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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GGGG on September 28, 2010, 04:25:47 PM
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Jamail Jones: August 2009
Vander Blue: October 2009
Reggie Smith: November 2009
Jae Crowder: February 2010
Davante Gardner: May 2010
So at this time last year, we had one signee. (Aaron Bowen verballed in November 2008, but backed out in September 2009.) Since we only have three scholies to fill, we have plenty of time to fill our slots.
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Don't feed it.
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During or right after Midnight Madness or Haunted Hoops, seems to be a time when guys have committed to MU. Off the top of my head, this includes:
Vander Blue
Erik Williams
Tyshawn Taylor
Damien Saunders
Brett Roseboro
Joe Fulce
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During or right after Midnight Madness or Haunted Hoops, seems to be a time when guys have committed to MU. Off the top of my head, this includes:
Vander Blue
Erik Williams
Tyshawn Taylor
Damien Saunders
Brett Roseboro
Joe Fulce
Not that great of a track record, since 3 of those 6 did not show up
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When did Newbill verbal?
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Just win baby.
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When did Newbill verbal?
When did Tom Crean betray us?
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When did Tom Crean betray us?
I would say, while his intent was always to bolt, the quest began in earnest the moment following the final horn in Minneapolis after beating Kentucky.
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Jamail Jones: August 2009
Vander Blue: October 2009
Reggie Smith: November 2009
Jae Crowder: February 2010
Davante Gardner: May 2010
So at this time last year, we had one signee. (Aaron Bowen verballed in November 2008, but backed out in September 2009.) Since we only have three scholies to fill, we have plenty of time to fill our slots.
Technically we had no signees given the signing period falls in November :)
But we also had one more verbal from Monterale Clark. At least up until September 16 2009.
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Technically we had no signees given the signing period falls in November :)
But we also had one more verbal from Monterale Clark. At least up until September 16 2009.
Oh yeah...wow...thanks for the reminder on that one.
So I guess that means in early September 2009, we thought we had only one scholie left and were holding it for Vander.
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When did Tom Crean betray us?
Not sure, approaching his 10th season at MU I think. Good thing he hired Buzz Williams to come to MU.
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I would say, while his intent was always to bolt, the quest began in earnest the moment following the final horn in Minneapolis after beating Kentucky.
The majority of coaches "bolt". Get over it. As to when he really felt it was time to go, I believe it was the heartbreaking loss to Stanford. He stormed off the court and was on his way to a new gig.
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The majority of coaches "bolt".
I think Tom Crean is about to get bolted himself. Paybacks are a bitch.
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Jamail Jones: August 2009
Vander Blue: October 2009
Reggie Smith: November 2009
Jae Crowder: February 2010
Davante Gardner: May 2010
So at this time last year, we had one signee. (Aaron Bowen verballed in November 2008, but backed out in September 2009.) Since we only have three scholies to fill, we have plenty of time to fill our slots.
Apples and oranges comparison.
The elements of the 2010 class were much different then the 2011 class. Throwing up the commit dates isn't really a true indicator of what is taking place but we all have our own standard of analysis.
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Apples and oranges comparison.
The elements of the 2010 class were much different then the 2011 class. Throwing up the commit dates isn't really a true indicator of what is taking place but we all have our own standard of analysis.
I don't even know what this means. All I was doing is pointing out that we have plenty of time before our freshman class for 2011 is settled so people should stop panicking.
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The majority of coaches "bolt". Get over it. As to when he really felt it was time to go, I believe it was the heartbreaking loss to Stanford. He stormed off the court and was on his way to a new gig.
Get over it? Why? Every day since feels like Christmas.
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Get over it? Why? Every day since feels like Christmas.
We're celebrating being cancer free while 79 and others offer condolences and encourage us to somehow learn to live without without the tumor. Too funny.
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this thread had such promise...
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Believe me MUBurrow...I tried...
But is it really surprising that it got hijacked by the same old tired people trying to make their same old tired points?
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I think Tom Crean is about to get bolted himself. Paybacks are a bitch.
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs46/i/2009/185/b/5/Seamless_Bolted_Texture_by_FantasyStock.jpg)
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I appreciate the research in finding when the class of 2010 verbaled/committed. At this point as far as I'm aware, we've really only missed on Branden Dawson. (I suspect landing Jamil Wilson hurt our chances, but I'm okay with the trade off.) We are still in the mix for most of our other top targets. I would guess we at least land 1 of the 7 or 8 Top 100 guys we are in on. Heck, if we get 2 - that will be an exceptional recruiting year in my opinion - given all the depth we already have.
As far as I'm aware, Marquette has NEVER had 3 recruiting classes rated Top 25 back to back to back - and I'm not sure I recall a time since the days of Al that MU has landed back to back Top 25 classes. I'll never understand some of the Buzz skeptics/cynics. If you can't see/tell/observe by now that the guy has "it," your intuition and perceptiveness are severly lacking.
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Just win baby.
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/09/500x_squashphoto.jpg)
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I would say, while his intent was always to bolt, the quest began in earnest the moment following the final horn in Minneapolis after beating Kentucky.
I heartily disagree. I think Tom Crean fully intended to leave MU from the moment he signed his first contract. How you say, steppingstone?
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I'm kinda sick of the TC thing. But i think he decided to bolt when he realized Bloomington has more tanning salons than MKE
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I'm kinda sick of the TC thing. But i think he decided to bolt when he realized Bloomington has more tanning salons than MKE
If you're sick of the TC thing, don't feed into it. And seriously, another tanning joke? People can't find this sh*t funny anymore, do they? Inserting Tom Crean into completely unrelated threads is almost to the point of a weird fetish for some of the people on here.
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I heartily disagree. I think Tom Crean fully intended to leave MU from the moment he signed his first contract. How you say, steppingstone?
Fine. Who cares? It was a mutually beneficial relationship while it lasted. Can we move on now???
I don't view as the job I have now as my final one either. Am I a bad person because of that??
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I don't even know what this means. All I was doing is pointing out that we have plenty of time before our freshman class for 2011 is settled so people should stop panicking.
It means that recruiting to the 2010 class was much different then recruiting to the 2011 class. Different priorities. Different strategies. Different obstacles to overcome. Considering almost everything is different between 2010 and 2011 the commit dates from last year have no bearing on what is taking place this year (nor will 2011's commit dates have any bearing on 2012, etc.).
As we've learned quite a bit in his first two years, the Freshman class is rarely ever set once the recruiting windows close. There will be changes in June, July, and August. As a result, I don't think anyone "panics" about finding recruits -- they will show up eventually.
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Jamail Jones: August 2009
Vander Blue: October 2009
Reggie Smith: November 2009
Jae Crowder: February 2010
Davante Gardner: May 2010
So at this time last year, we had one signee. (Aaron Bowen verballed in November 2008, but backed out in September 2009.) Since we only have three scholies to fill, we have plenty of time to fill our slots.
So we all can relax, it's only September.
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So we all can relax, it's only September.
See you in two days...
OMG IT'S OCTOBER AND WE HAVE NO RECRUITS!!!1!!%!
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It means that recruiting to the 2010 class was much different then recruiting to the 2011 class. Different priorities. Different strategies. Different obstacles to overcome. Considering almost everything is different between 2010 and 2011 the commit dates from last year have no bearing on what is taking place this year (nor will 2011's commit dates have any bearing on 2012, etc.).
As we've learned quite a bit in his first two years, the Freshman class is rarely ever set once the recruiting windows close. There will be changes in June, July, and August. As a result, I don't think anyone "panics" about finding recruits -- they will show up eventually.
Instead of just dismissing offhand some good research by Sultan, would you care to explain what is so "different" about this year's class? I don't mean to argue that this year's situation is exactly the same as last year's, but overall kids commit at generally the same time--i.e. about half the top kids are verballed by the end of the spring spring period, the rest wait until fall, while a few late-bloomers don't sign until spring their senior year. And as Sultan and RJax55 showed, the vast majority of our high school recruits under Buzz have verballed about this time of year.
Last year what were our needs and targets? primarily, size inside and lengthy wing players. What are our needs/targets this year? size inside and lengthy wing players. In both classes, Buzz could offer a lot of time to incoming bigmen. I don't really see how our priorities are any different. Other than a slightly more established guard rotation this on this year's team, what is so different?
Just saying "everything is different" isn't really saying anything at all.
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It means that recruiting to the 2010 class was much different then recruiting to the 2011 class. Different priorities. Different strategies. Different obstacles to overcome. Considering almost everything is different between 2010 and 2011 the commit dates from last year have no bearing on what is taking place this year (nor will 2011's commit dates have any bearing on 2012, etc.).
As we've learned quite a bit in his first two years, the Freshman class is rarely ever set once the recruiting windows close. There will be changes in June, July, and August. As a result, I don't think anyone "panics" about finding recruits -- they will show up eventually.
On the last point I agree...and that was my point. People on this board are clearly concerned that we have no verbals. However, that is in line with what has happened here previously, and happens at other schools regularly. I think some scoopers see that Madison has already wrapped up their class and start to worry...without understanding that Bo always does this...and it isn't really normal.
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Some of you people need to have a little more faith in the process.
Plus, Buzz is going to eventually have a down recruiting year. Name a head coach that went his entire career at D-I majors with nothing less than a top 15 class every year.
I'm sure Buzz & Co aren't just sitting at home watching football highlights all week.
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New rule: Do not mention the word "Crean," in any and all variations and forms, if you want the thread to stay on-topic.
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See you in two days...
OMG IT'S OCTOBER AND WE HAVE NO RECRUITS!!!1!!%!
Wait untill the end of October.
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I think Tom Crean is about to get bolted himself. Paybacks are a bitch.
I'm a big fan of irony. ;D
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How you say, steppingstone?
Ask Kevin O'Neill....he has the definition down pat.
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Buzz will be fine, he'll sign a good class this year.
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I think some scoopers see that Madison has already wrapped up their class and start to worry...without understanding that Bo always does this...and it isn't really normal.
High risk, high reward. Bo's gig is pretty sweet when you think about it. Instead of working his way down from the top of the Recruit List, he starts near the middle. He gets on guys early who have relatively few big schools on them by the time Bo shows up in their living room. these guys would be great gets for schools that had missed on a guy or two during the first couple stages, but Bo has already gotten 3 of them by that point. One of the benefits of his system - a lot less turbulent recruiting process. And it all plays right into his fanbase who can cite the stability as a benefit of the program.