Duke is really filling up before Miller can sign.
With Rivers signing at Duke they have at least four verbals now (and one heck a class actually). http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/150
So, there are four verbals and three seniors as of now. There is always the possibility of one player leaving early, but Smith and Singler will take so many shots that it will be hard for more than one other person to stand out at Duke this year.
Coach K has really done well recruiting, but is there going to be room for Miller and his friend? Will someone get K'd up?
But seriously, with Duke filling up, Miller is very unlikely to be able to play with his buddy at Duke it would seem.
There's a great school, rich in basketball tradition, about 800 miles or so northwest of Duke. I think he can find a spot there and really stand out and shine. Might be room for his buddy too :)
GO MARQUETTE!!
I never got the impression that Duke was an option for Bello. They are already loaded at guard for the next few years with players who are probably better than Bello. If Miller wants to play at Duke, I'm sure he will have a spot, but I highly doubt Coach K will be taking any package deals.
If Miller wants to play with Bello, it seems Marquette or Baylor are the best options. Speaking of which, no word yet out of Baylor after their visit this weekend. No news is good news.
Quote from: MarkCharles on October 04, 2010, 04:55:07 PM
I never got the impression that Duke was an option for Bello. They are already loaded at guard for the next few years with players who are probably better than Bello. If Miller wants to play at Duke, I'm sure he will have a spot, but I highly doubt Coach K will be taking any package deals.
If Miller wants to play with Bello, it seems Marquette or Baylor are the best options. Speaking of which, no word yet out of Baylor after their visit this weekend. No news is good news.
I can tell you that a friend of mine showed me some pics of Quincy and Deuce at the Baylor football game this past Saturday..and on the field the cheerleaders had signs with Quincy's and Deuce's names - they both looked to be enjoying it..as did Scott Drew.
Cheerleaders + signs with their names on them? How do we compete with that?
If these two are serious about being a combo, what schools are they looking at that are like us, in terms of absolutely having room for both of them?
I know Pitino doesn't, and now Duke is looking less likely to have to spots, and Baylor seems to be involved with everyone and their mother. Any chance MU is the logical place for them to go as a combo?
Quote from: Ners on October 04, 2010, 05:27:05 PM
I can tell you that a friend of mine showed me some pics of Quincy and Deuce at the Baylor football game this past Saturday..and on the field the cheerleaders had signs with Quincy's and Deuce's names - they both looked to be enjoying it..as did Scott Drew.
Thats crazy, and kind of hilarious. It has to be pretty easy to get a big head if you are a top 50 recruit. Hopefully these kids have good heads on their shoulders and solid family/coaches behind them.
I can't phantom how Baylor continues to recruit like they have, Baptist university in Waco, never been to Waco but can't imagine it is a great place. Perhaps it is ignorance but I just don't get it.
Quote from: mikem91288 on October 04, 2010, 05:38:23 PM
Cheerleaders + signs with their names on them? How do we compete with that?
If these two are serious about being a combo, what schools are they looking at that are like us, in terms of absolutely having room for both of them?
I know Pitino doesn't, and now Duke is looking less likely to have to spots, and Baylor seems to be involved with everyone and their mother. Any chance MU is the logical place for them to go as a combo?
Baylor has 1 senior coming off the books and a likely one-and-done in Perry Jones, so likely 2 openings. They currently have 1 verballed player. So room for them would likely not be an issue, as I'm sure they could find one scholarship if needed for these two studs.
Oklahoma also has 1 senior and 1 verbal, but I doubt they would have trouble finding room, given that they are rebuilding their roster. They just brought in an 8-man 2010 class of mostly unheralded players, so there would be some possible candidates to be shown the door right there, whoever doesn't catch on this year.
Duke would likely find room for Miller, Bello is doubtful.
Louisville is over by 1 already, but would surely find room. Rodney Hood is priority #1 for them right now, and some (such as IWB) think they are not in as good of a position with Miller right now as they were a month ago.
Marquette seems like the logical place in terms of availability.
However, I doubt this weighs heavily in recruits' minds. I would guess it is a very inward-looking decision for a recruit and they will let the coach sort the mess out. I would guess this will play no role in either of their decisions, as long as they are told by the coaches that they have a spot waiting for them.
Quote from: sailwi on October 04, 2010, 05:53:32 PM
I can't phantom how Baylor continues to recruit like they have, Baptist university in Waco, never been to Waco but can't imagine it is a great place. Perhaps it is ignorance but I just don't get it.
hahaha "I can't phantom..." That sounds like something Michael Scott would say. Not trying to make fun of you, I'm sure it was a spellcheck error. That one just made me laugh.
To answer your question, I'd say the biggest factor is Scott Drew, one of the best young coaches in America.
Quote from: sailwi on October 04, 2010, 05:53:32 PM
I can't phantom how Baylor continues to recruit like they have, Baptist university in Waco, never been to Waco but can't imagine it is a great place. Perhaps it is ignorance but I just don't get it.
Waco is in the middle of nowhere and difficult to get to.
Quote from: sailwi on October 04, 2010, 05:53:32 PM
I can't phantom how Baylor continues to recruit like they have, Baptist university in Waco, never been to Waco but can't imagine it is a great place. Perhaps it is ignorance but I just don't get it.
And what, Milwaukee is a garden spot? Marquette, like Baylor, has a religious affiliation and is located in a so-so at best city. Are you somehow suggesting being Catholic is better than being Baptist?
The longer this goes with Miller, the more I feel we have a good chance. Of the schools he is really interested in, we seem to be the only one that can take him and Bello without any need to shuffle other recruits, and as Louisville and Duke look less and less likely, it improves our odds. I just hope we can actually get them on campus. With Miller's personality and Duke's full class, maybe he'll decide he should visit us for Madness instead of them :D
Quote from: TheTasteofGarlic on October 04, 2010, 06:16:19 PM
And what, Milwaukee is a garden spot? Marquette, like Baylor, has a religious affiliation and is located in a so-so at best city. Are you somehow suggesting being Catholic is better than being Baptist?
Milwaukee may not be Paris, but it looks pretty sweet standing next to Waco.
Cmon guys seriously? Waco is decent enough when you are a college basketball player. I mean, if location were all that important to a player, would Kansas be a national power? Gonzaga?
Waco, while only about a 1.5 hour drive south of Dallas-Fort Worth...is a pretty sh$tty town. The only thing it has going for it over MU is warm weather (and the girls might be slightly better looking) - but from a campus beauty perspective, city atmosphere, facilities...hands down Marquette/Milwaukee win. I know some don't think MU's campus is "beautiful" but it is a very nice, urban campus now after all of the redevelopment.
Scott Drew has done a phenomonal job down there, but to me put him and Buzz in a room and Buzz is MUCH more of a presence. Scott Drew kind of has a happy go lucky disposition, even a little geeky..but he is effective.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 04, 2010, 06:28:24 PM
Milwaukee may not be Paris, but it looks pretty sweet standing next to Waco.
Waco was heaven on earth according to David Koresh.
Waco is a pretty poor town but Baylor's campus is really nice...lots of new buildings and development over the past 10-15 years.
C'mon guys look a little closer at the roster before you start making comments about it filling up. Duke is only using 10 scholarships this year, the other two guys on their roster are walk ons. They lose two to graduation, which means they have five available for next year, and that's assuming no one transfers and no one decides to leave early(Irving). They don't have to find a spot for Miller, one already exists.
As for Bello, Duke hasn't been recruiting him in quite some time. If Miller were to go to Duke, he wouldn't be taking Bello with him. Miller knows that and still has Duke on his list, so that should say quite a bit about how much he likes them.
Quote from: TheTasteofGarlic on October 04, 2010, 06:40:33 PM
Waco was heaven on earth according to David Koresh.
Until Janet Reno arrived.
graphic.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on October 04, 2010, 08:59:44 PM
You guys really think Coack K gives a crap about a player packaging himself with another player? I'll bet anything these two sign with different teams. Any coach that signs both (which i obviously think is highly unlikely) probably got on his kness and sucked them both off.
My guess is that all but a very few programs would leap at the chance to get the number 2 player and his top50-60 sidekick as a package. Boeheim would break out the kneepads from his playing days if he thought it would help.
Doubt it. He locked up Christmas and will supposedly has Dejuan Coleman in 2012. Youre talking about the same Boeheim that told Wroten to take a hike, right? Sorry, but I know a lot more about all the BE teams' recruiting than you do.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on October 04, 2010, 09:15:14 PM
Doubt it. He locked up Christmas and will supposedly has Dejuan Coleman in 2012. Youre talking about the same Boeheim that told Wroten to take a hike, right? Sorry, but I know a lot more about all the BE teams' recruiting than you do.
Then why don't you do us all a favor, and take your act to the other 15 schools message board? I'm quite sure we can get our Syracuse updates as needed on our own..not that many of us actually care.
Actually Ners, he didn't bring up Syracuse....Lennys Tap did. I appreciate the fact that he corrected him. Don't fall back into your "you're not Marquette enough" mode OK???
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on October 04, 2010, 09:15:14 PM
Doubt it. He locked up Christmas and will supposedly has Dejuan Coleman in 2012. Youre talking about the same Boeheim that told Wroten to take a hike, right? Sorry, but I know a lot more about all the BE teams' recruiting than you do.
I guess you're free to doubt it since Miller and Bello have zero interest in Syracuse. I'm sure you know more about BE recruiting than me. I'm equally sure you have less knowledge than me about any subject in which I have more than a passing interest. Have a nice day.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 04, 2010, 09:53:46 PM
Actually Ners, he didn't bring up Syracuse....Lennys Tap did. I appreciate the fact that he corrected him. Don't fall back into your "you're not Marquette enough" mode OK???
You appreciate the fact that who corrected whom and how?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 04, 2010, 09:53:46 PM
Actually Ners, he didn't bring up Syracuse....Lennys Tap did. I appreciate the fact that he corrected him. Don't fall back into your "you're not Marquette enough" mode OK???
Well, this is a Marquette Basketball message board - and having the continual aloof, arrogant and unsolicited posts of our Syracuse friend goodgreatgrand - is enough for me to break out my "you're not Marquette enough" mode. Sorry, I cannot accomodate your request in this case Sultan.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 04, 2010, 10:00:03 PM
I guess you're free to doubt it since Miller and Bello have zero interest in Syracuse. I'm sure you know more about BE recruiting than me. I'm equally sure you have less knowledge than me about any subject in which I have more than a passing interest. Have a nice day.
I guess I'll leave now.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on October 04, 2010, 10:19:00 PM
Lovely. Graduated from MU in 3 years. Masters from Cornell. Currently a bulge bracket investment banker on the buy-side in the travel/leisure industry. No, I didnt grow up in tosa or brookfield; i grew up in nyc...where there actually are 'cracked sidewalks.' Yes, im arrogant, smarter than you, could frack your girlfriend if i wanted to and probably crap on folks like you on a regular basis. if you like al mcguire, you cant hate me.
Bitch.
Milwaukee was a nice, prolonged vacation for me. You? You're a fracking townie.
Business must be really slow for you..as my good friend who is an Investment Banker with Credit Suisse in L.A. barely has time to return a text message. You on the other hand..can post here multiple times per day, apparently know more about all 16 teams in the Big East's recruiting efforts, hone your amazing fall away 3 point jump shot. My guess, if you have to resort to making such an asinine post as the above...you are likely the furthest thing from what you profess to be. That said, thank you for continuing to make yourself look like a COMPLETE tool.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on October 04, 2010, 10:19:00 PM
Lovely. Graduated from MU in 3 years. Masters from Cornell. Currently a bulge bracket investment banker on the buy-side in the travel/leisure industry. No, I didnt grow up in tosa or brookfield; i grew up in nyc...where there actually are 'cracked sidewalks.' Yes, im arrogant, smarter than you, could frack your girlfriend if i wanted to and probably crap on folks like you on a regular basis. if you like al mcguire, you cant hate me.
Bitch.
Milwaukee was a nice, prolonged vacation for me. You? You're a fracking townie.
I did like Al McGuire. If you think you're anything like him your sadly mistaken. He was a true gentleman whose close friends included guys like Dick Enberg, Ray Meyer and Hank Raymonds. He despised braggerts, phonies and the vile and vulgar. He would have been disgusted by what you just wrote.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on October 04, 2010, 11:01:41 PM
Oh yeah? You know him personally? Am I talking to a 50+ year old or a poser from Tosa? I'll guess the latter.
Btw, NYC is not for you, pal.
You guess wrong.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on October 04, 2010, 10:19:00 PM
Lovely. Graduated from MU in 3 years. Masters from Cornell. Currently a bulge bracket investment banker on the buy-side in the travel/leisure industry. No, I didnt grow up in tosa or brookfield; i grew up in nyc...where there actually are 'cracked sidewalks.' Yes, im arrogant, smarter than you, could frack your girlfriend if i wanted to and probably crap on folks like you on a regular basis. if you like al mcguire, you cant hate me.
Bitch.
Milwaukee was a nice, prolonged vacation for me. You? You're a fracking townie.
bigeastbailout
I bet that felt really, really good for someone like you to write. I bet you deliver a very similar pitch to girls at all the awesome NYC clubs you go to. Good for you.
Seriously, you bring nothing to this (or the jsonline) board except arrogance and negativity. Whenever you feel the desire, you come here and tell us how foolish we are to pursue a recruit or how MU is a dead man walking in the shadow of conference realignment, or how amazing Syracuse is. We get it. Add to that the abrasive, pissy attitude you bring, and you are a real delight.
I have no doubt that you don't care that everyone on this board finds you insufferable. You're probably used to it by now. And you have every right to be here. But I just don't get why you feel the need to spend such a huge amount of time on this board. And don't answer that its because you went to MU, because you clearly don't care about MU basketball at all.
Its not that I think you should leave because you're not an MU fan, I just don't get what you get out of it, considering the obviously awesome life you lead. I mean, couldn't you be out trading bulges, "fracking" our girlfriends, and crapping on people like us?
and p.s.--I highly doubt you're from the "cracked sidewalks" area of NYC, so don't act like you made it out of the mean streets of NYC and have now conquered the world. You sound like a lot of very privileged punks I've met over the years.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on October 04, 2010, 11:33:23 PM
weird. i dont go to jsonline (the milwaukee journal, right?) i read rosiak's articles every once in awhile though. And i dont think syracuse is so great. I just happen to know quite a bit about that particular program (father is an SU alum and mother is an MU alum). however, i grew up a fan of the BE and thus know much more about the BE than CUSA. in fact, i know nothing about cusa and couldnt name more than 3 teams in the conference right now.
So you act like don't even know the name of the paper I'm referring to, but can name its Marquette beat writer offhand? Also, you have responded multiple times without objection to 'bigeastbailout'. Fishy......stop lying.
Oh, so its just that you are soooo knowledgable about BE hoops that you feel the need to enlighten us to the tune of 500 posts on another team's board? Thank you, oh enlightened one. Don't you have another venue for all this unsolicited knowledge?
And by the way, who said anything about CUSA?
Quote from: mikem91288 on October 04, 2010, 05:38:23 PM
Cheerleaders + signs with their names on them? How do we compete with that?
Oh, you didn't know?
We have the Spanish O'Donnells!
Didn't realize one of the Winkelvoss twins was on line.
Quote from: Ners on October 04, 2010, 05:27:05 PM
I can tell you that a friend of mine showed me some pics of Quincy and Deuce at the Baylor football game this past Saturday..and on the field the cheerleaders had signs with Quincy's and Deuce's names - they both looked to be enjoying it..as did Scott Drew.
Okay... so where's the line drawn here? I remember that when a particular recruit was about to make an official visit to MU last year, there were people on this board who suggested (likely in jest) a big welcome sign hanging from the beer can, but that was quickly dismissed as a violation of NCAA rules (one of those "soft" violations, probably).
So what's the difference between a sign hanging from McCormick and a sign being held by a cheerleader?
Cornell? Ever hear of it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBUz4RnoWSM
How could a Cornell reference go by without a shout-out to Andy Bernard.
Quote from: Benny B on October 05, 2010, 09:05:10 AM
Okay... so where's the line drawn here? I remember that when a particular recruit was about to make an official visit to MU last year, there were people on this board who suggested (likely in jest) a big welcome sign hanging from the beer can, but that was quickly dismissed as a violation of NCAA rules (one of those "soft" violations, probably).
So what's the difference between a sign hanging from McCormick and a sign being held by a cheerleader?
welcome to the psychotically convoluted world of NCAA regulation
Quote from: Benny B on October 05, 2010, 09:05:10 AM
Okay... so where's the line drawn here? I remember that when a particular recruit was about to make an official visit to MU last year, there were people on this board who suggested (likely in jest) a big welcome sign hanging from the beer can, but that was quickly dismissed as a violation of NCAA rules (one of those "soft" violations, probably).
So what's the difference between a sign hanging from McCormick and a sign being held by a cheerleader?
This is along the same lines as the West Virginia-Adreian Payne thing from last year. A university-sponsored group (in this case, Scott Drew & the basketball staff via the cheerleading squad) calling attention to visiting recruits is a secondary violation.
Back on topic, there's a story on Scout (Insider) updating Miller's recruitment.
Anbody with an Insider subscription care to give the cheap bastards out here the jist of the story?
no MU...
It really surprises me that Quincy Miller's recruitment seems to have very little to do with Marquette if you follow the main sites. ESPN, Scout, not even Rivals with 12 schools listed mention Marquette. Yet every time Miller tweets, Marquette is on his list. I don't really know what to make of his interest in us, but I would really love it if Buzz could just get him on campus. That would be a tremendous boost to our chances.
The Miller ship has sailed (as if it was ever really going to dock at MU).
Quote from: Boone on October 05, 2010, 08:50:22 PM
The Miller ship has sailed (as if it was ever really going to dock at MU).
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The real question is "why not?" Why can't we get a quality big? Not all of these schools landing bigs have a tremendous history of developing bigs to the NBA level. A good big at MU acan really shine in a lot of ways, the this staff is good enough to develop them further.
Quote from: Daniel on October 05, 2010, 09:00:03 PM
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The real question is "why not?" Why can't we get a quality big? Not all of these schools landing bigs have a tremendous history of developing bigs to the NBA level. A good big at MU acan really shine in a lot of ways, the this staff is good enough to develop them further.
haha me thinks the lady doth protest too much
Quote from: Boone on October 05, 2010, 08:50:22 PM
The Miller ship has sailed (as if it was ever really going to dock at MU).
According to who?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 05, 2010, 05:38:05 AM
Didn't realize one of the Winkelvoss twins was on line.
Too Funny. Saw the movie tonight. 3.5 stars.
Not that we had much of a shot, but should be pleased that the we were in the #2 recruit's Top 5.
Here's source: http://twitter.com/EvanDanielscout/status/26495892562
http://twitter.com/Mike_Thiel/status/26499429508
Damn....not a huge suprise by any means...but, damn.
This is not the worst thing, as trying to land Miller would take a huge chunk of your recruiting effort when you have an entire class to fill. Buzz will turn his focus elsewhere and hopefully land some of the players we need.
Quote from: bma725 on October 06, 2010, 02:32:25 AM
According to Miller.
Darn it...I still don't see the appeal of Baylor. Been on that campus and in Waco 4 times..and just don't get it..AT ALL. Though I guess you can break your girlfriends jaw by punching her in the face, and remain enrolled at Baylor (LaceDarius Dunn), should be interesting to see if they let him back on the team...
Introducing the "Rejected by Prospect Phrase Generator!!!"
"I can't believe they chose (insert school here). That place sucks because (insert excuse here). But I guess they let you (insert violation here)."
So far we have:
Louisville...it's in Louisville...have sex at local Italian restaurants
Baylor...the campus is ugly...punch girls around
West Virginia...Huggins drinks a lot...skip class
Wisconsin...the swing limits you offensively...ride the bench like J.P. Gavinski should you be a bust
Am I missing any???
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 06, 2010, 09:13:57 AM
Introducing the "Rejected by Prospect Phrase Generator!!!"
Louisville...it's in Louisville...have sex at local Italian restaurants
Baylor...the campus is ugly...punch girls around
West Virginia...Huggins drinks a lot...skip class
Wisconsin...the swing limits you offensively...ride the bench like J.P. Gavinski should you be a bust
Am I missing any???
Waco...A land where dreams, like David Koresh, go up in smoke
Quote from: Ners on October 06, 2010, 08:47:19 AM
Darn it...I still don't see the appeal of Baylor. Been on that campus and in Waco 4 times..and just don't get it..AT ALL. Though I guess you can break your girlfriends jaw by punching her in the face, and remain enrolled at Baylor (LaceDarius Dunn), should be interesting to see if they let him back on the team...
You can't really be disappointed by this. The case has been made repeatedly over the last month that Miller wasn't a true option for Marquette. Btw, get ready to write this response a couple times over the next few weeks only substituting the name of the prospect and the name of the school.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on October 06, 2010, 10:32:20 AM
You can't really be disappointed by this. The case has been made repeatedly over the last month that Miller wasn't a true option for Marquette. Btw, get ready to write this response a couple times over the next few weeks only substituting the name of the prospect and the name of the school.......
Well hello there, Mr. Negative.
....as you would do every year in recruiting, as every program has a lot more hits than misses.