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Title: Player Development
Post by: Buchec18 on August 26, 2010, 08:14:11 PM
Nice article posted on the Athletics website... here's a link.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/082610aaa.html

And here is the leader/improvement board. Quite impressive, especially Otule... WOW! Fun to look at how much they have improved and how hard they work.

Current Team Leader

Vertical Jump - Darius Johnson-Odom (35 inches)
Squat - Jimmy Butler (440 lbs.)
Clean - Chris Otule (300 lbs.) - PROGRAM RECORD
Bench Press - Darius Johnson-Odom (319 lbs.)
Chin-ups - Dwight Buycks (36)
Lane Agility - Jimmy Butler (10.31 seconds)
25-yard Dash - Jimmy Butler, Reggie Smith (2.98 seconds)
Pro-Agility - Jimmy Butler (3.92 seconds)


Player Development

Vertical Jump - Junior Cadougan - 2009 (28 inches) - 2010 (31 inches)
Squat - Chris Otule - 2009 (332 lbs.) - 2010 (400 lbs.)
Clean - Chris Otule - 2009 (227 lbs.) - 2010 (300 lbs.)
Bench Press - Junior Cadougan - 2009 (207 lbs.) - 2010 (264 lbs.)
Chin-ups - Erik Williams - 2009 (14) - 2010 (32)
Lane Agility - Joe Fulce - 2009 (11.29 seconds) - 2010 (10.57 seconds)
25-yard Dash - Dwight Buycks - 2009 (3.19 seconds) - 2010 (3.08 seconds)
Pro-Agility - Erik Williams - 2009 (4.63 seconds) - 2010 (4.25 seconds)
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: TheTasteofGarlic on August 26, 2010, 08:15:35 PM
Looks like Butler's nickname should be The Cheetah
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: copious1218 on August 26, 2010, 08:29:52 PM
Butler is impressive, but HOLY OTULE: 20 rep bench at 185, 396 squat, 300 clean, and 33 chinups at his height/weight!
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: TheTasteofGarlic on August 26, 2010, 08:44:01 PM
Quote from: copious1218 on August 26, 2010, 08:29:52 PM
Butler is impressive, but HOLY OTULE: 20 rep bench at 185, 396 squat, 300 clean, and 33 chinups at his height/weight!

Otule is quite the He Man. I have to wonder Jerome Whitehead would have done in the weight room. J was cut like chiseled granite and that was without the benefit of weight training. Imagine the power had he the benefit of space age training methods and technology.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 26, 2010, 09:00:46 PM
I'm figuring we owe all this improvement to the hyperbaric chamber formerly purchased on Ebay.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: Marqevans on August 26, 2010, 09:12:01 PM
Quote from: TheTasteofGarlic on August 26, 2010, 08:44:01 PM
Otule is quite the He Man. I have to wonder Jerome Whitehead would have done in the weight room. J was cut like chiseled granite and that was without the benefit of weight training. Imagine the power had he the benefit of space age training methods and technology.

Maurice Lucas would have outdone them all!
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: SacWarrior on August 26, 2010, 10:23:26 PM
Erik Williams looks to be coming along great.

I'll be honest, I expect a lot out of him this year. He seems like he's ready for his break out year, and I think most casual Marquette fans (as in, not on this forum) have probably only heard his name in passing.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: jesmu84 on August 26, 2010, 10:58:25 PM
I really would not have expected Jimmy to be the quickest player on the team. Especially beating out someone like Reggie (on 2/3 events).
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: GGGG on August 27, 2010, 06:55:22 AM
I think we are seeing more evidence of why Williams struggled last year.  We heard reports on how he was used by his coaches, and he clearly didn't have the right type of weight and quickness training.  Hopefully he will make an impact this year.

I'm seriously having trouble understanding how a guy that lean could only do 14 chin ups last year.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: Clam Crowder on August 27, 2010, 07:19:05 AM
Frozena with 19 reps on the bench at 185...that is pretty impressive
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 27, 2010, 07:19:45 AM
Quote from: copious1218 on August 26, 2010, 08:29:52 PM
Butler is impressive, but HOLY OTULE: 20 rep bench at 185, 396 squat, 300 clean, and 33 chinups at his height/weight!

I thought the same thing.  Those are good numbers.  I'd expect him to be strong because he's such a big kid.  But the chin-ups number really took me by surprise.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: StillAWarrior on August 27, 2010, 07:20:58 AM
Quote from: SacWarrior on August 26, 2010, 10:23:26 PM
Erik Williams looks to be coming along great.

I'll be honest, I expect a lot out of him this year. He seems like he's ready for his break out year, and I think most casual Marquette fans (as in, not on this forum) have probably only heard his name in passing.

I've been really excited about Erik every since we were recruiting him.  Not sure why, but I've had a feeling about him.  I hope he has a great year.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: Clam Crowder on August 27, 2010, 07:28:58 AM
Anyone somewhat surprised Vander Blue is nowhere to be seen in the lane agility, pro-agility, or vertical? I know these guys are separated by tenths of a second but I thought he'd be top 3 in one of these
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: bilsu on August 27, 2010, 08:59:06 AM
Quote from: jhags15 on August 27, 2010, 07:28:58 AM
Anyone somewhat surprised Vander Blue is nowhere to be seen in the lane agility, pro-agility, or vertical? I know these guys are separated by tenths of a second but I thought he'd be top 3 in one of these
Not after watching him in the Pro Am.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: nycwarrior on August 27, 2010, 09:11:45 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 27, 2010, 06:55:22 AM
I think we are seeing more evidence of why Williams struggled last year.  We heard reports on how he was used by his coaches, and he clearly didn't have the right type of weight and quickness training.  Hopefully he will make an impact this year.

I'm seriously having trouble understanding how a guy that lean could only do 14 chin ups last year.

Not intending to be a wise ass here but with arms as long as Williams' isn't a chin-up much more work than it would be for a guy with a more compact frame?
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: NersEllenson on August 27, 2010, 09:38:06 AM
Quote from: nycwarrior on August 27, 2010, 09:11:45 AM
Not intending to be a wise ass here but with arms as long as Williams' isn't a chin-up much more work than it would be for a guy with a more compact frame?

Yes...the lankier a player, the more challenging bench press and chin ups.  To me, it still blows me away that Wes Matthews, Buycks..were at 41 and 36 chin ups respectively.  To illustrate how fit these guys are..I believe the benchmark for the 85% percentile on the Presidential Physical Fitness testing is for a Senior in HS to do 12 chin ups.

Quote from: jhags15 on August 27, 2010, 07:28:58 AM
Anyone somewhat surprised Vander Blue is nowhere to be seen in the lane agility, pro-agility, or vertical? I know these guys are separated by tenths of a second but I thought he'd be top 3 in one of these
This may not be a bad thing..as these guys are ultra competitive..and I'm sure Vander wants to be at the top of the list...yes he has the hype..but seeing that his measurables aren't that great righ now..has to be motivating.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: APieperFan3 on August 27, 2010, 09:45:50 AM
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 27, 2010, 07:20:58 AM
I've been really excited about Erik every since we were recruiting him.  Not sure why, but I've had a feeling about him.  I hope he has a great year.

I've felt the same way. I think he's the kind of guy that once he gets "comfortable" on the court, things will just "click" for him.

I hope you're right!
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: Jacks DC on August 27, 2010, 10:00:00 AM
Love the development for Otule, I just hope has made similar improvement in finishing around the rim.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: bilsu on August 27, 2010, 10:02:11 AM
Quote from: Jacks DC on August 27, 2010, 10:00:00 AM
Love the development for Otule, I just hope has made similar improvement in finishing around the rim.
In the pro am he was very good at dunking the ball when he got it close to the rim. Not much of a scorer outside of that.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: GGGG on August 27, 2010, 11:21:28 AM
Quote from: Ners on August 27, 2010, 09:38:06 AM
Yes...the lankier a player, the more challenging bench press and chin ups.  To me, it still blows me away that Wes Matthews, Buycks..were at 41 and 36 chin ups respectively.  To illustrate how fit these guys are..I believe the benchmark for the 85% percentile on the Presidential Physical Fitness testing is for a Senior in HS to do 12 chin ups.


Really?  I'm 42, 6'3", 200lbs , and can do about 20...or three reps of 10...without much effort.

Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: wyoMUfan on August 27, 2010, 11:54:14 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 27, 2010, 11:21:28 AM

Really?  I'm 42, 6'3", 200lbs , and can do about 20...or three reps of 10...without much effort.



sexy
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: GGGG on August 27, 2010, 11:55:28 AM
See...no....there is nothing about me that could be considered that.

That is why I am finding the 12 chin-up standard unbelieveable.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: Henry Sugar on August 27, 2010, 11:58:06 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 27, 2010, 11:21:28 AM

Really?  I'm 42, 6'3", 200lbs , and can do about 20...or three reps of 10...without much effort.


that's not typical

For example, 20 would score 100 for the USMC fitness standards.  12 scores a 60.  Minimum requirement is three.  That's for the Marines.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: Badgerhater on August 27, 2010, 12:05:28 PM
Quote from: jhags15 on August 27, 2010, 07:28:58 AM
Anyone somewhat surprised Vander Blue is nowhere to be seen in the lane agility, pro-agility, or vertical? I know these guys are separated by tenths of a second but I thought he'd be top 3 in one of these

Blue's body isn't done maturing yet and he hasn't had the high-level time in the weight room that his older teammates have had.  Big difference between late teens and early twenties, especially when the older guys have been with Todd Smith for at least a year, if not two or more.  I suspect Blue and the other freshmen will catch up real quick.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: CrazyEcho on August 27, 2010, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 27, 2010, 11:21:28 AM

Really?  I'm 42, 6'3", 200lbs , and can do about 20...or three reps of 10...without much effort.



I want to see a video of that. 
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: NersEllenson on August 27, 2010, 01:05:58 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 27, 2010, 11:21:28 AM

Really?  I'm 42, 6'3", 200lbs , and can do about 20...or three reps of 10...without much effort.



That is very good...I assume you aren't talking about doing chin ups with a palms toward you grip..correct?  It is much easier to do chin ups with palms facing you, than facing away.  Additionally, not sure how the MU players are being measured, but a true chin up does not allow a kick/abdominal crunch/jerk type of motion to be counted - it all needs to come from the back/arms.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: MerrittsMustache on August 27, 2010, 01:19:18 PM
Quote from: Ners on August 27, 2010, 01:05:58 PM
That is very good...I assume you aren't talking about doing chin ups with a palms toward you grip..correct?  It is much easier to do chin ups with palms facing you, than facing away.  Additionally, not sure how the MU players are being measured, but a true chin up does not allow a kick/abdominal crunch/jerk type of motion to be counted - it all needs to come from the back/arms.

That's what a chin-up is, isn't it? And a pull-up is with palms facing away.

Either way, Sultan sounds like he's a regular Tony Horton.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: GGGG on August 27, 2010, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: Ners on August 27, 2010, 01:05:58 PM
That is very good...I assume you aren't talking about doing chin ups with a palms toward you grip..correct?  It is much easier to do chin ups with palms facing you, than facing away. 


No they are facing me. 
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: NersEllenson on August 27, 2010, 02:02:39 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on August 27, 2010, 01:19:18 PM
That's what a chin-up is, isn't it? And a pull-up is with palms facing away.

Either way, Sultan sounds like he's a regular Tony Horton.

Good point..guess I didn't think about it from that perspective - am kind of surprised if they are measuring a chin up - as opposed to a pull up.  Chin ups aren't nearly as challenging as pull ups - particularily not wide grip pull ups..the best kind for working out your back.  Also, from a strength perspective chin ups don't build nearly as much strength as do pull ups.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 27, 2010, 01:53:06 PM

No they are facing me. 

Still a good accomplishment for sure, but definitely more plausible..
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: ErickJD08 on August 27, 2010, 04:10:18 PM
Since we are on the topic of pull ups, I am a Notre Dame fan.  There is alot of talk about Kelly's world class S&C coach.  Fifth year guard Chris Stewart weighs in at about 350lbs.  Stewart started the off season doing 3 pull ups and is coming into the season doing 26.  Now that is something I want to see a video of.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: Blackhat on August 27, 2010, 04:22:11 PM
There's only world class drugs that make a 350 lb man make that jump in pull ups in three months time while gaining 25 lbs since last year.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: StillWarriors on August 27, 2010, 04:34:00 PM
Quote from: ErickJD08 on August 27, 2010, 04:10:18 PM
I am a Notre Dame fan. 

You can get therapy for that.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: Blackhat on August 27, 2010, 04:52:26 PM
better than cheering for the badgers or illinois or some sh.t like that.
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: reinko on August 27, 2010, 05:31:52 PM
Would rather talk about Sultan and his pull up prowess than anything ND.

Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: AZWarrior on August 28, 2010, 07:23:21 PM
Notre Who?
Title: Re: Player Development
Post by: Tugg Speedman on August 29, 2010, 08:37:02 AM
The two lists above has seven different players on it.  We are not just a team of one or two really good athletes that are head and shoulders above the rest.
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