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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: spartan3186 on June 15, 2010, 09:03:51 AM
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So apparently Marquette just started the 6th man fund, which is "the official student group of the blue and gold fund.
By donating $100 a year for 4 years they will get 16 priority points that they can keep indefinetley.
Personally, I think this policy is ridiculous. As a recent graduate, I could see numerous people jump over me in priority points simply because they were a few years yonger.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/blue-gold/spec-rel/061410aab.html
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Great idea... but unless these points replace the 10 "degree" points, I agree that those of us still near the bottom of the totem pole (i.e. graduates within the last 5 years) will be screwed by this. I was a devoted fanatic from the time I walked onto campus to the time I walked across the stage (at which time I became a devoted alum) and would have happily donated $100/year.
B&G fund is getting a letter and a phone call along with my donation this year.
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Great idea... but unless these points replace the 10 "degree" points, I agree that those of us still near the bottom of the totem pole (i.e. graduates within the last 5 years) will be screwed by this. I was a devoted fanatic from the time I walked onto campus to the time I walked across the stage (at which time I became a devoted alum) and would have happily donated $100/year.
B&G fund is getting a letter and a phone call along with my donation this year.
I was a Fanatic for 4 years and I'd happily give $400 to retroactively get 16 more priority points. Actually, I watched 4 years of very mediocre Conf USA basketball, so I should get at least 25 points for that!
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This is total BS.
A student that invests $100/yr in this plan and gets their degree in 4 years comes out with 26 points (16 B&G points and 10 degree points). Seriously?!?
Sorry, but this REALLY sticks it to the young alums (2004-2009), as well as other long-time non-alum season ticket holders, who are going to be permanently behind current students that exercise this plan once they graduate, unless they all make massive B&G fund donations to catch up.
I currently have 18 points right now (20 points after 2010-2011), and in theory, a kid that graduates in 2014 will be even with me by the time they graduate. That's ridiculous.
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This is an absolute f'n joke. It essentially devalues the points of every current season ticketholder, and screws everyone except for those that donate thousands per year to the program. Can't say I'm shocked MU made a stupid decision, but I'm shocked it was this dumb.
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if this doesn't take the place of the 10 points from the degree, i'll be pretty pissed. the best is, you can keep going with it as long as you are enrolled full time. so if you are a 5th year senior you will get 30 pts by the time you graduate... and those are points you will never lose. why does out donation money get half the points taken away every other year, but these they get to keep? Oh Lucy... You have some 'splaining to do.
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if this doesn't take the place of the 10 points from the degree, i'll be pretty pissed. the best is, you can keep going with it as long as you are enrolled full time. so if you are a 5th year senior you will get 30 pts by the time you graduate... and those are points you will never lose. why does out donation money get half the points taken away every other year, but these they get to keep? Oh Lucy... You have some 'splaining to do.
Another excellent point. These points are kept INDEFINITELY. If you discontinue your season tix at any time right now, you lose your those points (except for donation points and degree points). Complete crapola.
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Actually I think they would probably get more than just 26 points. 10 points for the degree, $100/year = 16 points, plus 3 points for consecutive year donations = 29 total points.
And I thinkt he point Gimp was making Tanning bed was that when you donate money now $100 gets you one point, but only for the current reseating period. After that current reseating period the points get devalued. So if I donated $500 today it would be worth 5 points in the current reseating period, but after the reseating period those points get devalued to $250/point so I only get to "keep" 2 points indefinitely.
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any way you slice it... it really screws recent grads and people that aren't alum that don't have the 10 degree points. imagine being a season ticket holder for 10+ years and donates $100-200 a year. some kid in 4 years who just graduates will have priority over you in reseating. time to flood the athletic office. when do we gather with the pitchforks and torches at the 1212.
this never would have happened under Pintens. Why did you leave us Craig?
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Life is not fair. My kids had just turned 17 & 18, when the IRS started giving a tax credit for dependents 16 and younger. I paid $30,000 more in taxes than you would today with 2 kids. Things change and usually the result is that someone is disadvantaged everytime someone else receives an advantage.
Besides that, if the program is starting now, it is four years before someone graduates with 16 points. In four years you will have earned 2 points a year for having season tickets, so at most they are picking up 8 points on you.
I also wonder how many current graduates actually get season tickets? Given that a good number of them will not live in the Milwaukee area and starting out they may not be able to afford tickets.
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This sounds like an utter load of crap. This year is the first I'll really be able to afford season tickets since my graduation in 2004, and this certainly makes me feel like I'm second class to current grads. We should definitely be able to make a retroactive $400 donation. Especially as these are permanent points >:(
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I also wonder how many current graduates actually get season tickets? Given that a good number of them will not live in the Milwaukee area and starting out they may not be able to afford tickets.
These points are permanent so even if a new grad doesn't buy tickets right away, he'd be able to come back in 3-4 years and jump over people who had been loyal season tickets holders during that time, or longer. Fair or unfair, the policy is flawed in the way it is constructed.
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Besides that, if the program is starting now, it is four years before someone graduates with 16 points. In four years you will have earned 2 points a year for having season tickets, so at most they are picking up 8 points on you.
I also wonder how many current graduates actually get season tickets? Given that a good number of them will not live in the Milwaukee area and starting out they may not be able to afford tickets.
Here's the two issues:
1) Those 8 points will cost a 2014 graduate $200. They'll cost a 2010 graduate $800 now to buy those points, and $1600 to maintain those additional 8 points by the time that 2014 graduate becomes eligible to buy tickets due to the reduction of those points by the B&G fund over time.
2) Those points are maintained INDEFINITELY. So in theory, even if that 2014 graduate doesn't buy tickets until 2018, they'll immediately be on par with that 2010 graduate who's bought tickets for 8 straight years after they graduated.
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I too just graduated in May and am bummed by this announcement but I would also like to throw out there: How many current students would actually do this?
Several of my friends (who of course claim they love marquette basketball) refused to buy season tickets because they were $100. Especially if the price of tickets continue to go up for students (which seems incredibly likely). Also factor in the constant complaints regarding the cost of tuition as it is. I cannot imagine a lot of people will donate, and if they do I see it more being the $25. Are students forward thinking enough to care-most don't even fully realize the point system and a ton assume they will be leaving the area upon graduation. Thoughts?
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That is part of my point. If you are not from Milwaukee area, you probably will not move here. If you are from the Milwaukee area you may be planning on leaving when you graduate. In either case why would you donate. It has to be a student (fan) who plans on staying in the area.
As far as the point system, it took me a long time not to be bitter about it in the first place. My father had 10 seats that never changed and they could be passed on to other family members. I was essentially guaranteed good seats for life. Point system came into effect and we went down to 6 seats. Four for my father and 2 for me. Four really good seats and two substandard compared to what I was used to. The good thing was at the start they allowed you to transfer seats between family members one time only, so we switched ownership. I still sat in my lesser seats and my father sat in the better seats. My father died in 2002. I now have the seating points that go back to 1955 (I started regularly going to games in 1962-63 season) in the point system versus the lesser seats that would go back to when the reseating started. So I do have a lot of seating points, but I still had to donate $2,500 last reseating to get what I consider to be good seats. However, they are not as good as the seats we had before reseating. I am guessing I would have needed another 50 points ($5,000) to get those. Unfortunately, my wife did not graduate from MU. It would be nice to have 10 degree points for her also. My advice is marry another MU graduate and be prepared to donate for life.
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Of course I remember basketball programs costing .25 and tickets to see Maurice Lucas play $4.50. Those were the good seats.
MU tuition $2,000 a semester.
5 cent candy bars.
Never smoked, but you could buy three packs for a dollar.
Inflation never goes away, someday you will be paying $100 a ticket.
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FYI, MU has removed this page from the site, it now redirects to the main blue and gold page.
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I didn't get a chance to see the page before it was 'removed' .. indeed, from the comments, it seemed half baked.
If it replaced the 10 points you get for having a degree, I could handle that. 10 points, plus 6 more for $400? On an off-seating year, the $400 would get you 1 point (div by $250) .. or 4 points in a seating year (400/100).
So I could handle 10+4 to get 2 bonus points. That's not going to tip the scales too much.
But if it was 16 + 10 = 26 points? That should piss off a ton of ticket holders. There are about 3,000 accounts, and ~900 of them have 26 points or less.
Imagine if you created a system that would piss off a third of your customers!
I could handle some tweaks to the point system.
* Name your first born son Buzz, get a point.
* Attend the Presbyterian College game, get a point.
* Bring a UW fan to the MU/UW game, subtract a point.
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Still in the source before it redirects... I don't think its a bad idea in general, but they just didn't think through the consequences. It looks they have now, and are going to rethink things before putting it out there again. Kudos to them for taking it down before more people got upset.
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Focus groups...come on MU....focus group test this stuff before putting it out on your site.
Actually, maybe I should give them the benefit of the doubt and they did focus group it...I hope. Doesn't sound like it's been well received by the small sample here.
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Here's a screenshot of the html that dw3dw3dw3 posted after it's rendered by a browser. Click on the image to open it independent of the forums.
(http://i.imgur.com/WJofs.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/WJofs.jpg)
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Well done scoopers, it looks like you changed MU's mind in only a mere 3 hours of utter outrage.
Now, if we could have had the same effect on the Warrior's decision....
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Well done scoopers, it looks like you changed MU's mind in only a mere 3 hours of utter outrage.
Now, if we could have had the same effect on the Warrior's decision....
We did, only problem was that in that case even though 99 of 100 saw the writing on the wall, it was the final decision of 1 that mattered.
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Too true.
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Too true.
Joe True? Eh? Amiright?
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We did, only problem was that in that case even though 99 of 100 saw the writing on the wall, it was the final decision of 1 that mattered.
Here we go, blaming the messenger once again.
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why not take away the donation element (ha I know right?) and just give students a point for every year they bought a season ticket as a student? They'd come out with 14 points. Again some sort of retribution should be given to the 2005 and on crowd.
PS heard friends that tweet about this were contacted about this via emails from MU athletics.
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why not take away the donation element (ha I know right?) and just give students a point for every year they bought a season ticket as a student? They'd come out with 14 points. Again some sort of retribution should be given to the 2005 and on crowd.
PS heard friends that tweet about this were contacted about this via emails from MU athletics.
Why not keep the donation element but give the students a point for every year they bought a season ticket as a student? I'm not at all opposed to rewarding students who get season tickets. In fact, I think it's a really good idea. Unfortunately, the plan that is/was laid out gives them WAY too much of a head-start. Like many season ticket holders, I would gladly pay $400 right now in order to get 16 more priority points.
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I don't see any problem with extending the regular season ticket holder point accumulation to students - that is....
2 points for each consecutive year after the 1995-96 season. Season ticket holders must maintain full season ticket holder status in order to maintain their points. If a season ticket holder drops their seats and then renews at a later date, the priority points will reset using the new start date.
So, IF a student were to buy season tickets for 4 consecutive years at Marquette, they could exit school with 18 points. Also, if a student has enough cash to donate to the B&G fund, I don't see why they wouldn't get the "normal" points for that.
This doesn't seem hard, the rules are already in place, and it doesn't give an unfair advantage to students.
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This doesn't seem hard, the rules are already in place, and it doesn't give an unfair advantage to students.
Other than the fact that recent alums get screwed because the opportunity wasn't available when they were in school.
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Other than the fact that recent alums get screwed because the opportunity wasn't available when they were in school.
True, but they do have the same opportunity to be at 18 points in 4 years, even higher with B&G donations - so I don't see a huge conflict.
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True, but they do have the same opportunity to be at 18 points in 4 years, even higher with B&G donations - so I don't see a huge conflict.
This will only be my 2nd year of season tickets, counting my graduation points, I'll have how many points? 12?
the thing is I'm really happen with my season tickets and thats pretty much all I can afford at the moment.
If I start losing out to first year graduates in a few years because they got a bunch of extra points from a system that wasn't in place when I was a student and the only way to play catch up to them and get my seats back is to donate a lot to the B&G fund (that I currently cant afford doing), I'll just stop going.
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Let the students have their points, except there is a condition:
Go to the freakin' games. Half full student sections are embarrassing.
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Let the students have their points, except there is a condition:
Go to the freakin' games. Half full student sections are embarrassing.
Yeah, make them donate. And on top of that, they must attend every game. Jackasses.
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Let the students have their points, except there is a condition:
Go to the freakin' games. Half full student sections are embarrassing.
They started some sort of "rewards" program for fanatics' attendance back in 2006 or so, but that only encourages attendance from the top 5%... they should be encouraging attendance from all fanatics. If the 16 points were contingent upon 100% attendance, then maybe I could come to grips with being leapfrogged by some recent graduates in a few years.
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If the 16 points were contingent upon 100% attendance, then maybe I could come to grips with being leapfrogged by some recent graduates in a few years.
By "some" you probably mean about three. 100%? The kid would have to be from Milwaukee and still pretty dedicated, else willing to drive or fly in four or five times during winter break to watch us play Presbyterian and with long-term plans to be staying in Milwaukee and getting season tickets after graduation. That or give winter break tickets to a homeless guy and hope he uses them...
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Here we go, blaming the messenger once again.
Not blaming you....it was commentary on how the alumni certainly voiced their opinions loud and clear to the administration but it didn't matter a hoot how we felt, they were going to do what they were going to do. Certainly not blaming you, sorry if it came across that way.
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Not blaming you....it was commentary on how the alumni certainly voiced their opinions loud and clear to the administration but it didn't matter a hoot how we felt, they were going to do what they were going to do. Certainly not blaming you, sorry if it came across that way.
My bad, it should have been in teal... "messenger" was not a reference to me or anyone on these boards.
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By "some" you probably mean about three. 100%? The kid would have to be from Milwaukee and still pretty dedicated, else willing to drive or fly in four or five times during winter break to watch us play Presbyterian and with long-term plans to be staying in Milwaukee and getting season tickets after graduation. That or give winter break tickets to a homeless guy and hope he uses them...
Perhaps I should elaborate... my thought being the maximum of 16 points contingent upon 100% (or something in that vicinity) and scaled from there. For instance, if you donated enough for 16 points, but only attended half the games, you get half the points (or some other number between 0 and 16).
I wasn't implying that you either get 16 points for 100% attendance or nothing at all. Again, that would encourage participation by a select few... my point was to provide an attendance incentive that everyone can buy into.
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Perhaps I should elaborate... my thought being the maximum of 16 points contingent upon 100% (or something in that vicinity) and scaled from there. For instance, if you donated enough for 16 points, but only attended half the games, you get half the points (or some other number between 0 and 16).
I wasn't implying that you either get 16 points for 100% attendance or nothing at all. Again, that would encourage participation by a select few... my point was to provide an attendance incentive that everyone can buy into.
Makes sense. I'd approve of such a plan.
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This will only be my 2nd year of season tickets, counting my graduation points, I'll have how many points? 12?
the thing is I'm really happen with my season tickets and thats pretty much all I can afford at the moment.
If I start losing out to first year graduates in a few years because they got a bunch of extra points from a system that wasn't in place when I was a student and the only way to play catch up to them and get my seats back is to donate a lot to the B&G fund (that I currently cant afford doing), I'll just stop going.
If they got the regular season ticket holder plan, there's no way they'd leap-frog you unless they gave a huge donation (in which case they could leap-frog you anyway). You're two points ahead of them now, and barring donations, you always will be.
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Makes sense. I'd approve of such a plan.
Can we apply that plan to regular season ticket holder too? Then I'd REALLY be in favor of it.
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Can we apply that plan to regular season ticket holder too? Then I'd REALLY be in favor of it.
+1000
At the last reseating we lost out long-time seats to someone (obvioulsy) with more points. Those seats sat empty for every pre-conference game and about half of the Big East games.
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If they got the regular season ticket holder plan, there's no way they'd leap-frog you unless they gave a huge donation (in which case they could leap-frog you anyway). You're two points ahead of them now, and barring donations, you always will be.
I'm saying if this points for donations + degree 6th man was implemented.
However if there was some system that also factored in attendance, I'd be happy with that, but I think you'd have to make the points for alum season ticket holders infinite. I know some folk that are moving away but are still keeping a ticket because they don't want to lose points
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+1000
At the last reseating we lost out long-time seats to someone (obvioulsy) with more points. Those seats sat empty for every pre-conference game and about half of the Big East games.
That's been a source of frustration for me as well. The best seats I could get during last year's reseating in the lower bowl with the few PP I have are in the middle of Row W, X or Z in 204 or 205. So I got tickets in the second row upstairs instead at half the price... right above a bank of 4 seats downstairs, halfway up in the corner, two off the aisle that became a running joke between me and my wife as the season went on. I think we only saw them utilized for two games, Nova and ND. I would have happily paid for those seats just to ensure a butt was in all four of them for at least 15 games.
If good seats were a birthright (as discussed previously), I might be more tolerant. But isn't the purpose of the PP system to reward participation and/or contribution to Marquette University and Athletics, and if so, does writing a check but throwing your tickets away actually meet either one of those criteria?
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That's been a source of frustration for me as well. The best seats I could get during last year's reseating in the lower bowl with the few PP I have are in the middle of Row W, X or Z in 204 or 205. So I got tickets in the second row upstairs instead at half the price... right above a bank of 4 seats downstairs, halfway up in the corner, two off the aisle that became a running joke between me and my wife as the season went on. I think we only saw them utilized for two games, Nova and ND. I would have happily paid for those seats just to ensure a butt was in all four of them for at least 15 games.
If good seats were a birthright (as discussed previously), I might be more tolerant. But isn't the purpose of the PP system to reward participation and/or contribution to Marquette University and Athletics, and if so, does writing a check but throwing your tickets away actually meet either one of those criteria?
I had something similar happen with the 2 seats right next to mine 2 and 3 seasons ago. All of 3 seasons ago, seats went unused. All of 2 seasons ago, seats went unused, until the last game of the season, when we arrived about 5 minutes before tipoff and there were people in the seats. They most sat there quietly for most of the first half, and during halftime I let my curiosity get the best of me.
"I'm sorry, I have to ask. These are my season tickets and I haven't seen anyone sitting there the last two years. How did you get those tickets?"
"Oh, these are our season tickets. We live in Sheboygan and just can't make the trip on a regular basis."
I was dumbfounded.
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I had something similar happen with the 2 seats right next to mine 2 and 3 seasons ago. All of 3 seasons ago, seats went unused. All of 2 seasons ago, seats went unused, until the last game of the season, when we arrived about 5 minutes before tipoff and there were people in the seats. They most sat there quietly for most of the first half, and during halftime I let my curiosity get the best of me.
"I'm sorry, I have to ask. These are my season tickets and I haven't seen anyone sitting there the last two years. How did you get those tickets?"
"Oh, these are our season tickets. We live in Sheboygan and just can't make the trip on a regular basis."
I was dumbfounded.
That's a big deal to leave Sheboygan to the "big" city. Reminds me of this Onion article from a years back.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/rural-nebraskan-not-sure-he-could-handle-frantic-p,465/