We have a big non conference game tomorrow night. Has there ever been a good matchup, nationally televised no less, that has had less discussion?? Jiminy Christmas! We've got a huge game tomorrow, with the Big East opener three days later and we're talking about a freaking lightly recruited freshman who decided he wasn't getting enough playing time?
What do we think about tomorrow? I think we're in some trouble tomorrow...but what about WV?
Little late.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=23099.0
PRN, can you please say Jiminy Holidays.
Thanks.
Well, for what it's worth, I drove down to Nashville with my fiancée from Chicago and I'm pumped for the game. I'm expecting a much-needed non-conference W!
I'm oddly confident, and I tend to be more on the pessimistic side.
I just have a feeling the Smith transfer will galvanize the team a bit. Everyone who will be there wants to be there.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 29, 2010, 01:01:48 AM
I'm oddly confident, and I tend to be more on the pessimistic side.
I just have a feeling the Smith transfer will galvanize the team a bit. Everyone who will be there wants to be there.
Meanwhile, I have a pretty strong feeling that we will get blown out.
Extremely tough place to play! We have yet to show much against the better competition thus far, so I'm predicting a loss. (I say this without seeing Vandy play this year so I really have no clue matchup wise how it breaks down. They don't have that 7ft Australian guy anymore do they?)
Vandy is favored by 7.5. The over/under is 146.
Quote from: mu77vegas on December 29, 2010, 08:09:27 AM
Vandy is favored by 7.5. The over/under is 146.
7.5???
I'll take MU and the under
We match up very, very poorly with Vandy...first road game...if we are within 7.5 I will be pleased.
One thing that I think will be telling is the rotations. My guess is that Buzz will tighten things up in preparation for the BE season and we will see no more than 8 guys playing most minutes.
Vandy does have some good front court personnel. They have a size advantage, however I would say that our talent is better 1-8. Need good presence from Otule/Gardner tonight. Jimmy has to be Jimmy +, and Jae needs to duplicate his game against Mississippi Valley.
Pomroy has Vandy 17 in the country and us losing by 8. If DJO is on his game tonight, in a similar fashion as to what we saw last year...MU wins...if DJO has a bad game...similar to Wisconsin, Duke...we lose.
That said, I think Marquette wins tonight..and the Baby Blue curse is reversed tonight!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 29, 2010, 07:27:45 AM
Meanwhile, I have a pretty strong feeling that we will get blown out.
This.
This is a great test for MU and will be a measuring stick to see if we are improving and have hope for the BEast season or if we are as mediocre as we have looked early in the year. Win or lose, I am most interested to see signs of growth from our young guys, better rebounding, some consistency from the outside, and the spirit/effort that usually typifies an MU team under Buzz.
If the game is horribly unbalanced on the boards, DJO goes 1-15 from the field, the offense can not get established and we get killed by the 3-ball, I will officially be worried.
I think it will be a hard fought, tight game to the very end.
Quote from: Ners on December 29, 2010, 08:52:58 AM
Vandy does have some good front court personnel. They have a size advantage, however I would say that our talent is better 1-8. Need good presence from Otule/Gardner tonight. Jimmy has to be Jimmy +, and Jae needs to duplicate his game against Mississippi Valley.
Pomroy has Vandy 17 in the country and us losing by 8. If DJO is on his game tonight, in a similar fashion as to what we saw last year...MU wins...if DJO has a bad game...similar to Wisconsin, Duke...we lose.
That said, I think Marquette wins tonight..and the Baby Blue curse is reversed tonight!
I would disagree, but it is close.
My fear is we get outrebounded by a much bigger team, get blown out of the water, and this board loses its collective crap.
Quote from: Ners on December 29, 2010, 08:52:58 AM
Vandy does have some good front court personnel. They have a size advantage, however I would say that our talent is better 1-8. Need good presence from Otule/Gardner tonight. Jimmy has to be Jimmy +, and Jae needs to duplicate his game against Mississippi Valley.
Pomroy has Vandy 17 in the country and us losing by 8. If DJO is on his game tonight, in a similar fashion as to what we saw last year...MU wins...if DJO has a bad game...similar to Wisconsin, Duke...we lose.
That said, I think Marquette wins tonight..and the Baby Blue curse is reversed tonight!
I hope you are right, but simply don't see it. Vandy better team, we're on the road.
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on December 29, 2010, 07:31:53 AM
Extremely tough place to play!
Also a weird place to play. Floor is elevated from close-in rows; team benches are on the baseline.
Anybody who is there: Check out the history/trophy hallway, if you can find it. If I recall correctly, Vandy was the first SEC school to integrate men's basketball, and that particular display case is worth a visit.
That said, let's surprise some oddsmakers and bring back a W tonight.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 29, 2010, 09:51:50 AM
I would disagree, but it is close.
My fear is we get outrebounded by a much bigger team, get blown out of the water, and this board loses its collective crap.
I too am fearful of the reaction here if we do get blown out...but it really has been hard to blow out a Buzz-coached team..so hoping that doesn't happen, and also hoping that we surprise some of our fan base and pull this one out.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 29, 2010, 10:00:33 AM
I hope you are right, but simply don't see it. Vandy better team, we're on the road.
Vandy definitely does have talent, and the home court advantage..but the underdog role seems to suit Buzz teams well..think he rallies the troops with an us against them message..and we pull a slight upset. Other than North Carolina (who also got beat by Minnesota by 5 - who we just saw get beat by Wisco by 8) Vandy doesn't exactly have any quality wins...unless you want to count Nebraska? I just don't see a blow out happening..seems people were more confident about our chances against Duke than Vandy..
The key to the game is whether DJO can find his stroke from 3. He doesn't have to be lights out of course, but he can't be ice cold either. In other words, we need the 2009-10 version of DJO.
Defensive rebounding and outside shooting will be what I'm looking at. With the outside shooting, I'll be looking at the percentage, and the number of attempts. This team can't shoot 21 threes like they did in both of the CBE games.
We need to balance any deficiencies in the rebounding game with a positive turnover margin tonight.
Quote from: dsfire on December 29, 2010, 11:43:32 AM
We need to balance any deficiencies in the rebounding game with a positive turnover margin tonight.
What about deflections? Oh, wait...that bus left for Bloomington
YAY!!! Another lame Crean reference!!
Quote from: Ners on December 29, 2010, 11:22:23 AM
I just don't see a blow out happening..seems people were more confident about our chances against Duke than Vandy..
I think that a lot of people had somewhat unrealistic expectations at the beginning of the year. Those expectations have turned into a near panic...
but isn't that most rabid fan bases? :)
If anyone cares ESPN SFTC seems to be confused as to the favorite. Prop: Vandy 3 pt shots made or MU margin of victory.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 29, 2010, 01:37:35 PM
I think that a lot of people had somewhat unrealistic expectations at the beginning of the year. Those expectations have turned into a near panic...
but isn't that most rabid fan bases? :)
Very good point. :)
I did not realize that Vandy is ranked #24 in the AP until this morning. Not that it should matter... But for some reason it makes me want to win even more.
Just read on a Vandy blog:
Forward Lance Goulbourne (6.7 rpg) has been suspended for two games by the NCAA for receiving improper benefits. He sat out the win vs. Middle Tennessee State and he'll sit tonight, too.
That is the best news I have heard all day.
Quote from the Vanderbilt Blog
"Goulbourne was suspended for an unspecified number of games after a NCAA ruling declared that he received improper benefits in 2009. The benefit in question was a $258 parking pass that the then-sophomore bought from a senior manager on the men's basketball team. Since the manager was labeled as a staff member at Vanderbilt, Goulbourne was found to have broken NCAA rules and put in street clothes for the game."
Looks like we caught a little bit of a lucky break there, that seems a tad harsh?
Either way I won't complain.
I see this game very similarly to our game vs. Tennessee a couple of years ago. That is, we're competitive and keep it to about 10 points, but never a threat to win.
Tipoff at 8:08 central time... Yeah, I'm overly excited. It happens.
Don't worry, you aren't the only one. I was pissed when I realized it was 8:08 central and not eastern.
Some of the NCAA rules are ridiculous. A student can't BUY a parking pass from someone? What if a staff member's family owns a convenience store in the area... can a player not purchase gum there?
Quote from: National Champs on December 29, 2010, 07:54:54 PM
Some of the NCAA rules are ridiculous. A student can't BUY a parking pass from someone? What if a staff member's family owns a convenience store in the area... can a player not purchase gum there?
Mac on the pregame said it is a really, really stupid rule.
Scary fact - I wasn't aware Vandebilts home court advantage was THIS significant:
VU has posted a 701-188 (.788) all-time record at the 59-year old facility
Blue not starting. DJO, buycks, Jae, Butler, Otule
No Blue?
First time I've ever noticeably seen DJO use the pump fake and quickly make a move.
The 10 feet of empty court on the top of the screen just looks bizarre.
Otule with a nice drop of a perfect pass that should have been a dunk...if only he had Gardner's hands..
Wow, we look like :-X
More cases where people don't want to take the shot, unless it's a bad, off-balance shot. Buycks is the only guy out there who looks like he has a clue, that floater was nice.
We are in big trouble. Please put the OX in.
Now it is clearer to me why Otule gets such limited minutes. He has hands of absolute stone....you can't even get it in to him as he will fumble it. Makes me miss Burke who could at least catch and jam it. He is also out of position on help-side defense and rebounding. Wow.
The real possibility exists that MU just isn't any good.
It's hard to be a good team when the defense flat out STINKS.
And it's hard to be a good team when your center can't catch the basketball.
When does Marquette take the court?
Ugh, even Butler's afraid to shoot? Why he kicked that out I don't understand.
And that's the first time all year that Crowder has missed his first 3-point attempt.
Taylor's killing us.
?-(
We've got some work to do....
God this court is odd.....seeing Buzz come out on the baseline after a foul is just unnatural.
Nobody seems confident enough to take a shot except DB and JC.
Fulce is looking good on the boards early. I hope he can play 20 minutes tonight, we'll need it. Crowder also looking confident.
Good to see Fulce with a rebound...he looks okay. Otule catches and scores?????
"Otuley" two in a row!
I am eating crow....at least the last two possessions. Maybe Buzz put some Texas Stick-um on Otule's hands...
O............TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL...............EH
Marquette is hanging in. Defense is loose though. At least they are snagging the defensive rebounds. Need to tighten the D.
Will MU's defensive rotations ever get straightened out?
Vanderbilt rocking "Brick House" during the timeout....must be to honor the last meeting between MU and Vandy in 1974.
I suddenly like
OX!....maybe Brick House was his entry music
Blue wants to go pro, lol?
Seriously....what has happened to DJO and who put voodoo on his shot?
If DJO is 3/4 of what was expected this year, the season would be looking a little different.
Ugh...DJO is looking awful in meaningful games. Now he's missing free throws too?
Still, I like what I've seen so far. Down 8, but plenty of flashes. Just need to keep stringing runs together and there's no reason we can't be in this with a chance to win at the end.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2010, 08:32:47 PM
Ugh...DJO is looking awful in meaningful games. Now he's missing free throws too?
Still, I like what I've seen so far. Down 8, but plenty of flashes. Just need to keep stringing runs together and there's no reason we can't be in this with a chance to win at the end.
Flashes?
Are you kidding?
The team is an absolute mess with DJO not being able to shoot.
With NOBODY being able to shoot. Shot selection is really suspect. The last one by Fulce could not be one that Buzz wants in that situation.
Quote from: nomorebuycks on December 29, 2010, 08:34:27 PM
Flashes?
Are you kidding?
The team is an absolute mess with DJO not being able to shoot.
No, not kidding, troll. Better rebounding than we've seen the past few weeks, Crowder and Buycks both looking solid. The only guy beating us in Taylor. We need to go at him as he has a tendency to get into foul trouble. After a slow start, we got right back in the game with a 10-3 run. We keep doing that, we're right there.
And if DJO can't shoot, then DJO shouldn't play. Buycks, Blue, and Cadougan should play if they are the more reliable options.
Vandy is blocking shots, we're not getting any TOs/easy buckets. Gotta tighten up the D, move the ball around, better shot selection.
Butler must be content to be a complimentary player much of the time.
He should be the leader out there with DJO gagging.
Quote from: murobrob on December 29, 2010, 08:32:14 PM
Seriously....what has happened to DJO and who put voodoo on his shot?
If DJO is 3/4 of what was expected this year, the season would be looking a little different.
He's gotta get it going...looks like we have bad DJO again tonight..and no way we can win if that is the case..at least we are in the bonus now..should be able to make up a little ground
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 29, 2010, 08:37:11 PM
.......Crowder and Buycks both looking solid.
I have come to respect Buycks game more and more. He gets a lot of crap and is not a true pg....but he can create space on the drive and is not afraid to pull the trigger when he has an open shot. I'm still not sure about Crowder taking the 3, but, he seems to be doing as well if not better than anyone else from behind the arc.
Wow...get this thing to a couple of buckets by half time and that is not too shabby considering some of the stretches in this game....and...who names a kid Festus?
Quote from: nomorebuycks on December 29, 2010, 08:38:11 PM
Butler must be content to be a complimentary player much of the time.
He should be the leader out there with DJO gagging.
Need More Buycks.
Need More Buycks.
Need More Buycks.
Keep trolling away jag.
Quote from: murobrob on December 29, 2010, 08:42:47 PM
Wow...get this thing to a couple of buckets by half time and that is not too shabby considering some of the stretches in this game....and...who names a kid Festus?
LMAO
Nomorebuycks,
If DB starts to shine, and DJO struggles, will you be changing your name to nomoredjo?
Quote from: Ners on December 29, 2010, 08:43:52 PM
Need More Buycks.
Need More Buycks.
Need More Buycks.
Keep trolling away jag.
Oooh, it's the weird fanboy.
Hello fanboy.
Quote from: reinko on December 29, 2010, 08:44:40 PM
Nomorebuycks,
If DB starts to shine, and DJO struggles, will you be changing your name to nomoredjo?
MU is a below .500 team without a decent DJO.
Quote from: nomorebuycks on December 29, 2010, 08:34:27 PM
Flashes?
Are you kidding?
The team is an absolute mess with DJO not being able to shoot.
Oh look, moron. Another flash, we're tied with the ball, and DJO still not shooting. More proof you have no clue what you're talking about.
Props to Otule....I ripped him in the first two minutes and he has come back nicely....good for him and my bad for knocking him so early in the game.
Nice run for MU.
For the lead!
another key defensive rebound not gotten...
Really nice d by e will on that last possession.
don't give up a 3 to end the half...
That's the DJO we know and love.....
The last 6 minutes the spark seems to be back...great sign.
Bit of a dumb play for DJO. 2-second difference between game and shot, no reason to push. At least he knocked down one of the free throws, and hopefully the foul will help in the second half.
Looks like we'll have the lead going into halftime...so what's the negative spin you have for that, nomorebuycks?
all the missed FT's could end up being crucial...
Look who's winning.
Join us in the chat room:
http://www.muscoop.com/chat/flashchat.php
Blue is really really good on man-up defense. Keeps in front, in the grill and aggressive without fouling. I love watching him play....he will be fun to watch as he matures his game.
Quote from: nomorebuycks on December 29, 2010, 08:44:46 PM
Oooh, it's the weird fanboy.
Hello fanboy.
Anyone who resorts to being a troll - or has nothing better to do with their life - is the definition of weird. And..loser.
Rough start, but after being down 16-5, the team did a great job to finish outscoring Vandy 32-18. Two big scoring runs helped that. Buycks has been our best player so far, doing it both on the offensive end and the defensive. His near-steal in the Vandy backcourt was a very heads up play. He saw the PG look back to Stallings for guidance and tried to take advantage. Crowder also playing well, DJO coming on late, and Butler with a couple nice shots from 3.
I still think we are in the underdog position, but this is definitely the best first half we've played against real opposition this season. Now we just need to string another half like that one and we'll have that signature non-con win that could help us come March. The next 20 minutes are huge.
EDIT: And in a shock, I'm agreeing with nomorebuycks!!! Those missed free throws could be huge late in the game. 4/9 in the first half, but there is a positive spin in that Ezeli, Tchiengang, and Odom all have 2 fouls. If I'm Buzz, I'm telling Gardner to be ready for some minutes in the second half. We need him down low to draw fouls. It may force us to slow the pace a bit, but if it depletes their defensive options in the paint we can dominate the last 5 minutes of this game.
At the beginning, we were just giving up way too many transition baskets because we turned the ball over and took really dumb shots. Once we settled down and got them into a halfcourt game, we did fine...including rebounding the ball.
They do show flashes....and if those can string out a little more consistently, good things are ahead. I thought the 2nd half of the Duke game was a good half for MU and the last 10 minutes of this half seem about the best MU has played against a quality opponent. This would be a huge win.
By the way, the BEast looks beastly. SJU wins at WVU and N.D. beats up Georgetown. This will be one nasty conference season.
Great comeback. Sultan nailed it with the TO's leading to east transition buckets. I think were fortunate they were cold from 3 as they had some wide open looks. Let's keep the Mo going for the 2nd half!
Looking solid after taking Vandy's big punch in Round 1. Gotta tighten up the 3 defense..Vandy' probably has missed 3 looks from 3 they normally make. So far i've liked the substitution pattern...giving breathers here and there for the primary players on our team.
Vander looks a little "geeked". Hopefully he can settle down..thought he made a few bad decisions offensively/rushed a few shots. That said, we have been VERY aggressive going to the rim..and can't fault that effort. We are really taking it to Vandy.
The speed and intensity of this game look very, very high to me.
Somebody teach D Gardner to rebound and defend or sit his azz for the rest of the year. No effort.
Djo finally gave it up on the break!
Quote from: Ners on December 29, 2010, 09:08:53 PM
Looking solid after taking Vandy's big punch in Round 1. Gotta tighten up the 3 defense..Vandy' probably has missed 3 looks from 3 they normally make. So far i've liked the substitution pattern...giving breathers here and there for the primary players on our team.
Vander looks a little "geeked". Hopefully he can settle down..thought he made a few bad decisions offensively/rushed a few shots. That said, we have been VERY aggressive going to the rim..and can't fault that effort. We are really taking it to Vandy.
The speed and intensity of this game look very, very high to me.
I agree and love the aggressiveness in using speed and quickness to take it to the hoop. When the outside shots are not falling, use your strength and get to the rim and foul line.
Otule!!!! What has gotten in to him? Maybe the realization that he will not play if he does not start performing.
Quote from: murobrob on December 29, 2010, 09:15:15 PM
Otule!!!! What has gotten in to him? Maybe the realization that he will not play if he does not start performing.
Hope he didn't hurt his foot defending that 3 that their big hit..after it...Otule came down gingerly..and they took him out..tho he has 3 fouls..did Ezeli just pick up his 3rd on Butler?
WTH are the fans booing about. It is called defense.
MU up 7 to trailing in no time...
Otule only has one eye? Like the guy on Boardwalk Empire?
Thanks nmb. Was getting to optimistic in here.
Quote from: reinko on December 29, 2010, 09:20:01 PM
Otule only has one eye? Like the guy on Boardwalk Empire?
I heard this as well.... Is he actually blind in the one lazy eye?
That 3 pt shot from the Vandy Center might have changed the entire game.
Buycks' passes are always too late.
Last three minutes....brutal.
Quote from: bossmustang on December 29, 2010, 09:25:55 PM
Last three minutes....brutal.
I hate when we give up a three with less than 5 seconds on the shot clock...or...um...foul someone when they are drilling a three from the corner
4 pt play.
Ballgame.
Quote from: murobrob on December 29, 2010, 09:28:58 PM
with 12 minutes to play?????
Yep, bad DJO is back this half.
That guy is the key to the season. They cannot win if he isn't playing well.
At first nomorebuycks,
I got angry at your negative posts. Now I feel kinda bad. Your life is so empty, that you have to do this to gain some kind recognition. Bummer for you.
Quote from: bossmustang on December 29, 2010, 09:25:55 PM
Last three minutes....brutal.
Thats when Vandy went to zone. With no outside shooters, this will be tough.
I am a huge Buzz supporter but this is one of the worst coached MU teams I have seen in a while. Sure we are athletic and can get to the rim but what about fining the open man, hitting an open jumper, boxing out... WTF!
Buycks really sloppy with the ball...what else is new?
Blue can get to the hoop, but doesn't always go as strongly as he should.
IMO, MU just isn't talented enough to beat a good team. And Vandy is a good, but far from great, team.
And a close loss is just a loss, period.
This is the thing that he sucked at in his one year at UNO, his defense was atrocious there. It's slowly creeping into Buzz's program,, no f**king defense.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on December 29, 2010, 09:33:09 PM
I am a huge Buzz supporter but this is one of the worst coached MU teams I have seen in a while. Sure we are athletic and can get to the rim but what about fining the open man, hitting an open jumper, boxing out... WTF!
How much is coaching and how much is execution and the players? Considering Butler has deferred and is not stepping up as the senior stud leader we had hoped for and DJO is just not the DJO expected....MU is almost playing from behind on the opening tip.
This team is still growing and WILL get better. Not to worry. they are playing pretty well on the road
Quote from: AlienWarrior on December 29, 2010, 09:39:48 PM
This team is still growing and WILL get better. Not to worry. they are playing pretty well on the road
Thank you, Baghdad Bob!
Quote from: murobrob on December 29, 2010, 09:37:37 PM
How much is coaching and how much is execution and the players? Considering Butler has deferred and is not stepping up as the senior stud leader we had hoped for and DJO is just not the DJO expected....MU is almost playing from behind on the opening tip.
Buck always stops with the coach. He's held accountable in the end.
Still hangin around!
do any of you mopers realize that basketball is a game of runs? Quit bitching and moaning after every bad play...there will be good plays afterwards.
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 29, 2010, 09:41:37 PM
Buck always stops with the coach. He's held accountable in the end.
I know...and I agree. I think Buzz coaches defense...seems like it anyway...so, what is the breakdown?
Quote from: murobrob on December 29, 2010, 09:37:37 PM
How much is coaching and how much is execution and the players? Considering Butler has deferred and is not stepping up as the senior stud leader we had hoped for and DJO is just not the DJO expected....MU is almost playing from behind on the opening tip.
Agreed but when you have a Buycks acting like he is auditioning for an AND1 team, there is no boxing out, and guys playing defense with their hands and not their feet... that's on the coach. DJO starting VERY cold is not on Buzz and guys missing FTs and jumpers is not on Buzz. But coaches have to teach players how to run an offense and find the open guy. I don't see open jumpers.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 29, 2010, 09:43:08 PM
do any of you mopers realize that basketball is a game of runs? Quit bitching and moaning after every bad play...there will be good plays afterwards.
Hey.....I am enjoying the game thoroughly! The moping is just Crown Royal coming out in words.
Quote from: murobrob on December 29, 2010, 09:43:23 PM
I know...and I agree. I think Buzz coaches defense...seems like it anyway...so, what is the breakdown?
Anybody can try and teach anything. Some are more effective than others at getting their point/fundamentals to hold.
Buzz does teach giving up the uncontested layup really well.
How many times are we going to let someone drive the lane uncontested. Stop the ball guys
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 29, 2010, 09:43:08 PM
do any of you mopers realize that basketball is a game of runs? Quit bitching and moaning after every bad play...there will be good plays afterwards.
How many dunks does Vandy had and how many dunks does MU have?
How many second chance points does Vandy have and how many second chance points does MU have?
Its not all about runs. One team looks sloppy and one team doesn't. One team is forcing the other team to make great shots and one team is creating easy shots. Regardless of the outcome, we look like crap.
Noted Vander and Buzz swapping opinions as they went to the break.
Quote from: nomorebuycks on December 29, 2010, 09:47:03 PM
Buzz does teach giving up the uncontested layup really well.
I hate myself for this but I agree with this. Players have 5 fouls. They should be used strategically throughout the game, not held on to like they are precious gems.
JFB picked up is 1st, yes that's FIRST, foul a few minutes ago...this is after giving up about 3-4 dunks to Taylor. PUT HIM ON HIS ASS! Use the flipping fouls!
Me Like
ugh....Crowder 3
We've had chances....
Lets have our 8% 3-point shooter jack up a three only down by 1 with 2 mins left, great thinking
I think every team attacks the basketball well on fast breaks
Crowder won't get MU anywhere. He's strictly a complimentary player.
C'mon MU....down 3 with the ball and more than a minute to go....let's get over that hump and get a great road win!
Quote from: nomorebuycks on December 29, 2010, 09:57:22 PM
Crowder won't get MU anywhere. He's strictly a complimentary player.
Allow me to compliment his ft shooting.
F the dry board... JB needs to hit a clutch shot.
Please please please get a good shot off coming out of a timeout.
good pass from DJO and great clutch shot from Buycks.
I WOULD RATHER BE LUCKY THAN GOOD TODAY... PLEASE MESS UP VANDY!
Wow...unlike the last few NCAA tournaments...we at least have some seconds left on the clock. C'mon MU make me spill my drink!
bad rotation again
Crowder's left his man wide open
JB....how about a repeat from last year....last second game winner
What a shock!!!
Just awful in every regard. no coach is worse drawing up a final play
Looked like a trip....didn't it?????????
Thanks for the great game guys. You played your hearts out.
I will continually boo Jim Burr every time I see him for the rest of my life. What a f'ing jag.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 29, 2010, 10:09:25 PM
Thanks for the great game guys. You played your hearts out.
and lost. all they ever do in close games
Very fitting way to loose.
Why the f*&% does this happen ALL THE DAMN TIME! I really don't think there is another team in the country with more last second loses in the last three years than MU. I would actually put money on that.
First the intentional no call and that. What is burr looking at?
Quote from: nomorebuycks on December 29, 2010, 10:08:04 PM
Just awful in every regard. no coach is worse drawing up a final play
Drew up a play with his quickest, most athletic player going to the basket. It's not Buzz's fault DJO got tripped.
The Curse of Jim Burr continues
how is that not a foul when DJO trips over a Vandy player?
Not even a frickin' shot. Heartbreak city, again. DJO was tripped and no call.
Great game...great effort by MU.
We have to get one of these some day.
MU brought it tonight and that bodes well to be competitive in conference.
Proud of their effort in a tough loss....hopefully one day I can say proud of their effort in a tough win.
We have the worst luck in getting off shots at teh end of the game!
Jim Burr Blows!
NMB....get a life
Quote from: MU B2002 on December 29, 2010, 10:10:14 PM
First the intentional no call and that. What is burr looking at?
Don't forget the non-intentional foul call when DJO would have had a breakaway to take the lead.
Burr is the worst ref in America. Horrible intentional foul call (should have been a normal foul). Then no intentional on grabbing DJO when he would have had a solo dunk. Then DJO gets tripped and the dipwad just stands there. God please make him retire.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 29, 2010, 10:09:25 PM
Thanks for the great game guys. You played your hearts out.
You do realize that some day they will have to win a game and not take solace in the fact that they played hard right?
Quote from: karavotsos on December 29, 2010, 10:09:48 PM
I will continually boo Jim Burr every time I see him for the rest of my life. What a f'ing jag.
THIS
Did we lose very game Burr worked last year?
No way that was a foul. He was out of control
Quote from: bossmustang on December 29, 2010, 10:09:10 PM
Looked like a trip....didn't it?????????
Slow mo'ed it..paused it...and it was a trip...MU got hose bagged down the stretch..didn't call a clear path/intnetional foul when DJO got steal at half court coming the other way..for a sure dunk..yet Crowder got called for an intentional foul 94 feet from Vandy's basket for doing a do-si-do move with their big?
On Crowder's late 3..Otule grabbed rebound..but apparently they ruled the rebound went behind/off the top of the backboard?? VAndy ball?
Quote from: MU B2002 on December 29, 2010, 10:10:14 PM
First the intentional no call and that. What is burr looking at?
Agreed...the non-intentional call was atrocious....isn't that why that foul call was created? DJO heading for a clear breakaway basket and he was fouled intentionally to prevent it. Sad.
encouraging play by buycks and otule today. good team effort overall.
Quote from: Ners on December 29, 2010, 10:12:47 PM
Slow mo'ed it..paused it...and it was a trip...MU got hose bagged down the stretch..didn't call a clear path/intnetional foul when DJO got steal at half court coming the other way..for a sure dunk..yet Crowder got called for an intentional foul 94 feet from Vandy's basket for doing a do-si-do move with their big?
On Crowder's late 3..Otule grabbed rebound..but apparently they ruled the rebound went behind/off the top of the backboard?? VAndy ball?
Yeah there were some missed calls, but the refs didn't go about 50% from the line.
Only the rape and murder of Jim burrs family friends and pets will make me feel better about this loss...
Crowder did do well on the boards tonight.
Fucking buycks turnovers hurt
Good effort against a good team on their court. Reason for a little optimism.
Quote from: National Champs on December 29, 2010, 10:12:11 PM
You do realize that some day they will have to win a game and not take solace in the fact that they played hard right?
Yes. And you realize that you're acting like a total douchebag, right?
Jim Burr aside, MU had plenty of chances in this game. Too many empty possessions, too many missed FTs, too many easy buckets allowed and too many defensive breakdowns, including on the game-winner.
Quote from: Norm on December 29, 2010, 10:12:26 PM
Did we lose very game Burr worked last year?
I know he did the ND game last year. Was out of position that cost at a key point in that game IIRC.
Quote from: Ners on December 29, 2010, 10:12:47 PM
Slow mo'ed it..paused it...and it was a trip...
Would love a screen shot.
I originally thought djo was tripped but in slow mo maybe not. Was really hard to tell with crappy angle. Atleast big hair didn't block the court like in first half.
The intentional foul on Crowder was bad. The non-intentional foul on DJO was fine given that the first one was just stupid.
But DJO was not fouled. He was out of control going 1 on 3.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 29, 2010, 10:17:27 PM
Yes. And you realize that you're acting like a total douchebag, right?
Why exactly??? Good teams win that game.
Quote from: chren21 on December 29, 2010, 10:19:45 PM
Why exactly??? Good teams win that game.
Give it a break we play a ranked team on their home court with a chance to win it with four seconds.
Quote from: Norm on December 29, 2010, 10:12:26 PM
Did we lose very game Burr worked last year?
Last year - every game he reffed, MU lost............looked it up....
Better, still not good enough. Which is what NIT teams say for most of the year. I wish we'd look to kick out and shoot the three before desperation time; had to be three or four turnovers from trying to force things inside when there wasn't anything there. Sure we're not a good shooting team, but there aren't too many sets calling Buycks or DJO to put it up so most of their shots seem out of rhythm. Transition defense was abysmal, rebounding improved. Good game for Otule, unfortunate that the quick third foul threw him off...was still putting it in but Vandy was going at him every time down. Have to hope Fulce gets healthier and Gardner learns to rebound, then I'd feel very good about the half court D.
Plus if we ever do get good enough to win you can guarantee the pretty boy Jim Burr will make certain we lose. I'd be a lousy coach, cause I'd probably take a 5 game suspension just to piss on him in the post game presser.
Quote from: Ners on December 29, 2010, 10:12:47 PM
Slow mo'ed it..paused it...and it was a trip...
Did the same thing, no trip....hip maybe, but not a trip from what I could see.
The non-intentional call was BS.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 29, 2010, 10:23:47 PM
Give it a break we play a ranked team on their home court with a chance to win it with four seconds.
Sorry no break for giving up a layup with 5 seconds left and then not getting a shot off. Have fun giving out your breaks.
Birds of a feather....
Quote from: chren21 on December 29, 2010, 10:31:05 PM
Sorry no break for giving up a layup with 5 seconds left and then not getting a shot off. Have fun giving out your breaks.
And have fun living in your misery. Great game GUYS!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 29, 2010, 10:17:27 PM
Yes. And you realize that you're acting like a total douchebag, right?
I don't intend to be a douche, but this is division one basketball. Wins define a team not valiant losses. There are no certificates of participation awarded to teams that play hard and don't win.
16-5 for Vandy to start the game and a 12-0 run by Vandy after MU lead 47-40. You can't let that happen if you want to win on the road.
Plenty Marquette did that prevented us from getting the win. Poor FT shooting, some matador defense, and one too many runs from Vandy. But they did more to win this game than they did to lose it. They rebounded much better than we've seen. They hit big shots when they needed to (Buycks, DJO, even Blue). They mostly took John Jenkins out of the game with solid defense. This was without a doubt the most complete effort this team has put out there to date, and quite simply, we were robbed of a win.
When there's contact that sends a guy sprawling, whether it's a trip or an incidental hip check, the foul has to be called. You can't let a team lose when a guy goes to the floor like that. When you have a 2-on-0 break and the guy is fouled, you can't let them simply take it out of bounds. It's intentional and deserves to be treated as such. You can't let a guy go over the back, then call the guy who was initially fouled for an intentional when he turns around like they did with Crowder. Yes, there are things Marquette could have done to win, but on the road, in this atmosphere, the way we played we should have won by 8-10 points. If you factor in harsh reffing, maybe we win by 4. But to lose this game, the only way I see it happening is getting absolutely, completely screwed over by the refs. We could have done things to win, but it was the refs that did things to hand the game to Vandy on a platter. The refs kept them in it (and ahead) with calls at only one end. Anyone who really thinks that the foul differential being that close is blind. If we had went 7/25 from the line, then maybe it would have been just us losing. But 13 free throw attempts for this team, with their aggression, and with guys going down during drives like they did? Please.
Sadly, this game may very well cost us a place in the tourney in March. I really think anything less than 12 Big East wins isn't a lock, unless included in the 11 wins are at least 3 top-ten teams. I don't foresee almost any circumstance where 10 wins gets it done, unless we make the Big East tourney semis.
I'm still really effing pissed about this one.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 29, 2010, 10:30:58 PM
Did the same thing, no trip....hip maybe, but not a trip from what I could see.
The non-intentional call was BS.
For what it's worth, the play by play guy and the former coach of Alabama slo-moed it and said it was a trip. Doesn't matter whether he was tripped or hip checked. Burr swallowed his whistle, we lose.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 29, 2010, 11:11:42 PM
For what it's worth, the play by play guy and the former coach of Alabama slo-moed it and said it was a trip. Doesn't matter whether he was tripped or hip checked. Burr swallowed his whistle, we lose.
He also said Otule was born with one eye and Crowder was a 50% free throw shooter....I wouldn't hang my hat on what Gottfried said.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 29, 2010, 11:22:16 PM
He also said Otule was born with one eye and Crowder was a 50% free throw shooter....I wouldn't hang my hat on what Gottfried said.
I'm still going to go out on a limb and guess he's even better than the magnificent Chicos when it comes to breaking down what happened based on filmed replay.