Ahhhh. Let's learn from the mistakes and get better
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2011, 11:57:14 AM
Ahhhh. Let's learn from the mistakes and get better
Agreed. A game we had to win, should have won and took care of business and DID win. Plenty of things to clean up but it's a W.
Now, what will the Jim Burr conspiracy theorists say? ;D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 11:58:15 AM
Agreed. A game we had to win, should have won and took care of business and DID win. Plenty of things to clean up but it's a W.
Now, what will the Jim Burr conspiracy theorists say? ;D
He did alright in this one.
Whew, nice game. I vote for Crowder as Stud. All agree???
Free throws, especially front end misses are hurting.
DJO and JB had great second half. Crowder and Buycks in first half.
Other things: Is Junior a BE guard?
No Gardner, EWill or Jones, even for a minute?
Now, what will the Jim Burr conspiracy theorists say? ;D
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Nice one- Even a blind squirrel couldn't have missed that last brake away intentional foul!
Love how hard Marquette played! Great win!
I wish Jamail would get a look. Especially if we are going to see the zone a lot. We need an outside threat.
Quote from: Danny Noonan on January 01, 2011, 12:02:56 PM
Nice one- Even a blind squirrel couldn't have missed that last brake away intentional foul!
Burr didn't even make that call either. He had a minimal impact on the game today, which is the way it should be.
SOTG -- Crowder for his overall game, but Butler was difference in final minute.
Burr brought his A game. Looking sharp for 2011
Quote from: National Champs on January 01, 2011, 12:06:29 PM
Burr didn't even make that call either. He had a minimal impact on the game today, which is the way it should be.
Actually watch it again...both lead refs made that call (trailing ref was off camera). Burr was on the other side (the bench side) while the other ref was next to the play. Wasn't Burr's call, but yes he made the call...he put the cross arms up as soon as he crossed the half court line.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 12:09:32 PM
Actually watch it again...both lead refs made that call (trailing ref was off camera). Burr was on the other side (the bench side) while the other ref was next to the play. Wasn't Burr's call, but yes he made the call...he put the cross arms up as soon as he crossed the half court line.
yes he did. Burr is hard to miss out there and I actually looked for him to see what he was going to do. He got it right.
Quote from: National Champs on January 01, 2011, 12:04:49 PM
I wish Jamail would get a look. Especially if we are going to see the zone a lot. We need an outside threat.
He actually got sent to the scorer's table at about the 13 minute mark..but there was no stoppage of play until 11 minute mark, which triggered TV timeout..after which he was back on the bench. He will get some PT this season..
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 12:09:32 PM
Actually watch it again...both lead refs made that call (trailing ref was off camera). Burr was on the other side (the bench side) while the other ref was next to the play. Wasn't Burr's call, but yes he made the call...he put the cross arms up as soon as he crossed the half court line.
Nice, I didn't catch it the first time through. I think we can put the conspiracy theory to bed on that note. Great game by MU, they showed a lot of heart.
Free throws at the end of the game....these guys have got to step up and shoot like juniors and seniors.
DJO miss on front end of 1 and 1
Crowder's miss
Butler misses 2nd shot (but fortunately hit the critical first one)
Nerve racking.
Happy MUthafraking New Year!
Jae was great, DJO showed his confidence and shooting touch when we needed it, and Jimmy came through with the leadership and took care of business at the end. It obviously wasn't perfect, but this is what I would hope for from what looks to be our main three weapons this season.
I continue to be impressed with the improvements Dwight has made from last season, and I love the contributions from Vander.
This team is fun to watch, but frustrating--just like every Marquette team for the last several years.
Bottom line is that we started off our BE season with a win against a solid team. Now it's time for the team to turn their focus to Rutgers Wednesday and me to turn my attention to football until then. Let's go Packers.
Quote from: drewm88 on January 01, 2011, 01:10:01 PM
Jae was great, DJO showed his confidence and shooting touch when we needed it, and Jimmy came through with the leadership and took care of business at the end. It obviously wasn't perfect, but this is what I would hope for from what looks to be our main three weapons this season.
I continue to be impressed with the improvements Dwight has made from last season, and I love the contributions from Vander.
This team is fun to watch, but frustrating--just like every Marquette team for the last several years.
Bottom line is that we started off our BE season with a win against a solid team. Now it's time for the team to turn their focus to Rutgers Wednesday and me to turn my attention to football until then. Let's go Packers.
+1
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 11:58:15 AM
Agreed. A game we had to win, should have won and took care of business and DID win. Plenty of things to clean up but it's a W.
Now, what will the Jim Burr conspiracy theorists say? ;D
Regarding Jim Burr, if you've listened to Homer he has it correct. Jim Burr makes at least one call per game to prove he is smarter than anyone else -- a ridiculous call that has nothing to do with the game aside that a rule exists and Jim Burr decides to enforce it within the 40 minutes of that game. MU does not lose games because of Jim Burr; nor does any other team. There are enough plays that Jim Burr does not mess up in a game that he officiates to rightfully decide the game. However, that does not mean that Jim Burr is excused for officiating games based on insecurities within his own mind that have nothing to do with the game of basketball. It does not mean that Jim Burr is nothing other than a giant d---bag. It does not mean that when Burr makes a terrible call at a critical moment that you cannot hate him for it.
Even though we won a game that Jim Burr officiated, I still extremely dislike him. I give him no credit for the win as I do not blame him for any loss. Dante has reserved a ring of hell for people like Jim Burr, but that does not involve me. That is my assessment of Jim Burr.
Quote from: karavotsos on January 01, 2011, 03:25:06 PM
Regarding Jim Burr, if you've listened to Homer he has it correct. Jim Burr makes at least one call per game to prove he is smarter than anyone else -- a ridiculous call that has nothing to do with the game aside that a rule exists and Jim Burr decides to enforce it within the 40 minutes of that game. MU does not lose games because of Jim Burr; nor does any other team. There are enough plays that Jim Burr does not mess up in a game that he officiates to rightfully decide the game. However, that does not mean that Jim Burr is excused for officiating games based on insecurities within his own mind that have nothing to do with the game of basketball. It does not mean that Jim Burr is nothing other than a giant d---bag. It does not mean that when Burr makes a terrible call at a critical moment that you cannot hate him for it.
Even though we won a game that Jim Burr officiated, I still extremely dislike him. I give him no credit for the win as I do not blame him for any loss. Dante has reserved a ring of hell for people like Jim Burr, but that does not involve me. That is my assessment of Jim Burr.
All right then. I like it.
How is Jim Burr allowed to officiate THREE STRAIGHT MU games? And Corbertt does two in a row? Begs to question what goes on in the NCAA and BE supervisors offices. Really inappropriate besides the Burr fun for the fans who were riding his arse all day. Vander was tripped in the corner right in front of him and he let play go on which caused many Vandy catcalls.
For the record, I think he is a good ref, he is consistent in that he let's them play. I just don't think that style is good for MU's smaller and quicker players (clutch and grab) as witnessed in our 2-7 two year record (MVS and WVU wins now to make it 2-1 this season). Didn't matter today as we matched up well with WVU.
btw, I really liked that the BC showed more of the replays today on some calls...as is usually the case, the refs always get it right.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2011, 03:52:51 PM
How is Jim Burr allowed to officiate THREE STRAIGHT MU games? And Corbertt does two in a row? Begs to question what goes on in the NCAA and BE supervisors offices. Really inappropriate besides the Burr fun for the fans who were riding his arse all day. Vander was tripped in the corner right in front of him and he let play go on which caused many Vandy catcalls.
For the record, I think he is a good ref, he is consistent in that he let's them play. I just don't think that style is good for MU's smaller and quicker players (clutch and grab) as witnessed in our 2-7 two year record (MVS and WVU wins now to make it 2-1 this season). Didn't matter today as we matched up well with WVU.
btw, I really liked that the BC showed more of the replays today on some calls...as is usually the case, the refs always get it right.
Burr reffed the Kentucky Louisville game in between ours.
Quote from: karavotsos on January 01, 2011, 03:25:06 PM
Even though we won a game that Jim Burr officiated, I still extremely dislike him. I give him no credit for the win as I do not blame him for any loss. Dante has reserved a ring of hell for people like Jim Burr, but that does not involve me. That is my assessment of Jim Burr.
We've won many many games under Jim Burr over the last decade plus (yes, I know we lost 7 of the last 8 or whatever with him as ref). I just find it comical that when we lose a few that he happens to ref in, it's suddenly Jim Burr is one of the reasons (but when we win when he's reffing, then it's because of something else).
As for the special ring in hell....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 04:00:30 PM
Burr reffed the Kentucky Louisville game in between ours.
So? My claim is how is he or any ref allowed to work three
straight games for any team, let alone Marquette? So much for neutrality...not claiming conspiracy just totally inappropriate in the regular season. No checks and balances in place by the supervisors.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2011, 04:09:54 PM
So? My claim is how is he or any ref allowed to work three straight games for any team, let alone Marquette? So much for neutrality...not claiming conspiracy just totally inappropriate in the regular season. No checks and balances in place by the supervisors.
Pretty simple...costs. There are only so many refs and a lot of games. Burr only works Big East and Big Ten games. With 16 teams in the conference and 18 games each, that's a ton of games that need 3 refs.
Besides, if a ref is considered impartial, which by definition a ref is supposed to be, it shouldn't matter if a ref does 20 straight games for a team. He's supposed to make calls based on whether something is a foul or not a foul, not look at what name is on the uniform or who is coaching first to decide how impartial he will be that game.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 04:44:58 PM
Pretty simple...costs. There are only so many refs and a lot of games. Burr only works Big East and Big Ten games. With 16 teams in the conference and 18 games each, that's a ton of games that need 3 refs.
Besides, if a ref is considered impartial, which by definition a ref is supposed to be, it shouldn't matter if a ref does 20 straight games for a team. He's supposed to make calls based on whether something is a foul or not a foul, not look at what name is on the uniform or who is coaching first to decide how impartial he will be that game.
Sorry, completely and totally inappropriate in a betting world just from an appearance sake. No way should this EVER be allowed to happen--even under this assumption of objectivity. Statistical analyses show refs are different in their style and the number of calls they make. These are the tools that supervisors use and recognize to combat the human factor to reduce bias but for a team to face an individual's biases three games in a row is neither fair nor balanced. To have refs scheduled for 2 or 3 straight game for the same team introduces a non-objective bias (recency of MU's players and style of play, a coach or ref po'ed from a missed call that determines the previous game's outcome, a ref's anticipation).
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 01, 2011, 04:44:58 PM
Besides, if a ref is considered impartial, which by definition a ref is supposed to be, it shouldn't matter if a ref does 20 straight games for a team. He's supposed to make calls based on whether something is a foul or not a foul, not look at what name is on the uniform or who is coaching first to decide how impartial he will be that game.
In a perfect world, perhaps. But refs are like anyone else: they start to develop likes/dislikes etc., and by the same ref facing the same teams over and over, its hard for a player to shake such a bias.
The best thing I heard at the game today: As Burr ran by the guy sitting next to me yelled "just retire!"
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 01, 2011, 05:01:32 PM
Sorry, completely and totally inappropriate in a betting world just from an appearance sake. No way should this EVER be allowed to happen--even under this assumption of objectivity. Statistical analyses show refs are different in their style and the number of calls they make. These are the tools that supervisors use and recognize to combat the human factor to reduce bias but for a team to face an individual's biases three games in a row is neither fair nor balanced. To have refs scheduled for 2 or 3 straight game for the same team introduces a non-objective bias (recency of MU's players and style of play, a coach or ref po'ed from a missed call that determines the previous game's outcome, a ref's anticipation).
In a perfect world, I'd agree with you. With the size of the conference, the number of games played, the limits on refs in terms of schedules and availability, not sure that's always going to be possible.
No beef with today's officiating.
See my problem is i just can't tell Jim Burr & Tim Higgins apart from my eagles' nest in the BC.... dang it. But i *did* definitely recognize him as one of the vandy refs, though!
Stellar game, loved every minute, i hope somebody heard me yell at Kilicli that he had a girl's name (Deniz/Denise) during his foul shots. Loved yelling at Flowers when he fouled out. Loved the Trinity Irish dancers @ halftime (Best entertainment yet??). Love Crowder's heart/effort/toughness (Diving on ground for loose balls, the deflection/steal, 3pointers rebounds, just epic!). Loved DJO showing up, Joey Fulce. Only sad about many many lay-ins we just can't capitalize on, and of course the perennially shaking FT shooting....
Also LOVED that there were bells in the band today (What up Band Alumni Day) as i have missed them greatly so far this season. (they look like mini metal xylophones in case you're wondering).
OOh, speaking of band, don't know if anyone else noticed (i kinda hadn't initially either myself), but i'm pretty pissed the drumline can't play cadences before foul shots any more :( "And1s" are just not the w/o "Score" for us and "You Got Lucky" for the opponents. ::sigh::
Anyway, finally, this is BEAST basketball, and I am sure glad we are back in session! Also, I hope TCU is taking notes this season, they better be ready to ante up for the bball aspect of the conference!!