Money grappin' assholes are taking all the fun out of college athletics. First democracy takes a hit, then healthcare gets fucked up, and now intercollegiate sports. What's taking the old greg next?
Im especially tired of the new rumor about combining the BE with the remaining B12 schools. WVU, Rutgers and Syracuse dont even want to be a part of the conference. And making the BE even more basketball-centric is dumb. It doesnt work and its been proven over and over and over again.
It is creating so much uncertainty that it will probably slow recruiting until it gets resolved. I wouldn't commit if I was a recruit now.
Right now it would be pretty boring if this was not going on and it gives me another reason to hate the Big 10
Yeah, they need to get the dominoes in place and get it over with. Every hour there is some new speculation on a different conference realignment.
I have a feeling this will go on for a few weeks.
What really is galling is the prima donna attitude of ND thgrough all this. It probably won't happen, but it would be great to see them get the big shaft through this!
Money talks--the rest walks.
I don't have a problem with ND so far. They clearly could have gone to the Big Ten if they wanted to. The fact they haven't helps us out tremendously. Obviously things could change, but so far they're OK in my eyes, and they've remained silent. Texas on the other hand, they seem like they're whoring themselves out for the best offer and trying to play the conference against one another.
Quote from: Litehouse on June 11, 2010, 12:11:09 PM
I don't have a problem with ND so far. They clearly could have gone to the Big Ten if they wanted to. The fact they haven't helps us out tremendously. Obviously things could change, but so far they're OK in my eyes, and they've remained silent. Texas on the other hand, they seem like they're whoring themselves out for the best offer and trying to play the conference against one another.
I disagree, they would extremely easy to replace.
If ND moved to the B10, and we took Xavier from the A10 this could have all been over by now.
So, when does all the fit hit the shan in the BE?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 11, 2010, 11:28:34 AM
First democracy takes a hit,
Quick question: When did democracy take a hit? I'm a little confused about that one.
I think the conference realignment is exciting. It probably won't work out well for MU, and that's a shame for those of us that care. But I certainly wouldn't put the debacle on the scale of things that really matter (like healthcare and democracy).
Quote from: Kramerica on June 11, 2010, 12:59:37 PM
Quick question: When did democracy take a hit? I'm a little confused about that one.
Do you really need to ask.....Just think about it a little!
Quote from: DiaperDandy on June 11, 2010, 01:10:44 PM
Do you really need to ask.....Just think about it a little!
Not to hijack the thread, but I'm thinking about it a lot. It doesn't really make any sense.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on June 11, 2010, 01:13:40 PM
Not to hijack the thread, but I'm thinking about it a lot. It doesn't really make any sense.
I don't think that you are hijacking the thread, I credit 4everwarriors by making such a inciting, yet vague claim.
I'll at least try a couple of guesses:
1. Al Gore wins the popular vote, but loses to Bush on electoral votes.
2. (and this is my choice) The Supreme Court decides that corporations as "fictional persons" (legal fiction, it's a legal term of art) have the same fundamental right under the constitution as people. Thus, the big corporations can drown out individuals with massive ad campaigns in favor of what ever will allow them to make more money.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 11, 2010, 12:49:47 PM
So, when does all the fit hit the shan in the BE?
So...you start a new thread talking about how tired you are of the conference realignments talk only to ask a question about the realignments?
I was sick of the rumors in May, now that thing are happening this is fun.
Quote from: Kramerica on June 11, 2010, 12:59:37 PM
Quick question: When did democracy take a hit? I'm a little confused about that one.
November 4, 2008
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 11, 2010, 01:26:35 PM
November 4, 2008
Ah, that's right. When someone got elected with different politcal views than you. That's democracy failing. As someone who probably voted the same was as you, I'll say it. Grow the F up.
Booooooooooooo politics
And this conference realignment will only be fun if MU and the BEast can sieze this opportunity and enhance our position. If the BEast dissolves and MU ends up in an A10 type conference, this will not be fun at all.
Weird thought: if we're able to enhance our position in this reshuffling, do we owe the B11 a thank you? That made me uncomfortable to type.
Nov. 4, 2008--- I love it!!! That's funny.
Hey Hards. This is me not taking the bait.....
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 11, 2010, 01:22:00 PM
2. (and this is my choice) The Supreme Court decides that corporations as "fictional persons" (legal fiction, it's a legal term of art) have the same fundamental right under the constitution as people. Thus, the big corporations can drown out individuals with massive ad campaigns in favor of what ever will allow them to make more money.
Which the left's beloved unions just used to blow $10,000,000 on trying to get a hard leftist elected in a primary in Arkansas. Looks like liberals enjoy that SCOTUS decision as much as anyone.
The First Amendment is so horrible, isn't it?
Quote from: mupanther on June 11, 2010, 01:24:58 PM
I was sick of the rumors in May, now that thing are happening this is fun.
Agree. When it was little more than journalists making up fairy tales to try to get attention it was lame. Now that actual moves have occurred and there are likely more to follow it's interesting, but I'd rather it happened quickly. It stinks for recruiting among other things to have a bunch of indecision in the air - the Big Ten's threat of "stages" of expansion puts a sour note on the upcoming seasons as well.
Quote from: warrior07 on June 11, 2010, 02:03:40 PM
Which the left's beloved unions just used to blow $10,000,000 on trying to get a hard leftist elected in a primary in Arkansas. Looks like liberals enjoy that SCOTUS decision as much as anyone.
The First Amendment is so horrible, isn't it?
You can be against something while at the same time recognizing that if it's going to be the law of the land it completely changes the game and you either have to take advantage of the new rules or face the consequences.
That was a horrendous decision, no matter who is exploiting it.
I would like to talk about Obama being a socialist. Could someone direct me to a political forum please?
Additionally, Obama was born in Kenya. Kenya was a part of the BRITISH EMPIRE until 1963. Obama was born in 1961... during the rule of the British in Kenya, thusly proving how Obama is directly responsible for BP ruining the ENTIRE OCEAN!
Quote from: mu-rara on June 11, 2010, 01:47:07 PM
Hey Hards. This is me not taking the bait.....
good on you ;)
too bad others couldn't follow suit.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 11, 2010, 02:22:34 PM
I would like to talk about Obama being a socialist. Could someone direct me to a political forum please?
Additionally, Obama was born in Kenya. Kenya was a part of the BRITISH EMPIRE until 1963. Obama was born in 1961... during the rule of the British in Kenya, thusly proving how Obama is directly responsible for BP ruining the ENTIRE OCEAN!
So does that mean that if the US loses to England in the WC that it is Obama's fault?
Just checking :)
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 11, 2010, 02:32:55 PM
So does that mean that if the US loses to England in the WC that it is Obama's fault?
Just checking :)
Yes. All World Cup losses land squarely on the President's shoulders. All WC wins are due to American Ingenuity. All ties are due to John Kerry's waffling during the 2004 presidential election (I know it's a stretch, but let him have it. It's really all he has left).
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 11, 2010, 02:32:55 PM
So does that mean that if the US loses to England in the WC that it is Obama's fault?
Just checking :)
No, it will be George Bush's fault ;)
Quote from: willie warrior on June 11, 2010, 11:55:02 AM
Yeah, they need to get the dominoes in place and get it over with. Every hour there is some new speculation on a different conference realignment.
I have a feeling this will go on for a few weeks.
What really is galling is the prima donna attitude of ND thgrough all this. It probably won't happen, but it would be great to see them get the big shaft through this!
Money talks--the rest walks.
What is prima donna about wanting to maintain tradition? I'm sure all of us would like our alma mater to go back to being the Warriors. Why can't Notre Dame want their football independence? That's the way it has always been and they don't want to change. The fact of the matter is that ND football has more national exposure, history and prestige than any other college football program and because of that, they can play by a different set of rules. If Marquette's basketball program had that same national exposure, history and prestige, you wouldn't expect the same?
What are the benefits of a conference to begin with? Collective bargaining for TV money? An easier scheduling process? I'm very curious as to what the board considers to be the benefit of conferences in the NCAA. Perhaps someone can educate me as to why conference affiliations became the norm. ND football, as I see it, has it right. I loathe the Domers, but being able to create a saleable product in spite of being a crap product (most years) has left the school in pretty good shape. Why, again, does any school need the conference?
Quote from: MUFC9295 on June 11, 2010, 03:20:48 PM
What are the benefits of a conference to begin with? Collective bargaining for TV money? An easier scheduling process? I'm very curious as to what the board considers to be the benefit of conferences in the NCAA. Perhaps someone can educate me as to why conference affiliations became the norm. ND football, as I see it, has it right. I loathe the Domers, but being able to create a saleable product in spite of being a crap product (most years) has left the school in pretty good shape. Why, again, does any school need the conference?
I've heard some say that being in a conference is good because it gives the team/athletes something else to play for. Once Notre Dame is out of the national championship hunt, they don't have a conference championship to play for. Sure, they can go to a bowl, but they can't win a conference championship (either regular season or tournament). Also, for the individual players, if you're at Notre Dame you are either an All American, or you don't get any individual recognition. No "First Team All Conference" honors. I've heard it said that this is a disadvantage to ND in recruiting. Not sure if it's true or not.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 11, 2010, 03:30:14 PM
I've heard some say that being in a conference is good because it gives the team/athletes something else to play for. Once Notre Dame is out of the national championship hunt, they don't have a conference championship to play for. Sure, they can go to a bowl, but they can't win a conference championship (either regular season or tournament). Also, for the individual players, if you're at Notre Dame you are either an All American, or you don't get any individual recognition. No "First Team All Conference" honors. I've heard it said that this is a disadvantage to ND in recruiting. Not sure if it's true or not.
I think it may also hurt ND if they ever do get good again and go undefeated in a year like last year. Texas and Alabama (and Florida if they won) were experienced teams and undefeated. How could the BCS keep Texas or Alabama out of the championship game in favor of Notre Dame after both won a National Championship and ND was playing the service academies, an unusually weak USC last year, and bottom Big Ten teams with Michigan particularly struggling? That is when the alumni base at ND will see the virtue of a conference and winning a conference championship game.
Whoa - well done fellas. I thought for sure when I clicked on page 2 I'd have to lock this thing. But now that your sorta back on topic....carry on...
Anyhow "Re: Anyone Else Tired Of All This Conference Bullcrap?"
Yes. Clearly lots here find it interesting to talk about (I glad about that), but I don't give a rip. It's out of my hands, we'll see how it ends soon enough.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 11, 2010, 01:26:35 PM
November 4, 2008
I actually have come around to love that day...it has finally awakened a lot of people who are so pissed off right now. I'm happy the bear was poked and poked hard. 42% approval rating right now, Congress between 15% and 21%.
I love that day for what it's going to mean in November of 2010. ;D
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on June 11, 2010, 01:39:01 PM
Are we talking about Proposition 8?
No you are thinking of Order 66
Yes Conf expansion is interesting to me for three reasons:
1) locally, watching the Big8/SWC--Big 12 breakup after decades together, is amazing
2) 4-5 Power conf w/16 teams will change the game, TV, and poss lead to a natl playoff
but the main reason why I cant avert my attention....
3) Its like a slow motion car wreck... I am gut wrenching that its full shakeout will/may have my dear ole' MU's world either out of BE, in a radically altered BE, in a BB only, a10 merged, or cath schools league...and..
Having lived through the good and lean of MU as independent, membering up in Great Midwest, and in C-USA....
I fear the best of times (being in best, nationally acclaimed BB conf-- and doing well in it!), may revert to some of those struggling prior days.
We went from rich to poorer, and back to upper middle class--- I fear and dont want to see us ever struggle for position, prestige, or respect....
...and I am mad the greedy FB drama playing out may have this effect due to matters and money beyond our control
Quote from: wyoMUfan on June 11, 2010, 05:45:21 PM
No you are thinking of Order 66
Executed by agent 86 in Area 51.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on June 11, 2010, 03:35:23 PM
I think it may also hurt ND if they ever do get good again and go undefeated in a year like last year. Texas and Alabama (and Florida if they won) were experienced teams and undefeated. How could the BCS keep Texas or Alabama out of the championship game in favor of Notre Dame after both won a National Championship and ND was playing the service academies, an unusually weak USC last year, and bottom Big Ten teams with Michigan particularly struggling? That is when the alumni base at ND will see the virtue of a conference and winning a conference championship game.
The BCS would keep Alabama or Texas out of the championship game because ND generates more revenue for the BCS. This whole conference expansion thing is driven by projected increases in revenue and that is why ND is king. Any conference out there would take ND in a second. No one cares about being a conference champion. All the big schools sell kids on competing for national championships and as long as ND has a BCS bid that's all that matters unless the super conferences become a reality and ND has no one left to schedule.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 11, 2010, 05:31:57 PM
I actually have come around to love that day...it has finally awakened a lot of people who are so pissed off right now. I'm happy the bear was poked and poked hard. 42% approval rating right now, Congress between 15% and 21%.
I love that day for what it's going to mean in November of 2010. ;D
So true....so true!