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Title: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 29, 2010, 08:06:34 PM
http://milwaukeepanthertracks.blogspot.com/2010/11/no-cigar-milwaukee-battles-tough-falls.html



"While the Cell was not sold out as many had hoped when this deal was struck (thanks in large part to the severe lack of Marquette fans who seemingly protested this game because they do not think the series benefits MU), it was a rollicking house of 7,000+."




Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: GGGG on November 29, 2010, 08:11:30 PM
Their school is twice the size, and plays in about an arena with a capacity half that of the Bradley Center, and they are blaming MU???
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: MUEng92 on November 29, 2010, 08:14:46 PM
Wow, I thought I was just watching a basketball game in my home.  I didn't even realize I was actually protesting at the same time. Multitasking!
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: GGGG on November 29, 2010, 08:17:34 PM
On top of that, I was drinking too!!!
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Coleman on November 29, 2010, 08:58:42 PM
Says it all...

attendance at MU 2009......14244
attendance at MU 2008......15168
attendance at MU 2007......18283

attendance at UWM 2010....7120


Yup clearly Marquette's fault for lack of interest and attendance...

Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: chapman on November 29, 2010, 09:09:53 PM
When I make the flight into town to see a game, the UWM game in an ancient building isn't exactly at the top of my list.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: PE8983 on November 29, 2010, 09:22:07 PM
They wanted the game.  They got it.  They didn't show up.  Enough said.

I guess they were expecting 8000 MU fans to show up to make it a sellout.  If they hadn't sold the game as part of a 1/2 season ticket purchase, maybe we could have helped them with the sellout they wanted. 
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Golden Avalanche on November 29, 2010, 09:24:11 PM
When I make the flight into town to see a game, the UWM game in an ancient building isn't exactly at the top of my list.

+1
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: MU_4_Life on November 29, 2010, 09:44:58 PM
I looked into buying some tickets for the game, I believe you had to buy a 5 game pack of tickets.  You could not just buy tickets for the MU game.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 29, 2010, 09:45:32 PM
Says it all...

attendance at MU 2009......14244
attendance at MU 2008......15168
attendance at MU 2007......18283

attendance at UWM 2010....7120


Yup clearly Marquette's fault for lack of interest and attendance...



UWM's average home basketball attendance.....2883 (+147%)

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/8753820042742b01b8b6be967b4a3893/Awide_Mbkbattlists.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=8753820042742b01b8b6be967b4a3893
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Coleman on November 29, 2010, 09:54:23 PM
I looked into buying some tickets for the game, I believe you had to buy a 5 game pack of tickets.  You could not just buy tickets for the MU game.


You could...but not until VERY recently. And they were $20 a pop...plus a ticketmaster fee. Not worth the drive from Chicago IMHO.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 29, 2010, 10:17:53 PM

You could...but not until VERY recently. And they were $20 a pop...plus a ticketmaster fee. Not worth the drive from Chicago IMHO.

I went to the game, and $20 a pop is cheap for any college basketball game.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: chren21 on November 29, 2010, 10:19:24 PM
I went to the game, and $20 a pop is cheap for any college basketball game.

And no ticketmaster fees when you buy at the MECCA box office.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: RubyWiscy on November 29, 2010, 10:24:11 PM
I bought tickets at the gate. $15 for top row with back against the wall. I should have gone back out and found a scalper.

If UW-M's home attendance average is 2883, they should be extremely happy with the gate. Instead, they continue to complain. There were almost no students. It was really sad.

MU came away with nothing positive from the game. Embarrassed at the final score in a win. Whined at because our fans didn't show. This is just a stupid series for MU to play.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: SalsaMan on November 29, 2010, 10:30:39 PM
MU came away with nothing positive from the game. Embarrassed at the final score in a win. Whined at because our fans didn't show. This is just a stupid series for MU to play.

Concur. We need to turn the page and keep on truckin'
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: HoopsMalone on November 29, 2010, 10:40:23 PM
I have been pretty apathetic about playing this game.  However, I am a convert to cancelling the series.  There really is nothing good about this game at all.  It is no different than playing Bucknell. Not worth the headache. 
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: DavantesInferno on November 29, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
I think that a large part of the lack of Marquette fans had a lot to do with the amount of season ticket holders in the Chicagoland who didn't think shelling out the money to drive out was worth more than watching it at home on espn3d (if they have Comcast).
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: SqueallyDRyan on November 29, 2010, 11:17:23 PM
I actually think it is pretty beneficial to get the road game RPI bonus every few years in Milwaukee.  The attendance was surprising, but that doesn't mean the game was worthless.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: warriors1991 on November 29, 2010, 11:21:15 PM
1)It hurt that this was Thanksgiving weekend; many students were probably still home.

2)I was there, at least half the fans were MU's.

3)UWM's 'student section' is comical. Nobody there. Wide open seats.

4)UWM wanted this game but then made it hard for MU fans to buy tickets. Did they think 8000 of their fans that never come were suddenly coming out of the woodwork? They should have just made tickets available, sold the place out, and at least gotten some of our money for the hassle.

5)There were still tons of empty seats. I wish MU's fans would have shown even better and shown UWM what a fan base really is.

6)I don't care if we play them or not. But a team that has 38 chances to beat us and hasn't pulled it off even once, it's kind of hard to call this a 'series.' More like an exhibition.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Ari Gold on November 29, 2010, 11:28:28 PM
Yep totally my fault.

Went to a bar, ate and hung out with friends. Cost was about the same as the ticket, but I would have been hungry. Never really wanted to go to the game. -Didn't think it'd be close.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: SacWarrior on November 29, 2010, 11:30:24 PM
I'll send my condolences.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Pepperoni_Cannoli on November 29, 2010, 11:47:13 PM
I went to the game, and $20 a pop is cheap for any college basketball game.

$20 is, however, more expensive than my tickets at the Bradley Center.  Our season-ticket holder group of five (who live 80 miles away from Milwaukee) just watched the game on DirectTV.  Everyone threw in 10 bucks and we had pizza and Old Style.  De-lish!
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: brewcity77 on November 30, 2010, 09:19:47 AM
This has me on the verge of joining the converted of telling UW-M to go screw. I like the idea of the RPI bonus, and actually find some value and fun to the in-city rivalry, but blaming us for not selling the place out when they made it virtually impossible to get tickets? They're the ones giving tickets away to their own students and still can't fill the building? And then they have the gall to say it's our fault when they made tickets only available for people that bought five-game packs? What Marquette fan wants a five-game pack to UW-M, aside from mupanther?

It's funny. They get the series back, they get a game in their own building, and they're psyched because they expect to finally sell out The Cell. But then they worry that MU fans will take over the building, so they make it difficult and expensive for us to get tickets, which keeps a large portion of MU fans away. By the time they realize their sell-out plan isn't going to work, it's too late to draw in the Marquette fans that already decided not to come when they took measures to keep us from coming.

Morons. You know what, I am at the "screw UW-M" point. I don't think we should continue the series. Not because I don't see value, but just to spite them. Let's see them draw 7,000 for anyone but us.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Brewtown Andy on November 30, 2010, 09:24:12 AM
If you want to blame Marquette, blame the athletic department for doing no advertising for the game because there was no financial benefit to do so.

Something that could have boosted ticket sales would have been throwing all the available tickets onto Ticketmaster on the first day of sales. That's the day I bought my tickets and I was halfway up in the 400s.  A week later, you could buy a whole row of seats in the 300s. Tuesday before the game you could buy seats in the 200s in the UWM student section.

Are there MU fans who found out tickets were on sale and didn't want to sit in the rafters? Probably.

And for all the talk of MU ducking UWM, isn't putting this game on Thanksgiving Saturday UWM ducking the MU student population?
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: GGGG on November 30, 2010, 10:01:47 AM
This has me on the verge of joining the converted of telling UW-M to go screw. I like the idea of the RPI bonus, and actually find some value and fun to the in-city rivalry, but blaming us for not selling the place out when they made it virtually impossible to get tickets? They're the ones giving tickets away to their own students and still can't fill the building? And then they have the gall to say it's our fault when they made tickets only available for people that bought five-game packs? What Marquette fan wants a five-game pack to UW-M, aside from mupanther?

It's funny. They get the series back, they get a game in their own building, and they're psyched because they expect to finally sell out The Cell. But then they worry that MU fans will take over the building, so they make it difficult and expensive for us to get tickets, which keeps a large portion of MU fans away. By the time they realize their sell-out plan isn't going to work, it's too late to draw in the Marquette fans that already decided not to come when they took measures to keep us from coming.

Morons. You know what, I am at the "screw UW-M" point. I don't think we should continue the series. Not because I don't see value, but just to spite them. Let's see them draw 7,000 for anyone but us.


+1,000,000

What UWM fans don't seem to realize is that we view a game with UWM on just a little higher level than a game with the likes of Longwood.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on November 30, 2010, 10:33:27 AM
Screw them.  You should be happy that your amateur athletic department after finding every way possible to try to keep Marquette fans out (40 ticket minimum group packages in the 400 levels at $20 a person come to mind, little to no promotion otherwise) got 7000 people in your building. 

There's a reason I didn't give your athletic department the pleasure of having my $20-$25 for a ticket, and it's because like many Marquette fans, I don't want this series to continue because WE GAIN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM IT WIN OR LOSE. 
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: TallTitan34 on November 30, 2010, 10:38:52 AM
In all fairness to UWM, this is just one UWM fans opinion who happens to have a blog.  I'm guessing their actual athletic department is quite thankful for the MU fans bringing in some money for a change.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on November 30, 2010, 11:04:36 AM
What does more damage to a program/athletic department?

Missing out on the revenue of additional tickets being sold to the road team

or

Selling out, but only to have the road team fill the majority of the building and somewhat demoralize your own team/fanbase.


I'm not saying this to be a d*ck to UWM, I just think this is the real dilemma they were faced with.

I think they could have sold a lot more tickets if they had used some promotional tools that appealed to MU fans. I know that would have been painful for them as an athletic department, but they could have generated another 2K in ticket sales.


PS Does anybody know who determined the date for the game? Is the home team the primary driver?
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 30, 2010, 12:06:43 PM
In all fairness to UWM, this is just one UWM fans opinion who happens to have a blog.  I'm guessing their actual athletic department is quite thankful for the MU fans bringing in some money for a change.

One blog post, but an opinion shared by many UW-M fans (is that an oxymoron)?

Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: TallTitan34 on November 30, 2010, 12:45:27 PM
One blog post, but an opinion shared by many UW-M fans (is that an oxymoron)?

Yeah, it's sad how many of them do think this.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 30, 2010, 01:00:49 PM
I have yet to meet a UW-Shorewood fan in my years living in Milwaukee.

I'll chalk this up as a "who cares" situation.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Da 'Lanche on November 30, 2010, 01:28:22 PM
I'm for ridding ourselves of this non-rivalvry no-win situation for MU.   I have a much better idea....move the entire UW-brand of basketball into a preseason tournament in Madison....far far away from Marquette.   You could thrill the Kohl hole faithful with a night of UW-GB vs. UW-Milwaukee and UW-Madison vs. the favorite in the D-3 level like UW-Stevens Point.   Imagine the raucous crowd watching a thrilling 46-23 UW drubbing of UW-Stevens Point...followed by the roar of 200 student fans watching the Phoenix and Panthers do battle for the privilege of being part of a 54-45 championship game in front of a packed house of non-student fans clamoring over a true college "state champion."

Let em' have it....nobody outside of Wisconsin cares.....give us preseason tournaments, home and home with some legitimate D-1 schools so we can prepare for the Big East.

I'm new....some of this should probably be in teal.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 30, 2010, 01:50:34 PM
I'm new....some of this should probably be in teal.

New or not - teal is for those that are bad at sarcasm. 
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: monkeyman34 on November 30, 2010, 02:06:38 PM
I don't know why you would teal any of that.  It all sounds legit to me.  And no, I'm not using teal.



I'm for ridding ourselves of this non-rivalvry no-win situation for MU.   I have a much better idea....move the entire UW-brand of basketball into a preseason tournament in Madison....far far away from Marquette.   You could thrill the Kohl hole faithful with a night of UW-GB vs. UW-Milwaukee and UW-Madison vs. the favorite in the D-3 level like UW-Stevens Point.   Imagine the raucous crowd watching a thrilling 46-23 UW drubbing of UW-Stevens Point...followed by the roar of 200 student fans watching the Phoenix and Panthers do battle for the privilege of being part of a 54-45 championship game in front of a packed house of non-student fans clamoring over a true college "state champion."

Let em' have it....nobody outside of Wisconsin cares.....give us preseason tournaments, home and home with some legitimate D-1 schools so we can prepare for the Big East.

I'm new....some of this should probably be in teal.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
It's not UW-M, it's Milwaukee, UWM or UW-Milwaukee
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 02:17:06 PM
I looked into buying some tickets for the game, I believe you had to buy a 5 game pack of tickets.  You could not just buy tickets for the MU game.
Well I guess you can't read at all or you must not be on this board that much. >:(

1st) It was four game pack for $ 40

2nd) Single game tickets went on sale on Nov.8 for the game. I posted it and others on here time and time again.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: willie warrior on November 30, 2010, 02:21:44 PM
No way to play future games in the Arena. Why? Why? Why?

Bradley Center or none.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 02:25:29 PM
And then they have the gall to say it's our fault when they made tickets only available for people that bought five-game packs? What Marquette fan wants a five-game pack to UW-M, aside from mupanther?

 but us.
1) It's UWM not UW-M.

2) I have full season-tickets to both.

3) It's a four game packs for $40.
 I don't get how that is any different than Marquette selling 5 game packs for the Badgers game if you want a MU-UW ticket?
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 30, 2010, 02:28:19 PM
3) It's a four game packs for $40.
 I don't get how that is any different than Marquette selling 5 game packs for the Badgers game if you want a MU-UW ticket?

Because the MU v UW-Madison sells out.

UW-M should try to fill the Mecca up halfway before they try to start making money on schemes.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 02:36:37 PM
Because the MU v UW-Madison sells out.

UWM should try to fill the Mecca up halfway before they try to start making money on schemes.
UWM did put single game tickets out on Nov.8. What is so wrong with UWM trying to make money? So people had three weeks to buy tickets.

A scheme is four games for $40, Come'on!
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: chren21 on November 30, 2010, 02:36:49 PM
Because the MU v UW-Madison sells out.

Short and to the point... Love it.  Just a minor, insignificant detail...  
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
Short and to the point... Love it.  Just a minor, insignificant detail...  
Sell the four packs first, than the singles. I think the UWM ticket office thought the game would sell out.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 30, 2010, 02:44:06 PM
I'm thinking UWM thought MU would sell the game out.

That's the truth.  They overestimated demand for Horizon League bball.  I really don't think there's that much demand for this game.  Not a lot of single game seats were sold for this game the past few years at the BC.  I'm not sure why UW-M's athletic department thought it would be different at the Mecca.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 02:55:09 PM
That's the truth.  They overestimated demand for Horizon League bball.  I really don't think there's that much demand for this game.  Not a lot of single game seats were sold for this game the past few years at the BC.  I'm not sure why UW-M's athletic department thought it would be different at the Mecca.
The Wisconsin Badgers-Milwaukee Panthers game in 2006 was on a Wednesday and had over 10,000 with single game tickets not going on sale untill 2 days before the game. That's why I think they thought it would be a sell-out.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: NCAARules on November 30, 2010, 02:55:17 PM
I'm thinking UWM thought MU would sell the game out.
Clearly they overestimated their position.

Segue - This is one of the things that pissed me off about this game - hearing the broadcast and the student-athlete comments from the Milwaukee Normal side. Everything was spun toward how it was big deal for them to get this home game. That they had somehow arrived, or were getting respect. I just don't feel like that was ever the reason for renewing the series - it was about what was good for basketball in Milwaukee. For Milwaukee State Teachers College to try and make hay and reputation points off that is weak, in my opinion.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: brewcity77 on November 30, 2010, 03:02:00 PM
1) It's UWM not UW-M.

2) I have full season-tickets to both.

3) It's a four game packs for $40.
 I don't get how that is any different than Marquette selling 5 game packs for the Badgers game if you want a MU-UW ticket?

Before I address this, when I singled you out, I meant no offense. With a username like mupanther, it does without saying that you have an interest in both Marquette and UW-M. I always guessed that you attended both schools. No slight intended, just specifying that most Marquette fans wouldn't have an interest in a five-game (or four, for that matter) pack to UW-M games. Now...on to those points...

1) Not according to the US Cellular Arena or the UW-M Media Department. We covered this the other day.

(http://uscellulararena.org/media/image_attachments/03/823-uwm201011425x100.jpg)

You may prefer UWM or Milwaukee, but the university itself and the venue it is affiliated with seems to prefer UW-M.

2) Yeah, that's why I mentioned you as someone who would be interested in both teams, covered that above.

3) As mentioned by Ska, we sell out. Some fans buy the five-pack for the Bucky game, but they still go to the other games as well. If Badger fans want to buy the five-pack for that game, they can feel free. If they don't, Marquette fans will buy them and use all the tickets. It's a lot easier to justify the sale in a package when there is a demand for the individual seats. UW-M simply doesn't generate the demand for their games that Marquette does.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 30, 2010, 03:07:19 PM
never-mind - mentioned above...
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: BrewCity83 on November 30, 2010, 03:13:28 PM
That's why I think they thought it would be a sell-out.

It shoulda been a sellout...I think it's pretty pathetic that a home game that UW-M has been clamoring for for decades doesn't come close to selling out, when they are giving away free tickets to students, and the student enrollment is, what, 30,000?  My guess is that most of the UW-M'ers stayed away because they expected to get their asses handed to them by MU and wanted to spare themselves the embarrassment.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: kryza on November 30, 2010, 03:15:27 PM
Quote
It's UWM not UW-M.

It's all three. UWM, UW-M, Milwaukee. They use UWM all over their academic website http://uwm.edu and seem to use UW-M for sporting events.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 03:22:41 PM
Brew City 77-I hear your point that MU fans don't want to buy Panther 4 packs. What's wrong with just seeing a college basketball game? I get it that some do and some don't. Like I said it worked in 2006 with the Badger game.

I didn't go to MU or UWM, my wife and I just have full-season tickets to both and never miss a game.  ;)

I see the none sell out Saturday, as everyones fault Marquette fans and UWM fans and the people who live in Milwaukee that are not a fan of MU or UWM, but says I like all 4 of the state schools.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: GGGG on November 30, 2010, 03:30:40 PM
Brew City 77-I hear your point that MU fans don't want to buy Panther 4 packs. What's wrong with just seeing a college basketball game? I get it that some do and some don't. Like I said it worked in 2006 with the Badger game.


Honestly, I think you are the exception rather than the rule.  I don't think the general public is going to buy a 4 pack of tickets to get the ticket they want, and be stuck with three games they don't want to see.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 03:45:05 PM

Honestly, I think you are the exception rather than the rule.  I don't think the general public is going to buy a 4 pack of tickets to get the ticket they want, and be stuck with three games they don't want to see.
Maybe or maybe not. How can you go wrong with 4 games for $40, with 2 of the 4 games in one of the plans having MU and Butler.
 
The NCAA toury in Milwaukee is a sell-out. What do we really care about those 8 teams?

I know many who got the Panther 4 Pack and really want to see Butler-UWM and Northern Iowa-UWM because they just like the game of college basketball.

I've had MU season tickets for years. In 2006 I bought a UWM mini plan to get the tickets for the Wisconsin-UWM game and I liked it so much, my wife and I bought season-tickets for UWM as well every year since that time. ( this would be an example of the exception of the rule  :)
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: MUfan12 on November 30, 2010, 03:51:15 PM
Seriously. Who gives a flying f*ck about a hyphen? Is UWM that pathetic that its fans are offended by a hyphen?

Let's see- Your fans and students are terminally apathetic. You draw 2500 on an average night. Your coach has been nothing but mediocre since Pearl's players left. You have no chancellor. You have no AD.

But those GD Marquette fans mocking by hyphen. The outrage!
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 03:52:51 PM
What your tone, if you are talking to me.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: MUfan12 on November 30, 2010, 04:21:15 PM
What your tone, if you are talking to me.

Frankly I'm tired of seeing this great hyphen outrage here, or the JS, the UWM board, or anywhere else the game is being discussed. It seems like a lot of the conversation ends up degenerating into hyphenhood.

Of all the many issues facing UWM's athletic department, punctuation seems to set their fans off. No wonder they are mired in apathy and mediocrity.

My suggestion for Panther Nation- Leave punctuation for English class and get your house in order. Maybe then people will take this series seriously.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Jay Bee on November 30, 2010, 04:27:48 PM
Maybe or maybe not. How can you go wrong with 4 games for $40, with 2 of the 4 games in one of the plans having MU and Butler.
 
The NCAA toury in Milwaukee is a sell-out. What do we really care about those 8 teams?

Well, if you don't give a crap about 2 or 3 of the 4 games, you can go wrong. 

The NCAA tourney is postseason.  It's good basketball with fans from each team represented at the games (and bars before and after the games).  I'm not sure I'd call UW-M good basketball.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: bilsu on November 30, 2010, 04:30:17 PM
The four pack did not make sense to me. I live in Sheboygan and would not drive down to see the other games I would be forced to buy. So I did not buy or attend the game.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: BrewCity83 on November 30, 2010, 04:35:03 PM
Hey, I went to the game and had a good time.  It was fun to watch a game in the old MECCA that Al and the Warriors made famous.  I was preparing to buy tickets on the street or at the gate but a friend scored some free ones through a connection at UW-M.   
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 04:41:38 PM
Well, if you don't give a crap about 2 or 3 of the 4 games, you can go wrong.  

The NCAA tourney is postseason.  It's good basketball with fans from each team represented at the games (and bars before and after the games).  I'm not sure I'd call UW-M good basketball.
I never said UWM basketball was good or bad basketball. If you don't want to go that is your choice. They do have bars before and after UWM games.  ;)

Many want to see the big 1 seed versus 16 matchup in the toury. That's good basketball?
Than you don't give a grap, I don't care what you do! Buy the single game tickets than, I don't see what the problem is. ::)
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 04:42:55 PM
Frankly I'm tired of seeing this great hyphen outrage here, or the JS, the UWM board, or anywhere else the game is being discussed. It seems like a lot of the conversation ends up degenerating into hyphenhood.

Of all the many issues facing UWM's athletic department, punctuation seems to set their fans off. No wonder they are mired in apathy and mediocrity.

My suggestion for Panther Nation- Leave punctuation for English class and get your house in order. Maybe then people will take this series seriously.
They do go overboard, it's like the Warriors nickname.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: jaybilaswho? on November 30, 2010, 04:45:21 PM
I have to say that I am very much so enjoying this whole thread.

UWM Basketball < Marquette
UW-M Basketball < Marquette
UW-Milwaukee Basketball < Marquette

38-0
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on November 30, 2010, 04:48:39 PM
UWM did put single game tickets out on Nov.8. What is so wrong with UWM trying to make money? So people had three weeks to buy tickets.

A scheme is four games for $40, Come'on!

There's nothing wrong with UWM trying to make money.

The problem is, not that many people purchased tickets, which led to a 1/3 empty building.

The 3K remaining seats might have sold if UWM took a different marketing approach. Obviously MU can draw in Milwaukee, so there is a market for MU hoops. The UWM athletic department missed on attracting them.

Maybe that was on purpose. Maybe they didn't want the building to be 3/4 MU fans.

Also, do we know who picked the date? A date when students were in school could have added 500-1000 MU student fans. But, again, maybe UWM didn't want that.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 04:55:52 PM
There's nothing wrong with UWM trying to make money.

The problem is, not that many people purchased tickets, which led to a 1/3 empty building.

The 3K remaining seats might have sold if UWM took a different marketing approach. Obviously MU can draw in Milwaukee, so there is a market for MU hoops. The UWM athletic department missed on attracting them.

Maybe that was on purpose. Maybe they didn't want the building to be 3/4 MU fans.

Also, do we know who picked the date? A date when students were in school could have added 500-1000 MU student fans. But, again, maybe UWM didn't want that.
You bring up great points!
 I think the date worked well with both schools. I don't know if you saw what I said before, in 2006 UW-UWM game had over 10,000 at the Cell with UWM not putting single game tickets out untill two days before the game. I'm sure UWM thought the game would've sold-out with MU.

Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: kryza on November 30, 2010, 05:05:02 PM
Brew City 77-I hear your point that MU fans don't want to buy Panther 4 packs. What's wrong with just seeing a college basketball game? I get it that some do and some don't. Like I said it worked in 2006 with the Badger game.

I didn't go to MU or UWM, my wife and I just have full-season tickets to both and never miss a game.  ;)

I see the none sell out Saturday, as everyones fault Marquette fans and UWM fans and the people who live in Milwaukee that are not a fan of MU or UWM, but says I like all 4 of the state schools.

Badgers played at the Cell during the 2008 season. Maybe your facts are wrong?
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on November 30, 2010, 05:09:18 PM
You bring up great points!
 I think the date worked well with both schools. I don't know if you saw what I said before, in 2006 UW-UWM has over 10,000 at the Cell with UWM not putting single game tickets out untill two days before the game. I'm sure UWM thought the game would've sold-out with MU.

You seem to like the UW comparison, but it's not apples to apples, and if the UWM or UW-M or Milwaukee athletic department thought that it was, they are not that smart.

UW GAME
- UW is the default school for people to be fans of in the state of Wisconsin. I hate to admit that, but it's true.
- UW has a much larger alumni population in the Milwaukee area than MU.
- UW only comes to Milwaukee once ever 5 years (approx.), so UW fans in the Milwaukee area are definitely going to be excited to see them play in their own backyard.
- UW has a strong alumni association in Milwaukee, and I'm willing to bet they purchased a lot of the tickets to the UWM game from group sales. I don't know this for a fact, but I would put a large wager on this.

MU GAME
- Season ticket holders see MU 19 times this year. Non-season ticket holders can buy single game tickets to most games
- MU does not have the large alumni base in Milwaukee like UW
- The game was on Thanksgiving weekend
- MU alumni association was not purchasing group tickets and promoting this game for MU alumni

It's not apples to apples, and I'm not surprised it didn't sell out.

We all talked about this a before the game ever occurred.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21242.0;all

* Just re-read my post, I'm not trying to pick on you, specifically Panther, just trying to de-bunk "UW sells out" comparison. *
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 05:15:26 PM
I agree with you! mu2002

It must not be apples versus apples.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 05:17:39 PM
Badgers played at the Cell during the 2008 season. Maybe your facts are wrong?
It was 12/12/07
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 30, 2010, 05:28:15 PM
You seem to like the UW comparison, but it's not apples to apples, and if the UWM or UW-M or Milwaukee athletic department thought that it was, they are not that smart.

UW GAME
- UW only comes to Milwaukee once ever 5 years (approx.), so UW fans in the Milwaukee area are definitely going to be excited to see them play in their own backyard.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but UW comes to Milwaukee every other year to play Marquette.  That minor issue doesn't change the fact that you're absolutely correct with respect to why UW-UWM would sell out, but not Marquette-UWM.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: kryza on November 30, 2010, 05:39:57 PM
It was 12/12/07

AKA the 2008 season
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 06:03:19 PM
AKA the 2008 season
sure  ::)
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ZiggysChestHair on November 30, 2010, 06:33:22 PM
Well I guess you can't read at all or you must not be on this board that much. >:(

1st) It was four game pack for $ 40

2nd) Single game tickets went on sale on Nov.8 for the game. I posted it and others on here time and time again.

Prior to Nov 8th,  I had already looked at ticketmaster and seen I couldn't get tickets.  I assumed it was because they had sold the majority to UWM fans or through the the multi pack deals.  As a result, we got tickets through a poster with extra tickets on the board.  As others have noted, UWM did a terrible job marketing this game to the MU fans who would have sold it out. 

Also, a few of our UWM interns at work received an email the week prior to the game that in addition to their 1 FREE ticket to the game, any student could receive a 2nd FREE ticket .  None of our UWM interns took up this offer, and evidently few other students did either.

If UWM cared, they would have marketed this game first to MU fans instead of failing to give the tickets away for free to their own (lack of) fans.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: brewcity77 on November 30, 2010, 07:07:07 PM
Many want to see the big 1 seed versus 16 matchup in the toury. That's good basketball?

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, but the NCAA tournament gives you four games on the first day, of which at least 2-3 should be competitive. All of the teams in the field are conference winners or the best at-large teams in the country, so in theory all of the teams involved play good basketball.

But in terms of apples to apples comparisons, you can't possibly think individual games, even UW-M v Butler or Northern Iowa, are on the same level as a full day of hoops in the NCAA Tourney.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 07:30:55 PM
Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, but the NCAA tournament gives you four games on the first day, of which at least 2-3 should be competitive. All of the teams in the field are conference winners or the best at-large teams in the country, so in theory all of the teams involved play good basketball.

But in terms of apples to apples comparisons, you can't possibly think individual games, even UW-M v Butler or Northern Iowa, are on the same level as a full day of hoops in the NCAA Tourney.
As a UWM fan, I care more about a Panther game than an NCAA toury game.
That is really not what you are asking me. A college basketball fan with no rooting interest, 100% I agree with you, would say NCAA toury over a Panther game.

I guess I more speaking about those fans I read on JsOnline and who live in the area that say "I'm a fan of all 4 D-1 schools in the state of Wisconsin. Those people.

I laugh when those people say we should have a team toury at Miller Park. It's a must see, it would sell-out, it's great for the state and yet they don't go to any Marquette and/or UWM games.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 07:37:30 PM
Prior to Nov 8th,  I had already looked at ticketmaster and seen I couldn't get tickets.  I assumed it was because they had sold the majority to UWM fans or through the the multi pack deals.  As a result, we got tickets through a poster with extra tickets on the board.  As others have noted, UWM did a terrible job marketing this game to the MU fans who would have sold it out. 

Also, a few of our UWM interns at work received an email the week prior to the game that in addition to their 1 FREE ticket to the game, any student could receive a 2nd FREE ticket .  None of our UWM interns took up this offer, and evidently few other students did either.

If UWM cared, they would have marketed this game first to MU fans instead of failing to give the tickets away for free to their own (lack of) fans.
How would they market to MU fans?

They had billboards out for the game and TV adds for Panther Basketball. I don't see MU market any better or different than UWM.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: brewcity77 on November 30, 2010, 07:42:48 PM
I guess I more speaking about those fans I read on JsOnline and who live in the area that say "I'm a fan of all 4 D-1 schools in the state of Wisconsin. Those people.

I think that there are basically two kinds of college basketball fans in Wisconsin. Die-hards that either are or want to be season ticket holders, and bandwagon jumpers that just support any local team.

There's nothing wrong with either one, but the die-hards are generally going to just support one team. As an MU grad, I wouldn't have any real interest in going to a regular UW-M, Green Bay, or Bucky game. If someone handed me tickets and it looked like a decent matchup, I might take the time to go, but I certainly wouldn't rearrange plans. And I wouldn't want to buy tickets for four games if there was only one I wanted to go to.

Then you have the bandwagon jumper. Again, they like all the home teams and will support any of them that have success, but don't have a strong, vested interest. If a team is up, they'll support them, but if they're down, they probably won't take much notice. Certainly the Packers are the exception, but I think that most Wisconsin fans are like that for all the teams. Not many people bother with the Bucks, Brewers, or any of the college basketball teams when they aren't making some sort of run.

How many Milwaukeeans that were cheering on UW-M in the Sweet 16 could tell you what the team's record was last year? Or could tell you the last time they went to the postseason, or even which team ended UW-M's season last year? I would be virtually none of them. And you won't sell season tickets, or even four-packs, to most fans like that. They'll watch the team if they're on, maybe get tickets to a game or two if they're winning, but just because they say they're a fan of all four D-1 schools doesn't mean they're enough of a fan to actually vest any money in the team.

Sure, the fans you are looking for exist, you are proof of that. But I would say that when it comes to Wisconsin college basketball fans, 25% are the die-hards, 60% are the bandwagon-jumpers, 14% are fairweather fans of whichever team is the national flavor of the month (Duke, UNC, etc), and 1% simply love the game enough to be a season-ticket holder for more than one team, like yourself. I'm sure those aren't completely accurate figures, but I think your hope is that the 60% are like you, when the truth is, they simply aren't.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 07:53:41 PM
Wow, that was well said.

Your right! I wish more fans would come out to see college basketball in the state of Wisconsin, not just on the bandwagon in March. I do know people who have tickets to MU, UWM and even the Bucks but like you said we are only the 1%.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 30, 2010, 08:01:19 PM
Maybe or maybe not. How can you go wrong with 4 games for $40, with 2 of the 4 games in one of the plans having MU and Butler.
 

A lot of people don't want to see 3 games in which their team doesn't play.  The NCAA is a sellout every 4 years in Milwaukee, but let's look at a few reasons why

1) It's every 4 years or so
2) A good chunk of the tickets are sold to Marquette season ticket holders first
3) These are the cream of the crop teams coming to play....not UWM vs Detroit (no disrespect intended)
4) The 1 vs 16 seed may not be good basketball, but you do get to see one of the top schools in the country and possibly the #1 school.  There have been more than a few 1 vs 16 games that have been entertaining as well.


Can we also all take a step back and thing about one important note here.  This contract was signed almost four years ago.  The game on Saturday night was known about FOUR YEARS AGO.  FOUR YEARS.  This is not a game that was put on the schedule last week.  FOUR YEARS to prepare for this game that was wanted for what seemed like forever and 7,000 fans showed up.   FOUR YEARS = 7,000 fans.   
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 30, 2010, 08:09:23 PM
Seriously. Who gives a flying f*ck about a hyphen? Is UWM that pathetic that its fans are offended by a hyphen?

Let's see- Your fans and students are terminally apathetic. You draw 2500 on an average night. Your coach has been nothing but mediocre since Pearl's players left. You have no chancellor. You have no AD.

But those GD Marquette fans mocking by hyphen. The outrage!

LOL.  No kidding.  Good Lord.  I used it on purpose after I saw how much it grates them.  Christ, you would think it was the end of the world.  The funny part, after reading their board today, apparently the Journal Sentinel, their own arena and other places also use the hyphen.  Maybe they might want to get that fixed first. 

And God almighty, if I read Francis say again how this series should be renewed at 2 games - to 1 and it's about to turn into Cincinnati vis a vis Xavier I'm going to puke.  Francis must be over washing Cottingham's car every day begging for this (he's pals with Cottingham....that's what makes me nervous, a Badger in control of our athletic program with a Panther\Badger who absolutely craps on MU every chance he gets whispering sweet nothings to him). 

2 for 1 is a joke on every level.  3 for 1 is a joke.  Takes away MU's flexibility to schedule, forces a game that clearly the public doesn't give a rip about and strengthens another DI program in your own town....none of these are Pro-Marquette.  Why even think about it. 
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on November 30, 2010, 08:46:48 PM
You are a day late and a dollar short! I didn't ask for your 2 cents. Move on pretty boy.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: WildBill77RT on November 30, 2010, 09:42:19 PM
What I want to know is when Marquette is going to stop avoiding playing the Wisconsin Lutheran Warriors?  I think Buzz and WLC coach Skip Noon can arrange a 2-and-1 or a 3-and-1.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ZiggysChestHair on November 30, 2010, 10:00:46 PM
How would they market to MU fans?

They had billboards out for the game and TV adds for Panther Basketball. I don't see MU market any better or different than UWM.

I didn't really notice the billboards or TV adds.  I guess it is easily missed in the world of DVR.  How to market to MU Fans?  
   1.  Open up all seating on ticketmaster.com before Nov 8th so MU fans can purchase tickets
   2.  Pay for advertising at a Marquette game letting MU fans know tickets are still available
   3.  Someone from UWM's ticket department could post on these message boards knowing MUScoop and Dodds have MU fans out there
   4.  Offer MU Students a deal on tickets.  Have MU email students about the game.  

I understand it is difficult to get students to attend over a Thanksgiving break, but if I recall correctly, Marquette has gone as far as offering shuttles from Chicago and/or northern Wisconsin to get students to attend a big game or two over Xmas break.  That is one way Marquette has marketed better/different.  However, the biggest difference is Marquette doesn't need to market any better to sell out their biggest home game of the year.  It was pathetic UWM could not get a bigger crowd to attend.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 30, 2010, 10:03:40 PM
They do go overboard, it's like the Warriors nickname.


To compare the two situations elicits a major facepalm
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 30, 2010, 10:07:06 PM
You are a day late and a dollar short! I didn't ask for your 2 cents. Move on pretty boy.


When you post to a public board you ask for everyone's opinions!

If you want private answers, then send emails or a PM.

Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 08:51:39 AM
I didn't really notice the billboards or TV adds.  I guess it is easily missed in the world of DVR.  How to market to MU Fans?  
   1.  Open up all seating on ticketmaster.com before Nov 8th so MU fans can purchase tickets
   2.  Pay for advertising at a Marquette game letting MU fans know tickets are still available
   3.  Someone from UWM's ticket department could post on these message boards knowing MUScoop and Dodds have MU fans out there
   4.  Offer MU Students a deal on tickets.  Have MU email students about the game.  

I understand it is difficult to get students to attend over a Thanksgiving break, but if I recall correctly, Marquette has gone as far as offering shuttles from Chicago and/or northern Wisconsin to get students to attend a big game or two over Xmas break.  That is one way Marquette has marketed better/different.  However, the biggest difference is Marquette doesn't need to market any better to sell out their biggest home game of the year.  It was pathetic UWM could not get a bigger crowd to attend.

You couldn't be more wrong. Seats went on sale on Nov. 8 for single game tickets. You want UWM to do advertising at the BC?  I put out lots of info and links on this site for tickets.

Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 08:52:36 AM

When you post to a public board you ask for everyone's opinions!

If you want private answers, then send emails or a PM.


I didn't ask for yours, and the stuff you are on we covered.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Skatastrophy on December 01, 2010, 08:57:09 AM
I didn't ask for yours, and the stuff you are on we covered.

You're getting too defensive.

ZiggysChestHair was spot-on and Chicos is contributing nicely to the thread as well. 

Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: MUfan12 on December 01, 2010, 09:02:26 AM
You couldn't be more wrong. Seats went on sale on Nov. 8 for single game tickets. You want UWM to do advertising at the BC?

First of all, with a game around Thanksgiving, putting the tickets out for general sale earlier is smarter. That way people can make travel plans around the game if need be. If they thought they couldn't get tickets w/o a 4 pack when making plans, that could explain part of it.

I agree with you as far as advertising at the BC. Not realistic.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 09:14:55 AM
First of all, with a game around Thanksgiving, putting the tickets out for general sale earlier is smarter. That way people can make travel plans around the game if need be. If they thought they couldn't get tickets w/o a 4 pack when making plans, that could explain part of it.

I agree with you as far as advertising at the BC. Not realistic.

I agree with what you said, but UWM did put the single game tickets out there 3 weeks before the game, unlike the 2 days before for the UW-UWM game in 2007. It did say on the UWM site that single game tickets would come out to the public in November for the MU-UWM game.

Fact is MU fans doesn't view this as a big game, plus alot of the old season-ticket holders in the lower bowl are not smart enough to think of getting tickets to the game.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: BrewCity83 on December 01, 2010, 09:33:04 AM
Fact is MU fans doesn't view this as a big game, plus alot of the old season-ticket holders in the lower bowl are not smart enough to think of getting tickets to the game.

Not smart enough?
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: MerrittsMustache on December 01, 2010, 09:34:39 AM
Marquette fans simply aren't all that interested in the UWM game. In fact, Bradley Center attendance numbers will show you that MU fans basically view it as just another non-conference cupcake.

Attendance at MU Home Games
2009 UWM: 14,244
2010 PVAMU: 14,046
2010 SDakota: 14,117
2010 UWGB: 13,968
2010 Bucknell: 13,738

Whether or not the series continues, I don't really care. I just don't want to hear about what a great rivalry it is or how's it a big draw when, truthfully, MU fans view it the same way they view a game against Prairie View A&M.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Brewtown Andy on December 01, 2010, 09:58:40 AM
Not smart enough?

Not aware enough, probably.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: 2TimeWarrior on December 01, 2010, 10:02:35 AM
unlike the 2 days before for the UW-UWM game in 2007

You keep comparing this game to the UW - Madison game. Keep in mind that UW Madison has the "Great Unwashed" as a fan base in Wisconsin.  In other words, most people in Wisconsin are de facto Becky fans and will take the opportunity to see them plan in Milwaukee as opposed to driving to the people's republic. Unfortunately, MU largely has only its alums as a fan base.  It really isn't the same...not to mention the fact that Madison is 4 times as large as MU so it has a much larger alumni and student base to draw from.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on December 01, 2010, 10:10:26 AM
I agree with what you said, but UWM did put the single game tickets out there 3 weeks before the game, unlike the 2 days before for the UW-UWM game in 2007. It did say on the UWM site that single game tickets would come out to the public in November for the MU-UWM game.

Fact is MU fans doesn't view this as a big game, plus alot of the old season-ticket holders in the lower bowl are not smart enough to think of getting tickets to the game.

Neither to UWM fans.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ZiggysChestHair on December 01, 2010, 10:11:00 AM
You couldn't be more wrong. Seats went on sale on Nov. 8 for single game tickets. You want UWM to do advertising at the BC?  I put out lots of info and links on this site for tickets.



Yes, I understand tickets went on sale Nov 8th.  However, if you read my post, I said you should have put tickets on ticketmaster BEFORE Nov 8th.  The schedule was announced long before Nov 8th.  What was the benefit of waiting until Nov 8th?

Marquette/BC sells advertising all the time.  I am sure they would love to take money from UWM to advertise ticket availability in a quick blurb on the scoreboard at some point during the game.  Unlike UWM, we do not get state money to fund our athletics.  Revenue from advertising and fans in the seats help support the program.  So, why was advertising at the BC not an option for UWM?

Obviously your strategy to attract spectators did not work.  The attendance was sad.  While I understand why your own fans do not go to your own games even when tickets are FREE, you appear unwilling to accept any accountability on behalf of UWM doing a poor job to attract other fans.  Your strategy did not work, yet you are unwilling to change.  You have no chance, and yet you think it is the Marquette fans that are not smart enough?.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 01, 2010, 10:27:51 AM
I agree with all of your ideas Chest Hair, except the advertising at the BC.  I don't know if one school would advertise another school, but all of your other ideas would work.

I also believe UWM could have scheduled the game NOT during a holiday weekend to draw more fans. 
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: MerrittsMustache on December 01, 2010, 10:28:12 AM
Marquette/BC sells advertising all the time.  I am sure they would love to take money from UWM to advertise ticket availability in a quick blurb on the scoreboard at some point during the game.  Unlike UWM, we do not get state money to fund our athletics.  Revenue from advertising and fans in the seats help support the program.  So, why was advertising at the BC not an option for UWM?

IMO, it's a matter of pride. Advertising to the opposing team's fans would be an embarassment to your program and its fans. How would you feel if MU ticket sales were slow so MU bought ad space at other team's arenas in an attempt to get fans to come see their team play Marquette?
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 10:29:29 AM
You keep comparing this game to the UW - Madison game. Keep in mind that UW Madison has the "Great Unwashed" as a fan base in Wisconsin.  In other words, most people in Wisconsin are de facto Becky fans and will take the opportunity to see them plan in Milwaukee as opposed to driving to the people's republic. Unfortunately, MU largely has only its alums as a fan base.  It really isn't the same...not to mention the fact that Madison is 4 times as large as MU so it has a much larger alumni and student base to draw from.
Sorry the facts are the facts in when they sold tickets for the game.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 10:35:05 AM
Yes, I understand tickets went on sale Nov 8th.  However, if you read my post, I said you should have put tickets on ticketmaster BEFORE Nov 8th.  The schedule was announced long before Nov 8th.  What was the benefit of waiting until Nov 8th?

Marquette/BC sells advertising all the time.  I am sure they would love to take money from UWM to advertise ticket availability in a quick blurb on the scoreboard at some point during the game.  Unlike UWM, we do not get state money to fund our athletics.  Revenue from advertising and fans in the seats help support the program.  So, why was advertising at the BC not an option for UWM?

Obviously your strategy to attract spectators did not work.  The attendance was sad.  While I understand why your own fans do not go to your own games even when tickets are FREE, you appear unwilling to accept any accountability on behalf of UWM doing a poor job to attract other fans.  Your strategy did not work, yet you are unwilling to change.  You have no chance, and yet you think it is the Marquette fans that are not smart enough?.
Why in hell do you single me out? I don't work for UWM. Yet, you don't include me as MU fans.

Like I said before, they were trying to sell 4 packs, that why they waited untill Nov.8
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on December 01, 2010, 10:36:28 AM
Sorry the facts are the facts in when they sold tickets for the game.

The facts on ticket timing don't tell the whole story.

See my post above in this thread.

UW is a totally different animal.

If UW-M/UWM/Milwaukee's athletic department thought that this game would sell like UW, they don't know the marketplace very well.

Also, I'd like to point out that maybe the date, the ticket sales, etc. were somewhat strategic as the game probably didn't draw as many MU fans as it could have. Maybe UWM didn't want a bunch of MU fans there. It's certainly a loss of revenue for them, but maybe they are ok with that.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 10:40:26 AM
202mualum- I talked about with you last night, I get it.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: 2TimeWarrior on December 01, 2010, 10:42:31 AM
Sorry the facts are the facts in when they sold tickets for the game.
You're right, Panther, UW-M should sell every game the exact same way regardless of whether they are playing Duke at home or UW-Fond du Lac.  It has sure worked well for them so far based on their attendance numbers!

Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 10:46:02 AM
You're right, Panther, UW-M should sell every game the exact same way regardless of whether they are playing Duke at home or UW-Fond du Lac.  It has sure worked well for them so far based on their attendance numbers!


Come'on, Duke and UW-Fond du Lac.
We are talking Badgers and MU.

Like I said UW-UWM, they sold singles only two days before the game and over 10,000. MU-UWM three weeks before, they thought it would be a sell-out. What else do you want me to say, I don't work for UWM, I never went to school at UWM and I have no family that went to UWM. I can only go by the numbers in terms how they did it before.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: 2TimeWarrior on December 01, 2010, 10:47:57 AM
Come'on, Duke and UW-Fond du Lac.

We are talking Badgers and MU.

According to your argument, facts are facts.  The only thing that matters is when the tickets went on sale and it isn't important to consider other issues that may come into play.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 10:52:47 AM
According to your argument, facts are facts.  The only thing that matters is when the tickets went on sale and it isn't important to consider other issues that may come into play.
I agree, I can't do anything about it.

It's easy to be Monday morning QB!
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: StillAWarrior on December 01, 2010, 10:53:37 AM
Like I said UW-UWM, they sold singles only two days before the game and over 10,000. MU-UWM three weeks before, they thought it would be a sell-out. What else do you want me to say, I don't work for UWM, I never went to school at UWM and I have no family that went to UWM. I can only go by the numbers in terms how they did it before.

Not sure why everyone's jumping on you.

Obviously, UWM miscalculated.  They thought it would be a sell out and it wasn't.  If they ever have another chance to host MU (and I hope they don't), I imagine they'll do things differently if they want to fill the building.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 01, 2010, 11:13:07 AM
FOUR YEARS THIS GAME WAS IN THE MAKING

7,000 PEOPLE SHOWED UP


VERY FEW PEOPLE CARE!!!
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 11:16:09 AM
Schedules don't come out to the fans untill Labor Day.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: mu-rara on December 01, 2010, 11:18:54 AM
It's not UW-M, it's Milwaukee, UWM or UW-Milwaukee

It's only Milwaukee to UW-M marketers...to the rest of us it's UW-M (or UWM, I don't care)
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 11:23:49 AM
It's only Milwaukee to UW-M marketers...to the rest of us it's UW-M (or UWM, I don't care)
If you don't care why did you talk about it?
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 01, 2010, 11:29:46 AM
Schedules don't come out to the fans untill Labor Day.

So what....4 years ago UWM fans knew this game was going to be played.  It was the game of the century, the JS and the talk shows got their demands met, UWM fans were going to have MU at home...come on!!

There are more UWM alums in Milwaukee than MU has in the entire STATE.

When you get this once in 50 year opportunity you have to get your butts over there.  I don't care if the actual schedule came out in August \ September, you have to find a way.  7,000 is AWFUL!

Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: GGGG on December 01, 2010, 11:30:07 AM
Everyone knows the issue with UWM as a whole.  It is bascially a commuter school that most of their students treat as an extension of high school.  That type of relationship does not generate a great deal of fan support during times when the basketball program isn't good.  

They have been trying to "reimage" itself as a residential school with a great campus life, but everything I have seen is that this effort is meeting with at best mixed results.  The campus is in a pretty dull neighborhood and when 80% of the students leave everyday, only so much excitement can be generated.  OTOH, they have increased their six year graduation rate from 33 to 43% over the past ten years...and that really isn't bad considering the type of institution it is.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 11:33:14 AM
So what....4 years ago UWM fans knew this game was going to be played.  It was the game of the century, the JS and the talk shows got their demands met, UWM fans were going to have MU at home...come on!!

There are more UWM alums in Milwaukee than MU has in the entire STATE.

When you get this once in 50 year opportunity you have to get your butts over there.  I don't care if the actual schedule came out in August \ September, you have to find a way.  7,000 is AWFUL!


Everyones to balm!
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: hairy worthen on December 01, 2010, 11:37:09 AM
So what....4 years ago UWM fans knew this game was going to be played.  It was the game of the century, the JS and the talk shows got their demands met, UWM fans were going to have MU at home...come on!!

There are more UWM alums in Milwaukee than MU has in the entire STATE.

When you get this once in 50 year opportunity you have to get your butts over there.  I don't care if the actual schedule came out in August \ September, you have to find a way.  7,000 is AWFUL!



Estimating that 1/2 the people in attendance were MU fans. That makes 3500 and that is not only awful, but embarrassing
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: GGGG on December 01, 2010, 11:39:10 AM
Guys making fun of UWM basketball is like making fun of the retarded kid at school.  It is starting to look a little unseemly.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 11:40:39 AM
Everyone knows the issue with UWM as a whole.  It is bascially a commuter school that most of their students treat as an extension of high school.  That type of relationship does not generate a great deal of fan support during times when the basketball program isn't good.  

They have been trying to "reimage" itself as a residential school with a great campus life, but everything I have seen is that this effort is meeting with at best mixed results.  The campus is in a pretty dull neighborhood and when 80% of the students leave everyday, only so much excitement can be generated.  OTOH, they have increased their six year graduation rate from 33 to 43% over the past ten years...and that really isn't bad considering the type of institution it is.
Bottomline it is a commuter school that's been D1 since 1990, but really did not come on the radar untill 2001 or 2003, if you say when Bo Ryan or Pearl got there.

UWM is now on 1130 WISN and a post-game radio show from Major's G.
UWM is on TWC32 for it's games. Not to long ago they where not on tv.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 11:43:26 AM
Estimating that 1/2 the people in attendance were MU fans. That makes 3500 and that is not only awful, but embarrassing
I don't think anyone can say half the crowd was MU.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: hairy worthen on December 01, 2010, 11:47:55 AM
I don't think anyone can say half the crowd was MU.

I wasn't there, (didn't interest me) but from accounts I heard on this board and elsewhere the estimate was about 1/2. Lets say it was 70/30 thats still 4900 and that still falls in the embarrassing range imo.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: GGGG on December 01, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
Bottomline it is a commuter school that's been D1 since 1990, but really did not come on the radar untill 2001 or 2003, if you say when Bo Ryan or Pearl got there.

UWM is now on 1130 WISN and a post-game radio show from Major's G.
UWM is on TWC32 for it's games. Not to long ago they where not on tv.


Every program has a radio deal and most programs now have television deals even if it is with local cable companies.  I work at a (bad) D2 school whose games are on local cable.  This is more a case of the need for content more than it is increase in interest.  In fact, I wouldn't doubt that UWM gets no, or very little, "rights" for these games...and may even have to pay.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 01, 2010, 11:51:02 AM
I don't think anyone can say half the crowd was MU.

Your announcers did on the broadcast.


End of the day, if UW-M wanted to show their colors, show that this game deserved to be played, deserved to be located at UW-M, then you have to do better than 3,500 to 4,000 UW-M fans.

It is NOT MU's responsibility to pack YOUR GYMNASIUM.  This illusion created by UW-M fans that this is somehow MU's fault is comical.  It's YOUR HOME GAME.  Four years in preparation.  A "guaranteed" sellout.

Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 11:57:14 AM
Are you saying "your" as toward myself or UWM?
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 11:58:55 AM
I wasn't there, (didn't interest me) but from accounts I heard on this board and elsewhere the estimate was about 1/2. Lets say it was 70/30 thats still 4900 and that still falls in the embarrassing range imo.
That's to bad you didn't go, you miss a fun game. We could of used you.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Brewtown Andy on December 01, 2010, 12:02:50 PM
It is NOT MU's responsibility to pack YOUR GYMNASIUM. 



Especially for a game where they have no financial gain.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: hairy worthen on December 01, 2010, 12:05:38 PM
That's to bad you didn't go, you miss a fun game. We could of used you.

I attended UWM and the sight of their fans cheering against MU like they just won the NCAA Championship made my skin crawl. I am not sure I could bear that in person.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 12:09:37 PM
Especially for a game where they have no financial gain.
Is it's MU responsibility? No, but where are the MU fans to just support Marquette.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Informed Opinion on December 01, 2010, 01:04:23 PM
UWM  made the tickets hard to obtain at least the best seats poor marketing
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: PE8983 on December 01, 2010, 01:07:47 PM
MU season ticket holders pay for 19 games or so.  Now, they should feel obligated to pay (at one point for a 4 game ticket package) for essentially a buy game on an opponents home floor?  And when they don't get it, you should bail out UWM for their poor fan support at the last minute.  Not to mention the fact that MU's students are on Thanksgiving break.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: brewcity77 on December 01, 2010, 01:16:40 PM
I don't think anyone can say half the crowd was MU.

The announcers may have said that, I don't know because I was at the game, but I'd agree that it wasn't 50% Marquette. Maybe 30-35% Marquette, but for them to sell out, they needed it to be 50-60% Marquette, simply based on the number of fans that will regularly attend games for the two schools. Milwaukee draws an average of 2,883. Figure for a big game, you won't double the home crowd, but maybe an extra 75%, bringing UW-M fans to about 5,000. The Cell seats 10,783, so you still need another 5,700 Marquette fans to pack the place.

If UW-M wanted to sell those tickets, they needed to find a way to draw that many MU fans in. They probably brought in around 2,000. So what could they have done? I'm not sure. Certainly opening single-game seats sooner would have helped. Maybe try cooperating with Marquette's Athletic Department. See if they would allow UW-M to send out a mailer to season ticket holders with a discount code, or a mass email to students, again with a special code. Give Marquette 10% of the profits UW-M made off those tickets (based on the code) and you might have an incentive that would lead to them agreeing to help you sell out the building.

And of course, when they aren't selling, drop the 4-game packages. If you really want a package, sell a 2-game pack for either Butler or Northern Iowa. Hell, offer that for $25 and I bet they would have sold more of those packages than the 4 games for $40.

There were a number of things UW-M could have done, but it would have required two things. First, cooperating with Marquette's Athletic Department, and second accepting that to fill the gym, Marquette fans would have to outnumber UW-M fans. It seems either they weren't willing to do either, or any attempts they did make fell short.

If Marquette agrees to extending the series, UW-M officials will have to have a long, hard think about how they market this game in the future, and weigh whether they'd rather have a stronger UW-M fan presence, or give that up to sell seats.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: GGGG on December 01, 2010, 01:24:54 PM
Part of the problem is without an athletic director, they had no real person to act as a leader on this issue.  Had Koonce worked out, there very well could have been some coordination with MU given his connections.  Look, they thought they had a great idea that would fill the building and generate some income....but it just didn't work out.  They realized it too late to do anything substantive and probably wanted to save some face by not dealing directly with MU anyway.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Brewtown Andy on December 01, 2010, 01:27:17 PM
If Marquette agrees to extending the series, UW-M officials will have to have a long, hard think about how they market this game in the future, and weigh whether they'd rather have a stronger UW-M fan presence, or give that up to sell seats.

It depends on how much it costs UWM to operate the Arena for a game.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on December 01, 2010, 01:50:11 PM
The announcers may have said that, I don't know because I was at the game, but I'd agree that it wasn't 50% Marquette. Maybe 30-35% Marquette, but for them to sell out, they needed it to be 50-60% Marquette, simply based on the number of fans that will regularly attend games for the two schools. Milwaukee draws an average of 2,883. Figure for a big game, you won't double the home crowd, but maybe an extra 75%, bringing UW-M fans to about 5,000. The Cell seats 10,783, so you still need another 5,700 Marquette fans to pack the place.

If UW-M wanted to sell those tickets, they needed to find a way to draw that many MU fans in. They probably brought in around 2,000. So what could they have done? I'm not sure. Certainly opening single-game seats sooner would have helped. Maybe try cooperating with Marquette's Athletic Department. See if they would allow UW-M to send out a mailer to season ticket holders with a discount code, or a mass email to students, again with a special code. Give Marquette 10% of the profits UW-M made off those tickets (based on the code) and you might have an incentive that would lead to them agreeing to help you sell out the building.

And of course, when they aren't selling, drop the 4-game packages. If you really want a package, sell a 2-game pack for either Butler or Northern Iowa. Hell, offer that for $25 and I bet they would have sold more of those packages than the 4 games for $40.

There were a number of things UW-M could have done, but it would have required two things. First, cooperating with Marquette's Athletic Department, and second accepting that to fill the gym, Marquette fans would have to outnumber UW-M fans. It seems either they weren't willing to do either, or any attempts they did make fell short.

If Marquette agrees to extending the series, UW-M officials will have to have a long, hard think about how they market this game in the future, and weigh whether they'd rather have a stronger UW-M fan presence, or give that up to sell seats.

Perfectly stated.

And I know we are all playing a little Monday morning QB here... but this stuff isn't rocket science. The athletic department and ticket office get paid to know this stuff.

Playing the game on the Saturday of Thanksgiving weekend probably cost them almost 2000 tickets right there (MU students and alumni who were out of town). How many student season ticket holders does MU have?

Not sure how much power UWM had in picking the date, but it was either A. terrible (cost them revenue) or B. Brilliant (kept an additional 2K MU fans out of the building).
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 01, 2010, 01:52:13 PM
Are you saying "your" as toward myself or UWM?

UWM and you....it was their broadcast, they supplied the announcers

I understand you are a MU fan, as well, but you seem to be here representing UW-M's interests in this particular thread.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 01, 2010, 01:57:37 PM
Is it's MU responsibility? No, but where are the MU fans to just support Marquette.

They're NOT INTERESTED in the game.

If MU went and played at Cardinal Stritch, or St. Norberts, or UW Osh Kosh, or whatever (Chicago State) would they pack the rafters?  No.  It's a bye game, any way you look at it.  There's very little interest in going where you're putting money into another school's coffers and having to deal with another school's rabid obsessive fans, etc.  Just isn't there.

MU fans already don't want to pay for tickets to Longwood, Coppin State, Prairie View, etc, but at least in those games the money spent is going to the MARQUETTE athletic department to help MARQUETTE UNIVERSITY.    UW-madison fans don't like paying for cupcakes either, but that's the deal.

The attendance at this game was a monumental bust and should be tattooed to Michael Hunt, Dale Hoffman and Garry Howard's head!!

Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Jay Bee on December 01, 2010, 01:58:12 PM
I understand you are a MU fan, as well, but you seem to be here representing UW-M's interests in this particular thread.

I like this quote coming from Chicos!
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Ari Gold on December 01, 2010, 02:05:04 PM
Is it's MU responsibility? No, but where are the MU fans to just support Marquette.

A) Bars with other friends/fans
B) Home/traveling for thanksgiving
C) In Chicago area (see A or b) unwilling to make the drive for a noncon game against an unraked oppo
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 02:25:50 PM
UWM and you....it was their broadcast, they supplied the announcers

I understand you are a MU fan, as well, but you seem to be here representing UW-M's interests in this particular thread.
I"m a season-ticket holder for Marquette, who goes to every home.

No, I'm not representing UWM. I'm taking pros and cons on both sides of the it.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 01, 2010, 02:26:37 PM
I like this quote coming from Chicos!
::)
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: dgies9156 on December 01, 2010, 02:31:27 PM

MU came away with nothing positive from the game. Embarrassed at the final score in a win. Whined at because our fans didn't show. This is just a stupid series for MU to play.

Totally agree. The Division 1 pre-conference season of Bucknell, South Dakota, Green Bay, UWM and the Little Sisters of the Poor up on the east side does no one at MU any good. D1 powers should play D1 powers, like we did in Kansas City. Like we have in Orlando, Alaska and Hawaii as well.

The real test of our team is when we play Duke, Gonzaga, Vanderbilt and Wisconsin. You want a sell-out, have Marquette play these teams instead of a group of never-were's. Or have us play Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern or Illinois, like we once did from time to time.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: 🏀 on December 01, 2010, 03:41:14 PM
Totally agree. The Division 1 pre-conference season of Bucknell, South Dakota, Green Bay, UWM and the Little Sisters of the Poor up on the east side does no one at MU any good. D1 powers should play D1 powers, like we did in Kansas City. Like we have in Orlando, Alaska and Hawaii as well.

The real test of our team is when we play Duke, Gonzaga, Vanderbilt and Wisconsin. You want a sell-out, have Marquette play these teams instead of a group of never-were's. Or have us play Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern or Illinois, like we once did from time to time.

Except that is impossible.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: brewcity77 on December 01, 2010, 03:59:12 PM
On the plus side, this little dispute over why the game didn't sell out seems to have taken the attention away from the margin of victory that had everyone's panties in a bunch over the past weekend  :)
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Brewtown Andy on December 02, 2010, 12:33:27 AM
On the plus side, this little dispute over why the game didn't sell out seems to have taken the attention away from the margin of victory that had everyone's panties in a bunch over the past weekend  :)

Florida losing at Central Florida tonight takes some of the sting out of it, too.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on December 02, 2010, 07:41:05 AM
Florida losing at Central Florida tonight takes some of the sting out of it, too.
I don't know if you saw the UF-UCF game, it was in Orlando at the Magic's new arena. Many Gator fan there. Fun game to watch.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: Brewtown Andy on December 02, 2010, 10:09:38 AM
I don't know if you saw the UF-UCF game, it was in Orlando at the Magic's new arena. Many Gator fan there. Fun game to watch.

I did not, I just saw UCF listed as the home team.
Title: Re: I didn't realize it was largely our fault the UW-M game didn't sell out
Post by: jaybilaswho? on December 02, 2010, 10:39:29 AM
the Magic's new arena.

Please call it by its correct name: The House that Dwight Built.