was signing Newbill to LOI. I'm sure he was trying to cover all scenerios, but the recruit is not BE material, then take a pass. And, if the the plan all along was to push him to prep school, that's all the more reason not to sign him. Apparently Monarch was the lead recruiter and the only coach on staff who thought DJ possessed BE skills.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2010, 03:29:13 PM
was signing Newbill to LOI. I'm sure he was trying to cover all scenerios, but the recruit is not BE material, then take a pass. And, if the the plan all along was to push him to prep school, that's all the more reason not to sign him. Apparently Monarch was the lead recruiter and the only coach on staff who thought DJ possessed BE skills.
What is your basis for saying that Buzz didn't think he's BE material? In fact, IWB's post directly contradicts that: "He will likely head to prep school for a year, but MU gave him his release so, in case he decides to go to another school, he has that option. If he decides to - MU will help him with the process. If he decides to stay with the prep school route - MU will stay on him."
IWB explained that MU's needs had been filled at the guard position, but if we couldn't fill the scholarships with "big men" (presumably 3/4/5s) then he could come on board. He signed a LOI so other schools would stop recruiting him.
Quote from: CrazyEcho on June 30, 2010, 03:31:48 PM
What is your basis for saying that Buzz didn't think he's BE material?
IWB explained that MU's needs had been filled at the guard position, but if we couldn't fill the scholarships with "big men" (presumably 3/4/5s) then he could come on board. He signed a LOI so other schools would stop recruiting him.
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Quote from: reinko on June 30, 2010, 03:34:00 PM
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Nobody said it had to make sense.
I think Crazy Echo makes a good point. He seems to genuinely want to go to MU if not this year maybe next, signing the LOI prevented other pressures from getting in the way of working towards MU even if that means a stop at a prep school along the way.
Newbill had guts. Fortune favors the bold and he almost got to Marquette. I applaud him. Take a big risk. It will all work out for him and he can have no regrets. He took a risk and now he goes prep for a year and goes to a place where he fits great. Maybe even still at Marquette.
Quote from: reinko on June 30, 2010, 03:34:00 PM
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I'm far from a recruiting expert . . . so I'm not 100% sure I'm correct.
If a player signs a National Letter of Intent don't other schools have to stop formally recruiting him?
Quote from: HoopsMalone on June 30, 2010, 03:41:26 PM
Newbill had guts. Fortune favors the bold and he almost got to Marquette. I applaud him. Take a big risk. It will all work out for him and he can have no regrets. He took a risk and now he goes prep for a year and goes to a place where he fits great. Maybe even still at Marquette.
Agreed. Also, no one has heard from DJ himself. For all we know, he could be taking this in stride. Especially if what IWB posted is correct (and I have no reason to believe otherwise).
heres the only factual misunderstanding I probably have on the issue. If Jamil never becomes available, does DJ still go to prep school? or was DJ going to be on the team if no other use for his schollie popped up?
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 30, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
heres the only factual misunderstanding I probably have on the issue. If Jamil never becomes available, does DJ still go to prep school? or was DJ going to be on the team if no other use for his schollie popped up?
My impression is yes he would have.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 30, 2010, 03:46:33 PM
heres the only factual misunderstanding I probably have on the issue. If Jamil never becomes available, does DJ still go to prep school? or was DJ going to be on the team if no other use for his schollie popped up?
Not 100% on this, but I'm pretty sure they knew that Wilson wasn't gonna be quacking in Eugene once Kent got the ax.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on June 30, 2010, 03:41:26 PM
Newbill had guts. Fortune favors the bold and he almost got to Marquette. I applaud him. Take a big risk. It will all work out for him and he can have no regrets. He took a risk and now he goes prep for a year and goes to a place where he fits great. Maybe even still at Marquette.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Newbill will matriculate elsewhere.
I'm still disappointed in Buzz for letting this kid sign a LOI. It was obviously not in Newbill's best interest to sign when he knew Buzz fully intended to go after someone else. Even if Buzz disclosed all the conditions, we're talking about a kid here, and Buzz shouldn't have let him make a dumb decision. If Buzz wasn't 100% committed to taking him on, he should have told him to look elsewhere instead of messing up his chances of catching on with another school this year.
Quote from: swimmer on June 30, 2010, 04:04:39 PM
I'm still disappointed in Buzz for letting this kid sign a LOI. It was obviously not in Newbill's best interest to sign when he knew Buzz fully intended to go after someone else. Even if Buzz disclosed all the conditions, we're talking about a kid here, and Buzz shouldn't have let him make a dumb decision. If Buzz wasn't 100% committed to taking him on, he should have told him to look elsewhere instead of messing up his chances of catching on with another school this year.
DJ wanted to play basketball at MU so bad it was worth the risk to him.
Plus, he got to walk around telling everyone he was headed to the BE next year to play basketball. I think that factor played a much bigger role in all of this than people recognize.
I agree with those who say Buzz should not have accepted Newbill's LOI if he wasn't absolutely certain he would be welcomed on the team this fall. For one thing, Newbill can now no longer play for any other Big East team, even though he may never set foot in a MU classroom. Second, it is not fair to the kid, regardless of how bad he wanted to play at MU, to accept the LOI, and then give him the release. Simply tell him that they can't accept an LOI from him this year, but that they could fit him in after a year at Prep School.
Quote from: Norm on June 30, 2010, 05:21:05 PM
I agree with those who say Buzz should not have accepted Newbill's LOI if he wasn't absolutely certain he would be welcomed on the team this fall. For one thing, Newbill can now no longer play for any other Big East team, even though he may never set foot in a MU classroom. Second, it is not fair to the kid, regardless of how bad he wanted to play at MU, to accept the LOI, and then give him the release. Simply tell him that they can't accept an LOI from him this year, but that they could fit him in after a year at Prep School.
I hate to say it, but might that have been part of the point? You have a potential bench contributor if you can't sign Wilson, and keep him away from the likes of Huggins (who was recruiting him iirc) if you can. A bit devious, but win-win as far as Marquette is concerned.
So Buzz should have done this?!?!:
'OK, DJ, since we're not sure you'll be a part of this team, let's make that public knowledge. We will not let you sign an NLI. Sure, everyone will automatically know your situation clearly. You might not work out -- since the message boards need this information, we need to make it obvious and open to all so they don't whine like girls should you not make the team, which is a real possibility. If you make the team, well, everyone will know that your status was 'might not work out'. If you don't make the team, well,.. same thing. Great idea, yes?!'
Come on. It gets down to the discussions that were had, the specifics of which most of us do not know and should not know. I hope Newbill has a great college experience in the classroom and on the court and am sorry we may not get to see him do either at Marquette. At the same time, I stand behind the leaders of our bball program at Marquette.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2010, 03:29:13 PM
was signing Newbill to LOI. I'm sure he was trying to cover all scenerios, but the recruit is not BE material, then take a pass. And, if the the plan all along was to push him to prep school, that's all the more reason not to sign him. Apparently Monarch was the lead recruiter and the only coach on staff who thought DJ possessed BE skills.
Buzz said that some guys signed will not be coming. That has happened and he has been open and candid about it. Without knowing any of the facts you shoud not jump to any conclusion.
Inquisitive minds need to know:
Why did Wilson wait so long to transfer. Seems he was Oregon history as early as mid-March.
Appears most of this crap was avoidable if announced in March and the process went down then. Just axin'.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2010, 07:45:47 PM
Inquisitive minds need to know:
Why did Wilson wait so long to transfer. Seems he was Oregon history as early as mid-March.
Appears most of this crap was avoidable if announced in March and the process went down then. Just axin'.
Why do you like men and sheep? I don't have (or want) the specifics behind your 'strange' desires. You don't have the specifics on 'this crap' and may never have them - you're not just 'axin', you're being a dill wad (but not as bad as Chicos.. but from her, it's expected).
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2010, 07:45:47 PM
Inquisitive minds need to know:
Why did Wilson wait so long to transfer. Seems he was Oregon history as early as mid-March.
Appears most of this crap was avoidable if announced in March and the process went down then. Just axin'.
Um, perhaps Wilson hadn't decided yet to a) transfer or b) where to transfer to.
But don't let logic get in the way of a good hate.
JB,
Where you been at all these years? Anyone who's paid attention and without reading comprehension issues, knows beyond a doubt, that I can't stomach Crean and haven't since he rear-ended himself vs. Kansas. I have and remain 4 square in Buzz's corner. See no reason to deviate now.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2010, 07:59:52 PM
JB,
Where you been at all these years? Anyone who's paid attention and without reading comprehension issues, knows beyond a doubt, that I can't stomach Crean and haven't since he rear-ended himself vs. Kansas. I have and remain 4 square in Buzz's corner. See no reason to deviate now.
Huh? What does a former coach have to do with this? You're creating inflammatory topics regarding our current coach because of assumptions you're making. It's ridiculous. "Appears most of this crap was avoidable...mid-March"?.. get real.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 30, 2010, 07:39:07 PM
So Buzz should have done this?!?!:
'OK, DJ, since we're not sure you'll be a part of this team, let's make that public knowledge. We will not let you sign an NLI. Sure, everyone will automatically know your situation clearly. You might not work out -- since the message boards need this information, we need to make it obvious and open to all so they don't whine like girls should you not make the team, which is a real possibility. If you make the team, well, everyone will know that your status was 'might not work out'. If you don't make the team, well,.. same thing. Great idea, yes?!'
Come on. It gets down to the discussions that were had, the specifics of which most of us do not know and should not know. I hope Newbill has a great college experience in the classroom and on the court and am sorry we may not get to see him do either at Marquette. At the same time, I stand behind the leaders of our bball program at Marquette.
+1
So, Newbill was the 'hey-if-we're-not-married-to-other-people-by-the-time-we're-30-let's-marry-each-other' recruit. And he knew it. And he was willing to risk it. And plan his life around it. And it didn't work. I don't particularly like it, but if Buzz told this kid what was going to happen from day 1 and he signed the LOI anyway......
Quote from: tower912 on June 30, 2010, 08:23:36 PM
So, Newbill was the 'hey-if-we're-not-married-to-other-people-by-the-time-we're-30-let's-marry-each-other' recruit. And he knew it. And he was willing to risk it. And plan his life around it. And it didn't work. I don't particularly like it, but if Buzz told this kid what was going to happen from day 1 and he signed the LOI anyway......
I guess that's the risk he was taking, but Newbill is an 18 year old and Buzz is almost 40 (I think). I'm sorry, but to me, Buzz should have looked out for Newbill more than he did. If he really didn't think he would make it on Marquette's team if he found another player better than him, then just don't accept the LOI. This could come back to bite Buzz in the butt, especially with recruits in the Philly area.
Quote from: Norm on June 30, 2010, 08:37:21 PM
I guess that's the risk he was taking, but Newbill is an 18 year old and Buzz is almost 40 (I think). I'm sorry, but to me, Buzz should have looked out for Newbill more than he did.
Come on! Newbill may be 18, but I am certain that the others in his circle involved in this are much closer to Buzz's age than they are DJ's. Who signed the damn LOI? Who recommended/allowed him to do so? Now we're blaming Buzz for Newbill and his family/coaches' bad decision?
I will ask for the umpteenth time what Buzz has ever done to lead so many of you to fail to give the benefit of the doubt that he handled this situation in a completely honest and open way?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2010, 07:45:47 PM
Inquisitive minds need to know:
Why did Wilson wait so long to transfer. Seems he was Oregon history as early as mid-March.
Appears most of this crap was avoidable if announced in March and the process went down then. Just axin'.
Oregon is being tough with the releases of the kids they want to keep, hoping that Altman could sway some of them to stay. He didn't get the job until the end of April, so unless Altman definitely didn't want him there was no way it was going to happen quickly.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on June 30, 2010, 08:49:30 PM
Come on! Newbill may be 18, but I am certain that the others in his circle involved in this are much closer to Buzz's age than they are DJ's. Who signed the damn LOI? Who recommended/allowed him to do so? Now we're blaming Buzz for Newbill and his family/coaches' bad decision?
I will ask for the umpteenth time what Buzz has ever done to lead so many of you to fail to give the benefit of the doubt that he handled this situation in a completely honest and open way?
Buzz did not have to send a LOI to Newbill for him to sign, regardless of Newbill's entourage. IF the story that IWB told is close to the truth, then Buzz does deserve some heat over this. It's not the worst thing a coach can do, but I sure wouldn't make a habit of recruiting in this manner.
Buzz is a big boy and had to know how this would be perceived by many followers of the program and Newbill. He seems to be willing to live with it, and if that means taking a little criticism, so be it.
If Buzz himself explains the situation better or someone close to the situation has a different version I'd be more than willing to change my mind.
I still like Buzz and think he has done well at Marquette. I just think the situation with Newbill could have been handled a lot better based on the reports that are out so far.
Quote from: bma725 on June 30, 2010, 08:57:37 PM
Oregon is being tough with the releases of the kids they want to keep, hoping that Altman could sway some of them to stay. He didn't get the job until the end of April, so unless Altman definitely didn't want him there was no way it was going to happen quickly.
This is nothing more than a theory on my part, but I also suspect Wilson has probably been thinking about it for a while, but the decision became real easy for him a week or so ago when he heard the words, "With the 30th pick in the 2010 NBA Draft..."