Where was DJO going anyhow? He wouldn't have gotten to the basket in time.
Why not pull up for a jumper?
It wasn't the refs fault that DJO was completely out of control.
My bigger issue with the refs was the clear path foul that was not called when DJO was on the break. That would have been 2 FT's for us and the ball
Did you see the Vandy guy in a suit tell DJO "you got robbed" during the handshakes? It was right in front of the camera
F*ck Jim Burr... he screwed up this game as well as the Notre Dame game last year, when he kicked the ball back inbounds
Quote from: marquette09 on December 29, 2010, 10:17:12 PM
My bigger issue with the refs was the clear path foul that was not called when DJO was on the break. That would have been 2 FT's for us and the ball
I don't believe that there is a clear path foul in the NCAA...only the NBA.
Quote from: elephantraker on December 29, 2010, 10:19:59 PM
Did you see the Vandy guy in a suit tell DJO "you got robbed" during the handshakes? It was right in front of the camera
You got robbed, but thanks.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 29, 2010, 10:22:53 PM
I don't believe that there is a clear path foul in the NCAA...only the NBA.
That play was a hell of a lot closer to an intentional foul than the horseshit Burr called on Crowder.
Burr needs to retire or fucking die.
Don't blame the refs. Blame Buycks.
Crowder almost took him out on that play where he was fouled
Being a Packers, Brewers, and Marquette fan is extremely bad for my health. Heartbreak is a way of life.
I only blame the refs when Jim Burr is one of them.
We are we blaming Buycks? (If ur post is teal my apologies as I am mobile). But I thought Buycks made some huge plays.
Quote from: MU B2002 on December 29, 2010, 10:31:57 PM
We are we blaming Buycks? (If ur post is teal my apologies as I am mobile). But I thought Buycks made some huge plays.
it was teal
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 29, 2010, 10:22:53 PM
I don't believe that there is a clear path foul in the NCAA...only the NBA.
There is an intentional foul in the NCAA and they could use film of that play as an example. And if they're looking for film on what's NOT an intentional foul they can go to Burr's call on Crowder. I won't say an official cost us the game because you never know what else might have changed if Burr doesn't totally blow those 3 calls, but if you miss the easy ones you have no business being out there.
Quote from: MU B2002 on December 29, 2010, 10:31:57 PM
We are we blaming Buycks? (If ur post is teal my apologies as I am mobile). But I thought Buycks made some huge plays.
Yes, it was in teal. Buycks definitely came up big tonight. I was simply mocking the poster who started this thread. I bet you can guess his screen name.
It doesn't matter where DJO was going on that last play. It was a foul.
Jim Burr spit on the spot that DJO slipped on just prior to the play right?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 29, 2010, 10:41:35 PM
There is an intentional foul in the NCAA and they could use film of that play as an example. And if they're looking for film on what's NOT an intentional foul they can go to Burr's call on Crowder. I won't say an official cost us the game because you never know what else might have changed if Burr doesn't totally blow those 3 calls, but if you miss the easy ones you have no business being out there.
First off, I agree 100% that the Crowder call was BS. But I don't think an intentional on DJO would have been a good call either...and I don't think that was Burr's call to make. My recollection was that Burr was in the far corner when that was made.
What would it take to get a fol called on the road? Obviously not a trip. Closeline? Punch to the head? Stabbing?
While I'm almost never a proponent of blaming refs for the final outcome, Burr was responsible for two horrendous intentional foul call screwups and then just stood there looking like the old man in the movie "Up" while DJO got dislodged at the end. Absolutely awful. I'm refraining from profanities because they're still spewing out of my mouth at the TV screen.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 29, 2010, 10:49:53 PM
What would it take to get a fol called on the road? Obviously not a trip. Closeline? Punch to the head? Stabbing?
It varies. Are you Georgetown in 08?
Can anyone clarify what happened on the 3 that Crowder shot with about 1 minute left that would have put us up 1 or 2? Otule had box out position and rebounded the ball...but the officials whistled it the other way (but Otule had 4 fouls on him at that time). Commentators never mentioned what happend..may have assumed a foul on Otule. From what I saw the ricochet of Crowders shot didn't project in such a way that it went behind the basket..if it did bounce on the top of the backboard..and on down to Otule..is the top of the backboard considered out of bounds?
Quote from: warriors1991 on December 29, 2010, 10:49:59 PM
Burr was responsible for two horrendous intentional foul call screwups and then just stood there looking like the old man in the movie "Up"
First time I laughed all night
Appeared to go over corner of the backboard.
I thought the rebound went over the backboard. It obviously wasn't a foul.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 29, 2010, 10:54:27 PM
I thought the rebound went over the backboard. It obviously wasn't a foul.
It went over the corner of the backboard. I thought it had to hit something but that may be only the pros I guess?? Correct me if I am wrong.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 29, 2010, 10:54:27 PM
I thought the rebound went over the backboard. It obviously wasn't a foul.
Just re-watched it (duh!!), and it did go over the corner of the backboard..never touched the top..or the corner for that matter...but I guess that is the rule..that if any part of the ball comes down "behind" the backboard..it is considered out of bounds?? Ironically Burr was stationed under the basket at that time..but did not whistle it..it was the official outside the 3 point line.
Sadly..Otule had a complete uncontested dunk...there was nobody in his way..easy dunk putback..the breaks I guess. Can you clarify if the above is considered out of bounds - even though the ball never touched the top or corner of backboard?
Quote from: Ners on December 29, 2010, 10:58:51 PM
Just re-watched it (duh!!), and it did go over the corner of the backboard..never touched the top..or the corner for that matter...but I guess that is the rule..that if any part of the ball comes down "behind" the backboard..it is considered out of bounds?? Ironically Burr was stationed under the basket at that time..but did not whistle it..it was the official outside the 3 point line.
It's not Burr's call. He is supposed to be looking to make sure nothing is happening under the basket with boxouts, etc. The ref up top *is* supposed to make that call.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 29, 2010, 10:49:41 PM
First off, I agree 100% that the Crowder call was BS. But I don't think an intentional on DJO would have been a good call either...and I don't think that was Burr's call to make. My recollection was that Burr was in the far corner when that was made.
Even the announcers were stunned when Burr missed the intentional on the DJO breakaway. They were also in agreement (after multiple viewings of the replay) that DJO was tripped/fouled on the final play. That said, there's no crying in basketball. Get ready for UWV.
Quote from: timinatorx3 on December 29, 2010, 10:55:39 PM
It went over the corner of the backboard. I thought it had to hit something but that may be only the pros I guess?? Correct me if I am wrong.
If it goes over the plane of the backboard, then it's out of bounds, dead ball. But it can hit the top of the backboard and come back into the court of play legally. If it at any point fully crosses over the plane above the backboard, the whistle should blow.
I thought it may have nicked the support wire on that corner (one hangs down to each corner of the backboard at Memorial).
Quote from: NCAARules on December 29, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
If it goes over the plane of the backboard, then it's out of bounds, dead ball. But it can hit the top of the backboard and come back into the court of play legally. If it at any point fully crosses over the plane above the backboard, the whistle should blow.
I thought it may have nicked the support wire on that corner (one hangs down to each corner of the backboard at Memorial).
Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: NCAARules on December 29, 2010, 11:02:06 PM
If it goes over the plane of the backboard, then it's out of bounds, dead ball. But it can hit the top of the backboard and come back into the court of play legally. If it at any point fully crosses over the plane above the backboard, the whistle should blow.
I thought it may have nicked the support wire on that corner (one hangs down to each corner of the backboard at Memorial).
Thanks for the clarification..seems like the rule SHOULD be just the opposite?? Right?! Why should the ball be considered to still be in bounds if it bounces off the top of the backboard..yet if it comes down behind the plane of the backboard it is considered out of bounds?? (which is still probably about 2-3 feet inbounds) given the way baskets extend out over the baseline now days..)
Quote from: Ners on December 29, 2010, 11:05:17 PM
Thanks for the clarification..seems like the rule SHOULD be just the opposite?? Right?! Why should the ball be considered to still be in bounds if it bounces off the top of the backboard..yet if it comes down behind the plane of the backboard it is considered out of bounds?? (which is still probably about 2-3 feet inbounds) given the way baskets extend out over the baseline now days..)
Ya I thought it had to hit the shot clock or some part of the hoop apparatus behind the plane of the backboard but I wasn't sure if that was only in the pros (or even if that is the case in the pros).