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Let's have everyone go on record right now..with their forecast.  List your prediction.

Mine is NCAA.

Ners, do everyone a favor and pull this garbage.

It is lame, badly timed and not what anyone needs right now.

Quote from: MU Avenue on December 12, 2010, 04:33:29 PM
Ners, do everyone a favor and pull this garbage.

It is lame, badly timed and not what anyone needs right now.

NCAA.... 22-9 bigtime bubble but we sneak in.

Quote from: MU Avenue on December 12, 2010, 04:33:29 PM
Ners, do everyone a favor and pull this garbage.

It is lame, badly timed and not what anyone needs right now.

Not lame at all.  Thanks for playing "What people should and shouldn't talk about." 

Who is our next contestant?

NCAA

I believe the team will be far better in February then now.

Keep in mind that there are also 4 extra spots in the tourney this year.

NIT.   No quality wins out of conference will be a killer.  

Can't shoot.

Can't rebound.

NIT.

Quote from: MU Avenue on December 12, 2010, 04:33:29 PM
Ners, do everyone a favor and pull this garbage.

It is lame, badly timed and not what anyone needs right now.

Not sure why you feel this way...think it is actually quite relevant right now...as many seem fairly convinced the team won't be very good this year.  Think it is interesting to see how the community is thinking.  Sorry Avenue..

I'm for whatever chicos isn't for.  I want to hate chicos too.

Quote from: chren21 on December 12, 2010, 04:46:17 PM
NCAA.... 22-9 bigtime bubble but we sneak in.

I'm right there with you.  Maybe ten losses, but I think we sneak in in one of the final spots.  Mainly because we make it to the Semi's in the Big East tournament.

From the Bracketology perspective. Joe Lunardi has us and Butler in the first four out. It was last updated on friday before our lose to the rodents.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)

We don't have a quality conference win, and I highly doubt that we can beat Vanderbilt on the road.  With such a poor non conference resume, we would have to get 11-12 Big East wins in order to have a shot.  I just don't see that happening. 

NCAA, 10 seed

Big East schedule looks a lot more brutal than when it first came out.  Six very tough road games, and we'll probably trip up against one of the "easier" ones as well (USF, SHU, Rutgers).  If we were an unbeatable home team we'd have a chance, but we'll probably drop a couple more at the BC like we do every year.  10-8 will be tough, and that will only be enough for the NCAA with a win over Vanderbilt and two in the BET.

NIT. And if DJO continues to slump, not even that.

Quote from: PVMagic on December 12, 2010, 05:43:29 PM
Keep in mind that there are also 4 extra spots in the tourney this year.

Technically 3 extra spots....65 to 68.


Ners, this team has the ability to go to the NCAA if Buzz can get them to gel.  I have no doubt we will be better in February than mid December, the question will be if they make the jump in enough time.  My biggest concern is the lack of big strides in improvement thus far.  These are young guys, or inexperienced veterans and they seem without a strong leader right now.  Will that change?  If it doesn't, this is a NIT team.  If it does, they have a shot at the NCAAs but they need to get things modified soon.  The next two cupcakes won't show us a thing. I fully expect a Vandy loss, but what I'm looking for most in that game is improvement in areas of deficiency we currently have.

Talent screams NCAA.
Play screams NIT.

A long and deep NIT run will benefit this MU team.

This Web site is intended for people to share thoughts, opinions, observations, feelings and concerns about Marquette basketball.

That said, this poll and the surprising participation strike me as a cheap shot against those who represent Marquette on the basketball court.

I welcome almost all comments and opinions here, but this poll lacks all support and respect for our team.

To me, this poll is insulting and unnecessary. It stinks.

Quote from: MU Avenue on December 12, 2010, 09:21:16 PM
This Web site is intended for people to share thoughts, opinions, observations, feelings and concerns about Marquette basketball.

That said, this poll and the surprising participation strike me as a cheap shot against those who represent Marquette on the basketball court.

I welcome almost all comments and opinions here, but this poll lacks all support and respect for our team.

To me, this poll is insulting and unnecessary. It stinks.

I dont understand why you think that?  We cant all vote and share our predictions at this point without disrespecting our team?  Why not?

Quote from: MU Avenue on December 12, 2010, 09:21:16 PM
This Web site is intended for people to share thoughts, opinions, observations, feelings and concerns about Marquette basketball.

That said, this poll and the surprising participation strike me as a cheap shot against those who represent Marquette on the basketball court.

I welcome almost all comments and opinions here, but this poll lacks all support and respect for our team.

To me, this poll is insulting and unnecessary. It stinks.

???? 

I don't know how you get there.  It's a poll asking where people think MU will end up at basically the 1/3 point of the season.  How is it insulting?

Quote from: MU Avenue on December 12, 2010, 09:21:16 PM
To me, this poll is insulting and unnecessary. It stinks.

I presume you actually meant this for the user named "NoMoreBuycks"?

Sticking to what I posted several weeks ago:

"Hope I'm wrong, but I think theses guys have been really overated. 

Crowder - Disapointingly  soft
Blue- No offense
Caudigan- so-so. Not that talented
Buycks- Nuff said
Butler- Can't do it all. Doesn't seemed to have steped up off last year.
DJO- really inconsistent.

Team can't shoot, can't rebound, mediocre on free throws, soft on defense, and certainly doesn't hustle like last year.

Hope I'm wrong but hello NIT. "

Quote from: Mutaman on December 13, 2010, 01:14:29 AM
Sticking to what I posted several weeks ago:

"Hope I'm wrong, but I think theses guys have been really overated. 

Crowder - Disapointingly  soft
Blue- No offense
Caudigan- so-so. Not that talented
Buycks- Nuff said
Butler- Can't do it all. Doesn't seemed to have steped up off last year.
DJO- really inconsistent.

Team can't shoot, can't rebound, mediocre on free throws, soft on defense, and certainly doesn't hustle like last year.

Hope I'm wrong but hello NIT. "

Hmmm. Not to worry. Next year we will have 7 top players on the roster. There is always next year.

Quote from: MU Avenue on December 12, 2010, 09:21:16 PM
This Web site is intended for people to share thoughts, opinions, observations, feelings and concerns about Marquette basketball.

That said, this poll and the surprising participation strike me as a cheap shot against those who represent Marquette on the basketball court.

I welcome almost all comments and opinions here, but this poll lacks all support and respect for our team.

To me, this poll is insulting and unnecessary. It stinks.

I don't really see how this poll is any different than making pre-season predictions or pre-game predictions. We're 10 games into a 30-game regular season. It seems like as good a time as any to have a poll like this. If MU was 10-0 with wins over Duke, K-State and Wisco, the season would obviously look very, very different. As it stands, MU is 7-3 with losses to the 3 non-cupcakes that they've played and had unimpressive performances against some weaker teams.

I think it would be interesting to have another poll 20 games into the season, which would also be almost half way into the conf schedule. Things could definitely change a lot between now and then.

Personally, I think MU looks and plays like an NIT team right now. I really, really hope I'm wrong but that's just how I feel based on what I've seen through 10 games. That doesn't mean that I'm ready to give up on the season.

We've played like an NIT one so far, and frankly, one that won't go far in the NIT. My sincere hope is that this team grows together in the next month. The advantage to the Big East is that there are still plenty of quality wins out there to be had. My biggest worry is that if we lose to Vandy, we probably need to get 12 wins in the Big East. That won't be easy this year.

We have no quality wins HOWEVER we have no bad losses.

I'm disappointed in the loss, and MU didn't look great.

I don't understand Buzz's rotation right now, but I hope he does, because I'm afraid it could become a psychological issue for the guys.

With this said, MU's best offensive player is just lost right now, and they coughed up some long rebounds (ie back-breakers). I can't be that upset about all some the offensive rebounds UW got, because a handful of them came off long, and sometimes it's just luck if you get the ball. I know we all long hustle and positioning, but sometimes it just comes off towards a Badger player. Can't freak out about that.

I think the team has some growing to do, but a couple of small tweaks (maybe DJO gets hot) and some good luck, and they will be good. A win at Vandy wouldn't shock me.

Not to be a wiseass, but I think the poll needs a "None of the above" choice.

Very disheartened by what we've seen so far - a winning record in the BE seems like a pipe dream at present, and I think we're heading for a losing league record. I hope like hell that things change, and that in Feb. and March posters are pointing out how wrong I was - I won't mind it a bit.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 13, 2010, 09:11:03 AM
We have no quality wins HOWEVER we have no bad losses.

That should get us in!   No bad losses!   That could be our slogan.

.. but seriously .. that may be about right.  Look .. we're in the hunt for an at-large bid -- like always.  So the question is, are we one of the best ~45 teams in that group.  The answer is .. we've played 3 teams in that group, and have been handled.   (Although with the Zags at 4-5 now, they are looking very bubblish)   We're probably in the 60-75 range. 

We won't have bad losses, but you need to beat a few <64 to show you belong in that group.

Right now, this team cannot rebpound well enough to beat a bigger team.  And, it can't shoot well enough to beat any team playing a reasonably good zone.

No NC wins and the loss to Gonzaga is not looking like a 'quality' loss at the moment.

So, right now, this is an NIT team.

If the tournaments were selected today, we'd be in the NIT.  However, we still have 14-15 games left against top 50 teams, and about 7 of those are at home.  I expect that we will get a bunch of good wins once our luck turns and DJO gets hot.  It doesn't really matter yet that much what we've done...there's still lots of work to do.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 13, 2010, 09:11:03 AM
We have no quality wins HOWEVER we have no bad losses.

The Big East season will give us plenty of chances to get our quality wins.  Ten Big East wins coupled with no bad losses (home vs. DePaul, Seton Hall, etc.) would be enough to get us on the right side of the bubble. 

i voted NIT. not necessarily because I think this team can't or won't get better, but more just because we are already running out of big games to build a resume.  we've only got one big out of conference test, and if we lose 1-2 conference games we shouldn't, our goose is cooked without a BEast championship game appearance in the tourney.  with a team this young and yet to gel, I have to assume we drop one or two that are penciled in as Ws today.
* Disclaimer - this team has BEast tourney run written all over it. We are deep, young, and high tempo.  We are the perfect build to wear down lesser teams over 2-3 days and to outgun teams that may have already secured a bid and are somewhat apathetic.

Quote from: MUunderpants on December 12, 2010, 05:43:40 PM
NIT.   No quality wins out of conference will be a killer.  

Agreed. that is a resume killer

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 13, 2010, 06:56:36 AM
Personally, I think MU looks and plays like an NIT team right now.

Interesting, When I said the same thing several weeks ago, you said it was "one of the dumbest posts" you've ever seen.

Quote from: Mutaman on December 13, 2010, 12:12:52 PM
Interesting, When I said the same thing several weeks ago, you said it was "one of the dumbest posts" you've ever seen.

You don't say.    Paging Lenny...paging Lenny

Quote from: Mutaman on December 13, 2010, 12:12:52 PM
Interesting, When I said the same thing several weeks ago, you said it was "one of the dumbest posts" you've ever seen.

Not true. Your post that calls out several MU players as being overrated and lists vague reasons as to why (a post you re-posted on this thread) is what I called one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on these boards. Yes, you did mention the NIT at the end of your basketball ignorant post but it's the part before that which made me call you out. If you had simply said, "MU looks and plays like an NIT team right now," that would be entirely different.

Selective memory is fun, isn't it? Has Chicos been mentoring you?

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 13, 2010, 01:08:28 PM
Not true. Your post that calls out several MU players as being overrated and lists vague reasons as to why (a post you re-posted on this thread) is what I called one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on these boards. Yes, you did mention the NIT at the end of your basketball ignorant post but it's the part before that which made me call you out. If you had simply said, "MU looks and plays like an NIT team right now," that would be entirely different.

Selective memory is fun, isn't it? Has Chicos been mentoring you?

The posts speak for themselves. Isn't it amazing how smart I've become in the past few weeks.

Quote from: Mutaman on December 13, 2010, 02:00:41 PM
The posts speak for themselves. Isn't it amazing how smart I've become in the past few weeks.

Chicos must have gotten a little misty-eyed when he read this post from his protege.

A little too many posters around here gloating when their supposed team loses.  Sounds like a true fan (fragile egos vs. Marquette wins... they'll take Marquette losses to protect the fragile ego).   ::)

Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 13, 2010, 03:27:35 PM
A little too many posters around here gloating when their supposed team loses.  Sounds like a true fan (fragile egos vs. Marquette wins... they'll take Marquette losses to protect the fragile ego).   ::)

We all want our team to win.  We all love MU.  We don't like it when we call an ace an ace and get bush wacked for doing so.  Loving a team does not mean pretending that the team is infallible.....how would Cubs fans survive for a century?   ;)

MU has a lot of talent and hopefully they can get this thing pointed in the right direction.  They're not that far off....future is bright.

+1,000,000 to MarquetteDano

Way too early to talk NIT.  Last year MU had those 3 losses going into the BE season and promplty lost several more games in the BE.  Lets give Buzz and Co. some wiggle room here.

Quote from: Nukem2 on December 13, 2010, 04:52:41 PM
Way too early to talk NIT.  Last year MU had those 3 losses going into the BE season and promplty lost several more games in the BE.  Lets give Buzz and Co. some wiggle room here.

I think it's fair to consider...last year we also had wins over Xavier and Michigan, both of which looked like good wins (the Wolverines were ranked #15 when we played them IIRC) and despite having 3 losses, there were more positives to offset them. If we beat Vandy we'll be back on the bubble, but if we lose that game and come out of non-conference with zero quality non-con wins, it'll take a titanic effort to get to the NCAAs.

This board was great when it was smaller..   Now, unfortunately it has become almost unreadable.

Hoping they can grow as a team in time to be on the right side of the bubble. 

Ncaa.don't believe out of conference quality wins matter as long as you have quality wins in the conference and the conference has many quality wins.

We have a tougher schedule than last year when 22 wins got us a 6-seed.  No way we need 22 to make it.

Just to bump this thread..interesting how voting played out:  60% to 40% vote favoring NIT over NCAA postseason tourney.  Still a long way to go..and we'll definitely know a lot more about our likely fate in the next 3-4 weeks...

Quote from: Ners on January 07, 2011, 09:03:49 PM
Just to bump this thread..interesting how voting played out:  60% to 40% vote favoring NIT over NCAA postseason tourney.  Still a long way to go..and we'll definitely know a lot more about our likely fate in the next 3-4 weeks...

Still sounds about right to me. We're definitely in the hunt right now but I'd still place our chances at about 40/60 of getting in. I think we'll make it but if Selection Sunday were today that would pretty much be our odds...