I guess all their pontificating and supreme knowledge was per the norm...just alot of postering and babbling. Good to see some things have not changed. What do your sources say about the future of the middle East?
Others...that would be the non-drama queens felt a few teams would move here and there and that would be the end of it. Something that boring does not fit the drama agenda and quickly got buried by dozens and dozens of "inside" sources, drama, and "already done deals". Glad i could only make it thru about a post or two of those colossal wastes of time. I feel bad for everyone who is now dumber for reading them.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on June 15, 2010, 10:06:00 AM
Others...that would be the non-drama queens felt a few teams would move here and there and that would be the end of it. Something that boring does not fit the drama agenda and quickly got buried by dozens and dozens of "inside" sources, drama, and "already done deals". Glad i could only make it thru about a post or two of those colossal wastes of time. I feel bad for everyone who is now dumber for reading them.
Kind of like after the fact I told you so posts?
Quote from: LA on June 15, 2010, 10:24:02 AM
Kind of like after the fact I told you so posts?
+1 :D
It's not over yet. There is no set time period for conference realignment. Talks will continue for a long time.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on June 15, 2010, 10:06:00 AM
I guess all their pontificating and supreme knowledge was per the norm...just alot of postering and babbling. Good to see some things have not changed. What do your sources say about the future of the middle East?
Others...that would be the non-drama queens felt a few teams would move here and there and that would be the end of it. Something that boring does not fit the drama agenda and quickly got buried by dozens and dozens of "inside" sources, drama, and "already done deals". Glad i could only make it thru about a post or two of those colossal wastes of time. I feel bad for everyone who is now dumber for reading them.
The hilarity is that you think it's all over. And up until about 11:30am yesterday, the major seismic shift is exactly how it was playing out, until significant other parties stepped in to stop it....for now. But I suspect you knew that was going to happen. LOL. Then again, you're the one that said this whole thing was "simple", which of course proved to be anything but and remains complicated as hell.
You can be naive and continue to think it's over and you would be wrong. Money talks, the next Big East television contract is critical for so so so many reasons.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on June 15, 2010, 10:06:00 AM
I guess all their pontificating and supreme knowledge was per the norm...just alot of postering and babbling. Good to see some things have not changed. What do your sources say about the future of the middle East?
Others...that would be the non-drama queens felt a few teams would move here and there and that would be the end of it. Something that boring does not fit the drama agenda and quickly got buried by dozens and dozens of "inside" sources, drama, and "already done deals". Glad i could only make it thru about a post or two of those colossal wastes of time. I feel bad for everyone who is now dumber for reading them.
MR. HAYWARD, is that you?
Hahahaha the title of this post alone is awesome, didn't even bother to read the actual post
Quote from: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on June 15, 2010, 10:42:28 AM
MR. HAYWARD, is that you?
LOL....as if there was any doubt from day one.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 15, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
You didn't know that?
Of course I knew. Couldn't resist. ;D
Two teams move! That's it! I want my money back!!!!
Quote from: GoldenWarrior on June 15, 2010, 12:51:17 PM
Hahahaha the title of this post alone is awesome, didn't even bother to read the actual post
The irony is that no one here said "exactly how it was going to play out". The guy is so disingenious. People opined on how it could happen and what the likely scenarios were. But that's Robert for you.
It's probably too early for "i told you so" posts, but at this point Dime's prediction would seem to be more accurate than those who thought it was going to be mayhem, and bad for MU...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=20670.msg216724#msg216724
Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 15, 2010, 04:06:45 PM
It's probably too early for "i told you so" posts, but at this point Dime's prediction would seem to be more accurate than those who thought it was going to be mayhem, and bad for MU...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=20670.msg216724#msg216724
Dime's prediction isn't in that thread, at least from what I can see.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 15, 2010, 04:13:00 PM
Dime's prediction isn't in that thread, at least from what I can see.
I was pointing out the utter disaster being predicted ;) And I know you know how to find his posts, but it was in another thread so I'll share it...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=20678.msg216915#msg216915
Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 15, 2010, 04:16:59 PM
I was pointing out the utter disaster being predicted ;) And I know you know how to find his posts, but it was in another thread so I'll share it...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=20678.msg216915#msg216915
Again, were people predicting disaster or talking about what the potential scenarios were and
IF they happened what it would mean (and nearly did happen until a mega company stopped it hours before happening)?
Seems to be two entirely different things.
My prediction, conference re-alignment isn't over yet. Whether that means it starts up again next year, 2 years or 10 years, it's not over by a long shot.
Hence...
Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 15, 2010, 04:06:45 PM
It's probably too early for "i told you so" posts, but at this point Dime's prediction would seem to be more accurate than those who thought it was going to be mayhem, and bad for MU...
"This is only a temporary solution.
Smart people and smart money predict that this new conference setup won't hold for decades to come -- probably not for even a single decade. As we enter a period of relative calm, the plate tectonics of college sports are always in motion beneath the surface. And the next eruption might be the big one.
One athletic director who has been involved in the national realignment negotiations put it this way Monday: "There is no emerging status quo. DeLoss [Dodds, the Texas athletic director] is buying the time he needs to contemplate and perhaps design a future that will be more on his terms."
"Bottom line: All the discussion in recent weeks about winding up with four super conferences wasn't just hot air. We could still be trending in that direction -- or at least toward some new direction.
Just because the conference map wasn't completely blown up this summer, don't think the current landscape is here to stay."
Dimes and others can think this is over, that's fine.....maybe Pat Forde is just a blowhard. I hope MU is vigilant as well as the Big East, knowing that things are fluid and can change on a dime (pun intended).
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=5287646
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 15, 2010, 04:22:09 PM
My prediction, conference re-alignment isn't over yet. Whether that means it starts up again next year, 2 years or 10 years, it's not over by a long shot.
Wow, that's a bold prediction.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 15, 2010, 07:47:27 PM
Wow, that's a bold prediction.
Lame. Get on him for being a "blowhard." Get on him for making predictions.
Smart people and smart money predict that this new conference setup won't hold for decades to come -- probably not for even a single decade. As we enter a period of relative calm, the plate tectonics of college sports are always in motion beneath the surface. And the next eruption might be the big one.
What arrogance or is it ignorance? Two or three dozen posts over the last few weeks predicting how he knew what was going down thru contacts and inside sources yet when he is completely wrong states smart money and people ar still on his side. The last sentence is a true classic. Do you do horoscopes too?
Bottom line is small moves are much more likely. And even without a championship football game the big 12 is better where they are. How many people in the central time zone want to stay up until midnight for tip off or kickoff on any given night and then not even be able to read about the game the next day after they fall asleep before it starts. the pac ten as many of us know is barely in the thought process of 70% of Americans. Additioanlly anything over 12 dilutes revenue. amjor rumors and huge catclysmic events are great for internet rumor but make little economic sense at the end of the day.
This is a very odd thread. I live in Houston. I just finished watching the most "drama" in the conference's sports news since the blow up of the SWC. Is one a "drama queen" for watching real, accurate news reports of Pac 10 invites, SEC invite to A&M, and 2 teams leaving the conference?
This was FACTUALLY very dramatic, even if the ending was an anticlimax.
Name the last, most recent occassion, when two teams split from their conferences , of many decades, and joined 2 different conferences, neither of whom had expanded for 20 years. never.
I am watching a movie "thirteen days"---by analogy, you are sounding like Adlai Stevenson knowing a diplomatic solution would resolve the cuban missile crisis, and mocking the drama queen General LeMay, and the supreme knowledge Kennedys/McNamara for worrying about, discussing and playing out all those "supreme knowledge" scenarios and options, and wasting everyone's time , given the anticlimax that you foresaw (not at the beginning, but 5 days before the end- ie mid story).....Thanks Adlai for your wisdom
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on June 15, 2010, 10:06:00 AM
I guess all their pontificating and supreme knowledge was per the norm...just alot of postering and babbling. Good to see some things have not changed. What do your sources say about the future of the middle East?
Others...that would be the non-drama queens felt a few teams would move here and there and that would be the end of it. Something that boring does not fit the drama agenda and quickly got buried by dozens and dozens of "inside" sources, drama, and "already done deals". Glad i could only make it thru about a post or two of those colossal wastes of time. I feel bad for everyone who is now dumber for reading them.
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EACH WORD MORE USELESS THAN THE LAST
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Lots of people (in both the media and on this board) made predictions on how this whole thing would shake out. None of the predictions concerned possible scenarios one, two or ten years down the road. They were about changes that would happen in hours, days or at most weeks. Bottom line: Dimes pretty much nailed it while everyone else whiffed. Time to move on.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 15, 2010, 08:00:03 PM
Lame. Get on him for being a "blowhard." Get on him for making predictions.
1. I didn't call him a blowhard. That really wouldn't be my choice of words.
2. If you think saying that conferences will continue to change in membership in the next 2, 4, or 10 years is a prediction, you're lame.
3. It's cute how you have Chico's back.
The most interesting part of this entire debate, to me, is how MR. HAYWARD not only re-invented himself as the new poster "Canadian Dimes," but how he re-invented his grammar, spelling and general writing style.
What a transformation! MR. HAYWARD was the catepillar to the prophetic Canadian Dimes' butterfly. Amazing stuff.
In all seriousness, how crazy do you have to be to actually change your writing style when changing screen name. Not even Murf, Red Barron, Gr8one changed his now infamous ----'s despite moving from moniker to moniker.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 15, 2010, 09:27:31 PM
1. I didn't call him a blowhard. That really wouldn't be my choice of words.
2. If you think saying that conferences will continue to change in membership in the next 2, 4, or 10 years is a prediction, you're lame.
3. It's cute how you have Chico's back.
1. Title of thread
2. Why? The point he is making is that there still is instabilities
3. The piling on for the sake of piling on is worse.
Quote from: MUCam on June 15, 2010, 11:11:25 PM
In all seriousness, how crazy do you have to be to actually change your writing style when changing screen name. Not even Murf, Red Barron, Gr8one changed his now infamous ----'s despite moving from moniker to moniker.
The internet is a wonderful and strange place. What would we do without it :D
Quote from: rocky_warrior on June 16, 2010, 08:05:12 AM
The internet is a wonderful and strange place. What would we do without it :D
I, for one, would get more work done.
Quote from: MUCam on June 15, 2010, 11:11:25 PM
The most interesting part of this entire debate, to me, is how MR. HAYWARD not only re-invented himself as the new poster "Canadian Dimes," but how he re-invented his grammar, spelling and general writing style.
What a transformation! MR. HAYWARD was the catepillar to the prophetic Canadian Dimes' butterfly. Amazing stuff.
In all seriousness, how crazy do you have to be to actually change your writing style when changing screen name. Not even Murf, Red Barron, Gr8one changed his now infamous ----'s despite moving from moniker to moniker.
That is a silly statement. Canadian Dimes has never met Mr. Hayward, although he greatly admires him and shares his disdain for spell check and the re-reading of posts for punctuation and typo's on a message board. He leaves that to anal retentive school girls.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on June 16, 2010, 10:40:00 AM
Canadian Dimes has never met Mr. Hayward
Robert.....tsk tsk.
So you predicted TCU and Colorado State to the Big 12....I'm anxiously awaiting since "you pretty much nailed it" per Lenny. Laughable on all levels.....as soon as he said this was all simple he lost all credibility. A major shift was coming, every insider knew it, every media source knew it, it took an 11th hour Hail Mary to stop it. Lenny, if you're saying that Robbie's cattle farm up in Indiana knew that was happening, you're delusional.
Dimes .... and in your most recent post you said I predicted what would happen....please, find those predictions for me...I'm waiting. Of course, that means you have to be able to understand what the word prediction means.
Quote from: houwarrior on June 15, 2010, 08:45:25 PM
This is a very odd thread. I live in Houston. I just finished watching the most "drama" in the conference's sports news since the blow up of the SWC. Is one a "drama queen" for watching real, accurate news reports of Pac 10 invites, SEC invite to A&M, and 2 teams leaving the conference?
This was FACTUALLY very dramatic, even if the ending was an anticlimax.
Name the last, most recent occassion, when two teams split from their conferences , of many decades, and joined 2 different conferences, neither of whom had expanded for 20 years. never.
I am watching a movie "thirteen days"---by analogy, you are sounding like Adlai Stevenson knowing a diplomatic solution would resolve the cuban missile crisis, and mocking the drama queen General LeMay, and the supreme knowledge Kennedys/McNamara for worrying about, discussing and playing out all those "supreme knowledge" scenarios and options, and wasting everyone's time , given the anticlimax that you foresaw (not at the beginning, but 5 days before the end- ie mid story).....Thanks Adlai for your wisdom
and for that, he got an expressway named for him. :D
Quote from: houwarrior on June 15, 2010, 08:45:25 PM
This is a very odd thread. I live in Houston. I just finished watching the most "drama" in the conference's sports news since the blow up of the SWC. Is one a "drama queen" for watching real, accurate news reports of Pac 10 invites, SEC invite to A&M, and 2 teams leaving the conference?
This was FACTUALLY very dramatic, even if the ending was an anticlimax.
Name the last, most recent occassion, when two teams split from their conferences , of many decades, and joined 2 different conferences, neither of whom had expanded for 20 years. never.
I am watching a movie "thirteen days"---by analogy, you are sounding like Adlai Stevenson knowing a diplomatic solution would resolve the cuban missile crisis, and mocking the drama queen General LeMay, and the supreme knowledge Kennedys/McNamara for worrying about, discussing and playing out all those "supreme knowledge" scenarios and options, and wasting everyone's time , given the anticlimax that you foresaw (not at the beginning, but 5 days before the end- ie mid story).....Thanks Adlai for your wisdom
Houwarrior i hear what you are saying but i think you are confusing facts with reality and the true players with internet drama queens.
It would be one thing if the drama queens on this board that are predicting events were actually the Mcnamaras and Kennedys or in this case the AD's and Conference commisioners. they are not, they are people who claim to have inside knowledge to appear importnat on an internet message board!!!! all the while claiming to be recieving inside first hand information from close friends and associates. In effect, showing to all the lack of veracity and any contacts whatsoever. My guess is bits of information may have been given in lieu of a reach around or simple speculation by internet personas trying to appear connected. Akin to IWB saying big news is coming so when he repeats second hand news he appears to be in the know. WOw! dont wake me.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 16, 2010, 11:46:28 AM
Robert.....tsk tsk.
So you predicted TCU and Colorado State to the Big 12....I'm anxiously awaiting since "you pretty much nailed it" per Lenny. Laughable on all levels.....as soon as he said this was all simple he lost all credibility. A major shift was coming, every insider knew it, every media source knew it, it took an 11th hour Hail Mary to stop it. Lenny, if you're saying that Robbie's cattle farm up in Indiana knew that was happening, you're delusional.
Dimes .... and in your most recent post you said I predicted what would happen....please, find those predictions for me...I'm waiting. Of course, that means you have to be able to understand what the word prediction means.
Let's see. 84 predicts 8-8 or better for MU. A "seismic shift" occurs, leaving MU without the starting point guard, starting center and key backup on which much of his forecast was predicated. But when MU finishes 11-7 you say 84 nailed it.
Dimes predicted minor changes in conference realignment while everyone else on the board was talking cataclsym. Turns out he's right and everyone else was wrong. But you are insisting he's wrong because change people called imminent might happen two, five or ten years from now? This could go down as definition #2 in Webster's for irony.
Lenny, no one PREDICTED what would happen with conference realignment. Instead, people offered what COULD happen, what MIGHT happen, not what WOULD HAPPEN.
That's the issue...we have a fundamental failure to interpret what PREDICT means...it's obvious the Robbie doesn't get it, I'm surprised you don't....though we don't agree on many things, at least you're an intelligent man.
And yes, 84 did PREDICT a record last year....a true PREDICTION. No one, I repeat, NO ONE, predicted anything on conference realignment. NO ONE said MU will be in X conference, or the Pac Ten will definitely get 16 teams, etc, etc. They were scenarios of possibilities. I assume you understand this distinction, it is clear Robbie does not.
http://www.youtube.com/v/1fuDDqU6n4o&hl=en_US&fs=1&
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on June 16, 2010, 01:27:44 PM
My guess is bits of information may have been given in lieu of a reach around or simple speculation by internet personas trying to appear connected.
The above "reach around" comment, and that of "anal retentive" school girls seems to make un needed references to gays/homophobia. Its totally up to you, but I, as one here, would give your posts more substance/respect if you could try to avoid adding gratuitous crudeness--they dont make your points any stronger/better. Thank you in advance, for the effort.
Quote from: houwarrior on June 16, 2010, 03:12:48 PM
The above "reach around" comment, and that of "anal retentive" school girls seems to make un needed references to gays/homophobia. Its totally up to you, but I, as one here, would give your posts more substance/respect if you could try to avoid adding gratuitous crudeness--they dont make your points any stronger/better. Thank you in advance, for the effort.
Homophobia connected to MU...say it ain't so.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 16, 2010, 01:48:42 PM
Let's see. 84 predicts 8-8 or better for MU. A "seismic shift" occurs, leaving MU without the starting point guard, starting center and key backup on which much of his forecast was predicated. But when MU finishes 11-7 you say 84 nailed it.
Dimes predicted minor changes in conference realignment while everyone else on the board was talking cataclsym. Turns out he's right and everyone else was wrong. But you are insisting he's wrong because change people called imminent might happen two, five or ten years from now? This could go down as definition #2 in Webster's for irony.
There was no "seismic shift". There were a few minor changes at the margins. I based my prediction on :
a) Hayward playing like a true star
b) Buycks & DJO merely living up to their reputations as the 1st team All_Americans they were
c) Butler playing like the top 20 offensive rated player he was (and playing like he did the 2nd half of his sophomore year)
d) Acker played sufficiently well during the last 8 games of 2008 that we would be "just fine" without Cadougan
Seems to me that the four pillars of my prediction were dead-on rock solid. Your "seismic shift" might have knocked a feathers into the air, but it hardly undermined the foundation.
Meanwhile, Dimes didn't offer any reasoning or justification as to his insight--he just made a wild-ass guess. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Quote from: Ruby on June 15, 2010, 02:08:49 PM
Two teams move! That's it! I want my money back!!!!
Actually four teams and counting. Colorado, Nebraska, Boise State, and Utah. The Western Athletic Conference has said that its not done, and the Mountain West may decided to replace Utah.
The following is not in response to Ruby.
"and the Mountain West may decided to replace Utah" Gee, I hope I'm not committing the sin of prediction here. If they try, but don't succeed does that count? Or do I then attain blowhard status?
Oh BTW, The Big Ten is back on their original schedule of I think one year to 18 months. If anyone thinks the Big Ten is done, you have a surprise coming.
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