0 and 4 today with MSU and UM getting destoyed by middle of the road SEC teams. PSU losing by 14 to a Florida team that is so bad that Urban Meyer is bailing out. Will Bucky make it a clean sweep?
Face reality B10 football fans, if SEC football is D1, B10 football is D1AA.
(If Auburn beats Oregon, this will be the fourth year in a row the NC is from the SEC. Has 110 years of B10 football even produced four NCs?)
And face reality B10 basketball fans, if BE basketball is D1, B10 basketball is D1AA.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 01, 2011, 04:19:01 PM
0 and 4 today with MSU and UM getting destoyed by middle of the road SEC teams. PSU losing by 14 to a Florida team that is so bad that Urban Meyer is bailing out. Will Bucky make it a clean sweep?
Face reality B10 football fans, if SEC football is D1, B10 football is D1AA.
I think you could say this about any conference outside of the SEC this year. Whomever is second best, is a distant second from the SEC.
but B10 fans are delusional enough to believe they belong on the same field with SEC teams.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 01, 2011, 04:21:37 PM
I think you could say this about any conference outside of the SEC this year. Whomever is second best, is a distant second from the SEC.
The Pac Ten has a few teams that might differ. Go Ducks against Auburn. Go Stanford later tonight.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 04:50:38 PM
The Pac Ten has a few teams that might differ. Go Ducks against Auburn. Go Stanford later tonight.
as you are fond of pointing out, you can't just compare the top teams from one conference against the top teams from another conference. ;)
It's all or nothing. In that circumstance, the SEC is head and shoulders above the Pac-10
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 01, 2011, 04:53:12 PM
as you are fond of pointing out, you can't just compare the top teams from one conference against the top teams from another conference. ;)
It's all or nothing. In that circumstance, the SEC is head and shoulders above the Pac-10
Actually, the Pac Ten CONFERENCE is ranked #1
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc10.htm
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 04:50:38 PM
The Pac Ten has a few teams that might differ. Go Ducks against Auburn. Go Stanford later tonight.
Don't stay up too late. Stanford-Va. Tech is Monday night
Quote from: nyg on January 01, 2011, 04:58:06 PM
Don't stay up too late. Stanford-Va. Tech is Monday night
LOL....damnit. I'm old school, keep all these games on the 1st!!!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 05:02:16 PM
LOL....damnit. I'm old school, keep all these games on the 1st!!!
Yeah. Check the schedule, there is a game on almost everynight until 1/10/11.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 04:55:51 PM
Actually, the Pac Ten CONFERENCE is ranked #1
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc10.htm
Or not...
http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/conference (http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/conference)
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 01, 2011, 05:16:56 PM
Or not...
http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/conference (http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings/conference)
You do realize what you just posted is flawed....it includes the AP Poll rankings and the Harris poll. To evaluate a COMPLETE conference you must evaluate EVERY team in that conference. The AP and Harris polls only rate teams which get votes, not every team in the conference. In other words, the AP poll may have 7 SEC teams ranked and 5 unranked. They may have the 6 Pac Ten teams ranked and 4 not ranked, but where did the unranked teams rate? They don't in the human polls. So there is no "drag effect" using this method.
Now, saying all that....I just looked at the BCS computers, one has the Pac Ten first, two have the Big 12 first, two have the SEC first, another didn't list the conference ratings so who knows if that would even things out for the Pac Ten or give the Big 12 or SEC the nod.
Go Oregon! Go Stanford! Go TCU!
As an second football season ticket holder, we always consider a pac10 or b12 south team a much tougher opponent than a big 10 foe. We've been joking all along that michigan state could possibly be voted into the top 10 as another overrated b10 team.
I can see why delaney wants the conference realligned and why he trashed cam newton so badly with a clean program like osu.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 05:37:13 PM
You do realize what you just posted is flawed....it includes the AP Poll rankings and the Harris poll. To evaluate a COMPLETE conference you must evaluate EVERY team in that conference. The AP and Harris polls only rate teams which get votes, not every team in the conference. In other words, the AP poll may have 7 SEC teams ranked and 5 unranked. They may have the 6 Pac Ten teams ranked and 4 not ranked, but where did the unranked teams rate? They don't in the human polls. So there is no "drag effect" using this method.
Now, saying all that....I just looked at the BCS computers, one has the Pac Ten first, two have the Big 12 first, two have the SEC first, another didn't list the conference ratings so who knows if that would even things out for the Pac Ten or give the Big 12 or SEC the nod.
Go Oregon! Go Stanford! Go TCU!
no I did not know that. Glad the BCS backed me up (sort of) :P
I'd like to thank the Badger fans that came to So. Cal to spend their money and help our ridiculous economy. Now go home...bye bye.
Nice job TCU! 4th win in 5 BCS bowl games by the non-auto qualifier. Welcome to the Big East!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 07:12:23 PM
I'd like to thank the Badger fans that came to So. Cal to spend their money and help our ridiculous economy. Now go home...bye bye.
Nice job TCU! 4th win in 5 BCS bowl games by the non-auto qualifier. Welcome to the Big East!
+1
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 07:12:23 PM
I'd like to thank the Badger fans that came to So. Cal to spend their money and help our ridiculous economy. Now go home...bye bye.
Now come on. Don't be a dick about it.
Wisconsin played their game...TCU was just better.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 07:12:23 PM
Nice job TCU! 4th win in 5 BCS bowl games by the non-auto qualifier. Welcome to the Big East!
Love seeing another BCS loss to a non-BCS school. And I don't care that the Big East is part of the BCS in football. And I don't care that TCU will soon be part of the BCS.
Bottom line for the BCS apologists... your BCS school just lost to yet another non-BCS school. I am sure you will take solace in that you have more students in your school, or you would win a popularity contest, or your market is bigger, blah, blah.
YOU LOST!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2011, 07:25:42 PM
Now come on. Don't be a dick about it.
Bah. As an unfortunate taxpayer supporter of the UW system, Chicos, you have my permission to be a dick about it.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 01, 2011, 07:30:58 PM
Bah. As an unfortunate taxpayer supporter of the UW system, Chicos, you have my permission to be a dick about it.
Hey, the UW System would gladly take less money to be released from the State's bureaucracy. A good friend of mine who is one of the top people at UW-Whitewater, and also an MU alum, would talk your ear off about problems that the state gives UW.
+1 on tcu -getting the be into texas will be a boost for be football - the big loser tonight is texas, who kept tcu out of the b12
Even as a partisan sec fan, I will admit the sec east was terrible this year, and it is a very close call asto whether the pac10. B12 or second was the best overall. What any rational football fan can agree is that the b10 is not in the top 3, and may not have been since 2005.
However on chicos last point, all I can say is WAR EAGLE. Sorry, I literally live 2 miles from auburn's stadium :-)
Hopefully uconn won't embarrass us tonight, because if they are respectable and the be finishes with another winning bowl record while signing up tcu, it gets pretty hard for delaney to rationally argue that the be doesn't belong in the bcs.
:'( :'( :'( :'(
Can someone get this guy a tissue?? Anyone?? I didnt think so.
Teach Me
How To
Sucky
Ok. I watched the game. Yes, I saw how.
Quote from: wesmat23 on January 01, 2011, 07:43:03 PM
:'( :'( :'( :'(
Can someone get this guy a tissue?? Anyone?? I didnt think so.
Show Me
How To
Sucky
Ok. I watched the game. Yes, I saw how.
Plus one bajillion. Anytime anyone from Wisconsin says anything ever all you have to say is, "2011 Rose Bowl." The biggest game on a national holiday with everyone watching and you lose to TCU. I feel bad for Eduardo Najera because he put on a great show at the Bradley Center during the NCAA tournament when he played for Oklahoma. Then Oklahoma loses to Boise State in that Bowl Game, and that's all you remember Oklahoma for. Not for Blake Griffin or Billy Tubbs or Najera or Calvin Sampson or Stacey King. You hear Oklahoma, you say, 'Oh yeah. They lost to Boise State.'"
Wisconsin. That's the school that lost to TCU. Branded.
There is no shame in losing to TCU. Wisconsin didn't lose because of a couple gadget plays. They lost to a better team...that was favored.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2011, 08:06:24 PM
There is no shame in losing to TCU. Wisconsin didn't lose because of a couple gadget plays. They lost to a better team...that was favored.
Agreed. It is not like Wisconsin got blown out ala the Spartans did today. It was a great game to watch. TCU is for real.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2011, 08:06:24 PM
There is no shame in losing to TCU. Wisconsin didn't lose because of a couple gadget plays. They lost to a better team...that was favored.
Plenty of embarassment. I consider that the equivalent of shame.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2011, 08:06:24 PM
There is no shame in losing to TCU. Wisconsin didn't lose because of a couple gadget plays. They lost to a better team...that was favored.
So Wisconsin's simply worse than TCU. This was not a fluke. I'm OK with that. Wisconsin simply lost a game that they were supposed to lose. To TCU. On National TV. On New Year's Day. Where is TCU located, exactly?
Big Ten today....0-5
Worst single day bowl performance of any conference in college football history.
2011 is off to a FANTASTIC start
Quote from: karavotsos on January 01, 2011, 08:16:44 PM
So Wisconsin's simply worse than TCU. This was not a fluke. I'm OK with that. Wisconsin simply lost a game that they were supposed to lose. To TCU. On National TV. On New Year's Day. Where is TCU located, exactly?
Totally agree. No fluke when you have no pass rush and play soft coverage. In fact, pretty much unavoidable when you can't make a 39 yard field goal. Embarassing.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2011, 08:06:24 PM
There is no shame in losing to TCU. Wisconsin didn't lose because of a couple gadget plays. They lost to a better team...that was favored.
Those other BCS teams didn't just lose on a couple of "gadget" plays either. They just happened to be big plays but they hung in there with those BCS schools the entire game.
After hearing from Wisconsin fans how they were going to throttle the Frogs, how Wisconsin was the best team in the country except for one day in East Lansing, etc, etc....sorry, I'm enjoying today very much. I'm so sick of smug SEC, Big Ten and Big 12 fans saying how these schools could not compete with the BCS boys. How many times have they been proven wrong? Just about every year.
Besides, a friend of mine (former DTV colleague) heads up ISP Sports for TCU and I'm thrilled for him. Go Horned Frogs....it doesn't hurt any that it's UW-madison taking their lumps. LOL. I still wonder when that Big Ten Network kicks in for all of those national titles that will follow. LOL
I do like Sparty, but MSU getting rolled was worth it to make the B-whatever 0-5 today. History in the making. My wife has family at the Rose Bowl rooting for Wisconsin and I didn't used to hate Wiscy. But after learning what their fanbase is like, misery for buckynation makes me happy. And by extension, the B10. Because their sorry football has caused a whole lot of misery and angst about MU's future. So f-em all and I hope tOSU gets rolled too.
I've never really been a purple shirt guy before. Or a purple tie guy. Think its time to work a little purple into the wardrobe.
Remember that time when TCU beat Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2011, 08:06:24 PM
There is no shame in losing to TCU. Wisconsin didn't lose because of a couple gadget plays. They lost to a better team...that was favored.
Several of the callers to 540AM on Thursday afternoon would not agree with that statement. They had a poll asking...if you could only have one of your teams win this weekend would you want the Badgers or Packers to win? Granted, I could only listen a short time because I was afraid my head would explode while driving on I94, causing a huge accident, from listening to so many people say the Badger win was more important (in a glorified exhibition game that means nothing in the grand scheme of things other than giving Badger fans yet another opportunity to add to their red wardrobe with a Rose Bowl Champion shirt...whoops, have to keep bringing out that faded 1994 t-shirt). Anyway, several callers basically said that it wasn't so much that the Badger win was more important, it was that the embarrassment of losing to a nothing school would be worse than the Packers missing out on the playoffs. I think it would be safe to say, 95% or more of the callers thought it was a total joke that Madison wasn't favored. Uggghhh.
I wonder how many of those "fans" will be sitting near me tomorrow at Lambeau?
One more reason to be happy. The running up the score that BB was doing with Becky at the end of the season was a joke. There were plenty of people in the college football world with raised eyebrows. Karma was nice today after that complete nonsense he was doing.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec/31/sports/la-sp-bresnahan-on-badgers-20110101/2
(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=media%2Fgettyphoto%2F2011%5C01%5C01%5CGYI0062925597.jpg&w=427&h=589)
Came on here to read about the big WV win today but since everyone wants to talk football, how did our football team do today? I must have missed it.
Quote from: CivEng12 on January 01, 2011, 09:57:14 PM
Came on here to read about the big WV win today but since everyone wants to talk football, how did our football team do today? I must have missed it.
As many wins at the Big Ten combined, with five less losses.
Quote from: CivEng12 on January 01, 2011, 09:57:14 PM
Came on here to read about the big WV win today but since everyone wants to talk football, how did our football team do today? I must have missed it.
Yeah, 2 threads out of 100...sure equates to EVERYONE. LOL. For the record, we didn't win our football game, same performance that all 5 Big Ten teams had today.
Quote from: CivEng12 on January 01, 2011, 09:57:14 PM
Came on here to read about the big WV win today but since everyone wants to talk football, how did our football team do today? I must have missed it.
Yeah, as Chicos said like two topics about football with like 15 about the game. Must be hard avoiding this topic. I can see your irriation.
Almost as irritating as those people who lack integrity by pretending to be Marquette fans by posting as a supposed fan but are really here to Troll. You have like four posts and each one is defending the Badgers.
Please spare us on the wanting to read about the "big WV win" today. At least be honest and say you are a Badger fan than pretending to be here for Marquette basketball.
Quote from: karavotsos on January 01, 2011, 08:16:44 PM
So Wisconsin's simply worse than TCU. This was not a fluke. I'm OK with that. Wisconsin simply lost a game that they were supposed to lose. To TCU. On National TV. On New Year's Day. Where is TCU located, exactly?
Uh....Texas :D
Seriously, I watch a lot of college football. More than most of my UW fans who watch only a handful of games outside of UW games. TCU is a very solid football program... IMO the game was a toss up and played out as such. I wish UW would have won but there is no shame in losing to TCU.
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 01, 2011, 08:37:53 PM
Several of the callers to 540AM on Thursday afternoon would not agree with that statement.
Well, as I mentioned, I watch a lot of college football...it was at least the fifth time I saw TCU play this year. They are very good and deserved the #3 ranking going into the game.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 04:50:38 PM
The Pac Ten has a few teams that might differ. Go Ducks against Auburn. Go Stanford later tonight.
Wazzou...Go Cougs!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2011, 10:18:55 PM
Uh....Texas :D
Seriously, I watch a lot of college football. More than most of my UW fans who watch only a handful of games outside of UW games. TCU is a very solid football program... IMO the game was a toss up and played out as such. I wish UW would have won but there is no shame in losing to TCU.
Anyone catch the TCU player's post-game interview with Erin Andrews? Wow, busting out the bible verse, those kids are putting us to shame! of course we are a jesuit university so it's not like we really read the bible anyway, am i right?? :)
although now it may be just a SMIDGE harder to recruit out of Texas now... :(
and speaking of the photo above of the Sad Badger, so there were definitely people wearing replicas of badgers more realistic than that on their heads too. Wow, let's wear roadkill on our heads. Golden Eager > Badger any day of the week, so for those of you bitter about not returning to warriors ... life could be worse, we are not roadkill!
Classic
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=5979585
If only the Bears can knock the Packers out of the playoffs, Schadenfreude Weekend will be complete.
Stanford did their thing, now Oregon bring home the national title for the Pac Ten!!
Stanford was a very traditional looking football team.
I really don't understand how this is anything but an embarrassing loss for the Badgers. First off you look at how the Big Ten has performed during this bowl season (and typically performs during bowl seasons). 0-4 on the day going into the Rose Bowl, with most of them being blowouts? People say the Big East shouldn't get an automatic BCS bid. Well, with TCU coming to the Big East, and the Big Ten getting embarrassed, maybe the Big Ten should be the one without the automatic BCS bid.
Wisconsin fans thought they had the top team outside of the National Championship because the won the almighty Big Ten Conference. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas (although maybe OSU gives the Big Ten a TINY shimmer of credibility tonight, but I doubt it), and Mississippi State all would have won the Big Ten. That is FIVE teams from ONE conference that would be the best team in the Big Ten, and I had Badger fans telling me that the Big Ten was, at worst, on par with the SEC. Hilarious.
Then all the BCS conferences don't want smaller conferences to get BCS bids, and Wisconsin, the Big Ten champion, loses to the MOUNTAIN WEST champion. That's right, the Mountain West's best team is better than the Big Ten. And my guess is that not only would the first place, but also the second place, teams from the WAC (Nevada, Boise State) would also be better than the Big Ten.
And then you look at the actual matchup between Wisconsin and TCU. Everyone says TCU hasn't played anybody with their best wins being against a completely overrated Utah team and a .500 Oregon State team, and Wisconsin stomped through the Big Ten. (I also don't get how people can say that Wisconsin is the hottest team in the country despite the fact that Oregon, Alabama, and TCU were all undefeated...can you be any hotter than going 12-0 through the regular season?)
I heard a stat that Wisconsin's offensive lined averaged 70 pounds more per person than TCU's, and their defensive line averaged 60 pounds more than TCU's. That could be wrong, but the point is that Wisconsin was a TON bigger than TCU. Bielema and Wisconsin got completely outcoached. Any time they ran it between the tackles they picked up 8 yards. Any time the ran it outside they got stuffed. Why, when you have such a size advantage and TCU has such a speed advantage, would you continually run it out wide? And why would you line up in SHOTGUN on a 2 point conversion? You have such a huge size advantage and you are going to not only not run the ball, but you aren't even going to run a play action fake? Wow. Throughout the 2nd half Wisconsin kept passing and kept getting burned on blitzes. They finally went to the run on their last scoring drive and couldn't be stopped. If they run the ball throughout the entire second half, between the tackles, there's no way TCU wins that game.
Also, what was with the coverage? They were starting their cornerbacks 12 yards off of the line of scrimmage. Dalton better be sending their defensive coordinator a thank you card for that. They were able to just chip their way down field and take time off of the clock without any worry.
wades...I'm a Wisconsin football fan who heard all of this crap from other Wisconsin fans, but they were just wrong. TCU was a higher rated team that was favored by Vegas. Just because Wisconsin fans were delusional about their team and/or ignorant about TCU, doesn't mean it was an embarrassing loss.
I mean, they lost to an undefeated #3 team in the country. Nothing embarrassing about that.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 04, 2011, 03:59:42 PM
wades...I'm a Wisconsin football fan who heard all of this crap from other Wisconsin fans, but they were just wrong. TCU was a higher rated team that was favored by Vegas. Just because Wisconsin fans were delusional about their team and/or ignorant about TCU, doesn't mean it was an embarrassing loss.
I mean, they lost to an undefeated #3 team in the country. Nothing embarrassing about that.
Not embarrassing in the sense they lost to the #3 team. However, if I were a Badger fan I'd be screaming bloody murder why they didn't run the ball 80 times on Saturday. I don't get it, but I'm not complaining. Still chuckling in fact.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 04, 2011, 03:59:42 PM
wades...I'm a Wisconsin football fan who heard all of this crap from other Wisconsin fans, but they were just wrong. TCU was a higher rated team that was favored by Vegas. Just because Wisconsin fans were delusional about their team and/or ignorant about TCU, doesn't mean it was an embarrassing loss.
I mean, they lost to an undefeated #3 team in the country. Nothing embarrassing about that.
Fair enough. You're right that it's not embarrassing to lose to the #3 team in the country, but I don't think that TCU is truly the #3 team in the country. I think they're a very good football team, no doubt about it, but I think that if they played in the SEC they would have about 4 losses. They are good and beat who they could, but I don't think they're truly what they are ranked.
And as chicos said, I think if Wisconsin had run the ball and then run it some more, Wisconsin would have been the better football team. Wisconsin did not have a good gameplan and still almost took that game into overtime.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 04, 2011, 04:41:28 PM
Not embarrassing in the sense they lost to the #3 team. However, if I were a Badger fan I'd be screaming bloody murder why they didn't run the ball 80 times on Saturday. I don't get it, but I'm not complaining. Still chuckling in fact.
Then you haven't watched Wisconsin play much. Wisconsin was fairly balanced but ran when the games were out of hand. That run / pass mix was pretty typical in a close game.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 04, 2011, 07:20:37 PM
Then you haven't watched Wisconsin play much. Wisconsin was fairly balanced but ran when the games were out of hand. That run / pass mix was pretty typical in a close game.
You're right, I don't watch them often by choice. I get that there is a mix, but TCU also was a run dominated team yet they had the smarts to switch their attack against UW-madison. The Badgers didn't do that. They had a huge advantage on the line and chose not to exploit that. Inexplicable in my opinion.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 04, 2011, 07:26:36 PM
You're right, I don't watch them often by choice. I get that there is a mix, but TCU also was a run dominated team yet they had the smarts to switch their attack against UW-madison. The Badgers didn't do that. They had a huge advantage on the line and chose not to exploit that. Inexplicable in my opinion.
Chicos, they had 67 offensive plays and ran on 46 of them. They only had nine incomplete passes all game. Not really a bad mix IMO
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 05, 2011, 11:58:22 AM
Chicos, they had 67 offensive plays and ran on 46 of them. They only had nine incomplete passes all game. Not really a bad mix IMO
It's not just the mix, but what plays you call and when. UW had close to 5 yards per carry while their pass per attempt was probably 6 or 7 yards.
As an example, 4th quarter you guys are trailing by only one possession, but BB has Tolzien throw on three straight plays, all incomplete. Badgers forced to punt. Next time Wisconsin gets the ball....10 play drive...9 of them rushes. Totally blew TCU away. I just don't understand why they didn't do that earlier. I'm an absolute believer in mixing up plays, but when you have such a HUGE size advantage and three horses to carry the ball I don't get how their staff can throw the ball three straight times.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 05, 2011, 12:30:54 PM
As an example, 4th quarter you guys are trailing by only one possession, but BB has Tolzien throw on three straight plays, all incomplete. Badgers forced to punt. Next time Wisconsin gets the ball....10 play drive...9 of them rushes. Totally blew TCU away. I just don't understand why they didn't do that earlier. I'm an absolute believer in mixing up plays, but when you have such a HUGE size advantage and three horses to carry the ball I don't get how their staff can throw the ball three straight times.
I completely agree. Even if TCU was stopping them earlier on, had they stuck with the run and kept pounding, they would have completely dominated the second half of that game. Classic case of a coach outsmarting himself. Barry Alvarez would have run the ball 'every time' from the get go and dared TCU to stop them. By the time the 4th Quarter rolled around, UW would have been beating them like a drum. They got a little too pass happy in the 2nd and 3rd (even start of the 4th) quarter. Difference in the game in my opinion.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 05, 2011, 12:30:54 PM
As an example, 4th quarter you guys are trailing by only one possession, but BB has Tolzien throw on three straight plays
Throwing the ball late in the 4th quarter worked so well for UW against Appalachian St and Indiana they thought they should try it again.
Chicos...I'll agree to disagree, but never refer to UW as "mine" or anything of the sort. ;D