Seems like one of the first times he has been mentioned...Jay Bilas knows all
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10. Marquette: Buzz Williams did a remarkable job last season, guiding a small team to a 22-12 record and a fifth-place finish in the Big East. Gone is versatile star Lazar Hayward and guards David Cubillan and Maurice Acker, but Williams returns Darius Johnson-Odom, one of the best 3-point threats in the Big East. Jimmy Butler had a really good season, averaging 14.7 points and 6.4 rebounds, while leading Marquette in offensive boards. Marquette was primarily a 3-point-shooting team last season, but Hayward, Cubillan and Acker combined for 165 treys and that productivity will be tough to replace. The Golden Eagles (I miss the Warriors) will be young in key spots, especially at guard, which can really punish you in the Big East. Incoming freshmen Vander Blue and Jamail Jones will have to play right away, and JC star Jae Crowder will bring a level of toughness and post game that will help right away.
You mean:
"Finally someone mentions that they miss the 'Warriors'"
really? it only takes one espn/cbs game max to hear the announcers lament the name change, even 15+ years later. no one likes the eagles moniker in the national media, and they arent afraid to say so.
I miss the Warriors too.
They're still the Warriors to me.
Who are these "golden eagles" of whom you speak? Warriors!
so, what you take from Bilas picking MU 10th in Big East, and out of post season consideration, is that he misses the Warriors.
They will always be the Warriors---nix the PC nickname!
Quote from: 6746jonesr on August 26, 2010, 07:50:39 AM
so, what you take from Bilas picking MU 10th in Big East, and out of post season consideration, is that he misses the Warriors.
+1. The lowest prediction I've seen so far, but if you give the old farts their hard-on by dropping the Warriors name they wouldn't notice if he put us behind DePaul.
Pretty remarkable that still 16 years later...national media mention they still miss the Warriors..commentators still refer to MU as the Warriors on occasion. Clearly that name had a lot of traction and association with MU - why it could never go back to Warriors with an edit to our logo/mascot..I'll never know??
Come to think about it..is there even an Eagle on our current uniforms?? Why not just call us Warriors and use our MU crest as our logo It's not like the Badgers have a Badger on their uniform..or the Wolverines a Wolverine on their uniform. LAME.
Quote from: chapman on August 26, 2010, 08:33:35 AM
+1. The lowest prediction I've seen so far, but if you give the old farts their hard-on by dropping the Warriors name they wouldn't notice if he put us behind DePaul.
Somebody should lease the Turner's and turn it into a Warrior themed bar. Surely that would work!
Bunch of older guys walking around sporting wood, talking about the good 'ol days.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on August 26, 2010, 08:45:05 AM
Somebody should lease the Turner's and turn it into a Warrior themed bar. Surely that would work!
Bunch of older guys walking around sporting wood, talking about the good 'ol days.
Wow. Bad day?
Warriors. Definitely. Check out my handle. ;)
Quote from: mu-rara on August 26, 2010, 08:51:15 AM
Wow. Bad day?
it is never a bad day when you're old and can still sport wood without Rx
Jesus, the warrior thing is so freaking lame. We're the Golden Eagles, we're never going to go back to warriors. Its time to move on and stop crying.
Quote from: mu-rara on August 26, 2010, 08:51:15 AM
Wow. Bad day?
Nah, I wasn't trying to be mean spirited.
Just being a smart-ass about how every time somebody utters the word "Warriors" people come out of the woodwork with "YEA!" or "+1" or the ever popular: "Warriors Forever!"
With this amount of support, it's surprising nobody has capitalized on it (other than the few t-shirt shops out there).
Couldn't there be a "Warrior Bar" or at least a once a year "Warrior Party" held at a bar? Could there be a larger clothing line, or are there copyright issues? (not sure).
Quote from: 2002MUalum on August 26, 2010, 09:33:07 AM
Nah, I wasn't trying to be mean spirited.
Just being a smart-ass about how every time somebody utters the word "Warriors" people come out of the woodwork with "YEA!" or "+1" or the ever popular: "Warriors Forever!"
With this amount of support, it's surprising nobody has capitalized on it (other than the few t-shirt shops out there).
Couldn't there be a "Warrior Bar" or at least a once a year "Warrior Party" held at a bar? Could there be a larger clothing line, or are there copyright issues? (not sure).
You would probably get a cease and desist from MU Legal....and it isn't just us old farts.....Ask the people who were students in 94-95.
Quote from: Ners on August 26, 2010, 08:35:58 AM
Come to think about it..is there even an Eagle on our current uniforms?? Why not just call us Warriors and use our MU crest as our logo
Ners, I have said this before. MU is intentionally de-emphasizing the Golden Eagles for men's basketball. A lot of their other athletic gear does have the eagle's head logo, but not basketball. They barely even mention the phrase.
IMO, this is the concession they are making. They are not going to officially go back to Warriors, but don't mind if people use it "unofficially" (like many do here). But the Golden Eagle references are completely gone.
Quote from: chapman on August 26, 2010, 08:33:35 AM
+1. The lowest prediction I've seen so far, but if you give the old farts their hard-on by dropping the Warriors name they wouldn't notice if he put us behind DePaul.
I can't really blame people for placing us 10th. Our best player, and two of our starting guards graduated. We return two very solid starters, but there are questions all over the place with a bunch of unproven players.
Quote from: Kramerica on August 26, 2010, 09:27:22 AM
Jesus, the warrior thing is so freaking lame. We're the Golden Eagles, we're never going to go back to warriors. Its time to move on and stop crying.
Doe K.
Quote from: Kramerica on August 26, 2010, 09:27:22 AM
Jesus, the warrior thing is so freaking lame. We're the Golden Eagles, we're never going to go back to warriors. Its time to move on and stop crying.
I've come to begrudgingly accept MU will not go back to Warriors, but never in a million years will I ('91 grad), or many others, ever identify MU with Golden Eagles. Even aside from not being Warriors, it's a lame name. It's not original and doesn't seem to have any real connection with the school. Sorry, We are Marquette, but will never consider "us" the Golden Eagles.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 26, 2010, 10:47:17 AM
there are questions all over the place with a bunch of unproven players.
Aside from Pitt and Nova, arent there question marks and uproven players that need to step-up on every team in the conference? Doesnt this happen every year?
I thought this thread was about 2010-2011 and Crowder, not a nickname thats been gone for almost a generation now.... :o
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on August 26, 2010, 11:17:05 AM
Aside from Pitt and Nova, arent there question marks and uproven players that need to step-up on every team in the conference? Doesnt this happen every year?
But MU seems to have more questions, and more fundamental questions. Relying on a PG that was injured last year...expecting freshment to make significant impacts...lack of size with experience.... This isn't just about a sixth man stepping into a starting role.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 26, 2010, 11:34:00 AM
But MU seems to have more questions, and more fundamental questions. Relying on a PG that was injured last year...expecting freshment to make significant impacts...lack of size with experience.... This isn't just about a sixth man stepping into a starting role.
GTown has huge questions with their frontcourt. Lubick wont contribute much this year and Monroe is gone.
USF lost a prolific scorer in Jones.
Cincy lost Vaughn and Stephenson. Gates is good but who else?
Louisville lost its top 3 scorers and the incoming class isnt that great.
Syracuse lost a center, a guard and a forward. Their zone wont be nearly as effective with new players in it.
Everyone saw what a Gody-less ND team is like. They may surprise.
WVU lost Butler and Ebanks. No two freshmen can replace their production.
The battle for spots 3 - 8 shouls be interesting this year.
Quote from: StillWarriors on August 26, 2010, 11:08:58 AM
I've come to begrudgingly accept MU will not go back to Warriors, but never in a million years will I ('91 grad), or many others, ever identify MU with Golden Eagles. Even aside from not being Warriors, it's a lame name. It's not original and doesn't seem to have any real connection with the school. Sorry, We are Marquette, but will never consider "us" the Golden Eagles.
Jumpin' Jesuits 4 lyfe.
Quote from: chapman on August 26, 2010, 08:33:35 AM
+1. The lowest prediction I've seen so far, but if you give the old farts their hard-on by dropping the Warriors name they wouldn't notice if he put us behind DePaul.
I don't get a "hard-on when I hear the Warriors name" but I am able to distinguish between a nickname that made us proud and our foes envious and one that makes us feel silly and engenders laughter and derision from our opponents.
I take it you're not.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 26, 2010, 01:01:02 PM
I don't get a "hard-on when I hear the Warriors name" but I am able to distinguish between a nickname that made us proud and our foes envious and one that makes us feel silly and engenders laughter and derision from our opponents.
I take it you're not.
Did you get a hard-on when you wrote that?
Quote from: Kramerica on August 26, 2010, 09:27:22 AM
Jesus, the warrior thing is so freaking lame. We're the Golden Eagles, we're never going to go back to warriors. Its time to move on and stop crying.
Why, then, is MU running away from the Golden Eagles name? In reality, they are and I've heard it from many sources at the U that it's happening. Sure, there is still some things you can buy for the PC young crowd that also believes Nike is evil and Haliburton killed John Lennon, but the university knows what sells and what doesn't.
It's remarkable to me that 15 years later how many people still bring it up on sports highlights, calling of games live, etc. You don't seem people saying Redmen still for St. John's. Or Indians for Stanford.
Sorry, not moving on and the fact that some people get cranky about us old farts keeping it alive, all the better.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 26, 2010, 01:01:02 PM
I don't get a "hard-on when I hear the Warriors name" but I am able to distinguish between a nickname that made us proud and our foes envious and one that makes us feel silly and engenders laughter and derision from our opponents.
I take it you're not.
Agree completley. In fact, MU should just scrap the nickname completely and simply be Marquette. That will set us apart from everyone.
Quote from: Kramerica on August 26, 2010, 09:27:22 AM
Jesus, the warrior thing is so freaking lame. We're the Golden Eagles, we're never going to go back to warriors. Its time to move on and stop crying.
A pox on your family, for generations to come.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 26, 2010, 01:15:14 PM
Agree completley. In fact, MU should just scrap the nickname completely and simply be Marquette. That will set us apart from everyone.
Why not change our nickname to go and then we could be "Go Marquette" ::)
Quote from: bilsu on August 26, 2010, 02:36:07 PM
Why not change our nickname to go and then we could be "Go Marquette" ::)
We'd be the Marquette Go(ld). That'd be asking for it :P
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 26, 2010, 01:01:02 PM
I don't get a "hard-on when I hear the Warriors name" but I am able to distinguish between a nickname that made us proud and our foes envious and one that makes us feel silly and engenders laughter and derision from our opponents.
I take it you're not.
The point is that because Jay Bilas mentions "warriors", nobody even pays attention to what he is actually saying because they are so excited about "warriors" (oops, I just got wood).
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2010, 01:12:10 PM
Why, then, is MU running away from the Golden Eagles name? In reality, they are and I've heard it from many sources at the U that it's happening. Sure, there is still some things you can buy for the PC young crowd that also believes Nike is evil and Haliburton killed John Lennon, but the university knows what sells and what doesn't.
I don't really get what your getting at with this paragraph. I don't believe any of those things, and even if I did, I don't think it would really mean that I'm trying to be PC. I just happen to believe that its ridiculous that everyone here still is all worked up about the whole Warriors thing. It happened 16 years ago. We can move on now and stop talking about how awesome it was back when we had a really cool nickname.
I'm not sure if this is lamer than the debate of whether or not Crean was the Anit-Christ that shows up every other day.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 26, 2010, 01:15:14 PM
Agree completley. In fact, MU should just scrap the nickname completely and simply be Marquette. That will set us apart from everyone.
+1
Quote from: Kramerica on August 26, 2010, 03:24:22 PM
I don't really get what your getting at with this paragraph. I don't believe any of those things, and even if I did, I don't think it would really mean that I'm trying to be PC. I just happen to believe that its ridiculous that everyone here still is all worked up about the whole Warriors thing. It happened 16 years ago. We can move on now and stop talking about how awesome it was back when we had a really cool nickname.
I still care about the nickname. Sorry you don't. Move to another thread.
Quote from: Kramerica on August 26, 2010, 03:24:22 PM
It happened 16 years ago. We can move on now and stop talking about how awesome it was back when we had a really cool nickname.
It happened 16 years ago and came up again only a few years ago and is continually brought up every year....apparently a lot of people, including the media an sportscasters in this country haven't found a way to move on yet.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 26, 2010, 01:15:14 PM
Agree completley. In fact, MU should just scrap the nickname completely and simply be Marquette. That will set us apart from everyone.
That is the kind of retarded logic that made us the "Gold." You wouldn't happen to be on that board would you 79?
Pretty certain "Gold" was the brainchild of the since departed.
Quote from: Nukem2 on August 26, 2010, 11:28:24 AM
I thought this thread was about 2010-2011 and Crowder, not a nickname thats been gone for almost a generation now.... :o
16 years is a generation?
Go Warriors
Signed,
2007 and 2008 graduate
Question --
Would everyone agree that most of the controversy would be silent if in 1994 or even 2004 Marquette had just gone back to the Hilltoppers? I think the Warrior people like myself would still prefer the Warriors, but I would still settle for a nickname that had some reference to Marquette's past, as opposed to an utterly generic nickname that Marquette shares with several other schools, including a fellow top ranked Catholic university.
Quote from: warrior07 on August 27, 2010, 07:41:56 AM
Question --
Would everyone agree that most of the controversy would be silent if in 1994 or even 2004 Marquette had just gone back to the Hilltoppers? I think the Warrior people like myself would still prefer the Warriors, but I would still settle for a nickname that had some reference to Marquette's past, as opposed to an utterly generic nickname that Marquette shares with several other schools, including a fellow top ranked Catholic university.
+ 1 gazillion!
Agreed. I don't like it like I like the Warriors, but it's infinitely better than Golden Beagles or The Gold.
Sorry folks. I aint no damn Golden Eagle!
I AM A WARRIOR!!!
That's right. The University can do what it wants with the name. Drag out a furry bird if you must. Design an Eagle that looks like a chicken hawk and share a nickname with a schools that serves Bubbas from Somewhere Down There, Mississippi.
The only way Marquette is going to get people to stop calling the university the Warriors is to have old alumni, well, die. They can do the Catholic thing and order it, but like birth control, nobody listens and nobody respects them for it.
Oh by the way, O'Hara Hall, if we all die, that leaves you with lots of young alums and that doesn't do much for your alumni giving now, does it.
I AM A WARRIOR!
O' Hara Hall is no longer used...Zilber has replaced it
Hilltoppers or Golden Avalanche would have been great, but instead the head of MU at the time (and an MU grad to boot) wanted Golden Eagles.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on August 26, 2010, 12:13:33 PM
GTown has huge questions with their frontcourt. Lubick wont contribute much this year and Monroe is gone.
1) Georgetown still returns everyone but 1 player and 4 out of 5 starters. Not denying Greg monroe's loss will be felt, but it's just one player on a roster while marquette loses 3 starters.
2) We still have our starting Center in Julian Vaughn who's gotten better every year he's been at Georgetown. Yes he was the center doesn't matter what the box score says.
3) Why don't you think Lubick will contribute much this year? He is a top 50 recruit. He's scrappy and has a nose for the ball. he's exactly what Georgetown needs. I saw him play in the summer league this year there's no reason he can't get minutes and contribute.
4) Our front court won't be as talented as last year, but this year we'll have more depth with the addition of Lubick and Moses abraham who are both rebounding machines. They'll compliment, Vaughn and Sims. Despite being skinny at 6'8" Hollis thompson will probably see some time at the 4 as well.
5) Across the board Georgetown has more depth this year than last bringing in 4 players and only losing 1. We have the best back court in the league ( arguably)
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on August 26, 2010, 12:13:33 PM
GTown has huge questions with their frontcourt. Lubick wont contribute much this year and Monroe is gone.
USF lost a prolific scorer in Jones.
Cincy lost Vaughn and Stephenson. Gates is good but who else?
Louisville lost its top 3 scorers and the incoming class isnt that great.
Syracuse lost a center, a guard and a forward. Their zone wont be nearly as effective with new players in it.
Everyone saw what a Gody-less ND team is like. They may surprise.
WVU lost Butler and Ebanks. No two freshmen can replace their production.
The battle for spots 3 - 8 shouls be interesting this year.
I'm quoting this post for no other reason than to identify a basketball-related post that I found while scrolling through a million posts from old timers about how awesome it would be if they changed the name back to warriors. Get. Over. It.
I think Crowder will have more of an impact than people think this year and will be a solid contributor in our perpetually thin frontcourt. I think we will end up better than 10th, but its hard to argue with Bilas' logic. Sorry for getting off the topic though.
Also I think "+1" posts are a waste of space. There I said it.
Hoyas, I agree that you guys bring back a great mix of both talent and experience. IMO, GT should finish no lower than 3rd in the Big East.
My question with the Hoyas is... Will they show every game and play hard? Last year, it seemed like the Hoyas sleepwalked through a bunch of games, including their horrible performance against Ohio in the dance.
Quote from: warrior07 on August 27, 2010, 07:41:56 AM
Question --
Would everyone agree that most of the controversy would be silent if in 1994 or even 2004 Marquette had just gone back to the Hilltoppers? I think the Warrior people like myself would still prefer the Warriors, but I would still settle for a nickname that had some reference to Marquette's past, as opposed to an utterly generic nickname that Marquette shares with several other schools, including a fellow top ranked Catholic university.
Yes, when it got down to the final two, I voted for Hilltoppers. At least it was unique.
Although, I would have preferred Golden Avalanche to either of them.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 27, 2010, 11:24:01 AM
Yes, when it got down to the final two, I voted for Hilltoppers. At least it was unique.
Except for Western Kentucky.
Quote from: RJax55 on August 27, 2010, 09:51:05 AM
Hoyas, I agree that you guys bring back a great mix of both talent and experience. IMO, GT should finish no lower than 3rd in the Big East.
My question with the Hoyas is... Will they show every game and play hard? Last year, it seemed like the Hoyas sleepwalked through a bunch of games, including their horrible performance against Ohio in the dance.
Definitely agree. When we were on we were blowing out duke and Nova. When we fell asleep at the wheel we lost to rutgers, USF, and Ohio. >:(
Consistent effort, defense, and rebounding. We get those and we'll have an amazing year. Get enough if it most of the time and that should be good for a top 4 finish.
Marquette has a very good program so I don't expect you guys to drop much if at all. I'd pencil you in 5-7 somewhere in there for next year.
Quote from: MU B2002 on August 27, 2010, 11:32:56 AM
Except for Western Kentucky.
Coolest mascot ever.
Sorry, TT.
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On topic: This has us a little too low. Buzz will find a way to make it a motivational tool. Good for Crowder to get the national mention though. I don't envy Buzz his PT decisions.
Off topic: I was OK losing Warriors, just not Golden Eagles. I'm in full agreement with lurch. Thought something with "Sauerkraut" should have been in the mix. If we were going to go colored fowl, I would have offered up the Blue Canaries!
(posted from my front porch smoking a Dominican & drinking a Leinie)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 26, 2010, 01:01:02 PM
I don't get a "hard-on when I hear the Warriors name" but I am able to distinguish between a nickname that made us proud and our foes envious and one that makes us feel silly and engenders laughter and derision from our opponents.
I take it you're not.
+1 and gets the ball back on the steal
would like to see the difference between the merchandise sold with and without the golden chicken on it. i get stuff with only MARQUETTE on it-no need to soil it before i get it home
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