expected to announce on Monday....from tampabay.com
edited: title typo
Figure on USF.
On another thread word is Hahn is talking about signing a LOI tomorrow. Coincidence?? I think not.
I was thinking that too. I can see Gardner to USF & then Hahn's signing possibly getting announced. The great surprise would be Noreen or Dieng committing to MU!
Quote from: mu77vegas on May 01, 2010, 10:50:23 PM
I was thinking that too. I can see Gardner to USF & then Hahn's signing possibly getting announced. The great surprise would be Noreen or Dieng committing to MU!
Dieng already committed to UL
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 01, 2010, 09:02:42 AM
Figure on USF.
Yep, the Sun Dolls will be the deciding factor.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on May 01, 2010, 11:13:51 PM
Yep, the Sun Dolls will be the deciding factor.
Why was I never shown the Sun Dolls when I was considering colleges?
Oh yeah, I'm 5'8" and can't dribble anything but beer.
Quote from: mbao_toMU09 on May 01, 2010, 10:51:31 PM
Dieng already committed to UL
Heard he was having second thoughts - pure speculation though!
Has Dieng signed a LOI yet?
I think he did, but it then had to be sent to Africa for his parents to sign. It is not offiical until they sign, because he is under 18.
Grdner is announcing today at a 4:30 press con. at his school. he will decide between Mu and USF
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 03, 2010, 09:51:34 AM
Grdner is announcing today at a 4:30 press con. at his school. he will decide between Mu and USF
Does anyone know if we definitely have offered Gardner a scholarship? A lot of speculation it seems, but can BMA or someone else confirm we have an offer on the table to him?
Quote from: Ners on May 03, 2010, 10:10:12 AM
Does anyone know if we definitely have offered Gardner a scholarship? A lot of speculation it seems, but can BMA or someone else confirm we have an offer on the table to him?
As has been said numerous times...it is hard to know if a kid truly has an offer. He can say he does, his coaches can say he does, a relative can say he does...but how do you really know? Coaches cannot comment on unsigned recruits, therefore they cannot say whether or not they have offered a player.
Recruiting analysts often have a good grasp on who has offers from where, as their info usually comes from college coaches/assistants. But they have to be careful as well again...because coaches cannot comment on players that are unsigned. Kids lie about/misunderstand their offers all of the time.
In Gardner's case, he claims an offer from MU. If he has one, I doubt it is unconditional.
If I put on my "homer glasses," I can read this as...
Davante wants to come to MU... But Buzz wanted to look at a couple more prospects such as Noreen and Hahn.... After this weekend's visit, Buzz officially offered.... Gardner's coming here...
I'll stick with this because it makes me feel good. :D
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 03, 2010, 10:59:57 AM
If I put on my "homer glasses," I can read this as...
Davante wants to come to MU... But Buzz wanted to look at a couple more prospects such as Noreen and Hahn.... After this weekend's visit, Buzz officially offered.... Gardner's coming here...
I'll stick with this because it makes me feel good.
Or, just for kicks and giggles, here's an alternate view:
Davante wants to come to MU... But Buzz wanted to look at a couple more prospects such as Noreen and Hahn.... After this weekend's visit, Buzz officially offered
Noreen or Hahn and received a solid verbal.......
Buzz called Gardner and told him MU is going a different direction and Gardner's
coming here going to USF...
I'm not saying that this is my preferred outcome of all this. I like Gardner and think he would be a nice get if we have a scholarship available. I feel the same way about Noreen. Haven't heard enough about Hahn to know for sure how I feel about him. I think it's quite possible that Gardner's announcement today
is related to what happened in Milwaukee over the weekend. I'm just not sure which way it points.
The other site is saying/inferring someone will come on as a walk-on. Makes sense for Hahn.
That would be interesting...
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on May 03, 2010, 11:16:43 AM
The other site is saying/inferring someone will come on as a walk-on. Makes sense for Hahn.
Would that cut out Frozena as our walk-on for next season? Or would/could we have multiple? Is there a maximum roster size dictated by the NCAA (for non-scholarship players)?
Quote from: T-Bone on May 03, 2010, 11:24:10 AM
Would that cut out Frozena as our walk-on for next season? Or would/could we have multiple? Is there a maximum roster size dictated by the NCAA (for non-scholarship players)?
We have had more than 1 walkon before.
Pat Duffy and Jered Sichting during my time at MU.
or maybe Tony Greiss... can't remember who was playing at the same time.
Is this press conference at 4:30 CST or EST?
Quote from: T-Bone on May 03, 2010, 11:24:10 AM
Would that cut out Frozena as our walk-on for next season? Or would/could we have multiple? Is there a maximum roster size dictated by the NCAA (for non-scholarship players)?
In 2004-2005 we had 4 walk-ons:
Shane Grube
Rob Hanley
Chris Teff
John Willkom
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 03, 2010, 09:51:34 AM
Grdner is announcing today at a 4:30 press con. at his school. he will decide between Mu and USF
Is that 4:30 Central?
He said the announcement will be at 4:30...and he lives in VA, so one can assume that is Eastern Time.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on May 03, 2010, 11:37:09 AM
He said the announcement will be at 4:30...and he lives in VA, so one can assume that is Eastern Time.
Cool... I'll make sure my F5 button is working for 3:30
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on May 03, 2010, 11:16:43 AM
The other site is saying/inferring someone will come on as a walk-on. Makes sense for Hahn.
I got that exact opposite from reading that thread. Someone was hoping for that, and IWB linked to a buzzer sound.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=5915032
Could Noreen be coming in as a walk-on? With a 4.0 GPA and a perfect ACT score wouldn't it be fairly safe to assume he could get a full ride academically at Marquette and then walk-on to the basketball team, essentially giving us 14 scholarship players, but 1 is on an academic scholarship? I know people say that division 1 athletes don't pay their own way through school even if they have the coin to do it, but in this case he wouldn't be paying anything either.
Not saying that I expect it, but it could happen, couldn't it?
Nope, walk-on players cannot be on academic scholarships....its been discussed before and I know someone posted that it's against rules.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 03, 2010, 11:29:32 AM
Pat Duffy and Jered Sichting during my time at MU.
or maybe Tony Greiss... can't remember who was playing at the same time.
What, they all look the same to you? Racist :P
Quote from: wadesworld on May 03, 2010, 12:26:13 PM
Could Noreen be coming in as a walk-on? With a 4.0 GPA and a perfect ACT score wouldn't it be fairly safe to assume he could get a full ride academically at Marquette and then walk-on to the basketball team, essentially giving us 14 scholarship players, but 1 is on an academic scholarship? I know people say that division 1 athletes don't pay their own way through school even if they have the coin to do it, but in this case he wouldn't be paying anything either.
Not saying that I expect it, but it could happen, couldn't it?
Not likely at MU, although it happens 13 times a year at Harvard. (and Cornell)
Quote from: esotericmindguy on May 03, 2010, 12:33:07 PM
Nope, walk-on players cannot be on academic scholarships....its been discussed before and I know someone posted that it's against rules.
I don't think that that's exactly what was posted. If that was the rule, would Forzena really be turning down what would probably be almost full (if not completely full) academic ride just so he could be an (essentially) non playing member of the team?
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 03, 2010, 12:51:23 PM
I don't think that that's exactly what was posted. If that was the rule, would Forzena really be turning down what would probably be almost full (if not completely full) academic ride just so he could be an (essentially) non playing member of the team?
Why would he get an academic scholarships? There are plenty of smart kids at MU that don't receive scholarships. If he was offered a full academic scholarship then I believe he did give it up to be on the team.
I'm 99% sure you cannot receive an academic scholarship and play basketball; Just like you can't get a track scholarship and play basketball. There is a pecking order, Football I believe is #1 so you could get a basketball scholarship and walk-on to a football team.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on May 03, 2010, 12:59:38 PM
I'm 99% sure you cannot receive an academic scholarship and play basketball; Just like you can't get a track scholarship and play basketball. There is a pecking order, Football I believe is #1 so you could get a basketball scholarship and walk-on to a football team.
Other way around. Since football is number 1, you could play on the football team and walk on to the basketball team. The scholarship would count against the football team.
Quote from: MUfan12 on May 03, 2010, 12:07:15 PM
I got that exact opposite from reading that thread. Someone was hoping for that, and IWB linked to a buzzer sound.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=5915032
Yes, that's probably right... I didn't listen to the "buzzer" initially. It does sound like the Family Fued "X" buzzer, and not a correct answer/game over buzzer.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on May 03, 2010, 12:59:38 PM
Why would he get an academic scholarships? There are plenty of smart kids at MU that don't receive scholarships. If he was offered a full academic scholarship then I believe he did give it up to be on the team.
I'm 99% sure you cannot receive an academic scholarship and play basketball; Just like you can't get a track scholarship and play basketball. There is a pecking order, Football I believe is #1 so you could get a basketball scholarship and walk-on to a football team.
I had gotten the impression from an earlier post that Forzena is the type of guy that makes "smart kids" seem average. I don't know though, just the impression that I got...
Quote from: esotericmindguy on May 03, 2010, 12:59:38 PM
Why would he get an academic scholarships? There are plenty of smart kids at MU that don't receive scholarships. If he was offered a full academic scholarship then I believe he did give it up to be on the team.
I'm 99% sure you cannot receive an academic scholarship and play basketball; Just like you can't get a track scholarship and play basketball. There is a pecking order, Football I believe is #1 so you could get a basketball scholarship and walk-on to a football team.
You can get an academic scholarship and play basketball. You have to justify it pretty clearly to the NCAA though. (ie, his academic credentials are similar to those receiving the same amount of scholarship.)
I think one of the reasons that Noreen couldn't get an academic scholarship is he's missed a certain deadline. At least, I think I read that on here when the topic previously came up.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 03, 2010, 01:42:37 PM
You can get an academic scholarship and play basketball. You have to justify it pretty clearly to the NCAA though. (ie, his academic credentials are similar to those receiving the same amount of scholarship.)
So in MU's case it probably means they could justify giving a basketball player an Ignatius Scholarship worth about 9K or so, not a full ride with room and board.
Quote from: chapman on May 03, 2010, 02:23:14 PM
So in MU's case it probably means they could justify giving a basketball player an Ignatius Scholarship worth about 9K or so, not a full ride with room and board.
If he has a 36 ACT and a 4.0 GPA Marquette can completely justify a full ride, although if he missed the deadline (as it was alluded to earlier) he may have to take partial scholarship and reapply at another time or something.
No matter what, this is ridiculously unlikely. The kid is good enough and smart enough to do what he wants though.
unless thing's have changed (i graduated in 2005), as far as i knew Marquette only gave out 5 full rides a year, and they were service scholarships. on top of maintaining a certain gpa, you had to perform like 150 community service hours/semester. Otherwise, they just had the difference levels of ignatius merit scholarships, which maxed out at about 50% of tuition.
Guys...Noreen will not be here as a walk-on. He has high, D1 options.
Hahn might accept a walk-on role if he doesn't have such options, but he wants to play high-level ball.
okay guys, its 4:31, what is the word.
Actively refreshing both boards.....
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 03, 2010, 03:33:45 PM
Actively refreshing both boards.....
Don't you have work to worry about?
And, the answer is.......
Quote from: robmufan on May 03, 2010, 03:36:41 PM
Don't you have work to worry about?
Apparently the same amount as you haha.
Realistically how soon can we expect to hear? Do we just await word from newspaper reporters covering it?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 03, 2010, 03:33:45 PM
Actively refreshing both boards.....
I'M FREAKING OUT, MAN!
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ksvqbakjWc1qzyyp9.jpg)
I'm getting that April 14th feeling all over again.
South Florida's board is silent as well, waiting.....
A thread was created on the premium board on the other site at 4:05 with the title USF.
I can't read the post, however.
ok who has access to Rivals? Here's what it says but you need to be a member:
Big East for King's Fork's Gardner
05/03/2010 VirginiaPreps.com
King's Fork (Suffolk, VA) big man Davante Gardner ended the long recruiting process on Monday, deciding to head to the Big East. Find out if the All-State 1st Team selection and Southeastern District Tournament MVP chose South Florida or Marquette in this developing story...
A clue:
http://marquette.scout.com/a.z?s=415&p=8&c=1&nid=4357987
http://marquette.scout.com/a.z?s=415&p=9&cfg=bb&c=8&yr=2010
Commits page has him listed as MU.
Uh oh...now what to do with the roster...
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 03, 2010, 04:11:06 PM
http://marquette.scout.com/a.z?s=415&p=9&cfg=bb&c=8&yr=2010
Commits page has him listed as MU.
Yes, but that site also says DJ-New hasn't signed is LOI yet.
Yes, but the same page says Newbill has not signed his LOI....not sure how trustworthy the info is.
oops...cross posted with copious
The long awaiting end to the recruiting process for King's Fork's Davante Gardner came Monday as the 6-foot-8, 280-pound big man from Suffolk has decided to continue his basketball career in college with Head Coach Buzz Williams and the Marquette Golden Eagles of the Big East.
It came down to two schools for the interior force nicknamed 'Big Ox.' Gardner chose Marquette over another Big East school which he visited last month, South Florida.
"They did a good job recruiting him and they built that relationship early towards the end of November and into December. They kept plugging along with him, and he got up there for an official visit for their last home game, which was their Senior Night," said King's Fork Head Basketball Coach Josh Worrell. "It took him a while to figure what the best situation would be due to the fact he got another offer from South Florida and South Florida was more recent.
Williams and assistant coach Aki Collins from Marquette made sure they were extremely visible during the entire recruiting process. A chance to play immediately also lured Gardner.
"The coaches there at Marquette knew from the three-point line in on both ends of the floor exactly what he could do, and they think he can be very successful there," added Worrell. "Granted, they believe he's going to need lose some more weight just like any other program stated to be in even better physical shape. They won quite a few games this year with a 6-7 big kid that played in and out. They needed that one inside presence, and they let Davante know you're the big guy we're recruiting and the one big guy we're recruiting."
Davante Gardner picks Marquette!
For King's Fork, it is the fourth Division I player for the program in two years. Jaquon Parker signed with Cincinnati, also out of the Big East, a year ago and guard Jamar Wertz went to University of Maryland Baltimore County. Gardner's twin tower teammate, Jay Copeland, signed last week with Ball State out of the MAC.
Selected 1st Team Group AAA All-State by the VHSCA, Gardner scored 1431 points and collected 992 rebounds in his Bulldogs career. During his junior season he put up 15.6 points and 7.6 rebounds per game for the Bulldogs as they won the State Championship.
The numbers were even better in 2009-10. This past season Gardner scored more points than any other player in the Eastern Region. He finished up his senior year averaging 22.6 points, 12.2 rebounds and 2.1 blocks per game for a Bulldogs team that has gone 55-4 in their last 59 games.
Combining great footwork and touch with muscle and power, Gardner was ultra consistent all season long for King's Fork, scoring no less than 14 points in any game and notching 21 double-doubles. Gardner, an All-Eastern Region 1st Team selection as well, was named the MVP of the Southeastern District Tournament and helped King's Fork claim their third straight district tournament title as well as their second consecutive regular season league crown.
"They feel if he gets played one-on-one he has that skill-set with his footwork, hands, being able to shoot that mid-range jumper, get his body ready before the ball gets there," Worrell remarked on Gardner. "If they can win 20, 22 or 24 games without a big man, what's going to happen when they get one?" They let him know if you were just a low post guy who couldn't do anything else, we really wouldn't recruit you. But he can shoot the ball, handle the ball, can move and do a lot of things that a lot of big guys can't do. They were really impressed by that."
Marquette went 22-12 overall last season, falling to Washington 80-78 in the opening round of the NCAA Tournament. The program has recorded five consecutive 20-plus win seasons, all resulting in trips to the NCAA Tournament.
Gardner joins a 2010 recruiting class for the Golden Eagles that includes Pennsylvania Class AA Player of the Year Devonte' 'D.J.' Newbill, Junior College Player of the Year Jae Crowder, small forward Jamail Jones, guard Reggie Smith and five-star point guard Vander Blue.
"I've known him since sixth or seventh grade and his transition of becoming a very good basketball player took hard work and time for him," noted Worrell. "He put a lot into it, and from one year to the next, losing some weight made his game that much better this year. He could play a long period of time without rest and still be effective on both ends, and I just see him getting that much better at Marquette by losing 20 more pounds. He can put the ball in the hoop.
The "BIG OX". Now thats a nickname. Welcome to MU and at 6ft 8, 280 lbs. the big man intimidator has arrived.
Get to the gym with the staff and I hope this works out.
The article above mentions he is 280lbs. but I've seen as high as 300. Anyone have an idea what the real number is around? Is this like how Prince Fielder is listed as 270?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 03, 2010, 04:22:31 PM
The article above mentions he is 280lbs. but I've seen as high as 300. Anyone have an idea what the real number is around? Is this like how Prince Fielder is listed as 270?
I've seen reports that he lost weight this season so I'm hoping the 300 is the old and the 280 is the new. At least he is 6'8". Fielder is 270 and only 5'11".
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 03, 2010, 04:22:31 PM
The article above mentions he is 280lbs. but I've seen as high as 300. Anyone have an idea what the real number is around? Is this like how Prince Fielder is listed as 270?
Worrell says he lost weight this year in that article, so I'm guessing the 300 was coming into his senior year? Also says he could probably manage to get down to 260.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 03, 2010, 04:22:31 PM
The article above mentions he is 280lbs. but I've seen as high as 300. Anyone have an idea what the real number is around? Is this like how Prince Fielder is listed as 270?
Thats why I mentioned the gym. Some sites also have him at 6ft 7, others at 6ft 9. He could be a Glen Davis clone or a Lloyd Moore prototype. Lets hope for the Baby Davis thing.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 03, 2010, 12:51:23 PM
I don't think that that's exactly what was posted. If that was the rule, would Forzena really be turning down what would probably be almost full (if not completely full) academic ride just so he could be an (essentially) non playing member of the team?
Frozena has almost a full ride academic schollie and is able to walk on. Question answered.