CBS Sportline RPI
3 Duke 35-5
6 Kansas State 29-8
21 Wisconsin 24-9
26 Vanderbilt 24-9
37 Gonzaga 27-7
108 Green Bay 22-13
131 Milwaukee 20-14
167 Texas A&M-Corpus Christi 17-15
218 South Dakota 22-10
258 Bucknell 14-17
272 Prairie View A&M 16-14
285 Longwood 12-19
315 Centenary 8-21
328 Mississppi Valley State 9-23
Even considering that we'll only get 2 of Duke, KState and Gonzaga, that's pretty respectable.
Longwood?
Really wish we'd replace a few of those sub-250 teams with teams in the 150-200 range. I realize we don't really choose Bucknell, with the CBE, but say we replaced Prairie View A&M, Longwood, Centenary, and Mississippi Valley State with...
171 Southern Illinois 14-15
176 Massachusetts 11-20
177 La Salle 12-18
186 Valparaiso 12-17
I would still expect us to win those games without too much struggle, but it would vastly improve our RPI come March. Would also get us television coverage in parts of Illinois (plenty of MU fans still), the East Coast for UMass, Philadelphia for La Salle, and maybe Brenden Dawson could watch us play Valpo :D
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 24, 2010, 10:22:33 AM
Really wish we'd replace a few of those sub-250 teams with teams in the 150-200 range. I realize we don't really choose Bucknell, with the CBE, but say we replaced Prairie View A&M, Longwood, Centenary, and Mississippi Valley State with...
171 Southern Illinois 14-15
176 Massachusetts 11-20
177 La Salle 12-18
186 Valparaiso 12-17
I would still expect us to win those games without too much struggle, but it would vastly improve our RPI come March. Would also get us television coverage in parts of Illinois (plenty of MU fans still), the East Coast for UMass, Philadelphia for La Salle, and maybe Brenden Dawson could watch us play Valpo :D
Oh great, now you tell us! Where the heck were you when we were putting the schedule together. huh?
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 24, 2010, 10:22:33 AM
Really wish we'd replace a few of those sub-250 teams with teams in the 150-200 range. I realize we don't really choose Bucknell, with the CBE, but say we replaced Prairie View A&M, Longwood, Centenary, and Mississippi Valley State with...
171 Southern Illinois 14-15
176 Massachusetts 11-20
177 La Salle 12-18
186 Valparaiso 12-17
I would still expect us to win those games without too much struggle, but it would vastly improve our RPI come March. Would also get us television coverage in parts of Illinois (plenty of MU fans still), the East Coast for UMass, Philadelphia for La Salle, and maybe Brenden Dawson could watch us play Valpo :D
Sounds nice...unfortunately all of those teams would like a return game eventually.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 24, 2010, 10:22:33 AM
Really wish we'd replace a few of those sub-250 teams with teams in the 150-200 range. I realize we don't really choose Bucknell, with the CBE, but say we replaced Prairie View A&M, Longwood, Centenary, and Mississippi Valley State with...
171 Southern Illinois 14-15
176 Massachusetts 11-20
177 La Salle 12-18
186 Valparaiso 12-17
I would still expect us to win those games without too much struggle, but it would vastly improve our RPI come March. Would also get us television coverage in parts of Illinois (plenty of MU fans still), the East Coast for UMass, Philadelphia for La Salle, and maybe Brenden Dawson could watch us play Valpo :D
I think you're overlooking a key component of the RPI, and that's our opponents' w/l record..
Prairie View A&M's winning record (16-14) would have been better for our RPI than UMass 11-20 or LaSalle's 12-18. Even though Prairie View's opponents w/l would have been worse, its only half the weighting as their own record.
There might be other good reasons to schedule LaSalle or UMass, however improving the RPI isn't one of them.
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 24, 2010, 12:57:19 PM
I think you're overlooking a key component of the RPI, and that's our opponents' w/l record..
Prairie View A&M's winning record (16-14) would have been better for our RPI than UMass 11-20 or LaSalle's 12-18. Even though Prairie View's opponents w/l would have been worse, its only half the weighting as their own record.
There might be other good reasons to schedule LaSalle or UMass, however improving the RPI isn't one of them.
Ummm, the opponents' RPI already reflects their W/L record. Their RPIs are still much better than the sub-300 teams.
Quote from: Nukem2 on July 24, 2010, 01:44:11 PM
Ummm, the opponents' RPI already reflects their W/L record. Their RPIs are still much better than the sub-300 teams.
You're forgetting that the weighting of the factors is different--almost exactly opposite.
Prairie view's own W/L record is weighted only 25% for them, but would be factored at 50% for our RPI.
Prairie view's opponents record is weighted at 50% for them, but only 25% for us.
Prairie view's opponents opponents record is weighted at 25% for them, and not included at all for us.
So here's the direct comparison:
Prairie View
16-14 record, or a .5333 winning percentage
Opponents average winning percentage is .4091
LaSalle
12-18 record, or a .4000 winning percentage
Opponents average winning percentage is .5436
There's no debate that LaSalle played a tougher schedule, and thats why they have a worse record. The RPI rewads LaSalle for their schedule--not their winning percentage.
However, if we played both teams, the weighting would be different.
If we played Prairie View:
.5 x .5333 + .25 x .4091 = .3689
If we played LaSalle:
.5 X .4000 + .25 x .5436 = .3359
.3698 > .3359, therefore it helps our RPI more to have played Prairie View, despite their lower RPI. I've included the data below, so you can plug it into your own spread sheet and run the numbers if you want.
However, once you do you'll reach the conclusion that from an RPI perspective it is almost always better to play the team with a better winning percentage. When its as significant as the difference between Prairie View and LaSalle, its a no brainer.
Data:
Prairie View 16 14
(113) New Mexico St. 22 12
(17) Texas A&M 24 10
(173) Iowa 10 22
(222) Arkansas Pine Bluff 18 16
(222) Arkansas Pine Bluff 18 16
(256) Air Force 10 21
(268) Texas Southern 17 16
(268) Texas Southern 17 16
(268) Texas Southern 17 16
(276) Jackson St. 19 13
(276) Jackson St. 19 13
(293) Alabama St. 16 15
(293) Alabama St. 16 15
(298) Florida Gulf Coast 8 21
(326) Mississippi Valley St. 9 23
(326) Mississippi Valley St. 9 23
(334) Alabama A&M 11 16
(334) Alabama A&M 11 16
(342) Grambling 7 21
(342) Grambling 7 21
(345) Southern 5 25
(345) Southern 5 25
(347) Alcorn St. 2 29
(347) Alcorn St. 2 29
(40) Oklahoma St. 22 11
(75) Cincinnati 19 16
LaSalle 12 18
(104) Charlotte 19 12
(116) George Washington 16 15
(116) George Washington 16 15
(135) St. Bonaventure 15 16
(14) Xavier 22 9
(148) Duquesne 16 16
(163) Massachusetts 12 20
(163) Massachusetts 12 20
(175) Saint Joseph's 11 20
(184) Rider 17 16
(194) Davidson 16 15
(2) Kansas 33 3
(21) Villanova 25 8
(216) Hampton 14 18
(218) Tulane 8 22
(22) Temple 29 6
(22) Temple 29 6
(235) Bucknell 14 17
(239) Lafayette 19 13
(26) Dayton 25 12
(275) Binghamton 13 18
(299) Pennsylvania 6 22
(307) Fordham 2 26
(311) Hartford 8 22
(40) Oklahoma St. 22 11
(48) Richmond 26 9
(52) Cornell 29 5
(66) Rhode Island 26 10
(84) South Carolina 15 16
(94) St. Louis 23 13
I wouldn't mind a home and home with SIU
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 24, 2010, 02:59:53 PM
You're forgetting that the weighting of the factors is different--almost exactly opposite.
Its rather obvious that the NCAA committe uses the RPI for organizational purposes only. Your example is a good example why thats the case. The RPI is hocus pocus. I would suggest that the committee would reward us far more for playing the LaSalles than it would re Prarie Views. The committee members are not without some acumen on the subject.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on July 24, 2010, 06:42:35 AM
Longwood?
I think they're 2 or 3 years into being a D1 school.
http://www.mvsu.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/schedule.php
Mississippi Valley State are playing alot of big boys!!
http://www.mvsu.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/article.php?entryID=2298
Very good recruiting class coming in.
Quote from: Nukem2 on July 24, 2010, 04:37:06 PM
Its rather obvious that the NCAA committe uses the RPI for organizational purposes only. Your example is a good example why thats the case. The RPI is hocus pocus. I would suggest that the committee would reward us far more for playing the LaSalles than it would re Prarie Views. The committee members are not without some acumen on the subject.
This is now a completely different point. I responded to someone who posted that "it would vastly improve our RPI come March" to play teams like LaSalle instead of Prairie View. This is a common misconception, and with the data clearly shows it. Playing a team like LaSalle harms our RPI.
I have to take issue with your point that the committee is going to consider cupcakes rather than RPI. We beat Georgetown head to head, and finished ahead of them in conference play. The quality of our wins and their wins--both in and out of conference--were nearly identical. The only substantial difference? Georgetown was 7th in the RPI and we were 50th.
I think the committee starts with the RPI rank, then looks for reasons to move teams up or down. There was no reason to move Georgetown down, so they got a seed pretty much in line (within one seed line) of where their RPI suggested they should be placed. Obviously we moved up because we had a number of good wins.
Well, with playing Green Bay this year we are playing every D1 school in the state, so hopefully we can claim the state championship.
Kudos on getting South Dakota on the schedule. I think that's the kind of opponent everyone wants, and teh foresight to get them under contract last year and then have them go 22-10 was a great move.