When I make the flight into town to see a game, the UWM game in an ancient building isn't exactly at the top of my list.
Says it all...
attendance at MU 2009......14244
attendance at MU 2008......15168
attendance at MU 2007......18283
attendance at UWM 2010....7120
Yup clearly Marquette's fault for lack of interest and attendance...
I looked into buying some tickets for the game, I believe you had to buy a 5 game pack of tickets. You could not just buy tickets for the MU game.
You could...but not until VERY recently. And they were $20 a pop...plus a ticketmaster fee. Not worth the drive from Chicago IMHO.
I went to the game, and $20 a pop is cheap for any college basketball game.
MU came away with nothing positive from the game. Embarrassed at the final score in a win. Whined at because our fans didn't show. This is just a stupid series for MU to play.
I went to the game, and $20 a pop is cheap for any college basketball game.
This has me on the verge of joining the converted of telling UW-M to go screw. I like the idea of the RPI bonus, and actually find some value and fun to the in-city rivalry, but blaming us for not selling the place out when they made it virtually impossible to get tickets? They're the ones giving tickets away to their own students and still can't fill the building? And then they have the gall to say it's our fault when they made tickets only available for people that bought five-game packs? What Marquette fan wants a five-game pack to UW-M, aside from mupanther?
It's funny. They get the series back, they get a game in their own building, and they're psyched because they expect to finally sell out The Cell. But then they worry that MU fans will take over the building, so they make it difficult and expensive for us to get tickets, which keeps a large portion of MU fans away. By the time they realize their sell-out plan isn't going to work, it's too late to draw in the Marquette fans that already decided not to come when they took measures to keep us from coming.
Morons. You know what, I am at the "screw UW-M" point. I don't think we should continue the series. Not because I don't see value, but just to spite them. Let's see them draw 7,000 for anyone but us.
In all fairness to UWM, this is just one UWM fans opinion who happens to have a blog. I'm guessing their actual athletic department is quite thankful for the MU fans bringing in some money for a change.
One blog post, but an opinion shared by many UW-M fans (is that an oxymoron)?
I'm new....some of this should probably be in teal.
I'm for ridding ourselves of this non-rivalvry no-win situation for MU. I have a much better idea....move the entire UW-brand of basketball into a preseason tournament in Madison....far far away from Marquette. You could thrill the Kohl hole faithful with a night of UW-GB vs. UW-Milwaukee and UW-Madison vs. the favorite in the D-3 level like UW-Stevens Point. Imagine the raucous crowd watching a thrilling 46-23 UW drubbing of UW-Stevens Point...followed by the roar of 200 student fans watching the Phoenix and Panthers do battle for the privilege of being part of a 54-45 championship game in front of a packed house of non-student fans clamoring over a true college "state champion."
Let em' have it....nobody outside of Wisconsin cares.....give us preseason tournaments, home and home with some legitimate D-1 schools so we can prepare for the Big East.
I'm new....some of this should probably be in teal.
I looked into buying some tickets for the game, I believe you had to buy a 5 game pack of tickets. You could not just buy tickets for the MU game.Well I guess you can't read at all or you must not be on this board that much. >:(
And then they have the gall to say it's our fault when they made tickets only available for people that bought five-game packs? What Marquette fan wants a five-game pack to UW-M, aside from mupanther?1) It's UWM not UW-M.
but us.
3) It's a four game packs for $40.
I don't get how that is any different than Marquette selling 5 game packs for the Badgers game if you want a MU-UW ticket?
Because the MU v UW-Madison sells out.UWM did put single game tickets out on Nov.8. What is so wrong with UWM trying to make money? So people had three weeks to buy tickets.
UWM should try to fill the Mecca up halfway before they try to start making money on schemes.
Because the MU v UW-Madison sells out.
Short and to the point... Love it. Just a minor, insignificant detail...Sell the four packs first, than the singles. I think the UWM ticket office thought the game would sell out.
I'm thinking UWM thought MU would sell the game out.
That's the truth. They overestimated demand for Horizon League bball. I really don't think there's that much demand for this game. Not a lot of single game seats were sold for this game the past few years at the BC. I'm not sure why UW-M's athletic department thought it would be different at the Mecca.The Wisconsin Badgers-Milwaukee Panthers game in 2006 was on a Wednesday and had over 10,000 with single game tickets not going on sale untill 2 days before the game. That's why I think they thought it would be a sell-out.
I'm thinking UWM thought MU would sell the game out.Clearly they overestimated their position.
1) It's UWM not UW-M.
2) I have full season-tickets to both.
3) It's a four game packs for $40.
I don't get how that is any different than Marquette selling 5 game packs for the Badgers game if you want a MU-UW ticket?
That's why I think they thought it would be a sell-out.
It's UWM not UW-M.
Brew City 77-I hear your point that MU fans don't want to buy Panther 4 packs. What's wrong with just seeing a college basketball game? I get it that some do and some don't. Like I said it worked in 2006 with the Badger game.
Maybe or maybe not. How can you go wrong with 4 games for $40, with 2 of the 4 games in one of the plans having MU and Butler.
Honestly, I think you are the exception rather than the rule. I don't think the general public is going to buy a 4 pack of tickets to get the ticket they want, and be stuck with three games they don't want to see.
What your tone, if you are talking to me.
Maybe or maybe not. How can you go wrong with 4 games for $40, with 2 of the 4 games in one of the plans having MU and Butler.
The NCAA toury in Milwaukee is a sell-out. What do we really care about those 8 teams?
Well, if you don't give a crap about 2 or 3 of the 4 games, you can go wrong.I never said UWM basketball was good or bad basketball. If you don't want to go that is your choice. They do have bars before and after UWM games. ;)
The NCAA tourney is postseason. It's good basketball with fans from each team represented at the games (and bars before and after the games). I'm not sure I'd call UW-M good basketball.
Frankly I'm tired of seeing this great hyphen outrage here, or the JS, the UWM board, or anywhere else the game is being discussed. It seems like a lot of the conversation ends up degenerating into hyphenhood.They do go overboard, it's like the Warriors nickname.
Of all the many issues facing UWM's athletic department, punctuation seems to set their fans off. No wonder they are mired in apathy and mediocrity.
My suggestion for Panther Nation- Leave punctuation for English class and get your house in order. Maybe then people will take this series seriously.
UWM did put single game tickets out on Nov.8. What is so wrong with UWM trying to make money? So people had three weeks to buy tickets.
A scheme is four games for $40, Come'on!
There's nothing wrong with UWM trying to make money.You bring up great points!
The problem is, not that many people purchased tickets, which led to a 1/3 empty building.
The 3K remaining seats might have sold if UWM took a different marketing approach. Obviously MU can draw in Milwaukee, so there is a market for MU hoops. The UWM athletic department missed on attracting them.
Maybe that was on purpose. Maybe they didn't want the building to be 3/4 MU fans.
Also, do we know who picked the date? A date when students were in school could have added 500-1000 MU student fans. But, again, maybe UWM didn't want that.
Brew City 77-I hear your point that MU fans don't want to buy Panther 4 packs. What's wrong with just seeing a college basketball game? I get it that some do and some don't. Like I said it worked in 2006 with the Badger game.
I didn't go to MU or UWM, my wife and I just have full-season tickets to both and never miss a game. ;)
I see the none sell out Saturday, as everyones fault Marquette fans and UWM fans and the people who live in Milwaukee that are not a fan of MU or UWM, but says I like all 4 of the state schools.
You bring up great points!
I think the date worked well with both schools. I don't know if you saw what I said before, in 2006 UW-UWM has over 10,000 at the Cell with UWM not putting single game tickets out untill two days before the game. I'm sure UWM thought the game would've sold-out with MU.
Badgers played at the Cell during the 2008 season. Maybe your facts are wrong?It was 12/12/07
You seem to like the UW comparison, but it's not apples to apples, and if the UWM or UW-M or Milwaukee athletic department thought that it was, they are not that smart.
UW GAME
- UW only comes to Milwaukee once ever 5 years (approx.), so UW fans in the Milwaukee area are definitely going to be excited to see them play in their own backyard.
It was 12/12/07
AKA the 2008 seasonsure ::)
Well I guess you can't read at all or you must not be on this board that much. >:(
1st) It was four game pack for $ 40
2nd) Single game tickets went on sale on Nov.8 for the game. I posted it and others on here time and time again.
Many want to see the big 1 seed versus 16 matchup in the toury. That's good basketball?
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, but the NCAA tournament gives you four games on the first day, of which at least 2-3 should be competitive. All of the teams in the field are conference winners or the best at-large teams in the country, so in theory all of the teams involved play good basketball.As a UWM fan, I care more about a Panther game than an NCAA toury game.
But in terms of apples to apples comparisons, you can't possibly think individual games, even UW-M v Butler or Northern Iowa, are on the same level as a full day of hoops in the NCAA Tourney.
Prior to Nov 8th, I had already looked at ticketmaster and seen I couldn't get tickets. I assumed it was because they had sold the majority to UWM fans or through the the multi pack deals. As a result, we got tickets through a poster with extra tickets on the board. As others have noted, UWM did a terrible job marketing this game to the MU fans who would have sold it out.How would they market to MU fans?
Also, a few of our UWM interns at work received an email the week prior to the game that in addition to their 1 FREE ticket to the game, any student could receive a 2nd FREE ticket . None of our UWM interns took up this offer, and evidently few other students did either.
If UWM cared, they would have marketed this game first to MU fans instead of failing to give the tickets away for free to their own (lack of) fans.
I guess I more speaking about those fans I read on JsOnline and who live in the area that say "I'm a fan of all 4 D-1 schools in the state of Wisconsin. Those people.
Maybe or maybe not. How can you go wrong with 4 games for $40, with 2 of the 4 games in one of the plans having MU and Butler.
Seriously. Who gives a flying f*ck about a hyphen? Is UWM that pathetic that its fans are offended by a hyphen?
Let's see- Your fans and students are terminally apathetic. You draw 2500 on an average night. Your coach has been nothing but mediocre since Pearl's players left. You have no chancellor. You have no AD.
But those GD Marquette fans mocking by hyphen. The outrage!
How would they market to MU fans?
They had billboards out for the game and TV adds for Panther Basketball. I don't see MU market any better or different than UWM.
They do go overboard, it's like the Warriors nickname.
You are a day late and a dollar short! I didn't ask for your 2 cents. Move on pretty boy.
I didn't really notice the billboards or TV adds. I guess it is easily missed in the world of DVR. How to market to MU Fans?You couldn't be more wrong. Seats went on sale on Nov. 8 for single game tickets. You want UWM to do advertising at the BC? I put out lots of info and links on this site for tickets.
1. Open up all seating on ticketmaster.com before Nov 8th so MU fans can purchase tickets
2. Pay for advertising at a Marquette game letting MU fans know tickets are still available
3. Someone from UWM's ticket department could post on these message boards knowing MUScoop and Dodds have MU fans out there
4. Offer MU Students a deal on tickets. Have MU email students about the game.
I understand it is difficult to get students to attend over a Thanksgiving break, but if I recall correctly, Marquette has gone as far as offering shuttles from Chicago and/or northern Wisconsin to get students to attend a big game or two over Xmas break. That is one way Marquette has marketed better/different. However, the biggest difference is Marquette doesn't need to market any better to sell out their biggest home game of the year. It was pathetic UWM could not get a bigger crowd to attend.
I didn't ask for yours, and the stuff you are on we covered.
When you post to a public board you ask for everyone's opinions!
If you want private answers, then send emails or a PM.
I didn't ask for yours, and the stuff you are on we covered.
You couldn't be more wrong. Seats went on sale on Nov. 8 for single game tickets. You want UWM to do advertising at the BC?
First of all, with a game around Thanksgiving, putting the tickets out for general sale earlier is smarter. That way people can make travel plans around the game if need be. If they thought they couldn't get tickets w/o a 4 pack when making plans, that could explain part of it.I agree with what you said, but UWM did put the single game tickets out there 3 weeks before the game, unlike the 2 days before for the UW-UWM game in 2007. It did say on the UWM site that single game tickets would come out to the public in November for the MU-UWM game.
I agree with you as far as advertising at the BC. Not realistic.
Fact is MU fans doesn't view this as a big game, plus alot of the old season-ticket holders in the lower bowl are not smart enough to think of getting tickets to the game.
Not smart enough?
unlike the 2 days before for the UW-UWM game in 2007
I agree with what you said, but UWM did put the single game tickets out there 3 weeks before the game, unlike the 2 days before for the UW-UWM game in 2007. It did say on the UWM site that single game tickets would come out to the public in November for the MU-UWM game.
Fact is MU fans doesn't view this as a big game, plus alot of the old season-ticket holders in the lower bowl are not smart enough to think of getting tickets to the game.
You couldn't be more wrong. Seats went on sale on Nov. 8 for single game tickets. You want UWM to do advertising at the BC? I put out lots of info and links on this site for tickets.
Marquette/BC sells advertising all the time. I am sure they would love to take money from UWM to advertise ticket availability in a quick blurb on the scoreboard at some point during the game. Unlike UWM, we do not get state money to fund our athletics. Revenue from advertising and fans in the seats help support the program. So, why was advertising at the BC not an option for UWM?
You keep comparing this game to the UW - Madison game. Keep in mind that UW Madison has the "Great Unwashed" as a fan base in Wisconsin. In other words, most people in Wisconsin are de facto Becky fans and will take the opportunity to see them plan in Milwaukee as opposed to driving to the people's republic. Unfortunately, MU largely has only its alums as a fan base. It really isn't the same...not to mention the fact that Madison is 4 times as large as MU so it has a much larger alumni and student base to draw from.Sorry the facts are the facts in when they sold tickets for the game.
Yes, I understand tickets went on sale Nov 8th. However, if you read my post, I said you should have put tickets on ticketmaster BEFORE Nov 8th. The schedule was announced long before Nov 8th. What was the benefit of waiting until Nov 8th?Why in hell do you single me out? I don't work for UWM. Yet, you don't include me as MU fans.
Marquette/BC sells advertising all the time. I am sure they would love to take money from UWM to advertise ticket availability in a quick blurb on the scoreboard at some point during the game. Unlike UWM, we do not get state money to fund our athletics. Revenue from advertising and fans in the seats help support the program. So, why was advertising at the BC not an option for UWM?
Obviously your strategy to attract spectators did not work. The attendance was sad. While I understand why your own fans do not go to your own games even when tickets are FREE, you appear unwilling to accept any accountability on behalf of UWM doing a poor job to attract other fans. Your strategy did not work, yet you are unwilling to change. You have no chance, and yet you think it is the Marquette fans that are not smart enough?.
Sorry the facts are the facts in when they sold tickets for the game.
Sorry the facts are the facts in when they sold tickets for the game.You're right, Panther, UW-M should sell every game the exact same way regardless of whether they are playing Duke at home or UW-Fond du Lac. It has sure worked well for them so far based on their attendance numbers!
You're right, Panther, UW-M should sell every game the exact same way regardless of whether they are playing Duke at home or UW-Fond du Lac. It has sure worked well for them so far based on their attendance numbers!Come'on, Duke and UW-Fond du Lac.
Come'on, Duke and UW-Fond du Lac.
We are talking Badgers and MU.
According to your argument, facts are facts. The only thing that matters is when the tickets went on sale and it isn't important to consider other issues that may come into play.I agree, I can't do anything about it.
Like I said UW-UWM, they sold singles only two days before the game and over 10,000. MU-UWM three weeks before, they thought it would be a sell-out. What else do you want me to say, I don't work for UWM, I never went to school at UWM and I have no family that went to UWM. I can only go by the numbers in terms how they did it before.
It's not UW-M, it's Milwaukee, UWM or UW-Milwaukee
It's only Milwaukee to UW-M marketers...to the rest of us it's UW-M (or UWM, I don't care)If you don't care why did you talk about it?
Schedules don't come out to the fans untill Labor Day.
So what....4 years ago UWM fans knew this game was going to be played. It was the game of the century, the JS and the talk shows got their demands met, UWM fans were going to have MU at home...come on!!Everyones to balm!
There are more UWM alums in Milwaukee than MU has in the entire STATE.
When you get this once in 50 year opportunity you have to get your butts over there. I don't care if the actual schedule came out in August \ September, you have to find a way. 7,000 is AWFUL!
So what....4 years ago UWM fans knew this game was going to be played. It was the game of the century, the JS and the talk shows got their demands met, UWM fans were going to have MU at home...come on!!
There are more UWM alums in Milwaukee than MU has in the entire STATE.
When you get this once in 50 year opportunity you have to get your butts over there. I don't care if the actual schedule came out in August \ September, you have to find a way. 7,000 is AWFUL!
Everyone knows the issue with UWM as a whole. It is bascially a commuter school that most of their students treat as an extension of high school. That type of relationship does not generate a great deal of fan support during times when the basketball program isn't good.Bottomline it is a commuter school that's been D1 since 1990, but really did not come on the radar untill 2001 or 2003, if you say when Bo Ryan or Pearl got there.
They have been trying to "reimage" itself as a residential school with a great campus life, but everything I have seen is that this effort is meeting with at best mixed results. The campus is in a pretty dull neighborhood and when 80% of the students leave everyday, only so much excitement can be generated. OTOH, they have increased their six year graduation rate from 33 to 43% over the past ten years...and that really isn't bad considering the type of institution it is.
Estimating that 1/2 the people in attendance were MU fans. That makes 3500 and that is not only awful, but embarrassingI don't think anyone can say half the crowd was MU.
I don't think anyone can say half the crowd was MU.
Bottomline it is a commuter school that's been D1 since 1990, but really did not come on the radar untill 2001 or 2003, if you say when Bo Ryan or Pearl got there.
UWM is now on 1130 WISN and a post-game radio show from Major's G.
UWM is on TWC32 for it's games. Not to long ago they where not on tv.
I don't think anyone can say half the crowd was MU.
I wasn't there, (didn't interest me) but from accounts I heard on this board and elsewhere the estimate was about 1/2. Lets say it was 70/30 thats still 4900 and that still falls in the embarrassing range imo.That's to bad you didn't go, you miss a fun game. We could of used you.
It is NOT MU's responsibility to pack YOUR GYMNASIUM.
That's to bad you didn't go, you miss a fun game. We could of used you.
Especially for a game where they have no financial gain.Is it's MU responsibility? No, but where are the MU fans to just support Marquette.
I don't think anyone can say half the crowd was MU.
If Marquette agrees to extending the series, UW-M officials will have to have a long, hard think about how they market this game in the future, and weigh whether they'd rather have a stronger UW-M fan presence, or give that up to sell seats.
The announcers may have said that, I don't know because I was at the game, but I'd agree that it wasn't 50% Marquette. Maybe 30-35% Marquette, but for them to sell out, they needed it to be 50-60% Marquette, simply based on the number of fans that will regularly attend games for the two schools. Milwaukee draws an average of 2,883. Figure for a big game, you won't double the home crowd, but maybe an extra 75%, bringing UW-M fans to about 5,000. The Cell seats 10,783, so you still need another 5,700 Marquette fans to pack the place.
If UW-M wanted to sell those tickets, they needed to find a way to draw that many MU fans in. They probably brought in around 2,000. So what could they have done? I'm not sure. Certainly opening single-game seats sooner would have helped. Maybe try cooperating with Marquette's Athletic Department. See if they would allow UW-M to send out a mailer to season ticket holders with a discount code, or a mass email to students, again with a special code. Give Marquette 10% of the profits UW-M made off those tickets (based on the code) and you might have an incentive that would lead to them agreeing to help you sell out the building.
And of course, when they aren't selling, drop the 4-game packages. If you really want a package, sell a 2-game pack for either Butler or Northern Iowa. Hell, offer that for $25 and I bet they would have sold more of those packages than the 4 games for $40.
There were a number of things UW-M could have done, but it would have required two things. First, cooperating with Marquette's Athletic Department, and second accepting that to fill the gym, Marquette fans would have to outnumber UW-M fans. It seems either they weren't willing to do either, or any attempts they did make fell short.
If Marquette agrees to extending the series, UW-M officials will have to have a long, hard think about how they market this game in the future, and weigh whether they'd rather have a stronger UW-M fan presence, or give that up to sell seats.
Are you saying "your" as toward myself or UWM?
Is it's MU responsibility? No, but where are the MU fans to just support Marquette.
I understand you are a MU fan, as well, but you seem to be here representing UW-M's interests in this particular thread.
Is it's MU responsibility? No, but where are the MU fans to just support Marquette.
UWM and you....it was their broadcast, they supplied the announcersI"m a season-ticket holder for Marquette, who goes to every home.
I understand you are a MU fan, as well, but you seem to be here representing UW-M's interests in this particular thread.
I like this quote coming from Chicos!::)
MU came away with nothing positive from the game. Embarrassed at the final score in a win. Whined at because our fans didn't show. This is just a stupid series for MU to play.
Totally agree. The Division 1 pre-conference season of Bucknell, South Dakota, Green Bay, UWM and the Little Sisters of the Poor up on the east side does no one at MU any good. D1 powers should play D1 powers, like we did in Kansas City. Like we have in Orlando, Alaska and Hawaii as well.
The real test of our team is when we play Duke, Gonzaga, Vanderbilt and Wisconsin. You want a sell-out, have Marquette play these teams instead of a group of never-were's. Or have us play Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern or Illinois, like we once did from time to time.
On the plus side, this little dispute over why the game didn't sell out seems to have taken the attention away from the margin of victory that had everyone's panties in a bunch over the past weekend :)
Florida losing at Central Florida tonight takes some of the sting out of it, too.I don't know if you saw the UF-UCF game, it was in Orlando at the Magic's new arena. Many Gator fan there. Fun game to watch.
I don't know if you saw the UF-UCF game, it was in Orlando at the Magic's new arena. Many Gator fan there. Fun game to watch.
the Magic's new arena.