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Title: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: mileskishnish72 on August 09, 2010, 02:51:25 PM
Lists MU as school of interest - could having a center from the same town help us?
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: GOMU1104 on August 09, 2010, 03:00:01 PM
Recently cut his list of 50 offers down to a "Top 9"...but only said that Oklahoma State was one of the 9, nobody else.

Going to need a guard in the 2011 class.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: KCmastapeace on August 09, 2010, 05:47:05 PM
Every thing I have read about this kid is that he can go for 40 in his sleep
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: bilsu on August 09, 2010, 06:26:35 PM
Quote from: KCmastapeace on August 09, 2010, 05:47:05 PM
Every thing I have read about this kid is that he can go for 40 in his sleep

I can go for 40 in my dreams too. ;D
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: 77ncaachamps on August 09, 2010, 07:20:38 PM
Quote from: bilsu on August 09, 2010, 06:26:35 PM
I can go for 40 in my dreams too. ;D

Just 40???

You're pathetically lame! ;)
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: Buchec18 on August 09, 2010, 07:23:47 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-D%27Angelo-Harrison-93728

There's a list of 11.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: GOMU1104 on August 09, 2010, 07:35:45 PM
QuoteHarrison, a four-star recruit who is ranked as the 61st-best overall prospect in the Class of 2011, has received scholarship offers from nearly 50 schools, but on Friday narrowed it down to nine finalists, Henderson said.

"We met as a family yesterday and cut the list down to nine (schools), and Oklahoma State is one of those nine," Henderson said.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: spartan3186 on August 20, 2010, 05:34:39 PM
Per Zags blog he is down to 5

Texas A&M, Marquette, Baylor, Oklahoma State and St. John's.

It said he's already done an unofficial to Marquette

http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/08/20/dangelo-harrison-planning-visits/
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: wadesworld on August 20, 2010, 06:02:36 PM
Him, JP Tokoto, and a point guard would be amazing.  Juan Anderson as a backup.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: GOMU1104 on August 20, 2010, 06:06:08 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on August 20, 2010, 06:02:36 PM
Him, JP Tokoto, and a point guard would be amazing.  Juan Anderson as a backup.

Harrison is 2011
Anderson is 2011
Tokoto is 2012
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: wadesworld on August 20, 2010, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 20, 2010, 06:06:08 PM
Harrison is 2011
Anderson is 2011
Tokoto is 2012

Yup you're right, my mistake.  Well, then Anderson, Harrison, a PG, and Tokoto the next year!

Although I would be extremely happy with Faust in there...
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: Dawson Rental on August 20, 2010, 11:35:55 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on August 20, 2010, 07:55:50 PM
Yup you're right, my mistake.  Well, then Anderson, Harrison, a PG, and Tokoto the next year!

Although I would be extremely happy with Faust in there...

You are certainly not a guy who'd settle for "only" going for 40 points in his dreams.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on August 23, 2010, 11:22:16 AM
Article today says he's down to four.

Two Big East schools and two Big 12 schools
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: wyoMUfan on August 23, 2010, 12:04:56 PM
RT @AdamZagoria: D'Angelo Harrison says his top 4 is Marquette, Oklahoma State, Baylor & St John's. Taking unofficial to St. John's soon.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: HoopsMalone on August 23, 2010, 12:31:09 PM
Love the Buzz Texas connection.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: Jay Bee on August 31, 2010, 08:37:43 PM
@NBESports
 
D'Angelo Harrison tells Matt Whitfield of NBE tonight its a three-school race: St. John's, Marquette and Baylor... http://fb.me/wCK1OkDH 2 minutes ago via Facebook
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on August 31, 2010, 08:42:17 PM
well that's good news
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: martyconlonontherun on August 31, 2010, 09:50:47 PM
FYI: Per ESPN (I know, I am a n00b)

D'Angelo Harrison   SG   6'3"   180   TX   96   None
Bottom Line:
When all is said and done Harrison is a guy you put on the floor and things happen. There will be nights when this guy can carry you to a win with his offensive skills.

Pro: Amazing scorer
Con: Combo guard that would need that he knows how to defend.

(I summarized since it's insider and I don't know the rules here/I feel they should have a right to block it for payment)


You have to think it's a two-man race between Baylor and us, IMHO. Baylor has the hometown advantage but we got the Big East.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: NersEllenson on August 31, 2010, 10:00:21 PM
96 is a pretty high rating on ESPN...I believe Vander was a 95 or 96..just as a point of reference.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: martyconlonontherun on August 31, 2010, 10:11:49 PM
True but 96 ranges from #26-91. Harrison is ranked #61 overall and #20 SG. Blue was 95 and #31 overall and  #7 SG. Players 30-80 probably are interchangeable based on the recruiting service and the tourneys they play in.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: MarkCharles on August 31, 2010, 10:34:28 PM
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on August 31, 2010, 10:11:49 PM
True but 96 ranges from #26-91. Harrison is ranked #61 overall and #20 SG. Blue was 95 and #31 overall and  #7 SG. Players 30-80 probably are interchangeable based on the recruiting service and the tourneys they play in.

ESPN seems to have changed their points system this year. As you said, this year a 96 could be ranked in the 90s, while last year #79 Jeronne Maymon was rated a 91. The ratings are pumped up now so there appears to be little difference among the top players. Maybe that reflects how recruiting is a crapshoot, but its kind of a copout if you ask me. Oh well, thats ESPN scouting.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: MarkCharles on August 31, 2010, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on August 31, 2010, 09:50:47 PM

You have to think it's a two-man race between Baylor and us, IMHO. Baylor has the hometown advantage but we got the Big East.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if he ended up in NY. Lavin is bound to land a top recruit sooner or later. While coming to MU might mean more victories, if its playing in the Big East that would be attractive to him, St Johns makes more sense. He could come in and start from day 1, in the biggest city in America, at MSG, or fight with a ton of good players for minutes at MU.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: martyconlonontherun on August 31, 2010, 10:48:19 PM
Quote from: MarkCharles on August 31, 2010, 10:34:28 PM
ESPN seems to have changed their points system this year. As you said, this year a 96 could be ranked in the 90s, while last year #79 Jeronne Maymon was rated a 91. The ratings are pumped up now so there appears to be little difference among the top players. Maybe that reflects how recruiting is a crapshoot, but its kind of a copout if you ask me. Oh well, thats ESPN scouting.

May be a copout but is more accurate. Too many people think a player at 40 is leaps and bounds better than the guy ranked 80. They rank them, but say they are pretty close to be the same.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: BCHoopster on August 31, 2010, 10:53:55 PM
Having Texas kids here is huge, none of them have transferred, that says to me that they are happy here,
and Fulce, Williams, Otule do not even play a lot.  Butler has but not at first, was not ready.  All 4 have improved
here, another positive.  Crowder played in Texas as did Cadougan.  I am more confident on him then any of the
others, time will tell.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: MarkCharles on August 31, 2010, 11:07:30 PM
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on August 31, 2010, 10:48:19 PM
May be a copout but is more accurate. Too many people think a player at 40 is leaps and bounds better than the guy ranked 80. They rank them, but say they are pretty close to be the same.

I agree it is more accurate in terms of predicting college careers to lump them together. But it is a recruiting service's job to tell us who the best players are, in order. ESPN is just admitting defeat by rating #26 the same as #91.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: martyconlonontherun on August 31, 2010, 11:33:55 PM
Couldn't their rank separate them?
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: MarkCharles on August 31, 2010, 11:51:47 PM
Yea of course, and in any rankings there will be some overlap. But the #26 being rated the same #91 is excessive. And this system gives you very little info when you get outside the top 100 players.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: Dave Krupinski on September 01, 2010, 11:11:10 AM
Quote from: MarkCharles on August 31, 2010, 10:43:08 PM
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he ended up in NY. Lavin is bound to land a top recruit sooner or later. While coming to MU might mean more victories, if its playing in the Big East that would be attractive to him, St Johns makes more sense. He could come in and start from day 1, in the biggest city in America, at MSG, or fight with a ton of good players for minutes at MU.

From what I hear after Moe Harkless committed yesterday that Harrison is a heavy STJ lean. I'm trying to get some comments from him for my site but have been unable to make contact yet. I'll keep you guys posted. Harrison is also more of a 2 guard than anything.
Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: Marquette84 on September 01, 2010, 12:14:08 PM
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on August 31, 2010, 10:48:19 PM
May be a copout but is more accurate. Too many people think a player at 40 is leaps and bounds better than the guy ranked 80. They rank them, but say they are pretty close to be the same.

I think there's a bigger difference than you think. I looked at RSCI rankings and compared the #40 and the #80 players for the last several years. 

2009:  Jamil Wilson versus DeShawn Painter (NC State)--Wilson got more minutes, and even started 14 games.  Painter averaged 6.5 minutes and 1.6 ppg.  Fair to say that Wilson got off to a better start.

2008:  Anthony Jones at Baylor (PF) and Courtney Fortson (PG) of Arkansas were both part of the rotation for their respective teams.  The difference in their roles makes for a direct comparison difficult, but I'd give the edge to Fortson based on production so far.

2007:  DeJuan Blair of Pitt versus Jason Henry of Arkansas.  No contest.

2006:  DaVon Jefferson of USC declared for the NBA after one year, averaging 27 mpg and 12.1 ppg.  While its universally believed that he made a mistake, he was head and shoulders ahead of Adrian Oliver, who put up 3-5 points per game in two seasons at Washington before transferring to San Jose State, where he put up decent numbers. 

2005:  Chris Douglas-Robers versus Casaan Breeden.  No contest.

2004:  Tie at 40 between Dorrell Wright (19th pick in the NBA draft), Isiah Swann (who's best season averaged 12 ppg at FSU) and Brian Johnson (not much in two seasons at UL).  COmpared to #80 Lorenzo Mata, who's best season averaged 6.6 ppg for UCLA.

I stopped here--I think the trend has emerged. 

While there is some overlap between players ranked 40th and 80th, recent history suggests that the low end of the performance scale for a #40 ranked recruit overlaps with the best case for a #80.  I'd say only once in the last six years could you say that the players were in the same ballpark. 

Yes, there were exceptions (#80 Fortson, #40 Johnson), but certainly no breakout players like CDR or Blair came out of the 80th rank.



Title: Re: D'Angelo Harrison
Post by: martyconlonontherun on September 01, 2010, 12:21:47 PM
Quote from: Marquette84 on September 01, 2010, 12:14:08 PM
I think there's a bigger difference than you think. I looked at RSCI rankings and compared the #40 and the #80 players for the last several years. 

2009:  Jamil Wilson versus DeShawn Painter (NC State)--Wilson got more minutes, and even started 14 games.  Painter averaged 6.5 minutes and 1.6 ppg.  Fair to say that Wilson got off to a better start.

2008:  Anthony Jones at Baylor (PF) and Courtney Fortson (PG) of Arkansas were both part of the rotation for their respective teams.  The difference in their roles makes for a direct comparison difficult, but I'd give the edge to Fortson based on production so far.

2007:  DeJuan Blair of Pitt versus Jason Henry of Arkansas.  No contest.

2006:  DaVon Jefferson of USC declared for the NBA after one year, averaging 27 mpg and 12.1 ppg.  While its universally believed that he made a mistake, he was head and shoulders ahead of Adrian Oliver, who put up 3-5 points per game in two seasons at Washington before transferring to San Jose State, where he put up decent numbers. 

2005:  Chris Douglas-Robers versus Casaan Breeden.  No contest.

2004:  Tie at 40 between Dorrell Wright (19th pick in the NBA draft), Isiah Swann (who's best season averaged 12 ppg at FSU) and Brian Johnson (not much in two seasons at UL).  COmpared to #80 Lorenzo Mata, who's best season averaged 6.6 ppg for UCLA.

I stopped here--I think the trend has emerged. 

While there is some overlap between players ranked 40th and 80th, recent history suggests that the low end of the performance scale for a #40 ranked recruit overlaps with the best case for a #80.  I'd say only once in the last six years could you say that the players were in the same ballpark. 

Yes, there were exceptions (#80 Fortson, #40 Johnson), but certainly no breakout players like CDR or Blair came out of the 80th rank.
I stand corrected. Thanks for the research. I guess I have been going off of our recruits and who eventually pans out.
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