Unfortunately, no Buzz....those haters!! Brad Stevens not on the list. Many guys that are, shouldn't be.
Have at it boys.
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DougHaller/78036
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 13, 2010, 09:46:21 PM
Unfortunately, no Buzz....those haters!! Brad Stevens not on the list. Many guys that are, shouldn't be.
Have at it boys.
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DougHaller/78036
Let me be the 1st to say it....
THIS, is amazing on so many levels. Not only the list itself.
THIS, could be perfect for this board. :D
Hey, any one of us could draw up a list and it would have about as much credibility. At least Bruce checks in along with a legendary coach. After, #27 I just proceeded to #29.
Buzz and Brad stevens must have been "bubble" coaches, and among last out of the selections. When Hoopscoop expands, next yaer to a 96 coach list , both will be on it lol
Isn't Hoop Scoop the same outfit that rated our recruiting class as #1?
There had to be 15 names on that list that were jaw dropping, but people actually give these guys money for their opinions.
I find it comical that a coach who got fired (Al Skinner, Boston College's fomer coach) made the list over Buzz or Brad Stevens. The guy doesn't even have a job anymore, however he is deemed better! LMAO
mustve been a soft bubble this year....... :D
Looks like HoopsPoop to me
Well, Marquette can take credit for the #28 coach since he certainly has not made his name in anything he has done in his current job. So the rankings did not completely diss MU.
The national rankings might look at Buzz and say that he just won games with Crean's players and see him as someone with much left to prove. Not saying that attitude is reality, but for a casual Pac-10 or Big 12 fan, that is probably what they think of Buzz. Few care to understand how good his recruiting and coaching is so far.
Buzz has two fifth place finishes and has never made it past the first weekend. Not saying that there are other questionable ones on there, and I think Buzz should be. I just think he might not be a consensus top 50 yet.
Crean #28
Few #29
If Gonzaga and IU switched coaches, how many in Bloomington would feel they downgraded?
Oliver Purnell at # 34.
There's no way he makes this list except for the boost he obviously got from being chosen by DePaul ::)
23. Mike Brey, Notre Dame
One spot after Thadd Matta of Ohio State
I'm not sure if this is due to him getting lucky with Harangody, or because he takes the Hoopscoop guys out to dinner anytime that they're in South Bend.
This list is ridiculous. Calipari and Thuggins are cheating convict recruiters. Crean : #28, ridiculous!
Self #2--why? Alford should definitely be higher. Etc.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 14, 2010, 08:25:09 AM
This list is ridiculous. Calipari and Thuggins are cheating convict recruiters. Crean : #28, ridiculous!
Self #2--why? Alford should definitely be higher. Etc.
Wait...you don't like where Calipari and Huggins are ranked because they're shady yet you think Alford should be higher?!
Any such list that puts Calipari 1st is mortally flawed.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on April 14, 2010, 08:31:40 AM
Any such list that puts Calipari 1st is mortally flawed.
That's not true - he's first on a lot of my lists. Here are two examples:
- Most hated NCAA coach; and most importantly
- Most vacated final fours
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 14, 2010, 08:30:41 AM
Wait...you don't like where Calipari and Huggins are ranked because they're shady yet you think Alford should be higher?!
Yeah I do. If you think Calipari is #1 with his huge BS baggage, and Thuggins should be that high with his graduation rate, arrest record, etc., then buy the Brooklyn Bridge. And please, do not bother to tell me that Ky. sure thought highly of Calipari.
By the way, ask John Chaney his thoughts on Calipari
Quote from: willie warrior on April 14, 2010, 08:38:10 AM
Yeah I do. If you think Calipari is #1 with his huge BS baggage, and Thuggins should be that high with his graduation rate, arrest record, etc., then buy the Brooklyn Bridge. And please, do not bother to tell me that Ky. sure thought highly of Calipari.
By the way, ask John Chaney his thoughts on Calipari
You missed my point. If you don't like those guys, it surprises me that you want Alford higher considering he doesn't exactly have a squeaky clean resume himself.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 13, 2010, 09:46:21 PM
Unfortunately, no Buzz....those haters!! Brad Stevens not on the list. Many guys that are, shouldn't be.
Have at it boys.
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DougHaller/78036
BTW, that list was part of several list that was published in the recent issue of Basketball Times including upcoming coaches, assistants, etc. Buzz was either 1st or 2nd on the "upcoming" list. He is on his way... :)
I haven't looked a the list yet. I'll guess, based on the poster, that II,II is on it. Now I'll go look.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 14, 2010, 09:02:22 AM
You missed my point. If you don't like those guys, it surprises me that you want Alford higher considering he doesn't exactly have a squeaky clean resume himself.
What on Alford's resume bothers you? He made one mistake, backing Pierre Pierce when he was charged. I am not aware of any other issues. Compare Alford's players to the arrest records that Kirk Ferentz players accumulated--and ferentz is generally regarded as a saint in Iowa. Hell, he had 15 players over three years charged with stuff.
A Stupid list. Should be called "list of coaches based on no objective standard, just name recognition" but I guess that would have been too long.
Leading the list we have a guy who is just a half step ahead of the posse on recruiting violations who is best known for blowing the Championship game to Kansas when he had superior talent and losing this year to WVA when he had far superior talent. Yea he's a great coach.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on April 14, 2010, 11:19:16 AM
A Stupid list. Should be called "list of coaches based on no objective standard, just name recognition" but I guess that would have been too long.
Leading the list we have a guy who is just a half step ahead of the posse on recruiting violations who is best known for blowing the Championship game to Kansas when he had superior talent and losing this year to WVA when he had far superior talent. Yea he's a great coach.
you couldn't have said it any better. A lot of guys are on this list just because they have a big name. It was wierd that Buzz was left off the list, but Brad Stevens too??? This list sucks
Quote from: mu-rara on April 14, 2010, 10:58:43 AM
I haven't looked a the list yet. I'll guess, based on the poster, that II,II is on it. Now I'll go look.
Nah, I put it up there mostly because I laugh at HoopScoop and their ratings. Plus my boy Stew made the list. In my mind, Buzz should be on the list, but maybe HoopScoop just hates Buzz because that's the general tantrum that people here have when Buzz is criticized or not coddled enough.
I'd put Buzz somewhere in the 40's. No question the list is top heavy with programs led by coaches who have enormous talent. I'm glad someone like Stew made it. I would have also thrown someone like Brownwell (named Clemson coach yesterday) and others on the list. Guys that don't have the talent but truly have to coach to get victories.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 14, 2010, 11:15:19 AM
What on Alford's resume bothers you? He made one mistake, backing Pierre Pierce when he was charged. I am not aware of any other issues. Compare Alford's players to the arrest records that Kirk Ferentz players accumulated--and ferentz is generally regarded as a saint in Iowa. Hell, he had 15 players over three years charged with stuff.
He didn't just "back Pierre Pierce." He got two members of Athletes in Action that he knew to approach the victim and talk with her about resolving the case. (IOW, get the police to plea bargain it out.) Steve Alford is a f*cking slimeball.
I would rather have Huggins as my coach 100 times over rather than Alford. At least with Huggins, you know what you are going to get...and I think he has been unfairly criticized by many due to his "I don't give a crap what you think" personality. At least he keeps it real.
The only time a list like this means anything is when all the coaches on it are retired and you can compare apples to apples. Lebron will no doubt go down as the #1 or #2 player in the history of the game but I don't know if he's currently listed in the NBA's top 50 of all time. The question we should be asking ourselves is who on that list would we trade Buzz for TODAY. My answer would be precious few. Guys like Crean and Purnell aren't even in the same ball park.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 14, 2010, 12:08:12 PM
He didn't just "back Pierre Pierce." He got two members of Athletes in Action that he knew to approach the victim and talk with her about resolving the case. (IOW, get the police to plea bargain it out.) Steve Alford is a f*cking slimeball.
I would rather have Huggins as my coach 100 times over rather than Alford. At least with Huggins, you know what you are going to get...and I think he has been unfairly criticized by many due to his "I don't give a crap what you think" personality. At least he keeps it real.
I hope I don't end up blowing up this thread, but I would take Huggins over a lot of coaches, including Crean. (See the "At least he keeps it real." quote above) Any animosity I feel toward the man is centered around how regularly he kicked our ass prior to the year we finally beat his butt twice. (2002, 2003?) Given a variety of choices, I guess I would prefer he
not coach at Marquette, due to the outside and academic problems his players were prone to, at least during his Cincinnati tenure.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 14, 2010, 12:08:12 PM
He didn't just "back Pierre Pierce." He got two members of Athletes in Action that he knew to approach the victim and talk with her about resolving the case. (IOW, get the police to plea bargain it out.) Steve Alford is a f*cking slimeball.
I would rather have Huggins as my coach 100 times over rather than Alford. At least with Huggins, you know what you are going to get...and I think he has been unfairly criticized by many due to his "I don't give a crap what you think" personality. At least he keeps it real.
I'd take Alford over Huggins.....Huggins is a fun guy at Turners and will have a beer with the peeps, but the slime factor is much greater than Alford over the years.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 14, 2010, 12:32:14 PM
I'd take Alford over Huggins.....Huggins is a fun guy at Turners and will have a beer with the peeps, but the slime factor is much greater than Alford over the years.
Have a beer with the peeps...Huggy's hauling a whiskey barrel under that warmup shirt he wears.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 14, 2010, 12:22:01 PM
I hope I don't end up blowing up this thread, but I would take Huggins over a lot of coaches, including Crean. (See the "At least he keeps it real." quote above) Any animosity I feel toward the man is centered around how regularly he kicked our ass prior to the year we finally beat his butt twice. (2002, 2003?) Given a variety of choices, I guess I would prefer he not coach at Marquette, due to the outside and academic problems his players were prone to, at least during his Cincinnati tenure.
He is a great coach, one of the best. Never a good fit (as you point out) for MU.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 14, 2010, 12:08:12 PM
He didn't just "back Pierre Pierce." He got two members of Athletes in Action that he knew to approach the victim and talk with her about resolving the case. (IOW, get the police to plea bargain it out.) Steve Alford is a f*cking slimeball.
I would rather have Huggins as my coach 100 times over rather than Alford. At least with Huggins, you know what you are going to get...and I think he has been unfairly criticized by many due to his "I don't give a crap what you think" personality. At least he keeps it real.
What is your source that Alford did that? First I have heard of that.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 14, 2010, 01:04:17 PM
What is your source that Alford did that? First I have heard of that.
Here's a link to a Chicago Sun Times story. It has the relevant paragraph, but you can login to read more if you want.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-1480287.html
Quote from: mu-rara on April 14, 2010, 10:58:43 AM
I haven't looked a the list yet. I'll guess, based on the poster, that II,II is on it. Now I'll go look.
OF COURSE, he's on it! Crimson and CREAN! Crimson and CREAN!
I wonder how many shades of difference there are between Crean and cream.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 14, 2010, 01:49:20 PM
OF COURSE, he's on it! Crimson and CREAN! Crimson and CREAN!
I wonder how many shades of difference there are between Crean and cream.
Is there any active Final Four coach that isn't on the list other than Brad Stevens? Probably not, but I'd wager that's probably the case. You get to the Final Four, it earns some cred whether it's deserved or not. If Bo Ryan ever gets there, he'll vault to a top 5 coach.
A point well made. (The final four coaches thing.)
I wonder if I'm spending too much time on this board. As I reflect on my post, its clear to me that I have been infected with the Anti-Crean virus. It feels good tho....
It's probably because I never had a good cry over Tommy moving on. I probably needed to, to provide a sense of closure.
BTW, Chics, (Chicos seems too formal now that I've bared my soul to you), I'm still looking for the Mbao to Ind. thing. I remembered it from last year, but haven't found my source yet. My recollection is that Coach Crean came in very late and attempted to snipe him away with the Indiana name.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 14, 2010, 02:05:51 PM
A point well made. (The final four coaches thing.)
I wonder if I'm spending too much time on this board. As I reflect on my post, its clear to me that I have been infected with the Anti-Crean virus. It feels good tho....
It's probably because I never had a good cry over Tommy moving on. I probably needed to, to provide a sense of closure.
BTW, Chics, (Chicos seems too formal now that I've bared my soul to you), I'm still looking for the Mbao to Ind. thing. I remembered it from last year, but haven't found my source yet. My recollection is that Coach Crean came in very late and attempted to snipe him away with the Indiana name.
Let me know if you find it, you could be right but I don't recall seeing it. The more I think about Mbao, makes you wonder if Buzz went after him with the hope of actually landing Kanter. Mr. Kanter committed today to Kentucky and also played at Stoneridge Prep. Kanter is the real deal and also a foreign player.