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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 4everwarriors on June 29, 2010, 09:00:02 PM
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Per PhillyCoach, Newbill is out. Probably opening the door for Wilson. Welcome to bigtime college basketball.
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Per PhillyCoach, Newbill is out. Probably opening the door for Wilson. Welcome to bigtime college basketball.
Who is Wilson?
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Who is Wilson?
Dude, Jamil man. Originally from Racine Horlick. Transfer from Oregon. Obviously, JMay sold him on MU.
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Jamil Wilson, Racine kid who turned us down, went to Oregon, rumored to be on his way back home.
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Jamil Wilson from Racine. He played at Oregon last year. He would sit out a year if he transfers to MU.
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Any one of you cats check out Wilson's facebook and see what's shakin'?
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Nice to know trading is now allowed in college hoops. I hope Barry can trade Jared Bergrren for Robbie Hummel. Roster flexibilty is awesome.
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Nice to know trading is now allowed in college hoops. I hope Barry can trade Jared Bergrren for Robbie Hummel. Roster flexibilty is awesome.
Worked for Bo...Markolf for Brust
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Worked for Bo...Markolf for Brust
Shhh, don't you know that Markolf simply didn't want to play anymore and Brust just happened to be around (and despite his transfer being denied the Badgers appealed and it got through on the appeal).
Nothing to see here, move along.
To this day I always love UW-madison fans and their 7 NCAA probations, top 10 all-time in NCAA history, talk about our ethics considering we have ZERO NCAA probations in our history. Ho hum.
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Worked for Bo...Markolf for Brust
PWNED :)
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Shhh, don't you know that Markolf simply didn't want to play anymore and Brust just happened to be around (and despite his transfer being denied the Badgers appealed and it got through on the appeal).
Nothing to see here, move along.
To this day I always love UW-madison fans and their 7 NCAA probations, top 10 all-time in NCAA history, talk about our ethics considering we have ZERO NCAA probations in our history. Ho hum.
^5 Chicos...+100
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So if we are talking apples to apples... am I to assume Mr Newbill will attending school at Marquette with a very difficult major and not play competitive hoops again?
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I mean really...the coach comes to this board and asks how to register for the Pro-am League?? Doesn't know anything about it....this is b.s.
This Philly coach sounds like a troll...wonder from where?
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I mean really...the coach comes to this board and asks how to register for the Pro-am League?? Doesn't know anything about it....this is b.s.
This Philly coach sounds like a troll...wonder from where?
http://www.myspace.com/cofasportsinc
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Butch, it seems to me that many details are missing, perhaps we should all wait until they come in.
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I mean really...the coach comes to this board and asks how to register for the Pro-am League?? Doesn't know anything about it....this is b.s.
This Philly coach sounds like a troll...wonder from where?
Per PhillyCoach yesterday:
talked to dj and he wants to play. Wants to know what site does he need to go on to sign up for the pro am
According to that, DJ didn't know he was getting voted off the island as of yesterday. Yet Buzz said a while ago that the player who would not be here knew about it. Something doesn't smell right. Is someone else leaving too??
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According to that, DJ didn't know he was getting voted off the island as of yesterday. Yet Buzz said a while ago that the player who would not be here knew about it. Something doesn't smell right. Is someone else leaving too??
no no nothing to see here ....move along
:P ::)
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According to that, DJ didn't know he was getting voted off the island as of yesterday. Yet Buzz said a while ago that the player who would not be here knew about it. Something doesn't smell right. Is someone else leaving too??
no no nothing to see here ....move along
:P ::)
Butch, may you go straight to .. Whatever it takes to make Buzz look bad. You have not a clue how Buzz deals with these things yet here you are fostering rumors on an anonymous message board.
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What rumors did I start (or foster)?
Scum? to hell? Not what I was taught in catholic school. ::)
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Here's a better question.... Why does Butch even care? Honestly, if your a Badger fan, what difference does it make if a MU recruit comes or not. Especially, a guy that UW had no interest in recruiting wise.
The guy just flaming, its that simple. Sad
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Whatever the case, I will look forward to hearing the statement from Buzz regarding this - if this is in fact true. And, if it is true that Newbill was academically qualified/eligible - and was not told from the beginning he was going to prep school (before he signed LOI)...for the first time I will be disappointed with Buzz. Regarding Roseboro, Mbao, Maymon..they all at least got to campus and had a chance to compete - and realized they were either overmatched or unhappy and decided to leave. If DJ is "cut" before ever getting a chance to compete against MU players and show his skills..I'd be very disappointed in Buzz. That type of conduct does not seem to jive with who Buzz is - I just don't see him doing this. Even if Wilson is a better prospect than DJ..I think we owe it to a kid we sign to at least let him get to campus to compete/earn his scholarship.
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Here's a better question.... Why does Butch even care? Honestly, if your a Badger fan, what difference does it make if a MU recruit comes or not. Especially, a guy that UW had no interest in recruiting wise.
The guy just flaming, its that simple. Sad
I'm sure in their dream of dreams they were hoping to get Wilson, which is where some of this hatred is coming from. Some of the clowns over there are still plenty bitter about Vander giving the Badgers the FUBR. If they lose Tokoto, it will be like clockwork over there as they claim how dirty UNC is. The posts are already written, they just have to hit send. Can you imagine the circle jerk if Tokoto picked MU...oh my God.
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J.P. Tokoto to MU!
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Whatever the case, I will look forward to hearing the statement from Buzz regarding this - if this is in fact true. And, if it is true that Newbill was academically qualified/eligible - and was not told from the beginning he was going to prep school (before he signed LOI)...for the first time I will be disappointed with Buzz. Regarding Roseboro, Mbao, Maymon..they all at least got to campus and had a chance to compete - and realized they were either overmatched or unhappy and decided to leave. If DJ is "cut" before ever getting a chance to compete against MU players and show his skills..I'd be very disappointed in Buzz. That type of conduct does not seem to jive with who Buzz is - I just don't see him doing this. Even if Wilson is a better prospect than DJ..I think we owe it to a kid we sign to at least let him get to campus to compete/earn his scholarship.
+1000 Ners, you and I are on the same page for once. That would be extremely disappointing, but that's also why I want all the facts on this, not a bunch of jagoffs like Eric the Red who I could count more things wrong from him on Buckyville and Badgernation in 1 month time period than this entire board in the same time period.
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+1000 Ners, you and I are on the same page for once. That would be extremely disappointing, but that's also why I want all the facts on this, not a bunch of jagoffs like Eric the Red who I could count more things wrong from him on Buckyville and Badgernation in 1 month time period than this entire board in the same time period.
One thing all MU fans can agree on: Bucky sucks. I do look forward to hearing what is going on with Newbill, now that its been published that Jamil is transferring to MU.
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BTW, I posted 2 months ago that Newbill was not coming to MU. All the usual suspects chastised me,denied it, and many others sent me threats, including on my sister who is a known MU season ticket holder. :-\
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So, I am to believe that butch knew but Newbill didn't? Please.
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BTW, I posted 2 months ago that Newbill was not coming to MU. All the usual suspects chastised me,denied it, and many others sent me threats, including on my sister who is a known MU season ticket holder. :-\
Im somewhat new to this board so maybe I don't know the history. But if people were threatening myself and my sister, I'd probably stop writing inflammatory comments to a message board revolving around a team I don't even like. Just my opinion.
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BTW, I posted 2 months ago that Newbill was not coming to MU. All the usual suspects chastised me,denied it, and many others sent me threats, including on my sister who is a known MU season ticket holder. :-\
So people know who butchbadger is? You take that much pride in what you write on a message board that you tell people what you say so that they can talk about your sister? No one knows that butchbadger has a sister.
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You guys can say what u want thats fine. But the facts r buzz or anyone from mu told dj or his family that he should go to prep school. To end all speculation i pulled it out of scott today at about 4pm when he called me asking when dj was going to complete his mu application. He danced with that for a few minutes and i said say what u wanna say. And he said buzz thinks dj should play else where. So i had to do the sad job of telling a kid 3 days before his trunk party. I know most of u could care less but a kids feelings and future is at stake here. He worked hard and overcame alot of obstacle for this and know one has the courage to call the kid. God does things for a reason. With that said i still wish mu the best and im still praying for all. Like i said before not only am i djs mentor and coach im his pastor. God bless.
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But if people were threatening myself and my sister, I'd probably stop writing inflammatory comments to a message board
I simply wrote what I heard from a strong MU source in early May. I followed up with my opinion that I think it is bad form that 2 years in a row some kid signed a contract but won't see the first day of school. Clearly others here with a heart share my opinion.
For that I got threats and no, I am not worried. I have a great lawyer from the top firm in Milwaukee with a watchful eye who is an internet expert. Sad, but true.
There is a lot more to the story but...
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You guys can say what u want thats fine. But the facts r buzz or anyone from mu told dj or his family that he should go to prep school. To end all speculation i pulled it out of scott today at about 4pm when he called me asking when dj was going to complete his mu application. He danced with that for a few minutes and i said say what u wanna say. And he said buzz thinks dj should play else where. So i had to do the sad job of telling a kid 3 days before his trunk party. I know most of u could care less but a kids feelings and future is at stake here. He worked hard and overcame alot of obstacle for this and know one has the courage to call the kid. God does things for a reason. With that said i still wish mu the best and im still praying for all. Like i said before not only am i djs mentor and coach im his pastor. God bless.
Hey now, we're waiting for the whole story to unfold. To say that most of us don't care for the kid is crazy.
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You guys can say what u want thats fine. But the facts r buzz or anyone from mu told dj or his family that he should go to prep school. To end all speculation i pulled it out of scott today at about 4pm when he called me asking when dj was going to complete his mu application. He danced with that for a few minutes and i said say what u wanna say. And he said buzz thinks dj should play else where. So i had to do the sad job of telling a kid 3 days before his trunk party. I know most of u could care less but a kids feelings and future is at stake here. He worked hard and overcame alot of obstacle for this and know one has the courage to call the kid. God does things for a reason. With that said i still wish mu the best and im still praying for all. Like i said before not only am i djs mentor and coach im his pastor. God bless.
I don't know if you are legit, but I would say a lot of people here care mightily about the kid's feelings which is why so many are saying they are not happy about this....IF it's true. I'd like a lot more details before passing full judgment, but first blush looks terrible on Buzz in my opinion. It's everything about corporate college basketball that I hate. There is nothing "technically" wrong with it, but a whole host of things wrong with it in other ways, IMO.
I know MU will spin this as cutting a kid loose while he still has a chance to play somewhere else, but with the Wilson addition, there's no way the two aren't tied together 100% IF this is all true. And that's what stinks to high heaven....IF it's true.
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You guys can say what u want thats fine. But the facts r buzz or anyone from mu told dj or his family that he should go to prep school. To end all speculation i pulled it out of scott today at about 4pm when he called me asking when dj was going to complete his mu application. He danced with that for a few minutes and i said say what u wanna say. And he said buzz thinks dj should play else where. So i had to do the sad job of telling a kid 3 days before his trunk party. I know most of u could care less but a kids feelings and future is at stake here. He worked hard and overcame alot of obstacle for this and know one has the courage to call the kid. God does things for a reason. With that said i still wish mu the best and im still praying for all. Like i said before not only am i djs mentor and coach im his pastor. God bless.
DJ was to be on the MU campus in a week and he hadn't completed his application to the school yet?
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Phillycoach, I think everyone on this board wishes DJ the best. I was excited to have him on the team and I am sad to see him go. Good luck.
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Phillycoach, I think everyone on this board wishes DJ the best. I was excited to have him on the team and I am sad to see him go. Good luck.
Hope DJ has a great career no matter what happens.
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Yeah what is this application you are even talking about coach?
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DJ was to be on the MU campus in a week and he hadn't completed his application to the school yet?
And, according to PhillyCoach: he called me asking when dj was going to complete his mu application.
So the MU coach called to ask about the application? It wasn't like MU didn't accept it, the kid never filled it out?
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According to that, DJ didn't know he was getting voted off the island as of yesterday. Yet Buzz said a while ago that the player who would not be here knew about it. Something doesn't smell right. Is someone else leaving too??
no no nothing to see here ....move along
:P ::)
Oh, but there is something to see here. It's called a college basketball fan with a conscience. Something obviously outside your personal experience ButchBadger.
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DJ was to be on the MU campus in a week and he hadn't completed his application to the school yet?
This.
I would definitely like to hear both sides on this. Hope this all isn't true.
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Also, I think Wilson is taking Mbao's scholarship, not Newbill's. IWB said that even though Mbao transferred, it didn't change the fact that someone was going to prep. There wouldn't be a reason to force out Newbill to get Wilson in then. It sounds awful if true, but I'm still pretty skeptical.
As for Newbill's feelings, I think everyone here feels for the kid if this is true. He seemed like a great kid and there would be no reason to wish him anything but the best.
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Just too many head-scratching developments to allow me to believe this coach is legit. Bottom line: Buzz has earned our benefit of the doubt. An alleged coach and this Foster guy: nope.
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Philly coach,
Unfortunately, you have to understand that no one on this board (and probably 99% of the student population at MU) knows anything about South Philly and the struggle kids have there just to stay alive (most himicides in the country since the beginning of the year)! Their actions are not a reflection of what a Jesuit education stands for. Since DJ is now relectantly free to choose another school, perhaps Boston College is looking to fill a scholarship? It's a classier school with a lot more pride (and they do things he right way).
With classes starting in two months, your job is not going to be easy. At the 11th hour, I cant imagine there will be many (if any) options that are the right fit for DJ. Apparently, the MU community doesnt mind that its change of heart may very well cost a year of a teenagers development (academically and athletically). However, considering we're talking about a kid from South Philly, I have no doubt he will overcome this obstacle; it's just sad that DJ did everything right and MU is no longer interested. What's even more deplorable are the people on this board that are already thinking and getting excited about how their coach is going to utilize DJ's roster spot. These people are clearly not "men for others." And perhaps DJ is, in fact, better off disassociating himself with these people. Good Luck - I'll be rooting the kid.
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How could he have not filled out an application in June everyone? think about it... how could that even be possible?
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Show some class jhags15... personal attacks in the anonymity of message boards are pretty pitiful.
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Philly coach,
Unfortunately, you have to understand that no one on this board (and probably 99% of the student population at MU) knows anything about South Philly and the struggle kids have there just to stay alive (most himicides in the country since the beginning of the year)! Their actions are not a reflection of what a Jesuit education stands for. Since DJ is now relectantly free to choose another school, perhaps Boston College is looking to fill a scholarship? It's a classier school with a lot more pride (and they do things he right way).
With classes starting in two months, your job is not going to be easy. At the 11th hour, I cant imagine there will be many (if any) options that are the right fit for DJ. Apparently, the MU community doesnt mind that its change of heart may very well cost a year of a teenagers development (academically and athletically). However, considering we're talking about a kid from South Philly, I have no doubt he will overcome this obstacle; it's just sad that DJ did everything right and MU is no longer interested. What's even more deplorable are the people on this board that are already thinking and getting excited about how their coach is going to utilize DJ's roster spot. These people are clearly not "men for others." And perhaps DJ is, in fact, better off disassociating himself with these people. Good Luck - I'll be rooting the kid.
But, be warned, Boston College will also require a completed application.
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Something is off here. How an incoming freshman ballplayer could not have an application filled out a week before getting to campus is mind-boggling.
Unfortunately the only things that are seemingly connected is this and the Wilson transfer. Would like to see more of these dots connected before I make any sort of judgement on this.
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Just too many head-scratching developments to allow me to believe this coach is legit. Bottom line: Buzz has earned our benefit of the doubt. An alleged coach and this Foster guy: nope.
Agreed. Too many inconsistencies coupled with a lack of credible data.
The remark from "Philycoach" re: "DJ has not filled out his application to MU" raises multiple red flags.
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Show some class jhags15... personal attacks in the anonymity of message boards are pretty pitiful.
I just can't stand the grammar in that and then furthermore don't understand why anyone is believing this guy... and like someone pointed out the transfer may not be the reason for it
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I will be so disappointed if Buzz hosed this kid. It flat out wouldn't be right, but I will reserve judgment until we know more, which hopefully will happen at some point.
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Buzz said that he is great at telling the truth. This situation is a consequence of brutal honesty. I don't like the way it sounds like things went down. Hopefully Newbill will land in a great spot for him and Buzz will support him in the future if he can. Very tough on the kid and we all empathize with him.
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Buzz said that he is great at telling the truth. This situation is a consequence of brutal honesty. I don't like the way it sounds like things went down. Hopefully Newbill will land in a great spot for him and Buzz will support him in the future if he can. Very tough on the kid and we all empathize with him.
If all this is true, and Buzz didn't call the kid to tell him.....kind of reminds you of someone else that didn't tell individuals about leaving for another job.
Again, hope this isn't true.
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This is nothing like Crean ditching his team
My friend is back, how wonderful. Why the username change on your part?
I didn't say it was like ditching his team. I said it was like not being a man and telling someone directly impacted by it. If Buzz didn't want this kid on the team, he should have told him directly, not have Scott Monarch do it. If this is all true.
I'll pass full judgment after I get more facts, but there is a reason why I wait 5 years to evaluate a coach, because it's too easy to fall in love with someone in the first year or two before some of the shine comes off.
Let's hope that isn't the case here.
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i dont care about grammar right now. Im sure u get the point. And i know alot of u guys want the best for dj and i respect that. But there will alway be haters and people who feed off the downfall of others. I know i dont have to defend myself but when u mentor and work with hundreds of youth and famillies you cant keep tabs on them all. Dj counselors his principal his family the mu coaches and even me dropped the ball on his mu app. I honestly thought it all was taken care of or would me taken care of after i was no longer a volunteer at the school. But god will work it out. Dj will be fine please keep him in your prayers. Thanks
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phillycoach
Whether you are legitimate or not (my hunch is that you are), you sure are taking this like a class act. And don't worry about the immature people on here complaining about your grammar. That is a punk thing to do.
Most people here are genuinely concerned for DJ and will hope and pray that he lands on his feet. Is there any possibility of DJ going to prep school for a year then coming to MU? I assume not because MU and DJ's camp apparently didn't have a very friendly parting of ways, but I thought it was worth asking.
Regarding the application, I honestly find this astounding. How something like that could slip through the cracks until this close to when DJ plans on coming to campus is beyond me. While that is by no means grounds for revoking a scholarship, that would be a major red flag for me if I were a coach.
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If Phillycoach's account is accurate, I am going to be disappointed in Buzz. The app is a weak, convenient out.
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Sure sounds like Buzz hosed this kid.
What say ye all those Buzz lovers who think he can do no wrong?
Starting to detect a pattern here: Mbao, Roseboro, Maymon, Newbill?
Surely, Mr. Tokoto will be taking notice!
Not good!
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If Phillycoach's account is accurate, I am going to be disappointed in Buzz. The app is a weak, convenient out.
Agree, let's hope there's much more to it than that. A coaching staff should be hand delivering the application and practically filling the thing out for the kid. Plus, Wilson being in the Pro Am, hanging around Wisconsin in the offseason and the news coming out that he would transfer and to MU all in the same day is kind of suspicious itself - hard to believe that he made the decision to transfer without previously talking with the MU coaching staff, then engaged them and got a spot opened for himself all in the same day.
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PhillyCoach - a few questions:
1) Out of the returning and new players to be on MU's roster, who was DJ close to and might have been talking to over the summer? How could he not already know of this summer ProAm tournament?
2) Since DJ was supposed to be in Milwaukee on July 7th, I assume he was going to be in 2nd session summer school. Why had he not already registered for class?
3) It has been known for a long time that an MU incoming player was headed for a prep school due to grade issues. Are you saying that DJ was never headed to prep school?
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This doesn't sound good for Marquette...but I still feel less in need of a shower than I did when Crean was our coach.
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Show some class jhags15... personal attacks in the anonymity of message boards are pretty pitiful.
Agree completely. Thanks Mods for the ignore button Jhags meet Butch and murffies
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If Phillycoach's account is accurate, I am going to be disappointed in Buzz. The app is a weak, convenient out.
Somehow I doubt that the call Monarch made yesterday was the first one regarding the application since Newbill signed a LOI.
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Somehow I doubt that the call Monarch made yesterday was the first one regarding the application since Newbill signed a LOI.
I was just about the post the same thing. PhillyCoach seems to be a legit source, but he has admitted that he's been somewhat removed from the situation recently. For all we know, there may have been daily calls being made to DJ about his application or even conversations that led Buzz to believe that DJ was questioning his committment to the program. On the other hand, it's also possible that MU looked the other way on DJ's missing application because they knew it would be a good out in case Wilson wanted to transfer to MU.
No matter how things went down, I feel for DJ and wish him the best.
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Philly coach,
Unfortunately, you have to understand that no one on this board (and probably 99% of the student population at MU) knows anything about South Philly and the struggle kids have there just to stay alive (most himicides in the country since the beginning of the year)! Their actions are not a reflection of what a Jesuit education stands for. Since DJ is now relectantly free to choose another school, perhaps Boston College is looking to fill a scholarship? It's a classier school with a lot more pride (and they do things he right way).
With classes starting in two months, your job is not going to be easy. At the 11th hour, I cant imagine there will be many (if any) options that are the right fit for DJ. Apparently, the MU community doesnt mind that its change of heart may very well cost a year of a teenagers development (academically and athletically). However, considering we're talking about a kid from South Philly, I have no doubt he will overcome this obstacle; it's just sad that DJ did everything right and MU is no longer interested. What's even more deplorable are the people on this board that are already thinking and getting excited about how their coach is going to utilize DJ's roster spot. These people are clearly not "men for others." And perhaps DJ is, in fact, better off disassociating himself with these people. Good Luck - I'll be rooting the kid.
The struggles of growing up in south Madison...
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The struggles of growing up in south Madison...
Dude, don't kid about this. Middleton is a scary scary place.
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What I do not really understand is, if Buzz is such a great recruiter, why is he taking flyers on recruits from Pennslyvania. Both Roseboro and Newbill were not highly rated. you only sign players like that, if you do not feel you can get someone better.
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Obviously Buzz has broken up the recruiting country to asst. coaches and they have made mistakes that he then corrects. This doesn't excuse Buzz as he's the program's bus driver. As was reported, only Monarch thought DJ had BigEast skills.
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So anyways...theres more to the story than we're hearing here, there always is and we will never know so moving on...I think I would rather have a transfer Wilson than a Wilson commit in the first place, this allows him to refine his raw skills (which are bountiful) with practice for a year and then have 3 years of eligibility left.