Tough weekend for Tommy Boy when he loses Chandler and Smith-Rivera to Xavier. While his address may be different, some things never change.
yeah, crean is a gem---but we need to be worrying about what recruits we can pull in. We need to land more quality players.
IU scout board says that they were no big loss, IU is already stocked at those positions. In another thread, one of the posters ranks MU fans among the most obnoxious. So we have that going for us.
I'm real proud of that distinction :-[
Quote from: tower912 on October 24, 2010, 04:31:59 PM
IU scout board says that they were no big loss, IU is already stocked at those positions. In another thread, one of the posters ranks MU fans among the most obnoxious. So we have that going for us.
Well, since Crean is the only common thing between IU and MU in the last few years, the MU comments are going to be universally negative so we would come off as obnoxious.
It has to be telling for them though and they might need to face reality. Not a single MU fan would chose to have Crean back, IU is horrible, and they cannot land their instate recruits. I don't care how low the bar should be set. Crean has been nothing but awful down there.
IU is stacked at center so they do not need Chandler? Ok...
Quote from: tower912 on October 24, 2010, 04:31:59 PM
IU scout board says that they were no big loss, IU is already stocked at those positions. In another thread, one of the posters ranks MU fans among the most obnoxious. So we have that going for us.
They're full of hot air. Both are instate kids. Chandler is 6'10" and rated the #4 center. The other dude is a junior and rated #3 shooting guard in the class. Each bent over and blew T-Cubed a kiss.
Quote from: tower912 on October 24, 2010, 04:31:59 PM
IU scout board says that they were no big loss
Can't believe no one has responded to this yet: Crean cooled on him.
BTW, by the title of this thread I thought it was going to be about UW and Xavier. I guess my pathological default for "State U" is Bucky.
Crean missed on Teague, Dawson, and Chandler. He still has a chance at Zeller. Even if he does get Zeller, the recruiting is still disappointing with all the PT available.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 24, 2010, 04:07:31 PM
Tough weekend for Tommy Boy when he loses Chandler and Smith-Rivera to Xavier. While his address may be different, some things never change.
Seems stupid to make fun of others' recruiting considering the summer Marquette had.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on October 24, 2010, 06:10:51 PM
Seems stupid to make fun of others' recruiting considering the summer Marquette had.
You are mad that Buzz landed a 4-star top 100 recruit and is likely a finalist for Hood and Shaw still? That is a bad summer?
Quote from: HoopsMalone on October 24, 2010, 04:40:02 PM
Well, since Crean is the only common thing between IU and MU in the last few years, the MU comments are going to be universally negative so we would come off as obnoxious.
It has to be telling for them though and they might need to face reality. Not a single MU fan would chose to have Crean back, IU is horrible, and they cannot land their instate recruits. I don't care how low the bar should be set. Crean has been nothing but awful down there.
IU is stacked at center so they do not need Chandler? Ok...
You'll certainly get no argument from this MU fan about choosing to have TC back, but several unabashed Crean fans on this board are not yet sold on Buzz.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 24, 2010, 04:07:31 PM
Tough weekend for Tommy Boy when he loses Chandler and Smith-Rivera to Xavier. While his address may be different, some things never change.
I understand the point of the title is to take a shot at Crean, but "Lowly X"??? All Xavier has done the last several years in the NCAA tourney is:
2002 Second Round
2003 Second Round
2004 Elite Eight
2006 First Round
2007 Second Round
2008 Elite Eight
2009 Sweet Sixteen
2010 Sweet Sixteen
We, and most schools, would love to have a track record like that. Far from "Lowly".
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on October 24, 2010, 06:10:51 PM
Seems stupid to make fun of others' recruiting considering the summer Marquette had.
What are you talking about?
Quote from: StillWarriors on October 24, 2010, 08:13:34 PM
I understand the point of the title is to take a shot at Crean, but "Lowly X"??? All Xavier has done the last several years in the NCAA tourney is:
2002 Second Round
2003 Second Round
2004 Elite Eight
2006 First Round
2007 Second Round
2008 Elite Eight
2009 Sweet Sixteen
2010 Sweet Sixteen
We, and most schools, would love to have a track record like that. Far from "Lowly".
But, Xavier, of the A-10, is not one of the top 5 programs of all time. "Its Indiana, its Indiana." The departed is finding it a little more difficult to recruit at than he anticipated. Maybe its not the place, but the person?
I like to read their board and see if they have the same complaints about Crean as we did and frankly I hope to see Crean not do well and regret leaving MU. Petty? Yes, but I don't really care. They seemed very high on Smith-Rivera. They are in on some good prospects, but they seemed pretty high on him and thought he was theirs. I don't remember reading a ton on Chandler so can't comment on that.
Also, you can't really compare the situations this summer for MU and IU. They have more playing time and in-state talent that are brought up to believe that IU is the only place to play basketball. It is like UW x10 from the sounds of it. They kept pointing out the home-grown kids in future classes as the area where they will make their comeback. So it is somewhat a big deal that they didn't get Smith-Rivera, I didn't read a ton on Chandler but the above poster said he was a pretty good looking center prospect, so I imagine it is a bigger deal than they are letting on. Zeller is the one they are keying on though. If he doesn't get Zeller (and everything sounds like Zeller to IU on their board), then things could get real interesting.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on October 24, 2010, 06:10:51 PM
Seems stupid to make fun of others' recruiting considering the summer Marquette had.
Are you serious? Wow...just wow.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 24, 2010, 07:58:15 PM
You'll certainly get no argument from this MU fan about choosing to have TC back, but several unabashed Crean fans on this board are not yet sold on Buzz.
Fair point, but even if you are not completely sold on Buzz, I doubt you would want Crean back. When Buzz leaves, we can do better. Crean already talked the administration into improving our facilities and spend money on the program. He already did what he is good at at MU, and I don't think we need someone to put in the 3 guard, hand it off for 25 seconds at the top of the key, and chuck the ball up offense.
One practical victory for MU is Chandler stayed out of the Big East. I think he was looking hard at Louisville for a while.
I like to root for the fellow Jesuits schools, so I am happy X got some good talent. Marquette, Xavier, and Gonzaga are all bball only Jesuit schools with great teams who rarely compete with each other. Its great to see schools like us do well. It was fun to play X last Thanksgiving and it might be fun to play the Zags in KC this year.
Lowly X? 4ever...you been inhaling the laughing gas again at the Dental school? ;)
Chandler is no big deal, if he's academically eligible next year it would surprise most people in the state of Indiana. Don't get me wrong, nice player but some serious grade issues. DSR is a kid IU would have liked to get but it all comes down to who you get instead. If IU ends up with Zeller and Ferrell, this will not even register. If they don't get them, then it's something to talk about.
I notice Purdue didn't land them either...nor did Butler.
I suspect Yogi will give a verbal fairly soon. If IU doesn't land Yogi, that will sting them.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 24, 2010, 07:58:15 PM
You'll certainly get no argument from this MU fan about choosing to have TC back, but several unabashed Crean fans on this board are not yet sold on Buzz.
Care to identify them? I don't know of any "Crean fans", let alone "unabashed" but since you often imply that myself and others are in that category you might as well come out and say it.
As for being sold on Buzz...every time I get really close he does something really stupid or behind the scenes embarrassing that makes me question his judgment. Hopefully he can go 365 days this time around without doing that.
Crean does have a decent 2012 class started with one in-state guard who looks good. He also snagged some verbals from kids who are freshman in high school.
I think he is crazy to go after 2014 kids since offering a kid based on his body of work in junior high just means that kid hit puberty before his peers most likely. It probably pleases the fanbase to see him get players with high rankings even if they have yet to play one second of even high school basketball.
It's tough to really judge this though. If you asked people in April 2007, a lot of IU people thought Crean would clean up the instate recruits by now. Does that mean one per year? All of them? No one took a position so people can look at these recruits as a success or failure in hindsight rather easily.
And if IU is such a great school to play at, wouldn't they eventually land 1 or 2 four star players regardless of who is coaching? Or is the situation so bad at IU that no one would want to go there so it wouldn't matter who is doing the recruiting anyway? It's really hard to judge Crean's job based on those two competing factors I think.
I think Crean in the Zellar situation might find out the same lesson that Bo/Buzz are about to find out next year with Tokoto. Going to a local school is nice, but when you go to North Carolina who can be a bench player and still make the lottery so you might as well give yourself the best shot at a title.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 24, 2010, 11:45:39 PM
As for being sold on Buzz...every time I get really close he does something really stupid or behind the scenes embarrassing that makes me question his judgment. Hopefully he can go 365 days this time around without doing that.
Agreed. He has not been perfect. I chalk all of his mistakes up to "this is the downside of hiring someone with no experience" rather than thinking Buzz has any permanent flaws. I hope that all of these close games were enough of a crash course for him in the X's and O's department for his judgment. I think we will start winning a lot more close games rather than half based on Buzz being better at X's and O's. We talk about the better recruiting/more depth/more size relative to what we have had, but we also have a coach who is improving as well.
Also, in his recruiting mistakes, I hope that he will do better now that he does not have to recruit massive classes. Finding a seventh person to fill a Big East recruiting class would be tough for anyone. That is where Buzz made his mistakes and he is very unlikely to be in that spot again. If he is, then that means he put a lot of underclassmen into the NBA so that would be nice.
I hope he proves me right and can fit your 365 day standard.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 24, 2010, 11:45:39 PM
Care to identify them? I don't know of any "Crean fans", let alone "unabashed" but since you often imply that myself and others are in that category you might as well come out and say it.
As for being sold on Buzz...every time I get really close he does something really stupid or behind the scenes embarrassing that makes me question his judgment. Hopefully he can go 365 days this time around without doing that.
Hoops said that no MU fan would trade Buzz for Crean. You are an MU fan. You were sold on Crean. You're not yet sold on Buzz. Until you and others who have expressed similar opinions state otherwise, it's simple logic to conclude you would prefer TC. I'm sure if the day comes when you prefer Buzz you'll let us know.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2010, 11:05:59 AM
Hoops said that no MU fan would trade Buzz for Crean. You are an MU fan. You were sold on Crean. You're not yet sold on Buzz. Until you and others who have expressed similar opinions state otherwise, it's simple logic to conclude you would prefer TC. I'm sure if the day comes when you prefer Buzz you'll let us know.
I'll probably get roasted for this comment, but I'll say it.
I prefer the Final 4 and Dwyane Wade to anything Buzz has done (yet).
/ducks and prepares for the rage
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2010, 11:05:59 AM
Hoops said that no MU fan would trade Buzz for Crean. You are an MU fan. You were sold on Crean. You're not yet sold on Buzz. Until you and others who have expressed similar opinions state otherwise, it's simple logic to conclude you would prefer TC. I'm sure if the day comes when you prefer Buzz you'll let us know.
Your logic leaves a ton to be desired. Read what you just wrote and try again.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on October 25, 2010, 12:52:48 PM
I'll probably get roasted for this comment, but I'll say it.
I prefer the Final 4 and Dwyane Wade to anything Buzz has done (yet).
/ducks and prepares for the rage
I won't roast you for your comment. I disagree, but appreciate your honesty. At this point, you would trade Buzz for Crean, something Hoops tought no MU fan would do.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2010, 01:53:20 PM
I won't roast you for your comment. I disagree, but appreciate your honesty. At this point, you would trade Buzz for Crean, something Hoops tought no MU fan would do.
Not exactly what I meant.
I'm saying the idea of trading 1 for the other (although impossible and absurd) shouldn't be an absolute slam dunk like some you are implying.
I really like what Buzz has done so far, and his ceiling in coaching might be very high. He also seems like a pretty good guy, which I like as well.
But, the other guy has some pretty good stuff on his resume, so let's not discount that and act like he's Jerry Wainwright or something.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 25, 2010, 12:57:24 PM
Your logic leaves a ton to be desired. Read what you just wrote and try again.
I think it's logical to prefer a guy you're "sold on" (Crean in your case) to a guy about whom you have misgivings or doubts (Buzz in your case). If you find this not to be the case please explain why rather than just making dirisive or dismissive comments.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2010, 01:53:20 PM
I won't roast you for your comment. I disagree, but appreciate your honesty. At this point, you would trade Buzz for Crean, something Hoops tought no MU fan would do.
No...that isn't true. To date, Crean's MU accomplishments have been better than Buzz's. If given a choice between the two's accomplishments at MU, I would choose Crean's.
However, I think the future of MU basketball looks like it *might* be better under Buzz than it was under Crean.
So I would not make that trade.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on October 25, 2010, 02:16:23 PM
Not exactly what I meant.
I'm saying the idea of trading 1 for the other (although impossible and absurd) shouldn't be an absolute slam dunk like some you are implying.
I really like what Buzz has done so far, and his ceiling in coaching might be very high. He also seems like a pretty good guy, which I like as well.
But, the other guy has some pretty good stuff on his resume, so let's not discount that and act like he's Jerry Wainwright or something.
You're taking the "trading" concept too literally. Hoops point was that all MU fans are grateful that Buzz is leading the program and are glad it's him rather than TC. I think he's right about the vast majority of MU fans but not all of them. You are one of the exceptions and that's OK.
Oh, and as one who categoricallily and unabashedly prefers Buzz, I've never dismissed TC's resume or compared him to the likes of Jerry Wainwright. That's a strawman in this discussion.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 25, 2010, 02:21:51 PM
No...that isn't true. To date, Crean's MU accomplishments have been better than Buzz's. If given a choice between the two's accomplishments at MU, I would choose Crean's.
However, I think the future of MU basketball looks like it *might* be better under Buzz than it was under Crean.
So I would not make that trade.
You say that the future of MU basketball *might* be better under Buzz than it was under Crean. Of course it *might* be and of course it *might* not be. Those are both givens and amount to totally neutral statements. If, however, you believe that the future of MU basketball *will* be better under Buzz (presumably based on what you've seen of his coaching, recruiting, character,etc) you've got yourself a reason for not making the trade.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2010, 02:34:44 PM
You're taking the "trading" concept too literally. Hoops point was that all MU fans are grateful that Buzz is leading the program and are glad it's him rather than TC. I think he's right about the vast majority of MU fans but not all of them. You are one of the exceptions and that's OK.
Oh, and as one who categoricallily and unabashedly prefers Buzz, I've never dismissed TC's resume or compared him to the likes of Jerry Wainwright. That's a strawman in this discussion.
Alright, well, then I think I'm misunderstanding this discussion and retract my statement(s).
Go Buzz.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2010, 02:54:19 PM
You say that the future of MU basketball *might* be better under Buzz than it was under Crean. Of course it *might* be and of course it *might* not be. Those are both givens and amount to totally neutral statements. If, however, you believe that the future of MU basketball *will* be better under Buzz (presumably based on what you've seen of his coaching, recruiting, character,etc) you've got yourself a reason for not making the trade.
If I say I *believe* the future of MU basketball *will* be better, it is a neutral statement as well. I have no way of knowing if Buzz's future accomplishments will be better than Crean's past accomplishments. However, if I were a betting man, I would take Buzz's future over Crean's past.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on October 24, 2010, 07:15:33 PM
You are mad that Buzz landed a 4-star top 100 recruit and is likely a finalist for Hood and Shaw still? That is a bad summer?
I didn't write I was mad nor wrote it was a bad summer. I'm not sure why you added those qualifiers.
My point was, to make fun of others' recruiting misses when Marquette has missed some of their top targets seems stupid.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 25, 2010, 03:25:20 PM
If I say I *believe* the future of MU basketball *will* be better, it is a neutral statement as well. I have no way of knowing if Buzz's future accomplishments will be better than Crean's past accomplishments. However, if I were a betting man, I would take Buzz's future over Crean's past.
Sorry to get into it over semantics, but I disagree. Believing that something will happen is anything but neutral, while acknowledging that something might happen is.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2010, 02:17:29 PM
I think it's logical to prefer a guy you're "sold on" (Crean in your case) to a guy about whom you have misgivings or doubts (Buzz in your case). If you find this not to be the case please explain why rather than just making dirisive or dismissive comments.
I apologize for making comments you found dirisive or dismissive, but as I've said time and again to you, I don't appreciate it when you declare someone is FOR or AGAINST someone or how they are thinking about a specific comment, person, etc. Often times it's the language you use.
I wouldn't say at all that I'm a fan of Crean, in fact I would categorically state that as an untruth. I recognize what he did for MU, the conditions of the program when he started and how he left it. He got a lot done along the way. Buzz, in my opinion, starts off in a MUCH BETTER situation than Crean did and has yet to accomplish anything more than Crean despite that head start (Big East vs C-USA, the Al vs the Gym, NIT team vs consistent NCAA team, etc, etc).
That doesn't mean I don't like the future. That doesn't mean I think Buzz is less than Crean. That doesn't mean Buzz is flawed. The problem is that you take the conversation into that realm. It's not an either or situation. It is especially illlogical to say because one is a known quantity (we have his past results) that we automatically prefer those results to what may happen in the future. This is why your logic, in my opinion, is flawed. It is quite logical, in my opinion, to appreciate the past but be hopeful for the future and even optimistic toward the future. Now, it seems for some posters, that requires a blood oath, secret handshake and several acts of self pleasure that we're in love with current coach in every possible way, shape and form or be forever stained and branded with some scarlet letters of TC Fan Boy on your chest.
I'll say what I have from the beginning. He's doing well so far. If he can continue to win, go to the NCAA, graduate nearly all his athletes, keep us out of NCAA doghouse, etc....I'll be a fan for life. He has to do that for a number of years, however, and two years isn't enough for me.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 24, 2010, 11:42:24 PM
Lowly X? 4ever...you been inhaling the laughing gas again at the Dental school? ;)
OK, fine then, Xavier is middle of the road.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2010, 06:40:58 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 24, 2010, 11:42:24 PM
Lowly X? 4ever...you been inhaling the laughing gas again at the Dental school? ;)
OK, fine then, Xavier is middle of the road.
I know you started this whole thing to make a funny but you do realize that Xavier's success, year in and year out, over the last decade blows Marquette out of the water, right?
Just want to be sure there's some semblance of brain behind the constant humorless sarcasm. :-\
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on October 25, 2010, 06:46:34 PM
I know you started this whole thing to make a funny but you do realize that Xavier's success, year in and year out, over the last decade blows Marquette out of the water, right?
Just want to be sure there's some semblance of brain behind the constant humorless sarcasm. :-\
4ever humorless? I sure wouldn't want you in the front row for my debut at Zanies.
I think this is a well thought out entry on the team and staff. I'm sure not all will agree with it, but it can stand on it's own merits.
http://kevinshanley.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/2010-2011-expectations/
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 24, 2010, 04:07:31 PM
Tough weekend for Tommy Boy when he loses Chandler and Smith-Rivera to Xavier. While his address may be different, some things never change.
Chandler decommits from Xavier...his second decommitment this year.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/11/11/chandler-decommits-from-xavier/
Considering UCONN and Providence now
The 2012 class will also likely include Yogi Ferrell, and either Gary Harris or Jeremy Hollowell. Only one of those nine kids is going to a high school outside the state of Indiana.
2011 – Cody Zeller, Austin Etherington
2012 – Hanner Perea, Peter Jurkin, Ron Patterson
2013 – Collin Hartman, Devin Davis
2014 – Tre Lyles, James Blackmon Jr.
Kind of kills this thread and 90% of the conversation in it
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 23, 2010, 04:49:14 PM
The 2012 class will also likely include Yogi Ferrell, and either Gary Harris or Jeremy Hollowell. Only one of those nine kids is going to a high school outside the state of Indiana.
2011 – Cody Zeller, Austin Etherington
2012 – Hanner Perea, Peter Jurkin, Ron Patterson
2013 – Collin Hartman, Devin Davis
2014 – Tre Lyles, James Blackmon Jr.
Kind of kills this thread and 90% of the conversation in it
Are there any other programs which have 7 or more "commitments" for 2012 and beyond at this point in time? Any others with 4 commits for 2013 and beyond? If not, what does that say about I4? Just ahead of the curve? Unique practice? Does it make sense?
I'm not sure of all the reasons behind it... but the answer is probably and simply, II!!!!, II!!!!
Quote from: StillWarriors on October 24, 2010, 08:13:34 PM
I understand the point of the title is to take a shot at Crean, but "Lowly X"??? All Xavier has done the last several years in the NCAA tourney is:
2002 Second Round
2003 Second Round
2004 Elite Eight
2006 First Round
2007 Second Round
2008 Elite Eight
2009 Sweet Sixteen
2010 Sweet Sixteen
We, and most schools, would love to have a track record like that. Far from "Lowly".
I agree completely
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 23, 2010, 04:57:41 PM
Are there any other programs which have 7 or more "commitments" for 2012 and beyond at this point in time? Any others with 4 commits for 2013 and beyond? If not, what does that say about I4? Just ahead of the curve? Unique practice? Does it make sense?
I'm not sure of all the reasons behind it... but the answer is probably and simply, II!!!!, II!!!!
Time will tell if it makes sense. No doubt some will decide not to go there or the school will decide for them (hopefully before accepting a national letter of intent)
One advantage of the strategy is the momentum it has created. Purdue is cramping themselves right now as most of the in state talent is verballling without them. Question is, will they honor their commitment and vice versa a few years out
Quote from: HoopsMalone on October 25, 2010, 12:13:43 AM
Crean does have a decent 2012 class started with one in-state guard who looks good. He also snagged some verbals from kids who are freshman in high school.
I think he is crazy to go after 2014 kids since offering a kid based on his body of work in junior high just means that kid hit puberty before his peers most likely. It probably pleases the fanbase to see him get players with high rankings even if they have yet to play one second of even high school basketball.
TJ Schlundt threw in 14 points (1st game, freshman) for Oconomowoc last night. Let's get in on that!!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2010, 02:34:44 PM
You're taking the "trading" concept too literally. Hoops point was that all MU fans are grateful that Buzz is leading the program and are glad it's him rather than TC. I think he's right about the vast majority of MU fans but not all of them. You are one of the exceptions and that's OK.
Oh, and as one who categoricallily and unabashedly prefers Buzz, I've never dismissed TC's resume or compared him to the likes of Jerry Wainwright. That's a strawman in this discussion.
I would prefer we still had Crean as head coach and Buzz as his primary recruiting assistant.
1. We wouldn't have a turnover-by-committee point guard--we would have Tyshawn Taylor, with his 7.5 apg average and a 6:1 assist to turnover ratio.
2. Instead of a inconsistent frosh getting major minutes inside, we would have Trevor Mbakwe averaging a near double-double.
3. Instead of wondering where in the ball is going for any shot outside the arc, we would at least have Christopherson as a zone-busting threat keeping defenses honest. He's 68.8% on three point attempts this year. BTW, I don't buy the theory that he's a defensive sieve--MU's 3 point defense % is 39.2. Iowa State's is 28.6.
Furthermore, the last two games have exposed the fallacy of "Buzz is a much better X's and O's coach". Both Crean and Buzz have had close games against Mike Krzyszewski and Mark Few--Crean beat Few in Alaska, and was 1-1 against Duke Buzz was 0-2 combined this week. And keep in mind that most people think that we've significantly UPGRADED our talent over what Crean had.
Now consider that we would still had Buzz as our #1 recruiting assistant. Presumably Buzz still would have found DJO and Buycks and Crowder and Blue.
And Jamil WIlson probably would have committed to MU directly out of school rather than transferring from Oregon and sitting out this year.
So imagine this week if we had a lineup of
Taylor
DJO
Wilson
Crowder
Mbakwe
Blue as 6th man
Christopherson off the bench to bust zones
Buycks as a backup to DJO and Taylor.
Otule getting backup minutes to Mbakwe.
Deep bench of Fulce, Williams, Hazel. and Smith.
With that lineup, I could live without Butler, Jones, and Cadougan
great analysis - other than the tan a-hole abandoned MU for II,II making all this conjecture non-sense...
Quote from: Marquette84 on November 24, 2010, 05:11:21 PM
I would prefer we still had Crean as head coach and Buzz as his primary recruiting assistant.
1. We wouldn't have a turnover-by-committee point guard--we would have Tyshawn Taylor, with his 7.5 apg average and a 6:1 assist to turnover ratio.
2. Instead of a inconsistent frosh getting major minutes inside, we would have Trevor Mbakwe averaging a near double-double.
3. Instead of wondering where in the ball is going for any shot outside the arc, we would at least have Christopherson as a zone-busting threat keeping defenses honest. He's 68.8% on three point attempts this year. BTW, I don't buy the theory that he's a defensive sieve--MU's 3 point defense % is 39.2. Iowa State's is 28.6.
Furthermore, the last two games have exposed the fallacy of "Buzz is a much better X's and O's coach". Both Crean and Buzz have had close games against Mike Krzyszewski and Mark Few--Crean beat Few in Alaska, and was 1-1 against Duke Buzz was 0-2 combined this week. And keep in mind that most people think that we've significantly UPGRADED our talent over what Crean had.
Now consider that we would still had Buzz as our #1 recruiting assistant. Presumably Buzz still would have found DJO and Buycks and Crowder and Blue.
And Jamil WIlson probably would have committed to MU directly out of school rather than transferring from Oregon and sitting out this year.
So imagine this week if we had a lineup of
Taylor
DJO
Wilson
Crowder
Mbakwe
Blue as 6th man
Christopherson off the bench to bust zones
Buycks as a backup to DJO and Taylor.
Otule getting backup minutes to Mbakwe.
Deep bench of Fulce, Williams, Hazel. and Smith.
With that lineup, I could live without Butler, Jones, and Cadougan
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20101124/SPORTS04/311240075/IU+basketball+keeps+the+commitments+rolling++adds+Yogi+Ferrell
Quote from: madtownwarrior on November 24, 2010, 07:09:53 PM
great analysis - other than the tan a-hole abandoned MU for II,II making all this conjecture non-sense...
LOL
Abandonded? Didn't he leave us with Buzz and lobbied hard for him to get the job?
Didn't he leave us with 4 of the top 10 scorers in MU history on the roster?
Look, he thought he could do better at Indiana and he's right. He just landed some of the best players in the country that he may have landed 3 or 4 of them at Marquette. That's the reality of it.
Gave us 9 years and we would not be in the Big East, would not have a Final Four in this century, would not have Dwyane Wade, etc, etc....some abandonment. LOL
Quote from: Marquette84 on November 24, 2010, 05:11:21 PM
I would prefer we still had Crean as head coach and Buzz as his primary recruiting assistant.
1. We wouldn't have a turnover-by-committee point guard--we would have Tyshawn Taylor, with his 7.5 apg average and a 6:1 assist to turnover ratio.
2. Instead of a inconsistent frosh getting major minutes inside, we would have Trevor Mbakwe averaging a near double-double.
3. Instead of wondering where in the ball is going for any shot outside the arc, we would at least have Christopherson as a zone-busting threat keeping defenses honest. He's 68.8% on three point attempts this year. BTW, I don't buy the theory that he's a defensive sieve--MU's 3 point defense % is 39.2. Iowa State's is 28.6.
Furthermore, the last two games have exposed the fallacy of "Buzz is a much better X's and O's coach". Both Crean and Buzz have had close games against Mike Krzyszewski and Mark Few--Crean beat Few in Alaska, and was 1-1 against Duke Buzz was 0-2 combined this week. And keep in mind that most people think that we've significantly UPGRADED our talent over what Crean had.
Now consider that we would still had Buzz as our #1 recruiting assistant. Presumably Buzz still would have found DJO and Buycks and Crowder and Blue.
And Jamil WIlson probably would have committed to MU directly out of school rather than transferring from Oregon and sitting out this year.
So imagine this week if we had a lineup of
Taylor
DJO
Wilson
Crowder
Mbakwe
Blue as 6th man
Christopherson off the bench to bust zones
Buycks as a backup to DJO and Taylor.
Otule getting backup minutes to Mbakwe.
Deep bench of Fulce, Williams, Hazel. and Smith.
With that lineup, I could live without Butler, Jones, and Cadougan
You're kidding, right?
Chicos - nothing is stopping you from following Crean to Indiana to kiss his ass there...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 24, 2010, 08:46:51 PM
LOL
Abandonded? Didn't he leave us with Buzz and lobbied hard for him to get the job?
Didn't he leave us with 4 of the top 10 scorers in MU history on the roster?
Look, he thought he could do better at Indiana and he's right. He just landed some of the best players in the country that he may have landed 3 or 4 of them at Marquette. That's the reality of it.
Gave us 9 years and we would not be in the Big East, would not have a Final Four in this century, would not have Dwyane Wade, etc, etc....some abandonment. LOL
Quote from: madtownwarrior on November 24, 2010, 09:44:12 PM
Chicos - nothing is stopping you from following Crean to Indiana to kiss his ass there...
You miss the point.
1) I am already an IU alum and do cheer for IU but it's such a distant distant team for me, way way way way behind Marquette. Not even in the same zip code. I will always cheer for MU over IU.
2) I take joy in exposing the complete hypocrisy here. For as much as the d-bags here have crapper on certain posters, you bet I enjoy showing their hypocrisy and how cluelessly wrong they are. Nothing better then exposing a hypocritical bag of douche....especially in light of their personal attacks against some folks on this board. Absolutely nothing better.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 24, 2010, 10:01:35 PM
You miss the point.
1) I am already an IU alum and do cheer for IU but it's such a distant distant team for me, way way way way behind Marquette. Not even in the same zip code. I will always cheer for MU over IU.
2) I take joy in exposing the complete hypocrisy here. For as much as the d-bags here have crapper on certain posters, you bet I enjoy showing their hypocrisy and how cluelessly wrong they are. Nothing better then exposing a hypocritical bag of douche....especially in light of their personal attacks against some folks on this board. Absolutely nothing better.
To clarify, I offer the opinion, Chicos, that sex is better.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2010, 10:03:43 PM
To clarify, I offer the opinion, Chicos, that sex is better.
Careful, now. The mods PM us non-Chicos folks when someone disagrees with him. You're messing with a protected species.
4ever...you always make me laugh...I mean that seriously.
You are not one of the people I was referencing
And yes, sex is better. I'll move exposing douchebaggery hypocrites to #2 immediately
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on November 24, 2010, 10:01:35 PM
You miss the point.
1) I am already an IU alum and do cheer for IU but it's such a distant distant team for me, way way way way behind Marquette. Not even in the same zip code. I will always cheer for MU over IU.
2) I take joy in exposing the complete hypocrisy here. For as much as the d-bags here have crapper on certain posters, you bet I enjoy showing their hypocrisy and how cluelessly wrong they are. Nothing better then exposing a hypocritical bag of douche....especially in light of their personal attacks against some folks on this board. Absolutely nothing better.
This last paragraph is so sad. "Joy" in exposing what you consider hypocrisy on a basketball message board? And there's "absolutely nothing better"? Wow.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 24, 2010, 10:37:34 PM
This last paragraph is so sad. "Joy" in exposing what you consider hypocrisy on a basketball message board? And there's "absolutely nothing better"? Wow.
I give what I get Lenny. People have gotten personal with me (and others) for the last several years, private emails, public statements that are totally untrue, etc....so exposing some of these frauds is fun. I don't deny it.