http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2010/06/30/marquette-screws-d-j-newbill-via-oversigning/
We made another website, oversigning.com which does a good job explaining why oversigning is a rule the NCAA needs to get a handle on.
Oh no, not oversigning.com!
With this kind of heat, Buzz might as well start looking for a new career.
Then again, being compared to Nick Saban might not be the worst thing in the world.
I must say, however, you continue to impress with your ability to unearth every obscure Web site out there whenever there's something negative about MU to be found.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 02, 2010, 12:38:56 AM
Oh no, not oversigning.com!
With this kind of heat, Buzz might as well start looking for a new career.
Then again, being compared to Nick Saban might not be the worst thing in the world.
I must say, however, you continue to impress with your ability to unearth every obscure Web site out there whenever there's something negative about MU to be found.
setting up a google alert for "buzz williams" isn't that tough
Great, another thread.
Here's what I would love to know. I've been reading about this NLI stuff on here all day. I realize it's a binding contract - so long as certain terms are met. One of these terms is that the athlete is applied and accepted to a school. If there's funny business regarding the acceptance, that's one thing, but there should be NO funny business surrounding the application. WHY didn't DJ Newbill even have a Marquette application submitted? Shouldn't that be step 1a on his list of things to do if he was so gung-ho about this school?
I know these aren't significant or heavily-read sources, but Marquette Basketball is getting more bad press than I can remember in a very long time...hope its all worth it, no matter our level of fault in this situation....
Quote from: MarkCharles on July 02, 2010, 01:01:44 AM
I know these aren't significant or heavily-read sources, but Marquette Basketball is getting more bad press than I can remember in a very long time...hope its all worth it, no matter our level of fault in this situation....
Some douchebag with an agenda and a blog (or a moniker on a message board) is not bad press. It's completely irrelevant.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2010, 12:21:28 AM
http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2010/06/30/marquette-screws-d-j-newbill-via-oversigning/
We made another website, oversigning.com which does a good job explaining why oversigning is a rule the NCAA needs to get a handle on.
I've been viewing this site for a long time. There have been a lot of idiots and even more idiotic comments (especially those made from badger fans), but I have always been able to quell the urge to register an account and point out the idiocy. After reading your drama-queen posts the last 2 days about the newbill-wilson fiasco I couldn't help it anymore. What do you plan to gain from making comment after comment, thread after thread restating your position over and over. We understand you're upset and that you want everyone that has ever enjoyed a Marquette basketball game ever to be upset about it too --- but that will never happen. You have NO IDEA what actually happened here and you NEVER WILL. Many of the people you're trying to convert are just as convinced that you're the one that must be converted. So do yourself a favor, quit whining about the subject unless you have something new and groundbreaking to say and just enjoy Marquette basketball.
/end random rant from a nobody.
Quote from: CrazyEcho on July 02, 2010, 01:07:25 AM
Some douchebag with an agenda and a blog (or a moniker on a message board) is not bad press. It's completely irrelevant.
I mean to give these people no credibility whatsoever. Im just saying, how often besides this incident is Marquette written about in a bad light by people who aren't Bucky fans? I know the internet culture of today gives a lot of people waaaaay too loud of a voice, but this is still negative....exposure, I'll call it.
By the way, I'd expect this much from random blogs, but the ESPN headline on their cbb page was shameless. Since when does losing your 13th player to have a stud waiting in the wings equate to "Major turnover on Marquette roster"??
Quote from: Pakuni on July 02, 2010, 12:38:56 AM
Oh no, not oversigning.com!
With this kind of heat, Buzz might as well start looking for a new career.
Then again, being compared to Nick Saban might not be the worst thing in the world.
I must say, however, you continue to impress with your ability to unearth every obscure Web site out there whenever there's something negative about MU to be found.
Google alert, try it. They come to me, I don't search for them at all. Anything else....do you want to add more input on how the Newbill family is lying as you implied today?
At this point, the Newbill camp is saying and doing anything it can to make DJ look as sympathetic as possible. I believe that all parties knew what the deal was and that the Newbill camp is now trying to save face.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on July 02, 2010, 01:10:50 AM
I've been viewing this site for a long time. There have been a lot of idiots and even more idiotic comments (especially those made from badger fans), but I have always been able to quell the urge to register an account and point out the idiocy. After reading your drama-queen posts the last 2 days about the newbill-wilson fiasco I couldn't help it anymore. What do you plan to gain from making comment after comment, thread after thread restating your position over and over. We understand you're upset and that you want everyone that has ever enjoyed a Marquette basketball game ever to be upset about it too --- but that will never happen. You have NO IDEA what actually happened here and you NEVER WILL. Many of the people you're trying to convert are just as convinced that you're the one that must be converted. So do yourself a favor, quit whining about the subject unless you have something new and groundbreaking to say and just enjoy Marquette basketball.
/end random rant from a nobody.
Bravo! Excellent first post!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2010, 02:01:22 AM
Google alert, try it. They come to me, I don't search for them at all. Anything else....do you want to add more input on how the Newbill family is lying as you implied today?
Umm ... where exactly did I imply anything of the sort?
Don't worry ... I don't actually expect a reply because you'll figure out I made no such implication and then pretend you never said this. In fact, you'll discover I haven't said a single word, good or bad, about the Newbill family.
You and your brother in arms are pretty good about making accusations, not so good about backing them up.
Chicos...I generally like your thought process on a number of topics.
But you really need to learn the line between making a good point, and pissing everyone off when you don't eventually just let it go.
Quote from: MarkCharles on July 02, 2010, 01:41:42 AM
I mean to give these people no credibility whatsoever. Im just saying, how often besides this incident is Marquette written about in a bad light by people who aren't Bucky fans? I know the internet culture of today gives a lot of people waaaaay too loud of a voice, but this is still negative....exposure, I'll call it.
By the way, I'd expect this much from random blogs, but the ESPN headline on their cbb page was shameless. Since when does losing your 13th player to have a stud waiting in the wings equate to "Major turnover on Marquette roster"??
Considering ESPN is Connecticut-founded and based, and that MU has performed quite well against UCONN since joining Big East play (as well as against the rest of the league), perhaps there is a bias against MU by the writer of such article? I do not like negative publicity, and I sincerely hope Buzz learns from this..that no matyter what deal you have going into a deal...the player can always spin it in a negative light. Fortunately, thus far..Buzz's recruiting hasn't been impacted by any of this..and we've probably never had as much talent assembled at MU..and we are on the verge oof becoming a Big Time program..and that may cause some insecurity toward MU..and result in a desire to pain MU in a bad light...
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 02, 2010, 07:55:26 AM
But you really need to learn the line between making a good point, and pissing everyone off when you don't eventually just let it go.
Thank you.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2010, 02:01:22 AM
Google alert, try it. They come to me, I don't search for them at all. Anything else....do you want to add more input on how the Newbill family is lying as you implied today?
You provide us with almost all of the negative stories about MU that are posted on this board and almost none of the positive ones. Do you have a filter on your Google alert that only sends you obscure sights that rip MU?
Quote from: jeffreyweee on July 02, 2010, 01:10:50 AM
I've been viewing this site for a long time. There have been a lot of idiots and even more idiotic comments (especially those made from badger fans), but I have always been able to quell the urge to register an account and point out the idiocy. After reading your drama-queen posts the last 2 days about the newbill-wilson fiasco I couldn't help it anymore. What do you plan to gain from making comment after comment, thread after thread restating your position over and over. We understand you're upset and that you want everyone that has ever enjoyed a Marquette basketball game ever to be upset about it too --- but that will never happen. You have NO IDEA what actually happened here and you NEVER WILL. Many of the people you're trying to convert are just as convinced that you're the one that must be converted. So do yourself a favor, quit whining about the subject unless you have something new and groundbreaking to say and just enjoy Marquette basketball.
/end random rant from a nobody.
This one goes in the first post "Hall of Fame". Dead on.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 02, 2010, 12:38:56 AM
Oh no, not oversigning.com!
With this kind of heat, Buzz might as well start looking for a new career.
Then again, being compared to Nick Saban might not be the worst thing in the world.
I must say, however, you continue to impress with your ability to unearth every obscure Web site out there whenever there's something negative about MU to be found.
Two questions:
1. Do you think its possible that other NCAA coaches might know of this site and print a copy of their article for future reference?
2. Do you think that if any of those coaches find themselves in competition for a recruit with MU that they wouldn't include a copy in their communications with recruits?
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 02, 2010, 11:19:34 AM
Two questions:
1. Do you think its possible that other NCAA coaches might know of this site and print a copy of their article for future reference?
2. Do you think that if any of those coaches find themselves in competition for a recruit with MU that they wouldn't include a copy in their communications with recruits?
Big time college basketball coaches live in glass houses. They needs to be careful what they dig up because another coach could likely find similar dirt on them.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on July 02, 2010, 11:25:45 AM
Big time college basketball coaches live in glass houses. They needs to be careful what they dig up because another coach could likely find similar dirt on them.
Exactly. How naive to think that a coach is going to actually print out a STORY FROM THE INTERNET and send it along with recruiting materials? HA HA HA
Quote from: jeffreyweee on July 02, 2010, 01:10:50 AM
I've been viewing this site for a long time. There have been a lot of idiots and even more idiotic comments (especially those made from badger fans), but I have always been able to quell the urge to register an account and point out the idiocy. After reading your drama-queen posts the last 2 days about the newbill-wilson fiasco I couldn't help it anymore. What do you plan to gain from making comment after comment, thread after thread restating your position over and over. We understand you're upset and that you want everyone that has ever enjoyed a Marquette basketball game ever to be upset about it too --- but that will never happen. You have NO IDEA what actually happened here and you NEVER WILL. Many of the people you're trying to convert are just as convinced that you're the one that must be converted. So do yourself a favor, quit whining about the subject unless you have something new and groundbreaking to say and just enjoy Marquette basketball.
/end random rant from a nobody.
Terrific debut. Reminded me of in a movie where a fringe character pops up at a random time and lets everyone else know how ridiculously they are acting with an epic rant no one saw coming. This jumps to mind...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF7ouCjSPB4
Does anyone in this room consider the possibility that there's more to this story than meets the eye? Perhaps it is possible... and I certainly hope so.
Marquette is legally prohibited from sharing certain elements of any student or prospective strudent's academic and social records with the general public. And with good reason. Perhaps Buzz is taking the heat for someone who for some reason we'll never know may not fit at Marquette. It's possible that Buzz and Marquette are taking heat so the student doesn't have to.
Look, the bringing on of Jamil as DJ says goobye looks unappealing in the worst way. But remeber that looks can be deceiving.
Maybe I am wrong... but I don't know and until I do, I'm unwilling to judge.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 02, 2010, 10:28:12 AM
This one goes in the first post "Hall of Fame". Dead on.
No, it does not. 1 post, 1 personal attack. That's not to be celebrated. It's exactly what we need people knock off.
Quote from: MarkCharles on July 02, 2010, 11:44:18 AM
Terrific debut. Reminded me of in a movie where a fringe character pops up at a random time and lets everyone else know how ridiculously they are acting with an epic rant no one saw coming. This jumps to mind...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF7ouCjSPB4
It was definitely the goat of first posts. Didn't think there ever be a day that "Waiting" would be referenced here.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 02, 2010, 11:50:19 AM
No, it does not. 1 post, 1 personal attack. That's not to be celebrated. It's exactly what we need people knock off.
Where do you see a specific personal attack. Just looks like a general rant about the postings here.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 02, 2010, 11:50:19 AM
No, it does not. 1 post, 1 personal attack. That's not to be celebrated. It's exactly what we need people knock off.
It doesn't look like a personal attack to me. If anything, I'd call it self-defense.
Quote from: hairyworthen on July 02, 2010, 11:59:06 AM
Where do you see a specific personal attack. Just looks like a general rant about the postings here.
The post quoted, and was clearly aimed at one individual, about him, rather than his arguments.
Quote from: Benny B on July 02, 2010, 12:11:26 PM
It doesn't look like a personal attack to me. If anything, I'd call it self-defense.
In order for it to be "self-defense", the poster would have had to have posted before. And calling people idiots or drama-queens isn't a personal attack?
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Debate the merits of the issue. Pretty simple rule, guys.
If you don't like what's getting posted, especially by a single poster, there's always the "ignore" button. Use it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 02, 2010, 12:21:28 AM
http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2010/06/30/marquette-screws-d-j-newbill-via-oversigning/
We made another website, oversigning.com which does a good job explaining why oversigning is a rule the NCAA needs to get a handle on.
Chicos didn't get this google alert because he's interested in MU, he got it because he has google alerts for TC, who also happened to be noted on this site a few weeks back. http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2010/06/18/indiana-crean-on-the-clock/#more-1419
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2010, 04:28:34 PM
Chicos didn't get this google alert because he's interested in MU, he got it because he has google alerts for TC, who also happened to be noted on this site a few weeks back. http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2010/06/18/indiana-crean-on-the-clock/#more-1419
Incorrect...I don't have any Crean google alerts, I have them setup for Marquette and Buzz Williams. That's it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 02, 2010, 10:25:17 AM
You provide us with almost all of the negative stories about MU that are posted on this board and almost none of the positive ones. Do you have a filter on your Google alert that only sends you obscure sights that rip MU?
Incorrect, I present plenty of positive ones, you just don't read them or ignore them. I'm sorry that you're a selective reader, that's your problem.
Do a search, it's not hard.
Quote from: avid1010 on July 02, 2010, 04:28:34 PM
Chicos didn't get this google alert because he's interested in MU, he got it because he has google alerts for TC, who also happened to be noted on this site a few weeks back. http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2010/06/18/indiana-crean-on-the-clock/#more-1419
Reading that story about Crean, is it really ethically worse to back out of a NLI like happened to Newbill compared to Crean basically pushing two guys out of the program who failed to live up to his expectations so those spots could be filled with new recruits?
I'm not asking in a Buzz vs Crean matter because Indiana doing some spring Creaning for guys who haven't performed well on the court does happen a lot elsewhere. I ask because to me while both situations are kinda sleazy, if i was a player i think i'd rather be shown the door before even entering a program than to be a freshman/sophomore/junior that a coach pretty much pushed out the door for new recruits. At least a kid in the spot like Newbill has the chance to hopefully find a school and coach he likes that can lead to an enjoyable four year college experience with continuity.
For guys though like Bawa Muniru and Malik Story that Crean ran out of the Indiana program along with the countless other kids in college basketball/football programs that get ran out in similar fashion, they are forced to find a new school to attend after being comfortable in the program that signed them, along with having to sit out a year.
I'm not defending at all what Buzz looks like he did because on the surface it looks slimy, but i do think i'd rather be in DJ's situation than to be run out of a program after i was already situated there for a year or two and then be forced to transfer and have to start all over again.