I said they were horrible two weeks ago, I'm sticking to it. UW-m is terrible.
Uh oh..this must mean DePaul will beat us by 11 points..since we only beat UWM by 3 points. We are screwed.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 14, 2010, 10:57:03 PM
I said they were horrible two weeks ago, I'm sticking to it. UW-m is terrible.
Perhaps we should have defeated UWM by a greater margin? Certainly not the shameful performance of that night. Prithy, The Bronzed Beast of Bloomington would not have had such a miserable excuse of a win!
Nope, but I think we can stop the ridiculous claims of how good UW-m was to try and cover for our performance. They are dreadful...as was much of our performance that night.
I really wonder if Jeter will survive this year.
The Jete is a good man. I hope he dodges the SAM but I fear he will crash and burn.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 14, 2010, 11:01:52 PM
I really wonder if Jeter will survive this year.
Especially with a new AD likely on board. He's been nothing but mediocre after his first year.
Who is the new AD?
Quote from: JMcSteal on December 15, 2010, 01:38:15 AM
Who is the new AD?
UWM hasn't announced one yet. However, they announced three finalists in the job search on Monday. The top three are Paul Plinske, the UW-Whitewater AD, Rick Costello, deputy AD for Rutgers and Grace Calhoun the associate AD from Indiana. Whoever they pick looks to have a pretty tough job with all of the budget cuts that are expected to be made inside the athletic department.
and Drexel beat Looeyville and Oakland beat Tenn. Gotta love college hoops.
I'm glad depaul is less terrible than uwm in rosemont. Big east doesn't need any crappy losses.
Our game vs. DePaul should be a dogfight.
Glad we have Chicos to immediate to point out when MU is crappy at the first possible moment every chance he gets...
MU was up 18 at UW-M and then played crappy, UW-M also was playing at home in their marquee game they have been waiting for for years (I tried hard not to say Superbowl).
At the same time, it is early in the season with a young team with a third year head coach.
Christ, the tan one nearly pissed away a game to a cupcake or average at best team AT HOME on an annual basis and sometimes did (Canisuis 68 - 65 in 2004, Delaware St 66 - 60 in 2005,Winthrop Loss in 2006, N Dakota St loss in 2007)
I assume you were here calling out how bad the tanned ones teams were then when they played bad ealry in the season....
Glad we have you MU Superfan (that should be in teal)
Quote from: madtownwarrior on December 15, 2010, 07:21:36 AM
Glad we have Chicos to immediate to point out when MU is crappy at the first possible moment every chance he gets...
MU was up 18 at UW-M and then played crappy, UW-M also was playing at home in their marquee game they have been waiting for for years (I tried hard not to say Superbowl).
At the same time, it is early in the season with a young team with a third year head coach.
Christ, the tan one nearly pissed away a game to a cupcake or average at best team AT HOME on an annual basis and sometimes did (Canisuis 68 - 65 in 2004, Delaware St 66 - 60 in 2005,Winthrop Loss in 2006, N Dakota St loss in 2007)
I assume you were here calling out how bad the tanned ones teams were then when they played bad ealry in the season....
Glad we have you MU Superfan (that should be in teal)
UWM is terrible. What is your summary of their team? I think we should have beaten them by 20. To call that a UWM home game is a joke.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 14, 2010, 11:01:52 PM
Nope, but I think we can stop the ridiculous claims of how good UW-m was to try and cover for our performance. They are dreadful...as was much of our performance that night.
I really wonder if Jeter will survive this year.
If they have financial issues, I think it will be very difficult for the new AD to come in an eat Jeter's contract in year one.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 14, 2010, 10:57:03 PM
I said they were horrible two weeks ago, I'm sticking to it. UW-m is terrible.
I correctly predicted that MU would have 10 TOs against Wisconsin. Everyone shower me with praise!
Wait, should I have started a new thread for this post? I'd hate to steal Chicos' thunder of making a thread all about himself.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 15, 2010, 08:34:33 AM
I correctly predicted that MU would have 10 TOs against Wisconsin. Everyone shower me with praise!
Wait, should I have started a new thread for this post? I'd hate to steal Chicos' thunder of making a thread all about himself.
So there shouldn't be threads started up about news throughout the Big East?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 14, 2010, 11:01:52 PM
Nope, but I think we can stop the ridiculous claims of how good UW-m was to try and cover for our performance. They are dreadful...as was much of our performance that night.
I really wonder if Jeter will survive this year.
My sources inside the program tell me that as long as Jeter continues to do it the right way and cleans up the stench left by Pearl he's safe. No, wait, it's Indiana that doesn't care about winning, not UWM. You're right. A proud, tradition rich program like the UWM Panthers would never tolerate this kind of failure. Never mind.
Our RPI dropped 49 spots the last 2 days, this UWM result was not a help
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 15, 2010, 09:41:21 AM
Our RPI dropped 49 spots the last 2 days, this UWM result was not a help
Not sure where you're looking, but statsheet shows us going from 133 on Sunday/Monday to 129 today. Even at this ridiculously early point in the season to care about RPI, moving 49 spots without playing a game would be rather shocking.
edit: I do see us down in the 170-180 range on other sites. Not sure what's causing that difference since statsheet should be up-to-date as of last night's games. Still, that large of a drop should not be caused by a single opponent's game.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 15, 2010, 08:34:33 AM
I correctly predicted that MU would have 10 TOs against Wisconsin. Everyone shower me with praise!
Wait, should I have started a new thread for this post? I'd hate to steal Chicos' thunder of making a thread all about himself.
Assuming for the sake of argument that Chicos is the attention whore that you seem to think he is, what is accomplished by calling him out so frequently. If this thread wasn't "all about" Chicos before your post, you certainly helped move it in that direction.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 15, 2010, 06:37:44 AM
Our game vs. DePaul should be a dogfight.
Was this supposed to be in teal?
Quote from: downtown85 on December 15, 2010, 03:50:32 AM
and Drexel beat Looeyville and Oakland beat Tenn. Gotta love college hoops.
It's almost as if on a game-by-game basis, if you don't play well, you could be beaten!
I'm not disagreeing w/Chicos that UWM is not a good basketball team, but we were up on them by 20+ and ~18, and 15 at a few points, we didn't play well for most of the second half--it's not a good win, but it's a win. However, there is no way you can convince me that UWM wasn't way more motivated to beat us on their court versus at Rosemont against DePaul.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 15, 2010, 06:37:44 AM
Our game vs. DePaul should be a dogfight.
I hope not. Dog fighting is illegal. Have we learned nothing from
Ron Mexico sorry, Michael Vick.
Love the rpiforecast.com website.
Our Current RPI has steadily dropped since December started .. from the 100s to 170s.
Our expected RPI is semi-steady in the high 60s. Which is about right, and a very big challenge to make the NCAAs if that expected RPI is right.
(http://www.rpiforecast.com/graphs/Marquette.png)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 15, 2010, 09:41:21 AM
Our RPI dropped 49 spots the last 2 days, this UWM result was not a help
1. If our RPI really dropped 49 spots because DePaul beat UWM it only shows that RPI rankings at this point in the year are TOTALLY MEANINGLESS, in which case why bother.
2. 180 translates into 3 or 4 wins in conference (max). If we're that bad, it's officially "wait until next year" time.
Interesting chart.
The Vandy game is massive. A win there and that projected RPI likely shoots up near the 30s.
Once again I repeat, no big east or big 10 team has won by more than 4 points in a horizon gym in 4 years. Wisconsin didn't quit when they LOST at uw-green bay last year, nor did wvu when they survived at csu last year. Green bay and uwm were ranked virtually even last I checked, and we destroyed the team we got at home and survived on the road.
Quote from: marquette99 on December 15, 2010, 03:51:22 PM
Once again I repeat, no big east or big 10 team has won by more than 4 points in a horizon gym in 4 years. Wisconsin didn't quit when they LOST at uw-green bay last year, nor did wvu when they survived at csu last year. Green bay and uwm were ranked virtually even last I checked, and we destroyed the team we got at home and survived on the road.
You can repeat it as often as you like, but it doesn't make you right. ;) Now maybe some of the games below weren't in "their" gym, but in each case they were the Horizon League team was the home team
2007-08, UW-Madison beat UW-milwaukee 61-39 at UW-milwaukee
2007-08, Ohio State beat Cleveland State 80-63 at Cleveland State
2007-08, DePaul beat Detroit 70-64 at Detroit
2007-08, Ohio State beat Butler 65-46 at Butler
2009-10, Ohio State beat Butler 74-66 at Butler
2010-11, Purdue beat Valparaiso 76-58 at Valpo
I get that these Horizon teams will make it their Super Bowl, we all get it. That being said, the power teams have to understand that and play with the maturity and killer instinct that is needed.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 15, 2010, 01:54:18 PM
1. If our RPI really dropped 49 spots because DePaul beat UWM it only shows that RPI rankings at this point in the year are TOTALLY MEANINGLESS, in which case why bother.
2. 180 translates into 3 or 4 wins in conference (max). If we're that bad, it's officially "wait until next year" time.
Our RPI dropped for a number of reasons, the UWM result was just one of them.
The day-by-day numbers at http://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/rpi/ suggest that the drop had everything to do with our home loss to UW and UWM's loss had very little effect.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 15, 2010, 01:47:53 PM
Love the rpiforecast.com website.
Our Current RPI has steadily dropped since December started .. from the 100s to 170s.
Our expected RPI is semi-steady in the high 60s. Which is about right, and a very big challenge to make the NCAAs if that expected RPI is right.
(http://www.rpiforecast.com/graphs/Marquette.png)
Interestingly enough, our RPI dropped after playing Duke, Gonzaga and did not jump again until after we played UWM.
11/22 Duke
11/23 Gonzaga
11/27 MU hits low RPI of the year
11/27 UWM
11/28 MU jumps 50 points
Quote from: MU B2002 on December 15, 2010, 12:12:56 PM
I hope not. Dog fighting is illegal. Have we learned nothing from Ron Mexico sorry, Michael Vick.
OK, then it'll be a bitchfest.
Quote from: BallBoy on December 15, 2010, 08:24:15 PM
Interestingly enough, our RPI dropped after playing Duke, Gonzaga and did not jump again until after we played UWM.
11/22 Duke
11/23 Gonzaga
11/27 MU hits low RPI of the year
11/27 UWM
11/28 MU jumps 50 points
Our RPI spiked 50 spots higher because of the UWM game? Can we all finally agree that it's TOTALLY worthless at this point of the year and not talk about it until February?
Quote from: dsfire on December 15, 2010, 08:12:28 PM
The day-by-day numbers at http://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/rpi/ suggest that the drop had everything to do with our home loss to UW and UWM's loss had very little effect.
Correct...dropped 19 spots after the UW-madison loss. Dropped another 7 spots after UW-milwaukee lost.
To say it had "very little" I guess depends on your definition of very little. We dropped 26 spots in 4 days. It's impossible to isolate just those two games (UW-m vs DePaul and MU vs UW-madison) because the RPI factors in opponents opponents, etc. This is why I said it's one of "many reasons" we dropped. If one were to focus just on those two games, as you have with your claim that "the drop had everything to do with our home loss to UW" then the drop in 26 spots was 73% related to the UW-madison loss and 27% related to the UW-m loss to DePaul. Is 27% "very little"?
Numbers are from beginning of day:
Saturday: Rank #148, raw RPI 0.515
Sunday: #169, 0.498
Tuesday: #171, 0.496
Wednesday: #176, 0.493
We dropped nearly the same amount of raw points from Sunday and Monday's games as we did from Tuesday's. See whatever you'd like, but UWM losing at DePaul means very little to us now or at the end of the season.
Quote from: dsfire on December 16, 2010, 12:56:31 PM
Numbers are from beginning of day:
Saturday: Rank #148, raw RPI 0.515
Sunday: #169, 0.498
Tuesday: #171, 0.496
Wednesday: #176, 0.493
We dropped nearly the same amount of raw points from Sunday and Monday's games as we did from Tuesday's. See whatever you'd like, but UWM losing at DePaul means very little to us now or at the end of the season.
You should calculate numbers based on spots, not on actual RPI figures. For example, if MU went from #2 to #1, it would mean that they're twice as good.
If only there was a way to determine which team was better in some sort of head to head competition.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 16, 2010, 12:11:03 PM
Correct...dropped 19 spots after the UW-madison loss. Dropped another 7 spots after UW-milwaukee lost.
To say it had "very little" I guess depends on your definition of very little. We dropped 26 spots in 4 days. It's impossible to isolate just those two games (UW-m vs DePaul and MU vs UW-madison) because the RPI factors in opponents opponents, etc. This is why I said it's one of "many reasons" we dropped. If one were to focus just on those two games, as you have with your claim that "the drop had everything to do with our home loss to UW" then the drop in 26 spots was 73% related to the UW-madison loss and 27% related to the UW-m loss to DePaul. Is 27% "very little"?
Chicos,
What you failed to realize that the RPI is not just based solely on what MU does or what MU's opponents do. It is fluid based on how everyone else does and how their opponents do. MU didn't drop solely because UWM lost to Depaul. They dropped because they haven't played in a week while teams that are right around them have. MU might have move .001 of a percent in either direction but the biggest jump always comes after the team plays someone. This is especially true early. The UWM lost to Depaul will be meaningless at the end of the season.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 15, 2010, 01:47:53 PM
(http://www.rpiforecast.com/graphs/Marquette.png)
Really don't understand how this chart provides any insight into anything. This is the kind of crap that caused the financial crisis.
Also, I believe another poster has already requested to see our projected RPI for Feb. 24, 2015, and I second that request.
Quote from: karavotsos on December 16, 2010, 09:57:05 PM
Really don't understand how this chart provides any insight into anything. This is the kind of crap that caused the financial crisis.
Also, I believe another poster has already requested to see our projected RPI for Feb. 24, 2015, and I second that request.
It is what it is, and I'm pretty sure everyone knows that. It's a snapshot of very noisy data, based on 10 games of play, predicting out 20 games into the future.
Each new game is a new data point, improving the forecast. By the 30th game, it will be extremely accurate. But there's a (declining) semblance of accuracy at 25, 20, 15, and yes, even 10 games.
While I don't think we are the 140th best team in the country, it would not surprise me in the least if we ended up around 60, as this chart predicts.
Quote from: BallBoy on December 16, 2010, 07:03:59 PM
Chicos,
What you failed to realize that the RPI is not just based solely on what MU does or what MU's opponents do. It is fluid based on how everyone else does and how their opponents do. MU didn't drop solely because UWM lost to Depaul. They dropped because they haven't played in a week while teams that are right around them have. MU might have move .001 of a percent in either direction but the biggest jump always comes after the team plays someone. This is especially true early. The UWM lost to Depaul will be meaningless at the end of the season.
Actually I didn't fail to realize it and even pointed it out. I said clearly that the RPI factors in opponents records and the records of their opponents. I also said there were MANY reasons for the drop, UWM losing to DePaul was just ONE of many. At the end of the year, it will not be "meaningless", that would mean that it had 0 impact, which is not correct. Every game played of one of our opponents has an impact on our RPI, so it is inaccurate to say it will be meaningless.
I would point you here to what I actually said.... http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=22935.msg252637#msg252637
Looking at the RPI on a daily or weekly basis at this point (and for the past several weeks) in the season is nearly worthless. I would have to imagine that if someone was continuing to highlight our updated RPI, they must feel it is valuable and worthwhile information and I would invite them to explain to me (and to Jerry Palm - PS, still waiting for his number) where the value is.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/9907871 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/9907871)
"you can't really take November or December RPI numbers seriously." - Jerry Palm
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 20, 2010, 06:31:36 AM
Looking at the RPI on a daily or weekly basis at this point (and for the past several weeks) in the season is nearly worthless. I would have to imagine that if someone was continuing to highlight our updated RPI, they must feel it is valuable and worthwhile information and I would invite them to explain to me (and to Jerry Palm - PS, still waiting for his number) where the value is.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/9907871 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/9907871)
"you can't really take November or December RPI numbers seriously." - Jerry Palm
Why is this so hard to understand? It's meaningful now because it affects our future RPI... That simple.
Do you just ignore it till a certain date and then all of a sudden it is meaningful? What exactly is that date that the light goes on and the sea parts? Selecation sunday?
RPI stops dropping once we beat winning teams...sounds simple enough to me. UWM's our best win to date?
If we were in the A10 or Conference USA, this would be much more important. In a small conference, your chances for the resume wins are in early season tournaments and road trips, so if you come out with close losses to Gonzaga, Duke and Wisconsin, you are almost out of chances to get the resume wins you need to make the tourney.
Fact is in the BCS conferences, you have lots of chances for signature wins in conference, and the committee wants to see how you are playing down the stretch much more than how you did in November (witness Gtown a couple of years ago with all those early season wins).
So it's not irrelevant, but it's just not much of factor. While UWM is our best win so far, MU has played well enough to indicate we should beat some highly ranked Big East teams over the course of the season, and if we do we will be fine.
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on December 20, 2010, 07:02:52 AM
RPI stops dropping once we beat winning teams...sounds simple enough to me. UWM's our best win to date?
This is a common misconception.
The RPI doesn't measure
who we beat. Only whether we beat them (and where the game is played) and what their (and their opponents') w/l record is.
1. Our W/L record (home wins count .6, road wins count 1.4 and vice versa)
2. Our Opponents average W/L record
3. Our Opponents' opponents average W/L record.
Nowhere does the rpi give you more "credit" for beating a good team.
At the start of conference play, our RPI will rise because the average w/l record of our opponents will probably improve--not because of the quality of our wins.
Quote from: Marquette84 on December 20, 2010, 08:09:53 AM
The RPI doesn't measure who we beat. Only whether we beat them (and where the game is played) and what their (and their opponents') w/l record is.
1. Our W/L record (home wins count .6, road wins count 1.4 and vice versa)
2. Our Opponents average W/L record
3. Our Opponents' opponents average W/L record.
You just contradicted yourself. So a win over 0-10 Centennary (where their win-loss record is clearly .000) won't get us any better of an RPI boost than against Vandy on the road? If better teams are beaten, RPI numbers are higher. Cincinnati's RPI is 89th in the nation and they are 10-0-they've also played scrubs at home. I am quite aware of how RPI works.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on December 20, 2010, 08:05:13 AM
If we were in the A10 or Conference USA, this would be much more important. In a small conference, your chances for the resume wins are in early season tournaments and road trips, so if you come out with close losses to Gonzaga, Duke and Wisconsin, you are almost out of chances to get the resume wins you need to make the tourney.
Fact is in the BCS conferences, you have lots of chances for signature wins in conference, and the committee wants to see how you are playing down the stretch much more than how you did in November (witness Gtown a couple of years ago with all those early season wins).
So it's not irrelevant, but it's just not much of factor. While UWM is our best win so far, MU has played well enough to indicate we should beat some highly ranked Big East teams over the course of the season, and if we do we will be fine.
The committee still looks at OOC wins for BCS schools so that these schools don't rely solely on their conference schedule to take them to the tournament. I hate to beat a dead horse, but I'm using Cincy as an example again. Schools are rewarded for playing (and beating opponents in) aggressive OOC schedules. We've played some great opponents and hopefully can steal a win in Vandy. Otherwise we're left needing at least 11 wins in the Big East imo...
Quote from: chren21 on December 20, 2010, 06:57:28 AM
Why is this so hard to understand? It's meaningful now because it affects our future RPI... That simple.
Do you just ignore it till a certain date and then all of a sudden it is meaningful? What exactly is that date that the light goes on and the sea parts? Selecation sunday?
It's not very meaningful now - it's nearly worthless - if you want to say, 'hey we won a game, that should help our RPI' that is fine. What I said is, "Looking at the RPI on a daily or weekly basis at this point (and for the past several weeks) in the season is nearly worthless"... that simple. The fact our RPI is x today is not very meaningful.
I'm not sure what 'Selecation sunday' is, but if you mean 'starting around early February' then yes, then it becomes more appropriate.. and continues to become more relevant. At this point in the year, a team can move 20 points in one day - a day they don't even play.
Should RPI #12 Old Dominion (8-2) fans start booking their Sweet Sixteen hotels? #17 Cleveland St. (10-1) appears to be a lock, don't you think?
If you really believe that the looking at the RPI on a daily basis currently is valuable, then I would ask you to prove it. I have one source that says Marquette is currently at 183. Since this is meaningful to you, I will offer you this: 5-1 odds, just 10 'bucks'... if Marquette's RPI is cut in half, I win, if not, you win with 5-1 odds.
So, if Marquette's year end RPI is 91 or lower, I get 10 bucks. If it's 92 or higher, you win 50. If 183 is truly a meaningful number, this looks like quite a deal for you. If you don't like this bet, then can you explain what the meaning of 183 is to you?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/alexander_wolff/03/22/upsets/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/alexander_wolff/03/22/upsets/index.html)
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on December 20, 2010, 08:26:36 AM
You just contradicted yourself. So a win over 0-10 Centennary (where their win-loss record is clearly .000) won't get us any better of an RPI boost than against Vandy on the road? If better teams are beaten, RPI numbers are higher. Cincinnati's RPI is 89th in the nation and they are 10-0-they've also played scrubs at home. I am quite aware of how RPI works.
In your scenario, the only difference is that the Centannary win counts as 0.6 because it was at home, and a Vanderbilt win would count as 1.4 because it is on the road--it has nothing to do with the relative strenghts of the two teams.
If the situation was reversed (say played Vandy at home, Centenary on the road), we would get 0.6 win for beating Vandy at home and 1.4 wins for beating Centenary on the road--even though Vandy is a better team.
Finally, the opponents SOS is factored in exactly the same, regardless of whether we win or lose. We get more benefit for PLAYING Vandy than for Centennary. But to the RPI a win is a win--the only thing that matters is whether it is at home or on the road.
I dont bet. It's exactly what I said. It's meaningful now because it affects what our RPI will be later when you deem it to finally be meaningful. If you want to ignore it until a later date then fine. That doesnt change the fact that what is happening right now with our games and our opponents games is meaningful right now and in the future.
Quote from: chren21 on December 20, 2010, 08:59:26 AM
I dont bet. It's exactly what I said. It's meaningful now because it affects what our RPI will be later when you deem it to finally be meaningful. If you want to ignore it until a later date then fine. That doesnt change the fact that what is happening right now with our games and our opponents games is meaningful right now and in the future.
What our RPI is today and how it changes on a daily basis in November and December gives you little to no indication of where we will wind up. I won't ignore it, but I certainly don't see any value in looking at it and posting about it every day or week.
Our games and our opponents games are important - I have no problem talking about what we did and what our opponents are doing - that makes plenty of sense. Trying to associate our the daily RPI number at this point in the year with those games is what becomes silly - it's not very meaningful. People who make money off the RPI will tell you the same thing.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 20, 2010, 09:08:41 AM
What our RPI is today and how it changes on a daily basis in November and December gives you little to no indication of where we will wind up. I won't ignore it, but I certainly don't see any value in looking at it and posting about it every day or week.
Our games and our opponents games are important - I have no problem talking about what we did and what our opponents are doing - that makes plenty of sense. Trying to associate our the daily RPI number at this point in the year with those games is what becomes silly - it's not very meaningful. People who make money off the RPI will tell you the same thing.
+1000. The only reason our RPI is being talked to death on this board is because its number, while totally meaningless at this point, is low enough to give the most negative in our fanbase a woody.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 20, 2010, 09:20:07 AM
+1000. The only reason our RPI is being talked to death on this board is because its number, while totally meaningless at this point, is low enough to give the most negative in our fanbase a woody.
Well I'm not sure if cause I think it matters at this point I am one of the negative guys, if so I really dont care. I just know that what happens / is happening now affects where we need to be at the end of the year to make the tourney. I think we will need to be around 55 or higher to make it this year.
Quote from: chren21 on December 20, 2010, 09:29:15 AM
Well I'm not sure if cause I think it matters at this point I am one of the negative guys, if so I really dont care. I just know that what happens / is happening now affects where we need to be at the end of the year to make the tourney. I think we will need to be around 55 or higher to make it this year.
Of course what happens now affects whether or not we make the tournament in March. And of course losing to Gonzaga on a neutral court and to Wisconsin at home hurts us. I just don't understand this daily obsession (not by you) over our RPI in December. If it was 15, do you really think we'd be getting updates every day?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 20, 2010, 10:26:14 AM
Of course what happens now affects whether or not we make the tournament in March. And of course losing to Gonzaga on a neutral court and to Wisconsin at home hurts us. I just don't understand this daily obsession (not by you) over our RPI in December. If it was 15, do you really think we'd be getting updates every day?
I'm not sure. I have only been really posting on here since the end of last season, took the off-season mostly off from here. I dont understand the in-fighting that goes on and who is who and all that. It seems a little silly but I really find it quite entertaining.
That said I guess I would look at it one of two ways. Why have it updated every day?
1. It is thought to be interesting and thought to provide a simple service to everyone who reads this board.
2. There is a resentment against MU that is either conscious or unconscious.
I think it is number one.
Look at that whole UW Milwaukee post. Many people have posted UW hyphen M ( including me) cause we read a previous post that noted the MECCA was advertizing it that way. Certain people seem to get blasted on here somewhat based on username. But again, I am not going into the archives to see if it is really deserved.
Quote from: chren21 on December 20, 2010, 10:41:56 AM
I'm not sure. I have only been really posting on here since the end of last season, took the off-season mostly off from here. I dont understand the in-fighting that goes on and who is who and all that. It seems a little silly but I really find it quite entertaining.
That said I guess I would look at it one of two ways. Why have it updated every day?
1. It is thought to be interesting and thought to provide a simple service to everyone who reads this board.
2. There is a resentment against MU that is either conscious or unconscious.
I think it is number one.
Look at that whole UW Milwaukee post. Many people have posted UW hyphen M ( including me) cause we read a previous post that noted the MECCA was advertizing it that way. Certain people seem to get blasted on here somewhat based on username. But again, I am not going into the archives to see if it is really deserved.
I agree that the UW-m isn't a big deal (though the lower case m was unnecessary). On the other stuff, stick around and it becomes clear, at least to most.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 20, 2010, 10:26:14 AM
Of course what happens now affects whether or not we make the tournament in March. And of course losing to Gonzaga on a neutral court and to Wisconsin at home hurts us. I just don't understand this daily obsession (not by you) over our RPI in December. If it was 15, do you really think we'd be getting updates every day?
Actually, yes. Go back in history of my posts and I reported good and bad RPI routinely. Sorry to see some of your posts deleted last night.
Quote from: Marquette84 on December 20, 2010, 08:09:53 AM
This is a common misconception.
The RPI doesn't measure who we beat. Only whether we beat them (and where the game is played) and what their (and their opponents') w/l record is.
1. Our W/L record (home wins count .6, road wins count 1.4 and vice versa)
2. Our Opponents average W/L record
3. Our Opponents' opponents average W/L record.
Nowhere does the rpi give you more "credit" for beating a good team.
At the start of conference play, our RPI will rise because the average w/l record of our opponents will probably improve--not because of the quality of our wins.
You're partially right...I was wrong somewhat...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratings_Percentage_Index
I've included a link to wikipedia's rpi entry.
I ran some numbers through games played on December 29th using kenpom's projections to see what values would be included in Marquette's overall RPI calculation:
Marquette beats Vandy- .728 points for the win would be averaged
Marquette loses to Vandy-.705 points for the loss " "
Assuming Marquette future losses to Vanderbilt:
Marquette win over Cent-.276 points would be averaged in
If Marquette lost to Cent-.250 points would be averaged in to Marquette's total schedule.
Just playing Vandy will increase Marquette's RPI, just playing Cent will lower it (where the games are played obviously give a modest bump)...regardless of results. So Marquette's RPI will shoot up during conference play, regardless of wins and losses. It's just what they do with those games is what the committee will be looking at.
I can include my calculations if you'd like.
If posters don't care about RPI until February, don't pay attention to RPI until February. If other posters want to break it down as every D1 game finishes, go for it. Personally, I'm not concerned with RPI this early in the season but I'm not going to get all worked up if someone else wants to discuss it in an open forum.
I'm starting to think that quite a few posters just want something to argue about.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 20, 2010, 12:32:39 PM
Sorry to see some of your posts deleted last night.
Me too. Congrats. Having them deleted (along with your Captain Queeg-like paranoic responses) got an awful lot of egg off your face. Here's some more congrats - I'm too tired to roll around in the s**t with you any more - don't like the way it makes me smell, quite frankly. Don't worry, you'll still have scores of reasonable people to insult. You can even feel free to continue to do it to me. Just don't address your posts to me and I'll reciprocate. It will make the board a better place to visit.
Quote from: dsfire on December 16, 2010, 12:56:31 PM
Numbers are from beginning of day:
Saturday: Rank #148, raw RPI 0.515
Sunday: #169, 0.498
Tuesday: #171, 0.496
Wednesday: #176, 0.493
We dropped nearly the same amount of raw points from Sunday and Monday's games as we did from Tuesday's. See whatever you'd like, but UWM losing at DePaul means very little to us now or at the end of the season.
The UW-m (hyphen) still has the 7th most influence on our RPI score. Back when this thread was started, they were 5th.
Team Conf Curr Wgt Fut Wgt Curr W/L Exp W/L Curr Help Exp Help
Marquette BE 27.01 26.00 62.96 56.36 7.00 3.31
Wisconsin B10 4.16 1.78 83.33 68.93 2.77 0.67
Vanderbilt SEC 3.72 1.64 81.82 78.13 2.37 0.92
West Virginia BE 3.72 2.17 72.73 66.47 1.69 0.71
Prairie View A&M SWAC 3.71 1.72 0.00 31.60 -3.71 -0.63
South Dakota GWC 3.71 1.67 40.00 64.26 -0.74 0.48
Wisconsin Green Bay Horz 3.71 1.70 38.46 40.37 -0.86 -0.33
Wisconsin Milwaukee Horz 3.71 1.72 50.00 41.97 0.00 -0.28
Bucknell Pat 3.57 1.64 57.14 66.53 0.51 0.54
Centenary Sum 3.57 1.61 0.00 2.54 -3.57 -1.53
Duke ACC 3.57 1.64 100.00 91.29 3.57 1.35
Gonzaga WCC 3.57 1.67 58.33 71.29 0.60 0.71
Longwood ind 3.57 1.70 23.08 28.68 -1.92 -0.72
Mississippi Valley St. SWAC 3.57 1.67 8.33 37.41 -2.98 -0.42
Texas A&M Corpus Chris Slnd 3.57 1.61 22.22 31.60 -1.98 -0.59
Wyoming MWC 0.43 0.11 41.67 30.03 -0.07 -0.05
IUPUI Sum 0.40 0.11 42.86 49.29 -0.06 -0.00
Cleveland St. Horz 0.40 0.16 92.86 83.26 0.34 0.11
Texas A&M B12 0.36 0.06 91.67 74.75 0.30 0.03
Michigan St. B10 0.33 0.19 66.67 57.64 0.11 0.03
Loyola Marymount WCC 0.32 0.12 41.67 44.27 -0.05 -0.01
Baylor B12 0.32 0.06 72.73 67.51 0.14 0.02
Memphis CUSA 0.32 0.11 83.33 66.10 0.21 0.04
Oklahoma St. B12 0.32 0.08 84.62 61.72 0.22 0.02
Western Illinois Sum 0.32 0.09 30.00 31.98 -0.13 -0.03
Nebraska B12 0.31 0.06 83.33 64.67 0.21 0.02
Kansas B12 0.31 0.06 100.00 90.27 0.31 0.05
Eastern Washington BSky 0.30 0.06 18.18 24.53 -0.19 -0.03
Louisiana Monroe SB 0.30 0.06 23.08 27.84 -0.16 -0.03
La Salle A10 0.30 0.11 46.15 47.10 -0.02 -0.01
Butler Horz 0.29 0.19 69.23 78.22 0.11 0.11
Kansas St. B12 0.29 0.05 76.92 64.66 0.15 0.02
Minnesota B10 0.29 0.05 78.57 59.81 0.16 0.01
Oakland Sum 0.29 0.08 50.00 63.08 0.00 0.02
SE Louisiana Slnd 0.29 0.08 37.50 40.34 -0.07 -0.02
Duquesne A10 0.28 0.08 50.00 67.12 0.00 0.03
Miami OH MAC 0.28 0.08 33.33 38.59 -0.09 -0.02
Virginia Military Inst BSth 0.28 0.06 44.44 53.08 -0.03 0.00
Northwestern St. Slnd 0.27 0.09 50.00 44.59 0.00 -0.01
Notre Dame BE 0.27 3.78 85.71 72.87 0.20 1.73
Presbyterian BSth 0.27 0.05 42.86 52.91 -0.04 0.00
Princeton Ivy 0.27 0.08 71.43 73.82 0.11 0.04
North Dakota GWC 0.26 0.15 20.00 36.19 -0.16 -0.04
San Diego St. MWC 0.26 0.05 100.00 86.29 0.26 0.04
Boston College ACC 0.26 0.11 78.57 68.08 0.15 0.04
Columbia Ivy 0.25 0.08 63.64 53.99 0.07 0.01
Detroit Horz 0.25 0.14 50.00 46.35 0.00 -0.01
James Madison CAA 0.25 0.08 76.92 66.69 0.13 0.03
Wright St. Horz 0.25 0.14 53.85 51.45 0.02 0.00
Youngstown St. Horz 0.25 0.11 41.67 30.38 -0.04 -0.04
Bethune Cookman MEAC 0.18 0.03 20.00 39.81 -0.11 -0.01
Georgia St. CAA 0.18 0.03 54.55 43.87 0.02 -0.00
Houston CUSA 0.18 0.03 54.55 37.64 0.02 -0.01
North Florida ASun 0.18 0.05 30.77 36.79 -0.07 -0.01
Ohio MAC 0.18 0.03 53.85 53.72 0.01 0.00
Providence BE 0.18 2.17 73.33 59.16 0.08 0.40
Texas Christian MWC 0.18 0.03 64.29 49.54 0.05 -0.00
Valparaiso Horz 0.18 0.14 61.54 61.59 0.04 0.03
Canisius MAAC 0.16 0.06 50.00 51.11 0.00 0.00
Illinois St. MVC 0.16 0.03 61.54 47.86 0.04 -0.00
Jacksonville St. OVC 0.16 0.03 7.69 17.85 -0.14 -0.02
American Pat 0.15 0.11 64.29 67.86 0.04 0.04
Appalachian St. SC 0.15 0.05 30.00 44.66 -0.06 -0.01
Belmont ASun 0.15 0.03 76.92 82.92 0.08 0.02
Bradley MVC 0.15 0.03 41.67 36.19 -0.02 -0.01
Colgate Pat 0.15 0.17 0.00 12.38 -0.15 -0.12
Davidson SC 0.15 0.08 54.55 66.67 0.01 0.03
Elon SC 0.15 0.03 22.22 36.26 -0.08 -0.01
Grambling SWAC 0.15 0.14 16.67 31.87 -0.10 -0.05
Miami FL ACC 0.15 0.11 78.57 62.80 0.09 0.03
Middle Tennessee SB 0.15 0.03 33.33 47.36 -0.05 -0.00
Missouri B12 0.15 0.05 92.86 73.13 0.13 0.02
NC Greensboro SC 0.15 0.03 0.00 16.90 -0.15 -0.02
North Carolina ACC 0.15 0.11 69.23 66.99 0.06 0.04
Oregon P10 0.15 0.03 46.15 33.87 -0.01 -0.01
Robert Morris NEC 0.15 0.05 33.33 59.36 -0.05 0.01
St. John's BE 0.15 2.20 75.00 61.87 0.07 0.52
St. Louis A10 0.15 0.03 33.33 41.70 -0.05 -0.00
Western Kentucky SB 0.15 0.05 38.46 54.66 -0.03 0.00
Arkansas SEC 0.14 0.11 83.33 66.52 0.09 0.04
Brigham Young MWC 0.14 0.05 92.86 86.81 0.12 0.04
Coppin St. MEAC 0.14 0.08 22.22 45.59 -0.08 -0.01
Georgia SEC 0.14 0.13 84.62 61.37 0.10 0.03
Georgia Southern SC 0.14 0.13 9.09 17.02 -0.11 -0.09
Illinois B10 0.14 0.08 78.57 66.24 0.08 0.03
Indiana B10 0.14 0.08 60.00 46.03 0.03 -0.01
IUPU Fort Wayne Sum 0.14 0.08 66.67 63.43 0.05 0.02
Kentucky SEC 0.14 0.21 84.62 84.54 0.10 0.15
Lafayette Pat 0.14 0.11 25.00 36.00 -0.07 -0.03
Liberty BSth 0.14 0.11 50.00 47.84 0.00 -0.00
Louisiana St. SEC 0.14 0.06 57.14 44.58 0.02 -0.01
Manhattan MAAC 0.14 0.03 16.67 20.71 -0.09 -0.02
Mississippi SEC 0.14 0.05 76.92 68.48 0.07 0.02
Nevada Las Vegas MWC 0.14 0.05 85.71 80.26 0.10 0.03
North Carolina St. ACC 0.14 0.13 69.23 52.37 0.05 0.01
Southern SWAC 0.14 0.14 0.00 20.92 -0.14 -0.08
Southern Mississippi CUSA 0.14 0.05 81.82 72.50 0.09 0.02
St. Mary's WCC 0.14 0.13 83.33 83.61 0.09 0.09
Tennessee Martin OVC 0.14 0.03 16.67 26.86 -0.09 -0.01
Tulane CUSA 0.14 0.06 66.67 55.93 0.05 0.01
Washington St. P10 0.14 0.03 71.43 70.47 0.06 0.01
Xavier A10 0.14 0.11 66.67 58.33 0.05 0.02
Buffalo MAC 0.13 0.03 60.00 67.19 0.03 0.01
Campbell ASun 0.13 0.06 60.00 58.37 0.03 0.01
Colorado B12 0.13 0.03 69.23 51.36 0.05 0.00
Fairleigh Dickinson NEC 0.13 0.11 30.00 35.71 -0.05 -0.03
New Mexico MWC 0.13 0.03 76.92 66.07 0.07 0.01
North Dakota St. Sum 0.13 0.09 45.45 55.19 -0.01 0.01
Seton Hall BE 0.13 3.73 50.00 43.31 0.00 -0.50
SIU Edwardsville ind 0.13 0.09 20.00 19.02 -0.08 -0.06
South Carolina St. MEAC 0.13 0.03 0.00 23.91 -0.13 -0.02
Stephen F. Austin Slnd 0.13 0.09 62.50 76.19 0.03 0.05
William & Mary CAA 0.13 0.06 27.27 24.30 -0.06 -0.03
Binghamton AE 0.12 0.03 25.00 24.46 -0.06 -0.01
Boston University AE 0.12 0.05 35.71 52.34 -0.03 0.00
Bowling Green MAC 0.12 0.03 30.77 30.75 -0.05 -0.01
Cornell Ivy 0.12 0.11 25.00 39.19 -0.06 -0.02
Dartmouth Ivy 0.12 0.05 33.33 30.52 -0.04 -0.02
DePaul BE 0.12 2.17 42.86 29.00 -0.02 -0.91
Florida Atlantic SB 0.12 0.08 53.85 61.30 0.01 0.02
Loyola MD MAAC 0.12 0.05 33.33 45.18 -0.04 -0.01
Niagara MAAC 0.12 0.03 21.43 22.01 -0.07 -0.02
Northern Iowa MVC 0.12 0.05 61.54 61.92 0.03 0.01
Portland WCC 0.12 0.08 80.00 71.98 0.07 0.04
South Dakota St. Sum 0.12 0.09 66.67 69.55 0.04 0.03
St. Francis PA NEC 0.12 0.05 16.67 24.00 -0.08 -0.03
UC Davis BW 0.12 0.03 33.33 41.28 -0.04 -0.00
Villanova BE 0.12 2.17 91.67 73.87 0.10 1.04
Wagner NEC 0.12 0.05 41.67 48.52 -0.02 -0.00
Western Michigan MAC 0.12 0.03 50.00 53.10 0.00 0.00
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 11:21:02 AM
The UW-m (hyphen) still has the 7th most influence on our RPI score. Back when this thread was started, they were 5th.
Team Conf Curr Wgt Fut Wgt Curr W/L Exp W/L Curr Help Exp Help
Marquette BE 27.01 26.00 62.96 56.36 7.00 3.31
Wisconsin B10 4.16 1.78 83.33 68.93 2.77 0.67
Vanderbilt SEC 3.72 1.64 81.82 78.13 2.37 0.92
West Virginia BE 3.72 2.17 72.73 66.47 1.69 0.71
Prairie View A&M SWAC 3.71 1.72 0.00 31.60 -3.71 -0.63
South Dakota GWC 3.71 1.67 40.00 64.26 -0.74 0.48
Wisconsin Green Bay Horz 3.71 1.70 38.46 40.37 -0.86 -0.33
Wisconsin Milwaukee Horz 3.71 1.72 50.00 41.97 0.00 -0.28
Bucknell Pat 3.57 1.64 57.14 66.53 0.51 0.54
Centenary Sum 3.57 1.61 0.00 2.54 -3.57 -1.53
Duke ACC 3.57 1.64 100.00 91.29 3.57 1.35
Gonzaga WCC 3.57 1.67 58.33 71.29 0.60 0.71
Longwood ind 3.57 1.70 23.08 28.68 -1.92 -0.72
Mississippi Valley St. SWAC 3.57 1.67 8.33 37.41 -2.98 -0.42
Texas A&M Corpus Chris Slnd 3.57 1.61 22.22 31.60 -1.98 -0.59
Wyoming MWC 0.43 0.11 41.67 30.03 -0.07 -0.05
IUPUI Sum 0.40 0.11 42.86 49.29 -0.06 -0.00
Cleveland St. Horz 0.40 0.16 92.86 83.26 0.34 0.11
Texas A&M B12 0.36 0.06 91.67 74.75 0.30 0.03
Michigan St. B10 0.33 0.19 66.67 57.64 0.11 0.03
Loyola Marymount WCC 0.32 0.12 41.67 44.27 -0.05 -0.01
Baylor B12 0.32 0.06 72.73 67.51 0.14 0.02
Memphis CUSA 0.32 0.11 83.33 66.10 0.21 0.04
Oklahoma St. B12 0.32 0.08 84.62 61.72 0.22 0.02
Western Illinois Sum 0.32 0.09 30.00 31.98 -0.13 -0.03
Nebraska B12 0.31 0.06 83.33 64.67 0.21 0.02
Kansas B12 0.31 0.06 100.00 90.27 0.31 0.05
Eastern Washington BSky 0.30 0.06 18.18 24.53 -0.19 -0.03
Louisiana Monroe SB 0.30 0.06 23.08 27.84 -0.16 -0.03
La Salle A10 0.30 0.11 46.15 47.10 -0.02 -0.01
Butler Horz 0.29 0.19 69.23 78.22 0.11 0.11
Kansas St. B12 0.29 0.05 76.92 64.66 0.15 0.02
Minnesota B10 0.29 0.05 78.57 59.81 0.16 0.01
Oakland Sum 0.29 0.08 50.00 63.08 0.00 0.02
SE Louisiana Slnd 0.29 0.08 37.50 40.34 -0.07 -0.02
Duquesne A10 0.28 0.08 50.00 67.12 0.00 0.03
Miami OH MAC 0.28 0.08 33.33 38.59 -0.09 -0.02
Virginia Military Inst BSth 0.28 0.06 44.44 53.08 -0.03 0.00
Northwestern St. Slnd 0.27 0.09 50.00 44.59 0.00 -0.01
Notre Dame BE 0.27 3.78 85.71 72.87 0.20 1.73
Presbyterian BSth 0.27 0.05 42.86 52.91 -0.04 0.00
Princeton Ivy 0.27 0.08 71.43 73.82 0.11 0.04
North Dakota GWC 0.26 0.15 20.00 36.19 -0.16 -0.04
San Diego St. MWC 0.26 0.05 100.00 86.29 0.26 0.04
Boston College ACC 0.26 0.11 78.57 68.08 0.15 0.04
Columbia Ivy 0.25 0.08 63.64 53.99 0.07 0.01
Detroit Horz 0.25 0.14 50.00 46.35 0.00 -0.01
James Madison CAA 0.25 0.08 76.92 66.69 0.13 0.03
Wright St. Horz 0.25 0.14 53.85 51.45 0.02 0.00
Youngstown St. Horz 0.25 0.11 41.67 30.38 -0.04 -0.04
Bethune Cookman MEAC 0.18 0.03 20.00 39.81 -0.11 -0.01
Georgia St. CAA 0.18 0.03 54.55 43.87 0.02 -0.00
Houston CUSA 0.18 0.03 54.55 37.64 0.02 -0.01
North Florida ASun 0.18 0.05 30.77 36.79 -0.07 -0.01
Ohio MAC 0.18 0.03 53.85 53.72 0.01 0.00
Providence BE 0.18 2.17 73.33 59.16 0.08 0.40
Texas Christian MWC 0.18 0.03 64.29 49.54 0.05 -0.00
Valparaiso Horz 0.18 0.14 61.54 61.59 0.04 0.03
Canisius MAAC 0.16 0.06 50.00 51.11 0.00 0.00
Illinois St. MVC 0.16 0.03 61.54 47.86 0.04 -0.00
Jacksonville St. OVC 0.16 0.03 7.69 17.85 -0.14 -0.02
American Pat 0.15 0.11 64.29 67.86 0.04 0.04
Appalachian St. SC 0.15 0.05 30.00 44.66 -0.06 -0.01
Belmont ASun 0.15 0.03 76.92 82.92 0.08 0.02
Bradley MVC 0.15 0.03 41.67 36.19 -0.02 -0.01
Colgate Pat 0.15 0.17 0.00 12.38 -0.15 -0.12
Davidson SC 0.15 0.08 54.55 66.67 0.01 0.03
Elon SC 0.15 0.03 22.22 36.26 -0.08 -0.01
Grambling SWAC 0.15 0.14 16.67 31.87 -0.10 -0.05
Miami FL ACC 0.15 0.11 78.57 62.80 0.09 0.03
Middle Tennessee SB 0.15 0.03 33.33 47.36 -0.05 -0.00
Missouri B12 0.15 0.05 92.86 73.13 0.13 0.02
NC Greensboro SC 0.15 0.03 0.00 16.90 -0.15 -0.02
North Carolina ACC 0.15 0.11 69.23 66.99 0.06 0.04
Oregon P10 0.15 0.03 46.15 33.87 -0.01 -0.01
Robert Morris NEC 0.15 0.05 33.33 59.36 -0.05 0.01
St. John's BE 0.15 2.20 75.00 61.87 0.07 0.52
St. Louis A10 0.15 0.03 33.33 41.70 -0.05 -0.00
Western Kentucky SB 0.15 0.05 38.46 54.66 -0.03 0.00
Arkansas SEC 0.14 0.11 83.33 66.52 0.09 0.04
Brigham Young MWC 0.14 0.05 92.86 86.81 0.12 0.04
Coppin St. MEAC 0.14 0.08 22.22 45.59 -0.08 -0.01
Georgia SEC 0.14 0.13 84.62 61.37 0.10 0.03
Georgia Southern SC 0.14 0.13 9.09 17.02 -0.11 -0.09
Illinois B10 0.14 0.08 78.57 66.24 0.08 0.03
Indiana B10 0.14 0.08 60.00 46.03 0.03 -0.01
IUPU Fort Wayne Sum 0.14 0.08 66.67 63.43 0.05 0.02
Kentucky SEC 0.14 0.21 84.62 84.54 0.10 0.15
Lafayette Pat 0.14 0.11 25.00 36.00 -0.07 -0.03
Liberty BSth 0.14 0.11 50.00 47.84 0.00 -0.00
Louisiana St. SEC 0.14 0.06 57.14 44.58 0.02 -0.01
Manhattan MAAC 0.14 0.03 16.67 20.71 -0.09 -0.02
Mississippi SEC 0.14 0.05 76.92 68.48 0.07 0.02
Nevada Las Vegas MWC 0.14 0.05 85.71 80.26 0.10 0.03
North Carolina St. ACC 0.14 0.13 69.23 52.37 0.05 0.01
Southern SWAC 0.14 0.14 0.00 20.92 -0.14 -0.08
Southern Mississippi CUSA 0.14 0.05 81.82 72.50 0.09 0.02
St. Mary's WCC 0.14 0.13 83.33 83.61 0.09 0.09
Tennessee Martin OVC 0.14 0.03 16.67 26.86 -0.09 -0.01
Tulane CUSA 0.14 0.06 66.67 55.93 0.05 0.01
Washington St. P10 0.14 0.03 71.43 70.47 0.06 0.01
Xavier A10 0.14 0.11 66.67 58.33 0.05 0.02
Buffalo MAC 0.13 0.03 60.00 67.19 0.03 0.01
Campbell ASun 0.13 0.06 60.00 58.37 0.03 0.01
Colorado B12 0.13 0.03 69.23 51.36 0.05 0.00
Fairleigh Dickinson NEC 0.13 0.11 30.00 35.71 -0.05 -0.03
New Mexico MWC 0.13 0.03 76.92 66.07 0.07 0.01
North Dakota St. Sum 0.13 0.09 45.45 55.19 -0.01 0.01
Seton Hall BE 0.13 3.73 50.00 43.31 0.00 -0.50
SIU Edwardsville ind 0.13 0.09 20.00 19.02 -0.08 -0.06
South Carolina St. MEAC 0.13 0.03 0.00 23.91 -0.13 -0.02
Stephen F. Austin Slnd 0.13 0.09 62.50 76.19 0.03 0.05
William & Mary CAA 0.13 0.06 27.27 24.30 -0.06 -0.03
Binghamton AE 0.12 0.03 25.00 24.46 -0.06 -0.01
Boston University AE 0.12 0.05 35.71 52.34 -0.03 0.00
Bowling Green MAC 0.12 0.03 30.77 30.75 -0.05 -0.01
Cornell Ivy 0.12 0.11 25.00 39.19 -0.06 -0.02
Dartmouth Ivy 0.12 0.05 33.33 30.52 -0.04 -0.02
DePaul BE 0.12 2.17 42.86 29.00 -0.02 -0.91
Florida Atlantic SB 0.12 0.08 53.85 61.30 0.01 0.02
Loyola MD MAAC 0.12 0.05 33.33 45.18 -0.04 -0.01
Niagara MAAC 0.12 0.03 21.43 22.01 -0.07 -0.02
Northern Iowa MVC 0.12 0.05 61.54 61.92 0.03 0.01
Portland WCC 0.12 0.08 80.00 71.98 0.07 0.04
South Dakota St. Sum 0.12 0.09 66.67 69.55 0.04 0.03
St. Francis PA NEC 0.12 0.05 16.67 24.00 -0.08 -0.03
UC Davis BW 0.12 0.03 33.33 41.28 -0.04 -0.00
Villanova BE 0.12 2.17 91.67 73.87 0.10 1.04
Wagner NEC 0.12 0.05 41.67 48.52 -0.02 -0.00
Western Michigan MAC 0.12 0.03 50.00 53.10 0.00 0.00
Have to admit, this is why I'd rather we schedule more teams like UWGB and fewer like Centenary. You look at how much Prairie View, Centenary, Longwood, and TAMU-CC drag down our RPI and it's a bit disappointing. I know that it's all about getting to the magic 20-win goal, but we could still get there if we scheduled the likes of Coastal Carolina, Arkansas State, Evansville, North Dakota State, Hampton, and other teams in the 150-200 range that likely won't need playback games. The drawback (though RPI advantage) to playing UW-M is that they'll ask for the playback because we are in the same city and they feel entitled to it. Did they ask for a playback with DePaul? If not, then it's clear that teams of that ilk are willing to go elsewhere to play without requiring a home game in return. I know there's a bit more risk, but I think that if you did manage to lose a cupcake every 2-3 years, the payback in terms of RPI would be worth that cost.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 02, 2011, 11:37:25 AM
Have to admit, this is why I'd rather we schedule more teams like UWGB and fewer like Centenary. You look at how much Prairie View, Centenary, Longwood, and TAMU-CC drag down our RPI and it's a bit disappointing. I know that it's all about getting to the magic 20-win goal, but we could still get there if we scheduled the likes of Coastal Carolina, Arkansas State, Evansville, North Dakota State, Hampton, and other teams in the 150-200 range that likely won't need playback games. The drawback (though RPI advantage) to playing UW-M is that they'll ask for the playback because we are in the same city and they feel entitled to it. Did they ask for a playback with DePaul? If not, then it's clear that teams of that ilk are willing to go elsewhere to play without requiring a home game in return. I know there's a bit more risk, but I think that if you did manage to lose a cupcake every 2-3 years, the payback in terms of RPI would be worth that cost.
UWGB is a drag on our RPI of -0.86 and is expected to be a season ending drag (as does UW-(hyphen)m. You are absolutely correct that Centenary and others are even more damaging, but all are damaging nonetheless.
What's interesting are schools like South Dakota and Bucknell are expected to have a positive impact on our RPI, despite it being a "buy" game and a home game for us. The simple reason is they are both decent programs that will win a lot of games. Those are also the most difficult to get to come to the BC, unfortunately.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2011, 12:40:55 PMUWGB is a drag on our RPI of -0.86 and is expected to be a season ending drag (as does UW-(hyphen)m. You are absolutely correct that Centenary and others are even more damaging, but all are damaging nonetheless.
It's a drag, UW-M is a drag, but you need to have drag games to ensure you get to the magic 20 win mark. I've got no problems with drags, but I'd just rather see smaller drags, which could be accomplished with teams of comparable playing level to the UW-GBs and UW-Ms of the world that aren't in state and wouldn't expect a return game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 02, 2011, 01:09:45 PM
It's a drag, UW-M is a drag, but you need to have drag games to ensure you get to the magic 20 win mark. I've got no problems with drags, but I'd just rather see smaller drags, which could be accomplished with teams of comparable playing level to the UW-GBs and UW-Ms of the world that aren't in state and wouldn't expect a return game.
Which drag would you rather have? MU's cupcakes with the season ending with the BE? Or Gonzaga's killer OOC ending in a cupcake conference?