Nice game against number 22UCF...17 points 9 boards and 4 assists..damn..looking more and more like he's gonna be a very good player.
I dont give a damn. As others say if he's not in Gold and Blue he can go screw
Quote from: jhags15 on January 16, 2011, 12:22:54 AM
I dont give a damn. As others say if he's not in Gold and Blue he can go screw
Well it certainly wasn't his fault he's not here.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 16, 2011, 01:26:29 AM
Well it certainly wasn't his fault he's not here.
Yes, we wou
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 16, 2011, 01:26:29 AM
Well it certainly wasn't his fault he's not here.
Yes, we would've have certainly won if DJ Newbill was in the rotation today.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 16, 2011, 01:26:29 AM
Well it certainly wasn't his fault he's not here.
Certainly? So YOU'RE the one with all the facts? Tell me the facts.
If the hypocrisy wasn't so fully expected, it would be shocking.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 16, 2011, 07:44:59 AM
Certainly? So YOU'RE the one with all the facts? Tell me the facts.
If the hypocrisy wasn't so fully expected, it would be shocking.
I think he was being sarcastic.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 16, 2011, 08:11:37 AM
I think he was being sarcastic.
I'm pretty sure Chicos wasn't being sarcastic as he's made it very clear that he blames Buzz for Newbill's release.
I don't care to get caught up in who's fault it is he's not here, but it's safe to say it's a bad thing for MU that he isn't. We could definitely use his diverse offensive game and rebounding.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 16, 2011, 08:11:37 AM
I think he was being sarcastic.
I don't - I think he strongly believes it.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 16, 2011, 08:16:46 AM
I don't - I think he strongly believes it.
Actually, I agree with you... I read it wrong the first time.
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 16, 2011, 08:15:34 AM
I'm pretty sure Chicos wasn't being sarcastic as he's made it very clear that he blames Buzz for Newbill's release.
I don't care to get caught up in who's fault it is he's not here, but it's safe to say it's a bad thing for MU that he isn't. We could definitely use his diverse offensive game and rebounding.
Why do I have the feeling if he was here he'd be riding the pine and we'd be talking about how he doesn't know how to play defense. That seems to be the common refrain.
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 16, 2011, 08:37:31 AM
Why do I have the feeling if he was here he'd be riding the pine and we'd be talking about how he doesn't know how to play defense. That seems to be the common refrain.
If he was only posting scoring numbers I may agree with you, but he's rebounding very effectively with over 6 per game. That alone is enough to get you pt.
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 16, 2011, 08:48:42 AM
If he was only posting scoring numbers I may agree with you, but he's rebounding very effectively with over 6 per game. That alone is enough to get you pt.
I'm not sure about that. Would Newbill get time ahead of Buycks and DJO if they were at Southern Miss instead of here? Would Vander be able to get 14 ppg and up his rebounding numbers if he were down there? I think Newbill is a good player, but the talent level between us and USM is pretty vast as is the level of our opponents. I'm not sure he'd see much time here, no matter what he's been able to do there. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 16, 2011, 08:54:28 AM
I'm not sure about that. Would Newbill get time ahead of Buycks and DJO if they were at Southern Miss instead of here? Would Vander be able to get 14 ppg and up his rebounding numbers if he were down there? I think Newbill is a good player, but the talent level between us and USM is pretty vast as is the level of our opponents. I'm not sure he'd see much time here, no matter what he's been able to do there. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
I agree it's tough to say and speculative at best, but at his size he cetainly fits the mold of a switchable and coul fill in at a few spots. Looking at his year totals I find it hard to believe he wouldn't be contributing. He's a good shooter from the field and at the line, and he can rebound.
MIN PTS REB AST TO A/T STL BLK PF FG% FT% 3P% PPS
28.8 9.4 6.3 1.2 1.8 . 68 1.0 .1 2.8 .530 .773 .375 1.60
Quote from: StillWarriors on January 16, 2011, 08:37:31 AM
Why do I have the feeling if he was here he'd be riding the pine and we'd be talking about how he doesn't know how to play defense. That seems to be the common refrain.
Yeah, it is acommon refrain with a lot of the Kool Aid drinkers. How good was our defense in the last 5 minutes of the game yesterday?
In Buzz We Trust: Louisville Meltdown
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 16, 2011, 08:54:28 AM
I'm not sure about that. Would Newbill get time ahead of Buycks and DJO if they were at Southern Miss instead of here? Would Vander be able to get 14 ppg and up his rebounding numbers if he were down there? I think Newbill is a good player, but the talent level between us and USM is pretty vast as is the level of our opponents. I'm not sure he'd see much time here, no matter what he's been able to do there. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
I disagree and I think the coach would as well.
His mantra is toughness and defense earns playing time, right? Newbill has shown he has both qualities in abundance.
He wouldn't be playing 25 minutes but he'd be a strong energizer off the bench when we need a lift. Other than Fulce, our bench has the punch of a drunk Freshman at her first frat party. Could always use more energy.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CARES?!?!
Somebody that can shoot?
Somebody that can rebound?
Yeah, he would have gotten playing time at MU.
Well, the kid obviously didn't want to be here, so it's a moot point.
Iowa State beat Baylor yesterday as well, 17 points by Christopherson on 5 of 8 shooting from beyond the arc.
He's already made 54 threes this year. To put in perspective, we only have one guy over 25 and that's DJO at 33.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 16, 2011, 12:46:55 PM
Iowa State beat Baylor yesterday as well, 17 points by Christopherson on 5 of 8 shooting from beyond the arc.
He's already made 54 threes this year. To put in perspective, we only have one guy over 25 and that's DJO at 33.
If we had issues scoring the basketball his loss would hurt more, but that's really not an issue.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 16, 2011, 12:46:55 PM
Iowa State beat Baylor yesterday as well, 17 points by Christopherson on 5 of 8 shooting from beyond the arc.
He's already made 54 threes this year. To put in perspective, we only have one guy over 25 and that's DJO at 33.
Who's he gonna replace on the floor though? DJO, Jae, Buycks, and Butler all rank ahead of him in Offensive Rating, and he doesn't play defense as well Vander. Any gain you get from Scott in three point shooting is negated by the lack of 2 pt field goals (limiting the flexibility in the offense), lack of assists (even Butler has more assists), worse rebounding (than even the weak rebounding on this MU team), and no improvement on defense. I'll take the guys we have, thank you.
17 points and nine rebounds are more than EWill, Devonte and Jamail will contribute all BE season
It should be pretty clear to everyone that Buzz launched the wrong incoming freshman to make room for Wilson. Shoulda kept Newbill and rescinded Smith.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 16, 2011, 01:36:31 PM
It should be pretty clear to everyone that Buzz launched the wrong incoming freshman to make room for Wilson. Shoulda kept Newbill and rescinded Smith.
Ouch
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 16, 2011, 01:41:00 PM
Ouch
Well yeah, but it's the price we're paying for having hired a young, inexperienced coach. Look, generally speaking, I like Buzz and he's an oasis in the desert formerly known as Crean. Yet, it's becoming increasing obvious that he is prone to mistakes. Mistakes with the media (remember his uncalled for and embarrassing outburst at McIlvaine in season 1), mistakes in recruiting players (and that's the only way to categorize handing out schollies to Mbao, Newbill, Smith, Maymon, and the traditional cat from PA.), and in-game coaching errors (Mizzou, Washington, Villanova, and yesterday).
Patience, patience, patience, and we may actually reap the benefits of his hire at some future date. For now, he's keeping the program afloat and generally improving the level of incoming talent. Chicos is right, let's evaluate in year 5.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 16, 2011, 01:58:31 PM
Well yeah, but it's the price we're paying for having hired a young, inexperienced coach. Look, generally speaking, I like Buzz and he's an oasis in the dessert forming known as Crean. Yet, it's becoming increasing obvious that he is prone to mistakes. Mistakes with the media (remember his uncalled for and embarrassing outburst at McIlvaine in season 1), mistakes in recruiting players (and that's the only way to categorize handing out schollies to Mbao, Newbill, Smith, Maymon, and the traditional cat from PA.), and in-game coaching errors (Mizzou, Washington, Villanova, and yesterday).
Patience, patience, patience, and we may actually reap the benefits of his hire at some future date. For now, he's keeping the program afloat and generally inproving the level of incoming talent. Chicos is right, let's evaluate in year 5.
I could only imagine the hate mail I would receive if I wrote this.
This is exactly the way I look at things.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 16, 2011, 02:01:03 PM
I could only imagine the hate mail I would receive if I wrote this.
This is exactly the way I look at things.
No kidding....you'd be a racist, a Buzz hater, etc, etc.
Quote from: ecompt on January 16, 2011, 01:32:49 PM
17 points and nine rebounds are more than EWill, Devonte and Jamail will contribute all BE season
You're not comparing apples to apples. Scott would have taken a schollie from DJO, Jae, or Buycks, not Devonte or Jamail. I have faith those two will be more valuable than Scott's numbers by their junior / senior year (Scott's a redshirt junior). Since he and Ewill are different positions, and EWill's only a soph, I'd say the jury is still out on that one. Last year Scott only averaged 8 pts a game (more than Ewill is gonna have this year, but definitely playing on a weaker team)
Quote from: mugrad2006 on January 16, 2011, 02:30:38 PM
You're not comparing apples to apples. Scott would have taken a schollie from DJO, Jae, or Buycks, not Devonte or Jamail. I have faith those two will be more valuable than Scott's numbers by their junior / senior year (Scott's a redshirt junior). Since he and Ewill are different positions, and EWill's only a soph, I'd say the jury is still out on that one. Last year Scott only averaged 8 pts a game (more than Ewill is gonna have this year, but definitely playing on a weaker team)
He was referring to Newbill, not Scott
Quote from: NickelDimer on January 16, 2011, 02:34:07 PM
He was referring to Newbill, not Scott
Good point, my critical reading lapsed on that one. I still take who we've got over Newbill based on what I've seen thus far. No way DJ sees the court more than Mello on this team. Gardner will develop into a solid body down low, and EWill is gonna show up at some point (please?!?!).
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 16, 2011, 02:01:03 PM
I could only imagine the hate mail I would receive if I wrote this.
This is exactly the way I look at things.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 16, 2011, 02:21:30 PM
No kidding....you'd be a racist, a Buzz hater, etc, etc.
The only reason either of you would be directed any "hate" is your longstanding, critical post history as it pertains to Buzz. You get what you earn.
Does Buzz make mistakes in recruiting and coaching? Absolutely. Can you show me any other coach in America that doesn't make mistakes in recruiting or coaching? No. was MU picked for 12th in the Big East last year? Yes? Did we finish 5th? Yes. Were some of you still complaining and beating a wait 5 year drum? Yes. Was MU picked for 8th in the Big East this year? Yes. Does anyone doubt that we won't finish in the top 8? Very few, if any. Was yesterday's loss terrible? Absolutely. Should Buzz get a large amount of the blame? Absolutely. All in all - would a reasonable MU fan look at our roster currently, and with what we'll have in the next year or two, and think: We are pretty talented? Yes. Given our past history with recruiting - does it make sense to be critical of a coach who is bringing in classes of Top 100 players or Juco POY in 3 to 4 consecutive years - when that hasn't been don around here since Al McGuire? No. Are the above reasons why both of you catahc some hell around here? Yes.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 16, 2011, 02:21:30 PM
No kidding....you'd be a racist, a Buzz hater, etc, etc.
Racist? Is every card in your deck the race card?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 16, 2011, 01:36:31 PM
It should be pretty clear to everyone that Buzz launched the wrong incoming freshman to make room for Wilson. Shoulda kept Newbill and rescinded Smith.
Clearly if we still had Christopherson and Newbill we'd have beaten Duke, Wisconsin, and Vanderbilt by at least 12. Just imagine what kind of press we'd be getting if we had Mbakwe too. And we could be starting Mbao at the 5! We could beat anyone... A University of Ditkas, The Harlem Globetrotters, a team of atomic supermen, a university of Chuck Norris Hurricanes, and Jesus and 12 of his buddies.
JF'ningC let it the unnatural carnal knowledge go
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 16, 2011, 03:24:00 PM
Racist? Is every card in your deck the race card?
My deck? You and Krav played it last night sunshine. This is all on you
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 16, 2011, 01:36:31 PM
It should be pretty clear to everyone that Buzz launched the wrong incoming freshman to make room for Wilson. Shoulda kept Newbill and rescinded Smith.
He couldn't. Smith's application was accepted. Newbill's was not...because Buzz's crew told him to take his time.
Quote from: Ners on January 16, 2011, 02:51:23 PM
The only reason either of you would be directed any "hate" is your longstanding, critical post history as it pertains to Buzz. You get what you earn.
Does Buzz make mistakes in recruiting and coaching? Absolutely. Can you show me any other coach in America that doesn't make mistakes in recruiting or coaching? No. was MU picked for 12th in the Big East last year? Yes? Did we finish 5th? Yes. Were some of you still complaining and beating a wait 5 year drum? Yes. Was MU picked for 8th in the Big East this year? Yes. Does anyone doubt that we won't finish in the top 8? Very few, if any. Was yesterday's loss terrible? Absolutely. Should Buzz get a large amount of the blame? Absolutely. All in all - would a reasonable MU fan look at our roster currently, and with what we'll have in the next year or two, and think: We are pretty talented? Yes. Given our past history with recruiting - does it make sense to be critical of a coach who is bringing in classes of Top 100 players or Juco POY in 3 to 4 consecutive years - when that hasn't been don around here since Al McGuire? No. Are the above reasons why both of you catahc some hell around here? Yes.
The 5 year drum started the day he was hired, hate to break it to you.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 16, 2011, 02:01:03 PM
I could only imagine the hate mail I would receive if I wrote this.
This is exactly the way I look at things.
When a guy with a history of fairness and a great sense of humor goes mildly negative after an absolutely crushing loss he isn't looked upon the same way as someone who is negative and humorless pretty much all the time. Life is like that.
Quote from: mugrad2006 on January 16, 2011, 02:41:52 PM
Good point, my critical reading lapsed on that one. I still take who we've got over Newbill based on what I've seen thus far. No way DJ sees the court more than Mello on this team. Gardner will develop into a solid body down low, and EWill is gonna show up at some point (please?!?!).
What about Reggie Smith?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 16, 2011, 03:33:13 PM
My deck? You and Krav played it last night sunshine. This is all on you
After an absolutely brutal loss, Chicos starts an intentionally inflammatory thread about how UW's Traditional players beat #16 Illiinois and in subsequent posts in the thread talks about how "our stupidity sometimes really hurts any athletic advantages we have" and laments that posters (he among them) are "attacked" for asking "why we can't land a few players that play with a high basketball IQ consistently". Check. Several posters take exception to his remarks. Check. One calls them what they are - ignorant and inflammatory but specifically says they are NOT racist. Check. Chicos answers none of the posters on why he's being such a d*ck, but instead launches into a diatribe, accusing people who did no such thing of calling him a racist. Check. And one more time, in his mind only, Chicos becomes the victim. Check.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 16, 2011, 03:34:54 PM
When a guy with a history of fairness and a great sense of humor goes mildly negative after an absolutely crushing loss he isn't looked upon the same way as someone who is negative and humorless pretty much all the time. Life is like that.
Oh the irony....When a guy with a history of lying about other posters (that's you House) "pretty much all of the time" (is that the new "vast majority")....well you get what you get. Life is like that.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 16, 2011, 04:15:34 PM
After an absolutely brutal loss, Chicos starts an intentionally inflammatory thread about how smart UW players are and how stupid ours are. Check. Several posters take exception to his remarks. Check. One calls them what they are - ignorant and inflammatory but specifically says they are NOT racist. Check. Chicos answers none of the posters on why he's being such a d*ck, but instead launches into a diatribe, accusing people who did no such thing of calling him a racist. Check. And one more time, in his mind only, Chicos becomes the victim. Check.
There you go LYING AGAIN.
Here's what I said in the opening thread
"Well, at least UW-madison won't beat #16 Illinois with their traditional players
OOops, yes I guess they just did that as well."Tell me, where in that opening post did I say how "SMART UW PLAYERS ARE"?
I didn't. Where in that post did I say how "STUPID OUR PLAYERS ARE"? I didn't.
Now, the thread soon became that kind of pissing match, but you said I started the thread in that manner...I did not. Why do you have to lie all the time to make a point, I don't get it. Why do you? I've defined what traditional means here often. Kids that can hit free throws, shoot the rock from outside, have a high basketball IQ. Nowhere have I ever said our players are stupid, I have said our team plays dumb sometimes, that doesn't make our players stupid, but that doesn't stop you from another lie just like your endorsement of that racist post last evening. You earn what you earn every bit the same as I do with your posts.
So tell me again, is this statement you made correct..."After an absolutely brutal loss, Chicos starts an intentionally inflammatory thread about how smart UW players are and how stupid ours are. Check."? No, it's not. It's a flat out lie. My post did not say anything at all about our players being "stupid" or how "smart" our players were.
Now, in even more irony, when everyone slammed on UW's choke the other day, what were your comments Lenny? Here you go http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=23516.0
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 16, 2011, 05:50:42 PM
There you go LYING AGAIN.
Here's what I said in the opening thread
"Well, at least UW-madison won't beat #16 Illinois with their traditional players
OOops, yes I guess they just did that as well."
Tell me House, where in that opening post did I say how "SMART UW PLAYERS ARE"?
I didn't. Where in that post did I say how "STUPID OUR PLAYERS ARE"? I didn't.
Now, the thread soon became that kind of pissing match, but you said I started the thread in that manner...I did not. Why do you have to lie all the time to make a point, I don't get it. Why do you? I've defined what traditional means here often. Kids that can hit free throws, shoot the rock from outside, have a high basketball IQ. Nowhere have I ever said our players are stupid, I have said our team plays dumb sometimes, that doesn't make our players stupid, but that doesn't stop you from another lie just like your endorsement of that racist post last evening. You earn what you earn every bit the same as I do with your posts.
So tell me again, is this statement you made correct..."After an absolutely brutal loss, Chicos starts an intentionally inflammatory thread about how smart UW players are and how stupid ours are. Check."? No, it's not. It's a flat out lie. My post did not say anything at all about our players being "stupid" or how "smart" our players were.
Now, in even more irony, when everyone slammed on UW's choke the other day, what were your comments Lenny? Here you go http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=23516.0
Lenny - Please don't feed the troll or even acknowledge his existence with a reply. The fact chicos has gone to the lengths of trying to find out your last name, and then post pictures of "House" from the TV show is beyond weird and creepy. Furthermore, you have made your points well, and the data supports you..as do about 10 other posters in the UW beats Illinois thread...
Agreed....let it die.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 16, 2011, 06:06:53 PM
Agreed....let it die.
I edited my remarks in the post he cites ever so slightly to be "word for word" accurate since he views anything less (in other's posts, not his own) to be LIES. It didn't change the gist at all but maybe it will stop his ridiculous, untrue and childish name calling. With that, I'll exit and let it die
if we could clarify on needing shooters - everyone does realize we are in the top 10 in the country at both shooting and getting to the line, right? I get it that Christopherson hits 3-pointers but Newbill is only 3 for 8 from behind the arc this week so I don't see that he improves on one of the top few offenses in the country.
Certainly we can speculate about if a player like Newbill could help us rebound and defend better, but I believe we now have plenty of rebounding at guard - just wish we could get more from the center position. Newbill does seem to be a part of a pretty good defense there, so yeah I admit I might have short changed him last year.
Would I rather have kept him than Smith? Obviously now that we know Smith was going to turn the ball over every time he touched it and then transfer out. But I wouldnt give up next year's lineup for anything.
Still, Newbill may be a part of getting Southern Miss into the tournament this year and I will be happy for him. Root for the guys who choose MU but have to leave. Root against guys like Maymon who bail.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on January 16, 2011, 07:53:48 PM
if we could clarify on needing shooters - everyone does realize we are in the top 10 in the country at both shooting and getting to the line, right? I get it that Christopherson hits 3-pointers but Newbill is only 3 for 8 from behind the arc this week so I don't see that he improves on one of the top few offenses in the country.
Certainly we can speculate about if a player like Newbill could help us rebound and defend better, but I believe we now have plenty of rebounding at guard - just wish we could get more from the center position. Newbill does seem to be a part of a pretty good defense there, so yeah I admit I might have short changed him last year.
Would I rather have kept him than Smith? Obviously now that we know Smith was going to turn the ball over every time he touched it and then transfer out. But I wouldnt give up next year's lineup for anything.
Still, Newbill may be a part of getting Southern Miss into the tournament this year and I will be happy for him. Root for the guys who choose MU but have to leave. Root against guys like Maymon who bail.
Good points...
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 16, 2011, 03:34:54 PM
When a guy with a history of fairness and a great sense of humor goes mildly negative after an absolutely crushing loss he isn't looked upon the same way as someone who is negative and humorless pretty much all the time. Life is like that.
You've been on this 'negative' trip for only the past couple weeks now even though I have been around for almost two years. It seems to be personal and started around the time I asked if you were related to the poster named warthog. I know the entirety of my 600 wouldn't constitute a 'negative' fan but also realize you don't care.
Just a little strange for this fan of 15 years, who goes to lengths to attend MU games each season, to get nailed to the wall as a program hater. Direct opposite of real life.
Anyway, patience.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on January 16, 2011, 07:53:48 PM
if we could clarify on needing shooters - everyone does realize we are in the top 10 in the country at both shooting and getting to the line, right? I get it that Christopherson hits 3-pointers but Newbill is only 3 for 8 from behind the arc this week so I don't see that he improves on one of the top few offenses in the country.
Certainly we can speculate about if a player like Newbill could help us rebound and defend better, but I believe we now have plenty of rebounding at guard - just wish we could get more from the center position. Newbill does seem to be a part of a pretty good defense there, so yeah I admit I might have short changed him last year.
Would I rather have kept him than Smith? Obviously now that we know Smith was going to turn the ball over every time he touched it and then transfer out. But I wouldnt give up next year's lineup for anything.
Still, Newbill may be a part of getting Southern Miss into the tournament this year and I will be happy for him. Root for the guys who choose MU but have to leave. Root against guys like Maymon who bail.
Thanks for laying out much more eloquently and concisely what I attempted (poorly) to say with my earlier post.