I thought he played quite well. Some silly fouls, but he is MILES ahead of JC. It's stunning to me that JC was a RSCI top 50 player. STUNNING.
I wanna jump on Junior's bandwagon, but today when he was in we look absolutely awful. I will agree with you on this
Quote from: jhags15 on January 01, 2011, 12:00:25 PM
I wanna jump on Junior's bandwagon, but today when he was in we look absolutely awful. I will agree with you on this
He looks so uncomfortable. He picks up his dribble for no reason. It's 4 on 5 when he's out there because he is not an offensive threat. I know he's recovering from a serious injury but it's definitely a different team when he is out. We become very stagnant and easy to defend.
I'm holding out hope that Junior looks slow because of the injury and he will be quicker next year...because he is our point in 11-12 no matter what.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2011, 12:09:51 PM
I'm holding out hope that Junior looks slow because of the injury and he will be quicker next year...because he is our point in 11-12 no matter what.
I pray we have a plan B in the works.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 12:07:13 PM
He looks so uncomfortable. He picks up his dribble for no reason. It's 4 on 5 when he's out there because he is not an offensive threat. I know he's recovering from a serious injury but it's definitely a different team when he is out. We become very stagnant and easy to defend.
I also think he's become very tentative and is looking to NOT make mistakes rather than looking to make a play. Other than his first appearance in the game where he aggressively attacked the rim (but missed I think) he didn't do anything to initiate offense which is supposed to be his job. I thought he was better defensively today for what that's worth.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 01, 2011, 12:11:49 PM
I also think he's become very tentative and is looking to NOT make mistakes rather than looking to make a play. Other than his first appearance in the game where he aggressively attacked the rim (but missed I think) he didn't do anything to initiate offense which is supposed to be his job. I thought he was better defensively today for what that's worth.
I was actually most happy with Junior today when he did attack the rim (albeit it got blocked - it was the right basketball play), and was also happy when he followed that up with a jumper from the elbow..albeit he missed..but again..the right basketball play.
Buycks looked good today, some of his usual mistakes but getting better.
Quote from: Ners on January 01, 2011, 12:12:01 PM
Derrick Wilson...
OK...a *better* plan B. I've been hearing about how great our incoming freshman PGs are for the past two off-seasons. (Junior and Smith) Let's just say I'm skeptical.
Quote from: Ners on January 01, 2011, 12:13:16 PM
I was actually most happy with Junior today when he did attack the rim (albeit it got blocked - it was the right basketball play), and was also happy when he followed that up with a jumper from the elbow..albeit he missed..but again..the right basketball play.
Agree. He had moments...needs to have extended periods of time. I think he needs one breakout performance to get his confidence up and he'll start to play better.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 12:07:13 PM
It's 4 on 5 when he's out there
They should get the Admirals' power play clock going at the BC when he enters the game.
Quote from: Ners on January 01, 2011, 12:13:16 PM
I was actually most happy with Junior today when he did attack the rim (albeit it got blocked - it was the right basketball play), and was also happy when he followed that up with a jumper from the elbow..albeit he missed..but again..the right basketball play.
Also agree. Funny but he looked better when he received the second pass of the possession and took it into the lane. Unfortunately, he seemed to look for a shot rather than dumping it off (too bad Gardner wasn't in there?).
When he brought the ball across the line, I noticed that almost always his (first and only) pass was back towards midcourt (to Crowder mostly, I think) then he disappeared.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 01, 2011, 12:14:32 PM
OK...a *better* plan B. I've been hearing about how great our incoming freshman PGs are for the past two off-seasons. (Junior and Smith) Let's just say I'm skeptical.
Fair enough..however..unfortunately the wrong Point Guard decided to transfer. Reggie has A LOT more upside than Junior. I've felt that way for the past year. Junior has a PG mentality, and sees the floor well (except today where he completely blew it on a set play that got DJO open for a 3 from the left wing when DJO had knocked down 3 shots in a row from that part of the floor in his 12-point run).
However, Junior just doesn't have the athleticism to be an elite level PG in the Big East. Hopefully he gets some confidence, keeps working, and can be solid. Losing Reggie hurt MU...even though some felt he turned the ball over too much in his short time here...he had all the tools and was only 10 games into his college career.
Quote from: Ners on January 01, 2011, 12:25:16 PM
Fair enough..however..unfortunately the wrong Point Guard decided to transfer.
Yeah, but it's not like we had a choice. :D
I'd much rather see Vander play backup point than Junior. Nothing gets done when Junior allegedly runs the offense.
Writing PG's off 18 games into their college career is a mistake. He needs to get better. He knows it, Buzz knows it. Let him play 15 minutes a game as our back up PG/4th guard. As 4th guards go, he isn't bad. Hopefully, it comes together for him.
Junior
-dribbles too high
-doesn't attack with confidence
-doesn't shoot with confidence
-is content with running the offense as a pass-first and pass-second PG
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 01, 2011, 01:03:44 PM
Junior
-dribbles too high
-doesn't attack with confidence
-doesn't shoot with confidence
-is content with running the offense as a pass-first and pass-second PG
-seems to be off balance and on the verge of falling over at all times
Quote from: National Champs on January 01, 2011, 01:14:20 PM
-seems to be off balance and on the verge of falling over at all times
That sounds like me after having a few too many last night! ;D
Quote from: National Champs on January 01, 2011, 01:14:20 PM
-seems to be off balance and on the verge of falling over at all times
Still trying to get back to 100% after the achilles injury? I thought his first take to the rim was a nice play that got blocked. His open 17 footer looked a little flat. Made a nice reverse cut to get his layup. Falling down in the corner while dribbling.....yeah, not so good.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2011, 01:55:03 PM
Still trying to get back to 100% after the achilles injury?
No doubt that he is still affected. Just hope he comes together soon. BEast will steepen the learning curve a good bit. Hope our young guys are up to the challenge.
Buycks has a sick cross over btw. Must have perfected that on the playgrounds of Milwaukee.
I thought JC looked like our only point guard to start the season (I'm thinking the Duke game??). Anyhow, this wasn't his type of game against the 2-3 zone. He obviously needs to improve, but he's not turnover prone, not selfish, and from what I saw earlier in the season, he's capable of making his teamates better. We'll see what transpires over the next few games, but I'm not giving up on him yet.
Obviously he is not as talented, but I see DB have a little Jerel McNeal in him.
Quote from: indymufan on January 01, 2011, 02:03:22 PM
Obviously he is not as talented, but I see DB have a little Jerel McNeal in him.
Yeah, that's who he reminds me of too. I think he may be a little quicker than Jerel as well. Not nearly as strong though.
Buycks has been a lot better at pushing the ball- he has added the 45 degree pass to the opposite side and is really looking to get the team easy transition buckets. Still learning the half court as a 1. People always say he's not a 1 like its a negative. No one ever says, Buycks is doing a great job picking up being a 1. I think he's adding a lot to his game and doing a really good job in learning to be the 1. And for him I think his game starts with on-ball defense. Really like his work ethic, attention to detail and basketball mind.
Quote from: karavotsos on January 01, 2011, 02:31:03 PM
Buycks has been a lot better at pushing the ball- he has added the 45 degree pass to the opposite side and is really looking to get the team easy transition buckets. Still learning the half court as a 1. People always say he's not a 1 like its a negative. No one ever says, Buycks is doing a great job picking up being a 1. I think he's adding a lot to his game and doing a really good job in learning to be the 1. And for him I think his game starts with on-ball defense. Really like his work ethic, attention to detail and basketball mind.
Agree...Buycks is definitely playing the best basketball of his MU career. Really good all around play.
Buycks looked great. He looks pretty good in almost every game. He's just become a favorite to pick on because of the few silly errors he might make some games, but he certainly is playing well.
Buycks was great today. When WVU made their second half run to take the lead, it was refreshing to hear people around me calling for him to come back in. Glad to see that the rest of the Marquette faithful are realizing how well he is playing. He did a really good job out there. Hopefully between Caddy and Blue we are covered next year. Honestly, with DJO in the starting lineup, I have great faith in Blue. Looking at how far he's come this year, I think he'll acclimate pretty well to a starting role, even at a demanding position like PG, in 10 months.
1)Buycks played great today other than foul trouble which sometimes can't be helped. If he had a turnover I don't remember it but I certainly remember a couple nice shots, steals, and great assists. I don't recall seeing any posts from 'nomorebuycks' on here mercifully. This team needs DB in a big way.
2)JC just doesn't do much out there. Defensively he was okay but he's a very distant 2nd to DB right now.
3)I don't understand what people on this board see, but VANDER BLUE IS NOT A POINT GUARD. He is a decent ball handler and a 2-guard but he is not a PG. When he was the PG a couple games ago, he struggled greatly bringing the ball up against pressure and the offense sputtered. VB will be a great player when he fixes his shooting mechanics (which most definitely need to be fixed) but he isn't a PG.
Quote from: warriors1991 on January 01, 2011, 03:26:28 PM
3)I don't understand what people on this board see, but VANDER BLUE IS NOT A POINT GUARD. He is a decent ball handler and a 2-guard but he is not a PG. When he was the PG a couple games ago, he struggled greatly bringing the ball up against pressure and the offense sputtered. VB will be a great player when he fixes his shooting mechanics (which most definitely need to be fixed) but he isn't a PG.
Vander is a very good passer. And with his height can see some things shorter guards cannot. You may be right on the ball handling right now but remember he will improve immensely as he not even half-way through his Frosh season. I think he could be a one in the future, though to your point (no pun intended) maybe just not right now.
If Vander spends the entire offseason focusing on becoming a lead guard, we'll see. Now is not the time to try to make a kid who has never been a regular point guard into one. He has lots of skills and continues to stuff the stat sheet, but he isn't a 1 and won't be this year.
Quote from: warriors1991 on January 01, 2011, 03:26:28 PM
3)I don't understand what people on this board see, but VANDER BLUE IS NOT A POINT GUARD. He is a decent ball handler and a 2-guard but he is not a PG. When he was the PG a couple games ago, he struggled greatly bringing the ball up against pressure and the offense sputtered. VB will be a great player when he fixes his shooting mechanics (which most definitely need to be fixed) but he isn't a PG.
Neither is Buycks, but he had one offseason to acclimate to acting as one and he's done a pretty decent job. No reason to think that with 3-1/2 more years, a player with as much raw talent as Blue can't develop into a very good PG.
agree that Dwight had a great day, and I too was calling for him when he sat w/ his 3rd foul. I feel Jr. may be too tentative after his injury, afraid (maybe subconsciously) to go all out.
Dodds, on the other board, has done a good job of documenting Tony Smith's transformation into a point guard. He arrived at MU with zero point guard capability, and over time, via athleticism and smarts, became an effective PG. I think its plausible that VB can do the same. In fact, if we are going to be good next year, I think VB will have to play the point. Unless we get a JuCo x-fer, that is.
On Buzz's TV show he stated that Vander can play some point, but it's not his position. Said it would be good for him to see what a pg sees, and then move back to his natural position as it would help him become better at that position. He didn't seem one bit convinced that Vander would ever spend any serious time at the point. That being said, I wonder what Buzz has for a plan next year. Even if JC is a good option (and I still think he will be), our second option becomes Vander, Wilson, or Singleton...
Quote from: AZWarrior on January 01, 2011, 05:28:59 PM
Dodds, on the other board, has done a good job of documenting Tony Smith's transformation into a point guard. He arrived at MU with zero point guard capability, and over time, via athleticism and smarts, became an effective PG. I think its plausible that VB can do the same. In fact, if we are going to be good next year, I think VB will have to play the point. Unless we get a JuCo x-fer, that is.
Have we forgot that D Wilson is coming in next year? Just cause Buzz had a PG transfer and Junior is not yet what we thought he should be doent mean D Wilson is going to be a bust. The last PG we had here that had the football skills that D Wilson does his name was Tony Miller.
DB had his best game as an Eagle. Team runs much better with him at the point. Apart from the fouls, he cut down on his mistakes signifiantly.
Next year's PG may be playing JUCO right now.
Buyks played a good game. Looks very athletic. He can shoot and drive. Looks very capable. JC looks tentative. Not a threat. I like Buyks!
Quote from: chren21 on January 01, 2011, 05:43:44 PM
Have we forgot that D Wilson is coming in next year? Just cause Buzz had a PG transfer and Junior is not yet what we thought he should be doent mean D Wilson is going to be a bust. The last PG we had here that had the football skills that D Wilson does his name was Tony Miller.
I don't think anyone has forgotten him, but relying on freshmen point guards is a dicey affair. DJ was an exception to the rule.
As crazy as it may sound...Dave Singleton might be a legitimate option for point next year. Wes Matthews said that of all the newcomers - Dave Singleton impressed him the most - during the Milwaukee Pro Am. Singleton is NOT your typical walk on. Good size, handle and athleticism. Obviously Junior Cadougan was said to have played great in the Pro Am...but I trust Wesley Matthew's knowledge/talent evaluation to a decent extent as Wes has a very high basketball IQ..
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 06:17:50 PM
I don't think anyone has forgotten him, but relying on freshmen point guards is a dicey affair. DJ was an exception to the rule.
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