http://twitter.com/EvanDanielscout/statuses/2782082707234816
Looks like Zeller to IU is the most likely thing. Not bad for IU/Crean, I will have to admit.
He'll transfer after his freshman year.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 11, 2010, 12:33:05 PM
He'll transfer after his freshman year.
I'm taking bets on that...how much you want to lose? ;)
His job is 100% safe now. I think the fanbase values keeping recruits in-state more than winning in the short term, so the fanbase will be back with him.
He's proved he can recruit big men now.
He HAS to thank Indiana for that.
But he had to take over a program and manage it by Creaning players and whittling down the talent to the point that he can promise immediate playing time yet maintain the allure of being a significant D1 program.
Good for Crean, I would be estatic to get a big man that is even close to as highly ranked as him at MU, but if history has shown us anything, Cody is probably a bit overrated.
Luke, RSCI - 34, 13.1 mpg, 4.2 ppg, 2.6 rpg career playing at ND
Tyler, RSCI - 18, 17.4 mpg, 9.3 ppg, 4.6 rpg last year for a pretty bad UNC team, although he did have a big game in their exhibition opener
Cody: RSCI (current) - 14, ?, ?
Now that he has talent there is no excuse for not winning a few games each year in the dance. His next task is to learn to coach. Big hurdle. Little man.
Good for him. I always assumed the homegrown bigs would fling themselves at him like Asian Carp once he got settled in. Now maybe he will have the tools to confront his other weakness, in-game adjustments.
I agree, good for him. It took a while , but his "It's Indiana!" proclamation is ringing true. Quality recruits like Zeller commit to the school because of tradition. And these recruits can hide a coaches shortcommings (for a while).
This is still a Marquette forum right? Just checking
Quote from: SacWarrior on November 11, 2010, 02:38:01 PM
This is still a Marquette forum right? Just checking
And Tom Crean is still the man who betrayed his Marquette players and employer the University, right?
Quote from: SalsaMan on November 11, 2010, 02:44:11 PM
And Tom Crean is still the man who betrayed his Marquette players and employer the University, right?
>implying that this still matters.
Quote from: thisists on November 11, 2010, 02:51:33 PM
>implying that this still matters.
"In this bright future you can't forget your past"
Bob Marley
Quote from: thisists on November 11, 2010, 02:51:33 PM
>implying that this still matters.
"...we must never forget that the highest honor is not to utter words, but to live by them..."
John F. Kennedy
And sometimes the best thing to do is forgive and move on.
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2010, 03:06:06 PM
And sometimes the best thing to do is forgive and move on.
"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names"
John F. Kennedy
What's the excuse for not winning now going to be since Crean appears to have talent on the roster?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 11, 2010, 03:10:25 PM
What's the excuse for not winning now going to be since Crean appears to have talent on the roster?
The sun was in my eyes...
The dog ate my game plan...
Joanie was up all night with gastro intestinal distress...
I was out celebrating my son being selected MVP of my basketball camp...
It's Indiana! It's Indiana!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 11, 2010, 03:10:25 PM
What's the excuse for not winning now going to be since Crean appears to have talent on the roster?
Of course some of its not coming for 2, 3 or 4 years...
Quote from: SalsaMan on November 11, 2010, 03:13:27 PM
The sun was in my eyes...
The dog ate my game plan...
Joanie was up all night with gastro intestinal distress...
I was out celebrating my son being selected MVP of my basketball camp...
It's Indiana! It's Indiana!
As stupid as this thread is ...that was really funny!
Quote from: SalsaMan on November 11, 2010, 03:13:27 PM
The sun was in my eyes...
The dog ate my game plan...
Joanie was up all night with gastro intestinal distress...
I was out celebrating my son being selected MVP of my basketball camp...
It's Indiana! It's Indiana!
What?!?! no tanning bed excuse?
SuperBar?
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on November 11, 2010, 03:44:55 PM
What?!?! no tanning bed excuse?
I couldn't game-plan knowing the timer on my tanning bed was broken.
The guys aren't spending enough time in the hypobaric chamber (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=13843.msg124226#msg124226)
Like it or not landing Zeller and Etherington, along with Perea, Jurkin and Patterson next year probably means that IU will be in the upper portion of the B10 pretty quick.
Definitely got the one he needed. Landing him is probably more important for Crean than how good he actually ends up being, at least for now.
Quote from: SalsaMan on November 11, 2010, 03:07:44 PM
"Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names"
John F. Kennedy
"She was a great piece of ass"
John F. Kennedy
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 11, 2010, 03:10:25 PM
What's the excuse for not winning now going to be since Crean appears to have talent on the roster?
What's the excuse going to be here if he does win?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2010, 05:14:45 PM
What's the excuse going to be here if he does win?
Who cares if he wins? And for what reason would somebody need an "excuse?"
He's still an insufferable horse's ass and the biggest poser in sports...in fact (and I know some around here like him), I think his personality is as much like Bruce Pearl as it can get. I'm not talking about recruiting practices...just personality. And Crean isn't half as charming.
Good luck Indiana!!! Don't forget to hold your nose when you crack the .500 barrier in 3 years.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 11, 2010, 05:20:13 PM
Who cares if he wins? And for what reason would somebody need an "excuse?"
He's still an insufferable horse's ass and the biggest poser in sports...in fact (and I know some around here like him), I think his personality is as much like Bruce Pearl as it can get. I'm not talking about recruiting practices...just personality. And Crean isn't half as charming.
Good luck Indiana!!! Don't forget to hold your nose when you crack the .500 barrier in 3 years.
The hatred here is hilarious. Again, where is this hatred for Majerus, O'Neill, etc. Comical. Apparently many people "needed an excuse" if you read the comments here over the last few years.
Yes, he's a horse's ass, but unlike Majerus and O'Neill, he delivered us a Final Four, one of the best players in the world, the Big East, Buzz Williams, etc. We aren't on this board talking about MU in the current context if it wasn't for this horse's ass.
It seems to me a lot of people here have egg on their face today predicting Crean's firing in a few years (didn't happen and won't happen), inability to get a big man (that has been thoroughly debunked), etc....and so now the lashing comes out more and more.
MU is a great program, IU has more upside. That's reality, that's what some of us have been correctly saying for several years, that's why Crean took the job there. The fact of the matter is that IU presents more recruiting opportunities than MU...Crean was right and that clearly irks a lot of people here. Until Buzz or someone else can change that, the perception (and reality) will continue.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2010, 05:27:16 PM
The hatred here is hilarious. Again, where is this hatred for Majerus, O'Neill, etc. Comical. Apparently many people "needed an excuse" if you read the comments here over the last few years.
Yes, he's a horse's ass, but unlike Majerus and O'Neill, he delivered us a Final Four, one of the best players in the world, the Big East, Buzz Williams, etc. We aren't on this board talking about MU in the current context if it wasn't for this horse's ass.
I think the difference between the other two is time. Majerus left 20+ years ago and KO left 16 years ago.
I think the venom will go away after awhile, especially if MU keeps progressing like it appears to be.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2010, 05:27:16 PM
It seems to me a lot of people here have egg on their face today predicting Crean's firing in a few years (didn't happen and won't happen)
For the record, my prediction is he'll be out by Nov 2012, and until that point I won't have egg on my face. Of course, he also won't have many of his "key" recruits before then, which will make winning hard, which will make keeping him hard.
Hey - but no sense in talking about until it happens ;)
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 11, 2010, 05:36:23 PM
I think the difference between the other two is time. Majerus left 20+ years ago and KO left 16 years ago.
I think the venom will go away after awhile, especially if MU keeps progressing like it appears to be.
I'm pretty sure some fans here are going to take their hatred to the grave on this one. Not all, but certainly some.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2010, 05:37:32 PM
For the record, my prediction is he'll be out by Nov 2012, and until that point I won't have egg on my face. Of course, he also won't have many of his "key" recruits before then, which will make winning hard, which will make keeping him hard.
Hey - but no sense in talking about until it happens ;)
Rocky....wasn't referencing you....there were others that said he would be fired after 2 years (i.e.....would have already been fired)....still others that said 3 years....you were at 4 years, but you know you're going to have to pay. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2010, 05:44:56 PM
I'm pretty sure some fans here are going to take their hatred to the grave on this one. Not all, but certainly some.
I will. I'm sorry he's even associated with Marquette. I cannot stand him.
Quote from: jmayer1 on November 11, 2010, 12:55:41 PM
Good for Crean, I would be estatic to get a big man that is even close to as highly ranked as him at MU, but if history has shown us anything, Cody is probably a bit overrated.
Luke, RSCI - 34, 13.1 mpg, 4.2 ppg, 2.6 rpg career playing at ND
Tyler, RSCI - 18, 17.4 mpg, 9.3 ppg, 4.6 rpg last year for a pretty bad UNC team, although he did have a big game in their exhibition opener
Cody: RSCI (current) - 14, ?, ?
Thanks for the numbers on his brothers...if family history is the indicator, this is little more than the signing of a "serviceable" big man.
But, as Seinfeld would say...."not that there is anything wrong with that".
In Big Ten, its a big key to competing.
I'll believe Zeller plays for Indiana when he steps on the court.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on November 11, 2010, 04:00:59 PM
Like it or not landing Zeller and Etherington, along with Perea, Jurkin and Patterson next year probably means that IU will be in the upper portion of the B10 pretty quick.
He still has to coach them though, so there can still be a problem.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2010, 05:27:16 PM
MU is a great program, IU has more upside. That's reality, that's what some of us have been correctly saying for several years, that's why Crean took the job there. The fact of the matter is that IU presents more recruiting opportunities than MU...Crean was right and that clearly irks a lot of people here. Until Buzz or someone else can change that, the perception (and reality) will continue.
I don't hate Crean, but don't like him either after how he left. That said, Indiana obviously does offer better recruiting opportunities.
Above all else, the state of Indiana is a vastly superior recruiting base for players in comparison to Wisconsin. For whatever reason, a sizable number of fans both in basketball and football don't take in account enough just how big a factor it is to be a college head coach in a state with a lower level recruiting base. I'm a big fan of Badger football and i'd often hear fans complaining about recruiting classes of Barry/Brett in comparison to say Michigan/Ohio St. or other traditional powers who compete for national championships. Well, schools like Michigan/Ohio St. in the Big Ten and others like Florida/USC not only have better tradition to lure recruits, they have vastly superior home recruiting bases. States like Ohio, Michigan, Florida, California, Texas, etc. churn out way more high level football recruits for coaches in those states to try and keep home and it is easier overall to keep a recruit in state than it is to get a kid to leave.
Now Indiana isn't a bastion of fabulous high school football talent, but for high school basketball talent, it's clearly a better recruiting base than Wisconsin is for Bo Ryan and Buzz Williams to tap in state recruits. Mix in the tradition of Indiana, fans there have good reason to expect their coaches to recruit well. Buzz and Bo, or any coach at UW/MU simply have a tougher job when trying to attract high end recruits and recruiting is a massive key to winning in college sports.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 11, 2010, 05:20:13 PM
Who cares if he wins? And for what reason would somebody need an "excuse?"
He's still an insufferable horse's ass and the biggest poser in sports...in fact (and I know some around here like him), I think his personality is as much like Bruce Pearl as it can get. I'm not talking about recruiting practices...just personality. And Crean isn't half as charming.
Good luck Indiana!!! Don't forget to hold your nose when you crack the .500 barrier in 3 years.
Who cares if he wins? Seriously? you are one of the jilted lovers who comments on every loss he has. At least be honest about it.
Quote from: The Maestro on November 11, 2010, 06:33:31 PM
He still has to coach them though, so there can still be a problem.
Well, to be fair, upper portion only means the top 6 or so of the conference. I think Crean can manage that. He may not be ready to contend against a guys like Izzo or Painter for the conference title, but there's no reason with this type of talent he can't make them a consistent top half team and NCAA regular.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 11, 2010, 06:57:51 PM
Who cares if he wins? Seriously? you are one of the jilted lovers who comments on every loss he has. At least be honest about it.
I'm a "jilted lover?" I hated the jerkoff when he was at Marquette and expressed those feelings repeatedly. That hardly qualifies me as "jilted" or a "lover." And I've never, ever been anything less than honest about it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 11, 2010, 07:00:25 PM
Well, to be fair, upper portion only means the top 6 or so of the conference. I think Crean can manage that. He may not be ready to contend against a guys like Izzo or Painter for the conference title, but there's no reason with this type of talent he can't make them a consistent top half team and NCAA regular.
I agree. Let's face it, the guy won about 25 games a year at MU and always double digit wins in the Big East with the talent he got to MU. More than likely, he will get better talent (long term) at IU as the stain of the scandal is further and further away. With more talent, I'd be hard pressed to not see him win at least that many games a year if not more. That will bum some people out here and probably even put Canadian Dimes into the fetal position, but that's the way I see it unfolding.
Whether he can succeed in the NCAA Tournament is another matter that only time will tell.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2010, 07:18:31 PM
Let's face it, the guy won about 25 games a year at MU...With more talent, I'd be hard pressed to not see him win at least that many games a year if not more.
When you say 'about 25 games a year', do you really mean 'about 21 games a year, and more often than not, won 20 games or less'??
And if so, how many games are you hard pressed to not see him win at least, if not more? 25? 21?
Tyler is still playing so he still has plenty that he can accomplish. Doesn't help that they have no PG to set the bigs up.
Cody is clearly expected to be the best of the three brothers. We would all be doing handsprings if we landed this kid.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 11, 2010, 07:36:44 PM
When you say 'about 25 games a year', do you really mean 'about 21 games a year, and more often than not, won 20 games or less'??
And if so, how many games are you hard pressed to not see him win at least, if not more? 25? 21?
No, actually I didn't. The first two years were Deane's leftovers, taking over a losing team that didn't even make the NIT.
When he had talent, he won consistently 25 (or more) games per year except one year when he won 24. When the talent was waning or young, he won about 20 games per year.
IU will suck again this year, probably 8th or 9th in the league. That will start to change next year and big time in the years to follow....where he will have a lot of talent. When he's had a lot of talent, he's won a lot of games. That won't change.
I cannot wait for the next coach to take IU back to the promised land. Crean is out of kitchen passes. I look forward to that day.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2010, 05:46:19 PM
Rocky....wasn't referencing you....there were others that said he would be fired after 2 years (i.e.....would have already been fired)....still others that said 3 years....you were at 4 years, but you know you're going to have to pay. ;)
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Who? I'd be sincerely interested in the multiple posters ("others") who said he 'd be fired after 2 years and after 3 years. Don't recall that.
"I never inhaled"
-Bill Clinton
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2010, 07:53:24 PM
Tyler is still playing so he still has plenty that he can accomplish. Doesn't help that they have no PG to set the bigs up.
Cody is clearly expected to be the best of the three brothers. We would all be doing handsprings if we landed this kid.
Some of us would rather scream like a chick and squirm.
"There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq..."
G.W. Bush
"This aggression will not stand."
G.B. I
If, for some reason, he keeps underachieving at IU. How long do you think it would take for IU to give him the boot?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2010, 07:18:31 PM
I agree. Let's face it, the guy won about 25 games a year at MU and always double digit wins in the Big East with the talent he got to MU. More than likely, he will get better talent (long term) at IU as the stain of the scandal is further and further away. With more talent, I'd be hard pressed to not see him win at least that many games a year if not more. That will bum some people out here and probably even put Canadian Dimes into the fetal position, but that's the way I see it unfolding.
Whether he can succeed in the NCAA Tournament is another matter that only time will tell.
"Let's face it, the guy won about 25 games a year at Marquette". Huh? 25, 21, what's the difference? But then I guess one could say 21, 17, what's the difference? And so on. Facts: Crean won 25+ games 3 times in 9 years, 1 time in his last 5, and averaged 21.1. I get that you love the guy and want to polish his knob, but inflating his numbers by 16% is over the top. Using your math, Buzz has averaged about 28 wins a year even though he's never won more than 25. Fuzzy math.
The fact that this thread is this long is embarassing.
And yes, jackasses, I'm aware that technically I'm contributing to it's length. But nonetheless y'all. LET IT GO!!!
Quote from: reinko on November 11, 2010, 09:09:15 PM
The fact that this thread is this long is embarassing.
And yes, jackasses, I'm aware that technically I'm contributing to it's length. But nonetheless y'all. LET IT GO!!!
embarrassing vs. embarassing.
its vs. it's
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Quote from: reinko on November 11, 2010, 09:14:21 PM
Yo J-Dizzle, thirsty Thursday my friend. Spelling and grammar is for dorks.
Wordup, I wish I could throw a few back tonight, but... trying to get to the office by 5:30 or 6am tomorrow so I can try to get home before tip-off.
Don't worry, though.. your spelling and grammar is better than Chico's math.
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...Or HE said."
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Quote from: Jay Bee on November 11, 2010, 09:16:26 PM
Don't worry, though.. your spelling and grammar is better than Chico's math.
This coming from the guy that thinks this is "borderline ugly"
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If you read what I said, the math should be pretty clear. I said "When he had talent, he won consistently 25 (or more) games per year except one year when he won 24. When the talent was waning or young, he won about 20 games per year."
By talent, I'm using the rationale on this board...the same rationale that said non DI players were recruited, etc, etc.
2001 26 wins
2002 27 wins
2006 24 wins
2007 25 wins
= 25 wins per year
In 2005, talented but very young which I caveated in my statement, 20 wins. 19 wins the other two years. I did not include the first two years at MU or IU, when he was rebuilding both programs. Nothing wrong with my math.
When he has talent, he wins a lot of games. At IU, he will have a lot of talent in the next few years...he will win a lot of games. Nothing wrong with my math.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 11, 2010, 09:04:34 PM
"Let's face it, the guy won about 25 games a year at Marquette". Huh? 25, 21, what's the difference? But then I guess one could say 21, 17, what's the difference? And so on. Facts: Crean won 25+ games 3 times in 9 years, 1 time in his last 5, and averaged 21.1. I get that you love the guy and want to polish his knob, but inflating his numbers by 16% is over the top. Using your math, Buzz has averaged about 28 wins a year even though he's never won more than 25. Fuzzy math.
You clearly didn't read what I said, but that's ok. I said WHEN HE HAD TALENT....i.e., not the last two years and not the first two years. He also didn't have a whole lot of talent the first two years after the Final Four, something that detractors here have stated time and time and time again...remember? That's the point, he now will have talent at IU and he will win a ton of games. He's going to win a lot of games over the next 5 years, just the way it is.
MU is on a roll and should be able to do just as well if not better...afterall, we have a better recruiter and better coach at the helm.
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."
William Jefferson Clinton
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2010, 09:51:24 PM
You clearly didn't read what I said, but that's ok. I said WHEN HE HAD TALENT....i.e., not the last two years and not the first two years. He also didn't have a whole lot of talent the first two years after the Final Four, something that detractors here have stated time and time and time again...remember? That's the point, he now will have talent at IU and he will win a ton of games. He's going to win a lot of games over the next 5 years, just the way it is.
MU is on a roll and should be able to do just as well if not better...afterall, we have a better recruiter and better coach at the helm.
Here's actually what you said:
I agree. Let's face it, the guy won about 25 games a year at MU and always double digit wins in the Big East with the talent he got to MU. More than likely, he will get better talent (long term) at IU as the stain of the scandal is further and further away. With more talent, I'd be hard pressed to not see him win at least that many games a year if not more. That will bum some people out here and probably even put Canadian Dimes into the fetal position, but that's the way I see it unfolding
Nothing about WHEN HE HAD TALENT.
Spin, spin, spin
And about Cody Zeller. He's not "Clearly the best Zeller". Tyler Zeller is pretty darn good, and was a little more college ready and definitely more athletic than Cody going into his senior year. Tyler just had injury problems. I would not be surprised if Tyler averages about 15-18 points per game this year.
I have seen Cody play numerous times. He's a very good player, and definitely an excellent building block, but he is not a program changer.
And yes I would be ecstatic if MU could sign a big man of his caliber, even though it is a guard's game. ;D
Who was responsible for the talent on hand in 03-04 and 04-05? Sure looks like .500 records in CUSA and <20 win seasons. So, half the time he was here, he won 25 or so games. Half the time he was here, he won less than 20. Hey, I have no grudge against Crean. I got over his leaving in about 2 weeks. I expect he will be fairly successful at IU, mainly because I have always expected him to land some Indiana-bred bigs and was beginning to wonder what was taking so long. But chicos, dude, some of your circulocutions are becoming painful. Crean did good things for Marquette, and vice versa. But are you seriously going to be in here defending Buzz' coaching ability if he hangs back to back 19 win seasons in years 5 and 6 of his regime?
Indee, move down one post and see what I wrote....I even put it in quotes for you. You are referencing an earlier post not the one where I clearly stated what the 25 wins meant. No spin, you just have to take the time to read
"When he had talent, he won consistently 25 (or more) games per year except one year when he won 24. When the talent was waning or young, he won about 20 games per year."
So sad that on the eve of our season opener this is the most popular/active thread on the board.
Quote from: tower912 on November 12, 2010, 06:45:32 AM
Who was responsible for the talent on hand in 03-04 and 04-05? Sure looks like .500 records in CUSA and <20 win seasons. So, half the time he was here, he won 25 or so games. Half the time he was here, he won less than 20. Hey, I have no grudge against Crean. I got over his leaving in about 2 weeks. I expect he will be fairly successful at IU, mainly because I have always expected him to land some Indiana-bred bigs and was beginning to wonder what was taking so long. But chicos, dude, some of your circulocutions are becoming painful. Crean did good things for Marquette, and vice versa. But are you seriously going to be in here defending Buzz' coaching ability if he hangs back to back 19 win seasons in years 5 and 6 of his regime?
Here's what I said:
"When he had talent, he won consistently 25 (or more) games per year except one year when he won 24. When the talent was waning or young, he won about 20 games per year."Of course he was responsible, no one has ever said anything differently. What I'm saying is NOW he has talent at IU and that will translate into a ton of wins, 25+ per year I would think
You'll have to define what circulocutions means
Will I defend Buzz in years 5 and 6 if we go with 19 wins back to back....if it's coming off a Final Four, I sure as hell will.
Quote from: MarquetteFan94 on November 12, 2010, 07:30:23 AM
So sad that on the eve of our season opener this is the most popular/active thread on the board.
Hate drives many of these threads
Love drives many of these threads.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2010, 05:27:16 PM
It seems to me a lot of people here have egg on their face today predicting Crean's firing in a few years (didn't happen and won't happen), inability to get a big man (that has been thoroughly debunked), etc....and so now the lashing comes out more and more.
For the record, I said that IF he didn't land some of the in-state talent, he could be in trouble after this year. He has managed to land some of that talent, and as referenced in an earlier post, for the moment, it doesn't even matter how good a guy like Zeller turns out to be. Getting him was the important part.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 12, 2010, 07:16:54 AM
Indee, move down one post and see what I wrote....I even put it in quotes for you. You are referencing an earlier post not the one where I clearly stated what the 25 wins meant. No spin, you just have to take the time to read
"When he had talent, he won consistently 25 (or more) games per year except one year when he won 24. When the talent was waning or young, he won about 20 games per year."
It's actually more than one post, and your correction was nothing like your first post. To me, that's you backtracking when you were called out.
Quote from: SalsaMan on November 11, 2010, 03:13:27 PM
The sun was in my eyes...
The dog ate my game plan...
Joanie was up all night with gastro intestinal distress...
I was out celebrating my son being selected MVP of my basketball camp...
It's Indiana! It's Indiana!
This is why Crean threads should be allowed to live. Gems like this come through. Bravo SalsaMan.
16-46 (5-32)
That is all.
Its easy to hate a self-centered phony.
stop it, @ssholes
There is a real MARQUETTE game tonight for the first time in seven months.
Quote from: indeelaw90 on November 12, 2010, 08:31:53 AM
It's actually more than one post, and your correction was nothing like your first post. To me, that's you backtracking when you were called out.
It's called clarifying which I did very soon after the first post. No backtracking at all. If I was backtracking, I'd just edit the original post which I clearly didn't.
Still waiting to understand how I'm a Michigan fan that you claimed earlier...see my PM to you.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 12, 2010, 09:02:40 AM
Its easy to hate a self-centered phony.
I agree, that's why KO and Canadian Dimes have been on my list for years.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 12, 2010, 08:08:33 AM
Hate drives many of these threads
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Jimi Hendrix
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 11, 2010, 09:04:34 PM
"Let's face it, the guy won about 25 games a year at Marquette". Huh? 25, 21, what's the difference? But then I guess one could say 21, 17, what's the difference? And so on. Facts: Crean won 25+ games 3 times in 9 years, 1 time in his last 5, and averaged 21.1. I get that you love the guy and want to polish his knob, but inflating his numbers by 16% is over the top. Using your math, Buzz has averaged about 28 wins a year even though he's never won more than 25. Fuzzy math.
"All morons hate it when you call them a moron."
Holden Caulfield
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 12, 2010, 09:05:47 AM
It's called clarifying which I did very soon after the first post. No backtracking at all. If I was backtracking, I'd just edit the original post which I clearly didn't.
Still waiting to understand how I'm a Michigan fan that you claimed earlier...see my PM to you.
CaliWolverine.
Quote from: indeelaw90 on November 12, 2010, 09:22:34 AM
CaliWolverine.
Was OC Wolverine or SocalMichigander not available?
Cody is the best of the three...IMO
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 12, 2010, 09:29:18 AM
Cody is the best of the three...IMO
Have you seen all three play in high school?
Quote from: indeelaw90 on November 12, 2010, 09:57:31 AM
Have you seen all three play in high school?
Don't you get it? Cody is the best of the three since he was signed by the Bronzed Beast of Bloomington.
Quote from: indeelaw90 on November 12, 2010, 09:57:31 AM
Have you seen all three play in high school?
Nope. But others have, including a few coaches I know that have said things like (paraphrasing) 'Cody has the highest upside', 'Cody might just be the best of the three boys', etc.
His high school coach said he's on pace to be the best shooter of the three brothers.
Or this, "Cody enters the season as a top candidate to take the 2011 Indiana Mr. Basketball award. This makes sense,
considering several scouts favor Cody at this stage over his brothers, both of whom took the honor in their senior years." http://bleacherreport.com/articles/515149-ncaa-basketball-cody-zeller-signs-with-indiana-hoosiers
Quote from: SalsaMan on November 12, 2010, 10:06:23 AM
Don't you get it? Cody is the best of the three since he was signed by the Bronzed Beast of Bloomington.
You're right, it wasn't also down to the national runner-up and some second rate program called North Carolina. Prior to that he had offers from basically everyone that matters.
As usual SalsaMan, you're right.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 12, 2010, 12:17:28 PM
Nope. But others have, including a few coaches I know that have said things like (paraphrasing) 'Cody has the highest upside', 'Cody might just be the best of the three boys', etc.
His high school coach said he's on pace to be the best shooter of the three brothers.
Or this, "Cody enters the season as a top candidate to take the 2011 Indiana Mr. Basketball award. This makes sense, considering several scouts favor Cody at this stage over his brothers, both of whom took the honor in their senior years." http://bleacherreport.com/articles/515149-ncaa-basketball-cody-zeller-signs-with-indiana-hoosiers
Could really care less one way or the other, but "Cody might just be the best of the three boys" is as convincing as saying "There's a 33.3% chance he's the best of the three". And him being a top candidate to win the Indiana Mr. Basketball award, an award both of his brothers won, doesn't lend any credence to him being the best, only that he's on par with them. If they both won the award, the only way that award could give any indication of his talent versus their talent is if he
didn't win it, which would indicate he was the worst of the three because he failed to do something both of them succeeded in doing.
Again, it will likely have very little bearing on Marquette, unless we see Indiana in the NCAAs, because I think the odds of Crean scheduling us are less likely than him scheduling Bruce Pearl's UWM teams back in the day. But those comments do absolutely nothing to say that Cody is the best Zeller. The only way that will be determined is on the court, which means we are probably all best off shutting up on the topic and waiting to see where he's at in 2-3 years.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 12, 2010, 12:17:28 PM
Nope. But others have, including a few coaches I know that have said things like (paraphrasing) 'Cody has the highest upside', 'Cody might just be the best of the three boys', etc.
His high school coach said he's on pace to be the best shooter of the three brothers.
Or this, "Cody enters the season as a top candidate to take the 2011 Indiana Mr. Basketball award. This makes sense, considering several scouts favor Cody at this stage over his brothers, both of whom took the honor in their senior years." http://bleacherreport.com/articles/515149-ncaa-basketball-cody-zeller-signs-with-indiana-hoosiers
So, it's not your opinion, then, it is someone elses.
Of what I have seen of them, he may be the best shooter, but Tyler was a much better athlete at that stage, and Luke had the better post up game.
And as far as Mr. Basketball, I would take Teague over Zeller.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 12, 2010, 12:50:32 PM
waiting to see where he's at in 2-3 years.
My guess is that within three years either one or the other will be at IU but not both. My fervent hope is that Cody Zeller has a rewarding collegiate career. The next coach in Bloomington will stand a far better chance of bringing out the best in him as both a ball player and as a man.
Quote from: SalsaMan on November 12, 2010, 12:55:47 PM
My guess is that within three years either one or the other will be at IU but not both. My fervent hope is that Cody Zeller has a rewarding collegiate career. The next coach in Bloomington will stand a far better chance of bringing out the best in him as both a ball player and as a man.
See this is one area where we differ. I actually like IU as a program and think that Crean will do well. I think it benefitted both MU and Crean to part ways. I just do not see the need to contstantly defend him here. Nor do I see the need to keep namedropping, or hinting I know "things".
Quote from: indeelaw90 on November 12, 2010, 01:16:08 PM
See this is one area where we differ. I actually like IU as a program and think that Crean will do well. I think it benefitted both MU and Crean to part ways. I just do not see the need to contstantly defend him here. Nor do I see the need to keep namedropping, or hinting I know "things".
Amen. Well summarized, and I think Indiana will return to being an NCAA caliber program with TC as coach..though I'm not sure he will guide them to Elite 8's or Final Fours. Will consistent appearances and an occasional Sweet 16 be enough to keep the IU fans happy?
Quote from: Ners on November 12, 2010, 01:19:51 PM
Amen. Well summarized, and I think Indiana will return to being an NCAA caliber program with TC as coach..though I'm not sure he will guide them to Elite 8's or Final Fours. Will consistent appearances and an occasional Sweet 16 be enough to keep the IU fans happy?
No. At least not in the long-run.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 12, 2010, 09:29:18 AM
Was OC Wolverine or SocalMichigander not available?
Not sure. You would know. It was you posting on that site with that name.
Quote from: SalsaMan on November 12, 2010, 10:06:23 AM
Don't you get it? Cody is the best of the three since he was signed by the Bronzed Beast of Bloomington.
I hereby nominate this as the Official MUScoop Designation for our former coach. All threads and posts pertaining to TC should forthwith refer to him as the Bronzed Beast of Bloomington.
Can I get a 2nd?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on November 12, 2010, 03:38:37 PM
I hereby nominate this as the Official MUScoop Designation for our former coach. All threads and posts pertaining to TC should forthwith refer to him as the Bronzed Beast of Bloomington.
Can I get a 2nd?
I'll 2nd that :D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 12, 2010, 12:27:18 PM
You're right, it wasn't also down to the national runner-up and some second rate program called North Carolina. Prior to that he had offers from basically everyone that matters.
As usual SalsaMan, you're right.
You have to work on your comprehension. Nothing that Salsa says suggests that Zeller III wouldn't have been welcomed anywhere, as would have Zeller II and I. His assertion is that what makes Zeller III BETTER than his storied siblings (to some, at least) is his choice of Indiana. As usual, he is indeed right.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on November 12, 2010, 03:38:37 PM
I hereby nominate this as the Official MUScoop Designation for our former coach. All threads and posts pertaining to TC should forthwith refer to him as the Bronzed Beast of Bloomington.
Can I get a 2nd?
The Salsa Man has quickly become the 2nd funniest poster on scoop. There is a large gap to close before he overtakes ZiggyF*ckinFryBoy though.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on November 12, 2010, 05:34:54 PM
The Salsa Man has quickly become the 2nd funniest poster on scoop. There is a large gap to close before he overtakes ZiggyF*ckinFryBoy though.
+1
Quote from: ZiggysF*ckinFryBoy on November 12, 2010, 05:34:54 PM
The Salsa Man has quickly become the 2nd funniest poster on scoop. There is a large gap to close before he overtakes ZiggyF*ckinFryBoy though.
Hey F'in B, have use gotten your tit out of the ringer yet? KWarrior doesn't dig your humor.
Quote from: indeelaw90 on November 12, 2010, 01:16:08 PM
See this is one area where we differ. I actually like IU as a program and think that Crean will do well. I think it benefitted both MU and Crean to part ways. I just do not see the need to contstantly defend him here. Nor do I see the need to keep namedropping, or hinting I know "things".
Yea, given the high school basketball talent base in the state of Indiana and the tradition of the Hoosiers program, especially to kids in state, IMO it would take a poor head coach to not bring in enough talent that at worst is a regular participant in the NCAA Tournament.
Crean i don't think was the great recruiter while at Marquette that a lot of the national media made him out to be, but he certainly wasn't a bad recruiter either. So i expected him to eventually start landing some of the consistently good crop of kids that the state of Indiana churns out, thus his teams would get better.
We'll see though how it ends up resulting in finishes among the upper tier of the Big Ten. That conference now has a stable of high quality coaches with Izzo, Ryan, Weber, Matta, Painter, and Tubby. If Michigan and/or Iowa can get their programs back in order, the Big Ten will be a very very tough conference for quite awhile and Crean or anyone else will need a damn good team to crack the top 3-4 in the conference.