever hear one person lament, "well, I couldn't get into Wisconsin so I had to settle for Harvard/Michigan..." Those pricks in Madison over rate themselves. They are like the Field Marshall Montgomery's of the academic world...
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Probably an unpopular thing to say, but if my son was offered a basketball scholarship at Duke, I'd have a real hard time pushing him in any other direction. Great school. Great coach. Great program. Probably going to be in the national championship picture at least once while there. Obviously, I'd want to visit and all that, but it would be hard to turn that down. Even if you did have to deal with other elite players coming in every year. And there are some other schools I'd feel the same about. But, for what it's worth, my son has his heart set on Stanford (and he's never going to sniff a basketball scholarship).
Another thought ... this is the response of a typical middle-aged, middle-class white suburban father of a white son in a well-to-do suburban school. I know this because I'm close to this demographic and this would be my response.
Their list of schools is will often include Duke, ND, Stanford, An Ivy and the Big State University.
And by the way, we don't know if this is true because since 1995, When Garnett jumped from high school to the NBA (and started the "modern era" of coming out early), no white player has ever left school early and made it to the NBA.
Now if you're the single parent of a highly prized "One and Done" recruited living in public housing amidst gang violence, your list of schools is much different (to be clear, I'm NOT talking about JPT here). It's headed by Kentucky because "Coach Cal" has the thing you need the most ... the biggest bag of cash.
School choice is a matter of demographic and what is important to you. Not everyone oohs and awww at the schools rich white guys like.
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Not everyone oohs and awww at the schools rich white guys like.
You are excepting Wisconsin, of course
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We ought not compare undergrad business schools since the reputations are really built on the MBA programs. My only gripe with the UW-Madison crowd is the unrealistic perception they have of their school. As I said, I went to an Ivy and to Ann Arbor for grad work and not once did I ever hear one person lament, "well, I couldn't get into Wisconsin so I had to settle for Harvard/Michigan..." Those pricks in Madison over rate themselves. They are like the Field Marshall Montgomery's of the academic world...
I was comparing undergrad business schools.
MBA programs are another story
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Now if you're the single parent of a highly prized "One and Done" recruited living in public housing amidst gang violence, your list of schools is much different (to be clear, I'm NOT talking about JPT here). It's headed by Kentucky because "Coach Cal" has the thing you need the most ... the biggest bag of cash.
More than likely, Coach Cal has one of the best chances for the kid to make the NBA. With every eyeball in the world on coach Cal and Kentucky, there sure seems to be a lot of cash that can't be found.
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But as we all know here, MU has only sent one more kid to the NBA than UW in the last decade. :P
And UNC sends a crapload more than MU or UW combined.
UNC also has a "crapload" of McDonald's All Americans who never sniff the NBA. Buzz's best argument when recruiting guys like Tokoto is Wes Mathews, a "third wheel" for three seasons at MU who he coached/unleashed for one season and who's (against all odds) the highest paid 2nd year guy in the league. They're the same type of player coming out of high school, though JP is a little taller, more athletic and more highly regarded.
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UNC also has a "crapload" of McDonald's All Americans who never sniff the NBA. Buzz's best argument when recruiting guys like Tokoto is Wes Mathews, a "third wheel" for three seasons at MU who he coached/unleashed for one season and who's (against all odds) the highest paid 2nd year guy in the league. They're the same type of player coming out of high school, though JP is a little taller, more athletic and more highly regarded.
Of course some McDonalds All Americans are going to miss, but at the end of the day Roy Williams is going to be able to say that they play in Final Fours (four this past decade alone), they play for national titles at a high rate (two this past decade), they 3X as many players in the NBA as we do right now....12 at last count, and he gets to join a special fraternity that includes people like Michael Jordan, James Worthy, Vince Carter, and 50 other guys that are household college basketball names, they get to play in the best rivalry game in college basketball (Duke vs UNC), etc.
That's a strong pull. I hope he comes to MU, but I suspect it's UNC or UW-madison.
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Another thought ... this is the response of a typical middle-aged, middle-class white suburban father of a white son in a well-to-do suburban school. I know this because I'm close to this demographic and this would be my response.
Their list of schools is will often include Duke, ND, Stanford, An Ivy and the Big State University.
And by the way, we don't know if this is true because since 1995, When Garnett jumped from high school to the NBA (and started the "modern era" of coming out early), no white player has ever left school early and made it to the NBA.
Now if you're the single parent of a highly prized "One and Done" recruited living in public housing amidst gang violence, your list of schools is much different (to be clear, I'm NOT talking about JPT here). It's headed by Kentucky because "Coach Cal" has the thing you need the most ... the biggest bag of cash.
School choice is a matter of demographic and what is important to you. Not everyone oohs and awww at the schools rich white guys like.
Can't disagree with any of that.
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Unless he plans to play point guard, I don't see him going to Wisconsin. While Bo's system serves his team well, I just don't see it preparing people for the next level, unless you are at the point guard.
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Sorry, "did". I was typing on my Blackberry. Whatever your profession, I'm sure there are people who can't stand those of you in that line of work too. Doesn't mean all are bad 07. Just sayin.
And based on your two baseless posts, I'm sure there are people who hate you even above and beyond the fact that you're a lawyer. But maybe making false accusations is par for the course for you as a lawyer.
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Boom! agree... weird
Further I'd argue that though JP may 'love' coach roy and Coach bo, maybe he sours on some of Roy's assistants or really loves buzz's assistants. I can only speculate. But I think that the assistant coaches play a large role in recruiting, though the players may not talk about that.
I thought this was a very good point.
What about conference choice. ACC vs. Big Ten vs. Big East vs. SEC? Does the Big East, which is arguably the best basketball conference top to bottom, send more kids to the nba than any of the others? Are Big East players more prepared and ready for the nba than any of the others? As much as anything else I would think this would be a part of the decision for JP and his family.
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And based on your two baseless posts, I'm sure there are people who hate you even above and beyond the fact that you're a lawyer. But maybe making false accusations is par for the course for you as a lawyer.
Go back and reread. No false accusations were made by me. I was just making a point that every profession has some bad and good people in it and don't lump all lawyers in the "ambulance chaser" group. I'm not sure why you've got such hostility towards lawyers. One of us may even help you out one day. Or maybe we won't.
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I thought this was a very good point.
What about conference choice. ACC vs. Big Ten vs. Big East vs. SEC? Does the Big East, which is arguably the best basketball conference top to bottom, send more kids to the nba than any of the others? Are Big East players more prepared and ready for the nba than any of the others? As much as anything else I would think this would be a part of the decision for JP and his family.
At last count in December, the ACC led with 56 NBA players despite having 12 teams. Big East was second at 54. Pac Ten third with 48 followed by the Big 12 and the SEC. The Big Ten was 6th with 29.
UCLA has the most currently with 14. Duke & Kentucky with 13 each. Kansas and North Carolina with 12.
Where Current NBA Players Come From by Division I Conference, Non-Division I College, High School, and Foreign Origin
# Schools W/ Players Avg. # NBA
Conference (# teams) NBA Players in NBA Players/Team
Pacific 10 (10) 8 48 4.8
Atlantic Coast (12) 11 56 4.7
Big 12 (12) 11 41 3.4
Big East (16) 16 54 3.4
Southeastern (12) 9 40 3.3
Big Ten (11) 9 29 2.6
Mountain West (9) 6 10 1.1
Conference USA (12) 6 12 1.0
Western Athletic(9) 4 9 1.0
Atlantic 10 (14) 6 11 0.8
West Coast (8) 4 5 0.6
Colonial (12) 3 5 0.4
Sun Belt (12) 3 5 0.4
Missouri Valley (10 2 3 0.3
Horizon (10) 2 2 0.2
Mid-American (12) 2 2 0.2
Southern (12) 2 2 0.2
Great West (7) 1 1 0.1
Ivy League (8) 1 1 0.1
Big Sky (9) 1 1 0.1
Big South (10) 1 1 0.1
Metro Atlantic (10) 1 1 0.1
Ohio Valley (10) 1 1 0.1
Summit (10) 1 1 0.1
Southland (12) 1 1 0.1
America East (9) 0 0 0.0
Atlantic Sun (11) 0 0 0.0
Big West (9) 0 0 0.0
Independents (7) 0 0 0.0
Mid-Eastern (11) 0 0 0.0
Northeast (12) 0 0 0.0
Patriot (8) 0 0 0.0
Southwestern (10) 0 0 0.0
Total Division I 112 342
Non-Division I 4
High School 31
Foreign 59
Total in NBA 436
Division I Schools Ranked by Number of Players in NBA
No. Players
School In NBA
UCLA 14
Duke 13
Kentucky 13
Kansas 12
North Carolina 12
Connecticut 11
Arizona 10
Texas 10
Florida 9
Wake Forest 8
Georgia Tech 7
LSU 7
Memphis 7
Ohio St. 7
Syracuse 7
Michigan St. 6
Stanford 6
Southern Cal 5
Washington 5
Alabama 4
California 4
Florida St. 4
Georgetown 4
Louisville 4
Marquette 4
Maryland 4
Nevada 4
Oklahoma St. 4
UNLV 4
Villanova 4
Xavier 4
Arkansas 3
Cincinnati 3
DePaul 3
Fresno St. 3
Illinois 3
Indiana 3
Kansas St. 3
Michigan 3
Notre Dame 3
Oklahoma 3
Pittsburgh 3
Purdue 3
Texas A&M 3
Arizona St. 2
Boston College 2
Creighton 2
Florida Int. 2
Gonzaga 2
Massachusetts 2
Miami-FL 2
Minnesota 2
Missouri 2
New Mexico 2
Northeastern 2
N.C. St. 2
Oregon 2
Saint Joseph's 2
South Florida 2
Va. Commonwealth 2
West Virginia 2
Western Kentucky 2
Auburn 1
Baylor 1
Bradley 1
Butler 1
Central Michigan 1
Clemson 1
Colorado 1
Colorado St. 1
Davidson 1
Detroit 1
Eastern Michigan 1
Eastern Wash. 1
George Washington 1
Harvard 1
Hawaii 1
Iowa 1
Iowa St. 1
IUPUI 1
La Salle 1
Louisiana Tech 1
Marshall 1
Mississippi 1
Portland 1
Providence 1
Rhode Island 1
Rider 1
Rutgers 1
Santa Clara 1
Seton Hall 1
SMU 1
South Carolina 1
St. John's 1
St. Mary's 1
TCU 1
Tennessee 1
Tennessee-Martin 1
Texas St. 1
Texas Tech 1
Towson 1
Tulsa 1
UALR 1
UCF 1
Utah 1
Utah Valley 1
UTEP 1
Virginia 1
VMI 1
Western Carolina 1
Wisconsin 1
Wyoming 1
Total Division I 342
Non-Division I 4
High School 31
Foreign 59
Total in NBA 436
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Go back and reread. No false accusations were made by me. I was just making a point that every profession has some bad and good people in it and don't lump all lawyers in the "ambulance chaser" group. I'm not sure why you've got such hostility towards lawyers. One of us may even help you out one day. Or maybe we won't.
Maybe I can sue you for libel for this and we can find out how good of a lawyer you are?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=23880.msg265083#msg265083
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Maybe I can sue you for libel for this and we can find out how good of a lawyer you are?
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=23880.msg265083#msg265083
on behalf of Lighthouse 84, we apologize for pooping in your cereal.
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And by the way, we don't know if this is true because since 1995, When Garnett jumped from high school to the NBA (and started the "modern era" of coming out early), no white player has ever left school early and made it to the NBA.
Not sure if this was meant to be sarcastic but it simply isn't true.
Robert Swift went straight from HS to the NBA. B.J. Mullens, Kosta Koufos, Josh McRoberts, Jason Smith, Kevin Love, Joe Alexander, Ryan Anderson, Trent Plaisted, Spencer Hawes, Chase Budinger, Gordon Hayward, Cole Aldrich, Luke Babbit are all white guys who left school early in just the last few years and made it to the NBA.
Also, Blake Griffin is half-white...and I think the Lopez brothers are too ;)
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Also, Blake Griffin is half-white...
Apparently not the half that plays basketball...
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Apparently not the half that plays basketball...
You almost just made gag on a diet coke I was drinking! Well done.
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You almost just made gag on a diet coke I was drinking! Well done.
Griffin has become very popular at our house. My son loves him. It's hard not to when watching him play with such a reckless disregard for his safety. Even my wife, who has only a passing interest in basketball, is a fan. Over the years there typically has been one player at a time that catches her attention. First it was David Robinson. More recently Dwight Howard. She's moved on to Griffin and is really looking forward to the slam dunk contest.
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Hopefully this won't cause anyone here to question my love for Marquette's program, but if my son had the options Tokoto has (a man's got to dream, right), I'd have a hard time pushing him too hard to go to Marquette. Make no mistake, I would push a little, but not too hard. This kid has great options, and as much of a homer as I am, I can't honestly say that I think Marquette is his best option. I hope he comes, but I'd be totally shocked.
Some of the most sensible words you'll ever read on this board.
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Apparently not the half that plays basketball...
LOL...that was very funny. Nicely done.
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Took me awhile, but I finally found the source of Ari's anger or, ahem, bitterness.
Ari thinks that when I made an analogy with the law school and lawyers that I was attacking him, because he somehow thinks he is connected to the law. However, in no way would I associate him with the legal field so I could not have been attacking him while attacking lawyers. If he wants to make the case that he's associated with the law, he can. Applying once for law school doesn't count.
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I think if he stays in state it is MU for obvious reasons..he is an athlete and MU recruits and gets athletes. Two years ago many on here thought no chance for Jamil Wilson and MU was in heart from day one. Do not count out the Warriors!!!
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Took me awhile, but I finally found the source of Ari's anger or, ahem, bitterness.
Ari thinks that when I made an analogy with the law school and lawyers that I was attacking him, because he somehow thinks he is connected to the law. However, in no way would I associate him with the legal field so I could not have been attacking him while attacking lawyers. If he wants to make the case that he's associated with the law, he can. Applying once for law school doesn't count.
On behalf of Ari, and the rest of us in the legal profession, I hope you get out of prison soon and don't have to continue being some guy's biotch much longer. It's the only thing that would make someone so bitter and angry about lawyers.
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Took me awhile, but I finally found the source of Ari's anger or, ahem, bitterness.
Ari thinks that when I made an analogy with the law school and lawyers that I was attacking him, because he somehow thinks he is connected to the law. However, in no way would I associate him with the legal field so I could not have been attacking him while attacking lawyers. If he wants to make the case that he's associated with the law, he can. Applying once for law school doesn't count.
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woah woah woah #false.
I make a quip about someone sounding angry and bitter and then there is this..woah
woah woah
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Not sure if this was meant to be sarcastic but it simply isn't true. Robert Swift went straight from HS to the NBA. B.J. Mullens, Kosta Koufos, Josh McRoberts, Jason Smith, Kevin Love, Joe Alexander, Ryan Anderson, Trent Plaisted, Spencer Hawes, Chase Budinger, Gordon Hayward, Cole Aldrich, Luke Babbit are all white guys who left school early in just the last few years and made it to the NBA. Also, Blake Griffin is half-white...and I think the Lopez brothers are too ;)
This is all well and good but the point was that most caucasian basketball players follow a more traditional route to the show. I would expect a budding NBA PG like Josh Gasser to take just such a path.