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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: g0lden3agle on July 26, 2010, 05:05:09 PM
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http://www.totalprosports.com/2010/07/26/9-of-the-worst-sports-stadiums-in-america/
Not much positive to say about the BC from this guy. Personally I've never had much of an issue with the stadium, mostly because I'm used to the piss-old arenas the Pistons and Red Wings still play in and know what comes with the package of such an old building.
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That is why no talent ass clowns shouldn't have blogs.
really, no one should have blogs, since no one really gives a rat's ass what someone else thinks, they're more worried about themselves.
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That is why no talent ass clowns shouldn't have blogs.
really, no one should have blogs, since no one really gives a rat's ass what someone else thinks, they're more worried about themselves.
Unless you are Mark "The Shark" Titus.
I don't have a problem with the Bradley Center. It's not great and I don't go to many other basketball stadiums so can't really compare, but it gets the job done. The only problem I have is some of the seats aren't set up for basketball and are facing weird angles (mainly at the end of the baseline on the sideline, some are facing straight forward, which is looking at seats behind the basket and you have to turn in order to watch the game.
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Unless you are Mark "The Shark" Titus.
I don't have a problem with the Bradley Center. It's not great and I don't go to many other basketball stadiums so can't really compare, but it gets the job done. The only problem I have is some of the seats aren't set up for basketball and are facing weird angles (mainly at the end of the baseline on the sideline, some are facing straight forward, which is looking at seats behind the basket and you have to turn in order to watch the game.
While thats certainly a problem, I enjoy how the nose bleeds still have a damn good view of the court. When the stairs are steep like that it allows people to still be relatively close to the court.
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ESPN's vendor violation review at major league establishments:
Bradley Center
Vendors with critical violations: 23%
Inspection report excerpt: A volunteer worker used bare hands to level ice in an ice bin. The inspector ordered the ice to be discarded.
Lambeau Field
Green Bay Packers
Vendors with critical violations: 18%
Inspection report excerpt: Two locations were cited after inspectors found an employee who "did not wash hands after blowing nose or eating food prior to handling customer food or ice."
Miller Park
Milwaukee Brewers
Vendors with critical violations: 33%
Inspection report excerpt: Mold was growing in ice machines at six locations.
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http://www.totalprosports.com/2010/07/26/9-of-the-worst-sports-stadiums-in-america/
Not much positive to say about the BC from this guy. Personally I've never had much of an issue with the stadium, mostly because I'm used to the piss-old arenas the Pistons and Red Wings still play in and know what comes with the package of such an old building.
"Such an old building"....the BC opened during my junior year. <sigh>
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I actually don't really disagree with this blogger. He's talking about pro stadiums. And for pro sports stadiums, the BC is probably near the back of the pack. Definitely in the NBA. Its old as crap and has no character or any of the modern amenities (like a sit-down restaurant).
But whatever, for Marquette basketball, its great. It gets loud as hell in there and you can pack 19,000+. What's not to like? I can see the Bucks wanting out, but as far as NCAA arenas its gotta be above average, if not better.
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ESPN's vendor violation review at major league establishments:
Bradley Center
Vendors with critical violations: 23%
Inspection report excerpt: A volunteer worker used bare hands to level ice in an ice bin. The inspector ordered the ice to be discarded.
Lambeau Field
Green Bay Packers
Vendors with critical violations: 18%
Yellow "wet floor" signs were ordered to be removed from use. The large puddles of urine on the concrete was deemed to be a safety hazard.
Miller Park
Milwaukee Brewers
Vendors with critical violations: 33%
Inspection report excerpt: Mold was growing in ice machines at six locations.
fixed.
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I actually don't really disagree with this blogger. He's talking about pro stadiums. And for pro sports stadiums, the BC is probably near the back of the pack. Definitely in the NBA. Its old as crap and has no character or any of the modern amenities (like a sit-down restaurant).
But whatever, for Marquette basketball, its great. It gets loud as hell in there and you can pack 19,000+. What's not to like? I can see the Bucks wanting out, but as far as NCAA arenas its gotta be above average, if not better.
I agree... there are no distinguishing features of the building other than it sucking camel-cock. Its old. Ugly. There are no restaurants in building. There are virtually no redeeming qualities of the arena... but hey it's still better than the piss drenched craphole that DePaul uses to get ass unnatural carnal knowledgeed in
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Its old as crap
I'm getting old, apparently. It's barely 20 years old and that's "old as crap"? Yikes.
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I actually don't really disagree with this blogger. He's talking about pro stadiums. And for pro sports stadiums, the BC is probably near the back of the pack. Definitely in the NBA. Its old as crap and has no character or any of the modern amenities (like a sit-down restaurant).
But whatever, for Marquette basketball, its great. It gets loud as hell in there and you can pack 19,000+. What's not to like? I can see the Bucks wanting out, but as far as NCAA arenas its gotta be above average, if not better.
Exactly. The arena was built as a hockey arena and that is why the site lines are so bad in spots and that the nosebleeds are terrible for a bball game. It was also built at the end of an era and right before the "modern" stadiums have been built with suites and restaurants that make them profitable.
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I know this is a pro sports poll, but for those that haven't been to other BE arenas, the BC is one of the best. Gampel & XL Center in CT suck, the Dunkin Donuts Center in Providence has improved, but still not that great. The Carrier Dome blows for b-ball, the RAC is a high school gym. The only better ones I have been to are the Verizon Center in DC and MSG.
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Definitely in the NBA. Its old as crap and has no character or any of the modern amenities (like a sit-down restaurant).
I know that team's love to have restaurants and bars in their stadiums now, but from a fan's perspective, is there really a need?
There are 3 or 4 places literally across the street and if you walk a couple of blocks you have dozens of choices.
I don't know that I really need/want a restaurant in my basketball arena. Again, from a team's perspective, I get it. But, if we are evaluating from a fan's perspective, I don't really see a big need. Give me more escalators, upgraded food at the concessions, more urinals and wider walkways.
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I'm getting old, apparently. It's barely 20 years old and that's "old as crap"? Yikes.
For a professional sports arena, yes 20 is starting to push it in age...
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I'm getting old, apparently. It's barely 20 years old and that's "old as crap"? Yikes.
Yeah no kidding.
I remember when I first walked in the place and it HAD ESCALATORS!!!! And the hallways were so wide and didn't smell of urine!!!
Now it's old and it's ugly.
I guess I have seen too many games at MECCA and the old Wisconsin Fieldhouse to ever really feel that way about the BC.
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For a professional sports arena, yes 20 is starting to push it in age...
If only Cleveland could have to something show for building both the Gund and Quicken Loans in the past 20 years...
/cheapshot
//too soon?
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I know this is a pro sports poll, but for those that haven't been to other BE arenas, the BC is one of the best. Gampel & XL Center in CT suck, the Dunkin Donuts Center in Providence has improved, but still not that great. The Carrier Dome blows for b-ball, the RAC is a high school gym. The only better ones I have been to are the Verizon Center in DC and MSG.
Verizon Center would be awesome for hockey, but it's too big for college hoops. The sightlines in the upper deck are brutal. I can see why Georgetown doesn't have much of an atmosphere there.
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If someone mention's "on-campus arena," so help me....
Dang it.
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You can buy beer at the BC cant you? That puts it in the upper realm of collegate arenas right there
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He has obviously never been to Arco Arena.
Arco was built to be a temporary stadium, then it was built up to seat 18K, which is the second smallest in America. It's in the middle of nowhere, twenty miles from downtown, and it's a concrete eyesore in a cornfield. It creaks, it's older than the Bradley Center's most recent renovation, it has so many broken seats that they've started replacing blue armrests on red seats and vice versa, creating an ugly lower bowl even when fans aren't there. Nobody in Sacramento even likes that place and are adamantly pursuing a new arena because we recognize we need one.
This idiot even ranks Fenway up there. I understand Fenway is old and tearing down, but Wrigley is in far worse condition.
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For a professional sports arena, yes 20 is starting to push it in age...
There's something very wrong with that perception, in my opinion. Cities and taxpayers can't be expected to just churn out new sandboxes every 20 years to help a billionaire owner and millionaire players. That model will not sustain itself, especially with the revenue situation cities and states are already having.
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There's something very wrong with that perception, in my opinion. Cities and taxpayers can't be expected to just churn out new sandboxes every 20 years to help a billionaire owner and millionaire players. That model will not sustain itself, especially with the revenue situation cities and states are already having.
Agreed. And people tend to to forget the Bradley Center was a GIFT to the city of Milwaukee. I understand upkeep is not free, but c'mon people. People really want a new arena so it can have a bar or restaurant in it? Hey taxpayers, build us a $400 million TGI Fridays.
The only argument I do understand is from a revenue standpoint, in regards to suites and courtside seats...
PS: The Bradley Center was not a gift so Jane Pettit could get some huge tax breaks (see Cowboys and Yankees stadium). The building is fine, the Bucks, if they remain viable, and the economy improves, a new arena may need to be considered in the next 5-7 years.
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There's something very wrong with that perception, in my opinion. Cities and taxpayers can't be expected to just churn out new sandboxes every 20 years to help a billionaire owner and millionaire players. That model will not sustain itself, especially with the revenue situation cities and states are already having.
I agree with this. It is an arms race that is only done because owners leverage cities against one another.
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I know that team's love to have restaurants and bars in their stadiums now, but from a fan's perspective, is there really a need?
There are 3 or 4 places literally across the street and if you walk a couple of blocks you have dozens of choices.
I don't know that I really need/want a restaurant in my basketball arena. Again, from a team's perspective, I get it. But, if we are evaluating from a fan's perspective, I don't really see a big need. Give me more escalators, upgraded food at the concessions, more urinals and wider walkways.
I'll never get past going to Miller Park and watch people literally spend the whole game in a bar watching it on a tv to pay $7 drinks. Couldn't you have done that down the block and saved on admission and parking?
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Art's should just build a tunnel to the BC
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There's something very wrong with that perception, in my opinion. Cities and taxpayers can't be expected to just churn out new sandboxes every 20 years to help a billionaire owner and millionaire players. That model will not sustain itself, especially with the revenue situation cities and states are already having.
100% correct. Perceptions are wrong as often as not. Pays not to worry much about them.
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Apparently they have never seen the sears center in Hoffman Estates, Illinois. Watched MU get rocked by Dayton there two years ago. Not a fun place to watch a game.
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He has obviously never been to Arco Arena.
Arco was built to be a temporary stadium, then it was built up to seat 18K, which is the second smallest in America. It's in the middle of nowhere, twenty miles from downtown, and it's a concrete eyesore in a cornfield. It creaks, it's older than the Bradley Center's most recent renovation, it has so many broken seats that they've started replacing blue armrests on red seats and vice versa, creating an ugly lower bowl even when fans aren't there. Nobody in Sacramento even likes that place and are adamantly pursuing a new arena because we recognize we need one.
And that's why the Maloof brothers will try to move to Las Vegas or Seattle.
Sacto doesn't deserve a basketball team.
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He has obviously never been to Arco Arena.
Arco was built to be a temporary stadium, then it was built up to seat 18K, which is the second smallest in America. It's in the middle of nowhere, twenty miles from downtown, and it's a concrete eyesore in a cornfield. It creaks, it's older than the Bradley Center's most recent renovation, it has so many broken seats that they've started replacing blue armrests on red seats and vice versa, creating an ugly lower bowl even when fans aren't there. Nobody in Sacramento even likes that place and are adamantly pursuing a new arena because we recognize we need one.
If we trust Wikipedia, Arco and the BC are the same age, with the BC breaking ground first and opening a month earlier.
That would fall in line with what I remember reading a while back: The BC was the third oldest NBA building, behind Key Arena and MSG. With the Sonics in OKC now, that makes the BC the 2nd oldest building.
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There's something very wrong with that perception, in my opinion. Cities and taxpayers can't be expected to just churn out new sandboxes every 20 years to help a billionaire owner and millionaire players. That model will not sustain itself, especially with the revenue situation cities and states are already having.
My favorite argument, of the many disingenuous arguments for a new stadium, is that there will be development around it that will create enough tax revenue to offset the cost of the subsidies to build the stadium.
If that's true for the Bradley Center, I would like to know what existing retail/restaurant activity would exist around the Bradley Center if it were rebuilt that could not exist now if developers thought there was enough demand.
Will more people hit up OGBH after a Marquette game in a new Bradley Center versus the existing Bradley Center?
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That would fall in line with what I remember reading a while back: The BC was the third oldest NBA building, behind Key Arena and MSG. With the Sonics in OKC now, that makes the BC the 2nd oldest building.
The BC became the third oldest building when Key Arena was vacated, it was previously the 4th oldest. MSG is the oldest, followed by Oracle Arena in Oakland, then the BC.
Of course, if you really want to break out down, you could argue that the BC actually feels more outdated than MSG and Oracle, because both of those stadiums have undergone extensive renovations since the BC opened, MSG in 1991 and Oracle in 1997....and MSG is scheduled to do another one before the 2011-12 season.
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My favorite argument, of the many disingenuous arguments for a new stadium, is that there will be development around it that will create enough tax revenue to offset the cost of the subsidies to build the stadium.
If that's true for the Bradley Center, I would like to know what existing retail/restaurant activity would exist around the Bradley Center if it were rebuilt that could not exist now if developers thought there was enough demand.
Agreed. Although one argument somewhat in the same vein that has made sense to me is when people say that the best thing for a new BC would have been putting Miller Park downtown. When there was rumblings about jamming Miller Park into that area behind the Bradley, it makes sense that the Bradley would have looked horrible in comparison, and in the grand vision of a sports district downtown, a decision would have been pushed to at the very least renovate.
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My favorite argument, of the many disingenuous arguments for a new stadium, is that there will be development around it that will create enough tax revenue to offset the cost of the subsidies to build the stadium.
If that's true for the Bradley Center, I would like to know what existing retail/restaurant activity would exist around the Bradley Center if it were rebuilt that could not exist now if developers thought there was enough demand.
Will more people hit up OGBH after a Marquette game in a new Bradley Center versus the existing Bradley Center?
I'll talk to my friends grandparents see if they can get something going ;)
The Bucks just wont feel the same if a non-politician owns it, so I'll take care of that too.
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If only Cleveland could have to something show for building both the Gund and Quicken Loans in the past 20 years...
/cheapshot
//too soon?
Gund and the Q are the same building. It's just a naming rights deal.
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As best one could tell, the court is on street level, which means that immediately after entering, you have to hike UP to your seats, which a) sucks because walking up stairs is hard
I couldn't stop laughing when I saw this. Walking up stairs is hard? That's your gripe? ROFL, what a sissy. If walking up stairs is hard, I have two suggestions, a) stay at home on your couch with pork rinds and Mickey D's burgers or b) walk some more stairs, you probably need it!
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I couldn't stop laughing when I saw this. Walking up stairs is hard? That's your gripe? ROFL, what a sissy. If walking up stairs is hard, I have two suggestions, a) stay at home on your couch with pork rinds and Mickey D's burgers or b) walk some more stairs, you probably need it!
Or use the escalators like everyone else.
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If only Cleveland could have to something show for building both the Gund and Quicken Loans in the past 20 years...
/cheapshot
//too soon?
That's the same building... ??
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There's something very wrong with that perception, in my opinion. Cities and taxpayers can't be expected to just churn out new sandboxes every 20 years to help a billionaire owner and millionaire players. That model will not sustain itself, especially with the revenue situation cities and states are already having.
I agree with you, but it is how most people are viewing it, never said it was the correct way it should be viewed.
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You can buy beer at the BC cant you? That puts it in the upper realm of collegate arenas right there
THIS!!
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The BC became the third oldest building when Key Arena was vacated, it was previously the 4th oldest. MSG is the oldest, followed by Oracle Arena in Oakland, then the BC.
Of course, if you really want to break out down, you could argue that the BC actually feels more outdated than MSG and Oracle, because both of those stadiums have undergone extensive renovations since the BC opened, MSG in 1991 and Oracle in 1997....and MSG is scheduled to do another one before the 2011-12 season.
Hasn't there been talk for a BC renovation (though I dont think it was a lot of money compared to most stadium renovations)? Would love it if they could make it more basketball-viewing friendly - like removing that stupid hole at both ends of the court and getting more seat closer to the court. I could be wrong, but The BC could probably add another 1000 or so seats, especially in the lower bowls if that hole wasn't there (Hell, Allen Fieldhouse now gets up to around 16,000 now because of how they added new seats new- and that place is tiny).
Just look at the difference between Kansas City's New Sprint Center and the BC....why is there that hole there...is it really because it was made for hockey originally?
I could care less about restaurants and concessions, I want it improved for the atmosphere (which is already great at the big games).