Off the top of my head, this makes at least four mid-season transfers (Smith of MU, Phillips of ISU and Joesph of Minn are the other three).
Happens all the time and when it does, no one should be surprised.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5992596
California freshman guard Gary Franklin has decided to leave Cal and transfer to a different school, head coach Mike Montgomery announced Wednesday.
"Gary Franklin informed us [Tuesday] morning that he was interested in transferring and he has left the team," Montgomery said. "We wish Gary well. We're disappointed, but we wish him well."
Through 13 games this season, 11 of which he started, Franklin was fifth on the team in scoring, averaging 8.2 points per game. He had converted 24 of his 82 three-point attempts.
Franklin's father, Gary Franklin Sr., confirmed the news Wednesday.
"He's leaving," Franklin Sr. said.
Franklin came off the bench in the team's most recent games against Hartford and Stanford, with the Bears inserting sophomore point guard Brandon Smith in the lineup and moving junior Jorge Gutierrez to shooting guard.
The 6-foot-2 Franklin was one of the most sought-after point guard recruits in the nation coming out of Mater Dei High School in Santa Ana, Calif.
Cal, the defending Pac-10 champion, is 7-6 this season and left with eight available scholarship players.
It happens "all the time" to some programs. We could just as easily publish all the schools it didn't happen to and there would be a much longer list.
Any chance we can call dibs?
from jeff Goodmans Twitter earlier today:
According to multiple reports, Gary Franklin leaving Cal. Not a smart move & one that won't help Bears. More than 60 guys leaving at break.
I'd expect him to go to SDSU, UNLV or potentially Baylor. At least that's what some are saying out here on the coast. He's not a "school" guy, either. In other words, he thinks he's going to the Association and doesn't want to play anywhere for four years in college.
well if he goes to unlv that would eliminate Reggie's best potential option.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 05, 2011, 10:37:29 PM
It happens "all the time" to some programs. We could just as easily publish all the schools it didn't happen to and there would be a much longer list.
A couple of week's old already and I cannot find an update (no Reggie yet), but here is Goodman's mid-seaon transfer list. Back then there were already 40 guys on the list.
http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/mid_season_transfer_list/3831874
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 05, 2011, 11:48:28 PM
A couple of week's old already and I cannot find an update (no Reggie yet), but here is Goodman's mid-seaon transfer list. Back then there were already 40 guys on the list.
http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/mid_season_transfer_list/3831874
Maybe if they get 100 recruits to transfer, they all win a lifetime supply of Taco Bell chalupas.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 05, 2011, 11:48:28 PM
A couple of week's old already and I cannot find an update (no Reggie yet), but here is Goodman's mid-seaon transfer list. Back then there were already 40 guys on the list.
http://jeffgoodman.yardbarker.com/blog/jeffgoodman/mid_season_transfer_list/3831874
Yup....but with 345 DI teams with 13 players each squad, that's almost 4,500 players. You get the idea. Now, let's say for kicks that 25% are seniors that can't transfer, that leaves about 3350 that could transfer...you could even go so far as to only include Freshmen and Sophomores and now you're at 2,250 players eligible to transfer.
Yes, it happens "all the time" but there are a number of schools where it happens very little or maybe once or twice in a decade and yet they are top 40 programs.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 05, 2011, 11:56:17 PM
Maybe if they get 100 recruits to transfer, they all win a lifetime supply of Taco Bell chalupas.
well since we contributed I feel we too are entitled to chalupas.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 06, 2011, 12:01:44 AM
Yup....but with 345 DI teams with 13 players each squad, that's almost 4,500 players. You get the idea. Now, let's say for kicks that 25% are seniors that can't transfer, that leaves about 3350 that could transfer...you could even go so far as to only include Freshmen and Sophomores and now you're at 2,250 players eligible to transfer.
Yes, it happens "all the time" but there are a number of schools where it happens very little or maybe once or twice in a decade and yet they are top 40 programs.
I can't really figure out what you are trying to say... why don't you explain it again.
Gary Frankin was one of the teamates profiled in this book that I am reading right now:
http://georgedohrmann.com/
If I recall correctly, this will be the third or fourth kid from the 7th grade national AAU champion to transfer within one year of college. Grassroots ball has really screwed up a lot of kids.
Chicos - Are trying to say transfers started under Buzz? I certainly hope not.
Chicos has been a Buzz critic since Buzz was hired. Transfers are a fact of life in major programs. Buzz has done a great job since he was hired. I support him as do most alumni who regularly attend games and make donations more that their hat size to the university. That excludes certain clowns who still yearn for the return of the tanning booth king.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 06, 2011, 08:33:29 AM
Chicos - Are trying to say transfers started under Buzz? I certainly hope not.
Hell no, in fact I've said time and time again it's been going on at MU for the last decade...most of it coached by the previous guy.
LC...you still haven't paid off your bet? Why do you welsh on your bets?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 06, 2011, 08:20:36 AM
Gary Frankin was one of the teamates profiled in this book that I am reading right now:
http://georgedohrmann.com/
If I recall correctly, this will be the third or fourth kid from the 7th grade national AAU champion to transfer within one year of college. Grassroots ball has really screwed up a lot of kids.
I got the book for Christmas, and loved it. I could not put it down.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 06, 2011, 08:33:29 AM
Chicos - Are trying to say transfers started under Buzz? I certainly hope not.
In one of the great coincidences of our time Chicos "got religion" in April of 2008. Things that he had overlooked or defended (Saunders, transfers,etc) became practices that caused weeping, gnashing of teeth, and,of course, a great deal of squirming.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 06, 2011, 08:20:36 AM
Gary Frankin was one of the teamates profiled in this book that I am reading right now:
http://georgedohrmann.com/
If I recall correctly, this will be the third or fourth kid from the 7th grade national AAU champion to transfer within one year of college. Grassroots ball has really screwed up a lot of kids.
I got that book too. The funny thing is Andrew Bock and Demetrius Walker from that book already transfered too.
In any event, I don't believe MU has a scholie to give Franklin or anyone else. Scholies are for one year, so MU does not have one to give as Reggie's scholie is still on the books.
No, they can give someone a scholie right now. Scholarships are for one year if the student is enrolled. Since Smith isn't enrolled, it does free up something for a mid-year transfer.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 06, 2011, 10:26:58 AM
No, they can give someone a scholie right now. Scholarships are for one year if the student is enrolled. Since Smith isn't enrolled, it does free up something for a mid-year transfer.
Not saying they should, but could they also give Frozena a scholarship for his final semester? Aside from the cost of the scholarship, that wouldn't affect our recruiting or roster in any way, would it?
He's a SG in a PG body......
Chicos
What's with all the Mater Dei guys and transferring? The Wears last year, now this.......are they overrated coming out of HS?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 06, 2011, 10:26:58 AM
No, they can give someone a scholie right now. Scholarships are for one year if the student is enrolled. Since Smith isn't enrolled, it does free up something for a mid-year transfer.
So we could take a transfer and have him eligible for the 2nd semester next year. Interesting.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2011, 10:15:24 AM
In one of the great coincidences of our time Chicos "got religion" in April of 2008. Things that he had overlooked or defended (Saunders, transfers,etc) became practices that caused weeping, gnashing of teeth, and,of course, a great deal of squirming.
Transfers don't cause squirming....other things certainly do.
And yes, I gave the benefit of the doubt to a Final Four coach who rebuilt MU. Hypocritical? Yup.
I was told, here, by certain posters, that when the old regime went things would change. Transfers would stop, missing out on recruits and making reaches for them would stop, etc, etc......
Carry on Dr. House
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Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 06, 2011, 10:26:58 AM
No, they can give someone a scholie right now. Scholarships are for one year if the student is enrolled. Since Smith isn't enrolled, it does free up something for a mid-year transfer.
Think you are wrong. IWB has pointed this out in the past.
OK... I must admit after I typed it I had to think about it. I guess that prevents coaches from forcing kids out at semester if a better offer comes along.
Thanks.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2011, 10:15:24 AM
In one of the great coincidences of our time Chicos "got religion" in April of 2008. Things that he had overlooked or defended (Saunders, transfers,etc) became practices that caused weeping, gnashing of teeth, and,of course, a great deal of squirming.
No different than the coincidence that
exactly the same time many people suddenly came to accept that transfers were a normal part of the game.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2011, 10:15:24 AM
In one of the great coincidences of our time Chicos "got religion" in April of 2008. Things that he had overlooked or defended (Saunders, transfers,etc) became practices that caused weeping, gnashing of teeth, and,of course, a great deal of squirming.
Well said ...nary a word about Crean breaking a NLI back then from the moral conscience of MU basketball. Did he fear losing the pleasure of a reach around?
Quote from: Marquette84 on January 06, 2011, 01:01:53 PM
No different than the coincidence that exactly the same time many people suddenly came to accept that transfers were a normal part of the game.
I didn't criticize Crean over tranfers and I don't criticize Buzz over them. To me it's part of the game and has been for some time.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on January 06, 2011, 02:38:06 PM
Well said ...nary a word about Crean breaking a NLI back then from the moral conscience of MU basketball. Did he fear losing the pleasure of a reach around?
The situations were entirely different and you know it. One kid was kicked to the curb because we got a transfer (which we working on for months and was not a surprise) and the other was kicked to the curb because DJ didn't go pro, he had criminal issues, etc.
Looking at that gut on you Robbie, it's safe to say the reach around from Ms. Dimes would require her to grow a wingspan rivaling Manute Bol's (RIP)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 06, 2011, 04:09:14 PM
I didn't criticize Crean over tranfers and I don't criticize Buzz over them. To me it's part of the game and has been for some time.
Of course not, you joined in 2009
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 06, 2011, 04:28:17 PM
The situations were entirely different and you know it. One kid was kicked to the curb because we got a transfer
I thought you didn't know the truth on this? You're stating it as thought it were fact - do you believe you have all the facts and know the truth? 'Kicked to the curb'?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 06, 2011, 12:01:44 AM
Yup....but with 345 DI teams with 13 players each squad, that's almost 4,500 players. You get the idea. Now, let's say for kicks that 25% are seniors that can't transfer, that leaves about 3350 that could transfer...you could even go so far as to only include Freshmen and Sophomores and now you're at 2,250 players eligible to transfer.
Yes, it happens "all the time" but there are a number of schools where it happens very little or maybe once or twice in a decade and yet they are top 40 programs.
I suspect that the intensity of our program under Buzz is astonishing to many freshmen who have cruised through high school basketball. It's a shock to many who have never worked so hard and sat so much. In a few years, MU should have a rep that weeds out the guys who aren't tough enough to work through the experience. And yes, the 40% claim is not reality.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 06, 2011, 04:53:40 PM
I thought you didn't know the truth on this? You're stating it as thought it were fact - do you believe you have all the facts and know the truth? 'Kicked to the curb'?
Do you think the situations were the same?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 06, 2011, 05:34:56 PM
Do you think the situations were the same?
Are you going to answer the question or not?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 06, 2011, 05:34:56 PM
Do you think the situations were the same?
They weren't the same.
Newbill's was far better. He was "kicked to the curb" about two months earlier in the calendar year than Sauders, giving him a much more reasonable amount of time to weigh his options and find a situation he believed was right for him.
Saunders was "kicked to the curb" just days before most schools began their first semesters, leaving him in a significantly more difficult position to find a new home.
By the way, I'm pretty sure Marquette's coaching staff knew well before late August that Saunders had criminal issues and DJ was returning to school. Yet they waited and waited and waited before cutting the kid loose. You know, because DJ was returning and Saunders had criminal issues.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 05, 2011, 10:37:29 PM
It happens "all the time" to some programs. We could just as easily publish all the schools it didn't happen to and there would be a much longer list.
Some programs - like Duke, North Carolina, and Kansas - just don't have a coach that knows how to treat young men right. I would like to see a list of major schools that don't have transfers.
Ugh, Newbill again? Oh well.
Anyway, do we even know Newbill was "kicked to the curb"? Considering how heavily he was recruited, I really think the idea of him being allowed to sign a NLI while also being told that it may be rescinded if we got another player we were pursuing (Wilson) is entirely plausible. Why does everyone assume that the story of PhillyCoach, who apparently wasn't even one of Newbill's main advisers in his recruitment, is true? I realize it's half-dozen of one and six of the other in terms of who we want to believe, but it seems that Buzz having a caveat on his scholarship is entirely believable. A bit foolish, and hopefully something he's learned from, but still believable.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 06, 2011, 06:19:19 PM
They weren't the same.
Newbill's was far better. He was "kicked to the curb" about two months earlier in the calendar year than Sauders, giving him a much more reasonable amount of time to weigh his options and find a situation he believed was right for him.
Saunders was "kicked to the curb" just days before most schools began their first semesters, leaving him in a significantly more difficult position to find a new home.
The big difference is that in 2007 the staff actually wanted Saunders and hoped he'd be admitted.
And even you argued that point at the time. Recall that you were the one who made the case that Blackledge was a far more likely target to leave the team. He already had academic issues that caused him to miss the 2nd semester his junior year. He hadn't particularly distinguished himself with strong play in the one semester he did play.
Factor in that Saunders was a very promising incoming frosh while at best Blackledge would give you one more year, and the Occam's Razor explanation is that the staff waited because they wanted Saunders (and vice versa) and they were hoping that the MU admissions office would not deny him admission (or possibly rescind a prior admission) because of the arrest.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 06, 2011, 06:19:19 PMBy the way, I'm pretty sure Marquette's coaching staff knew well before late August that Saunders had criminal issues and DJ was returning to school.
As I've said before, you're a master of making true but irrelevant statements. Yes, of course the staff knew about the criminal issues. The whole world knew.
What the staff did NOT know was whether or not Saunders would be admitted.
And regardless of what you say, the MU admissions office has the final determination on whether a student--especially one that now has an arrest on his record--will be admitted. It's not a coaching staff decision.
I've seen this movie before. It was bad then, not going to be good now. Locked.