Interesting side note:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/basketball/2010-02-28-findlay-prep_N.htm
Heaven help our Big East rivals...
Jamail just sent it in with authority.
oooooooooooooooooh man.
Another top 10 highlight.
Findlay is definitly the better team and I still hope the gophers land Joseph. WIlliams even said Joseph is the best point guard of this class.
Jones has a couple of bad bounces on his drives but he continues to make free throws and just threw down a big one.
He wasn't satisfied with #3, he wants #1 on Sportscenter top 10.
whatta dunk!
Holy crap he threw that down hard.
It's going to be interesting to see James Bell vs. Jamail/Crowder.
27-26 Findlay at the half
Excellent looking length, athleticism, and stroke. As the ESPN analysts would say "can do it inside and out" The kid will be able to contribute immediately
Only dig is that he seems to get lazy and take plays off on the defensive end- I trust Buzz will be able to help him improve here
Buzz already told Jay Williams that Jamail will play and be an immediate impact.
is it just me or does he seem a step above bell? The last couple games bell has taken some selfish and stupid shots.
Quote from: mudimitri on April 03, 2010, 01:09:52 PM
Excellent looking length, athleticism, and stroke. As the ESPN analysts would say "can do it inside and out" The kid will be able to contribute immediately
Only dig is that he seems to get lazy and take plays off on the defensive end- I trust Buzz will be able to help him improve here
I agree, he could do better on D, but he seems to be the guy they put on Cory Joseph! Man, that kid is rather nasty himself.
Quote from: mudimitri on April 03, 2010, 01:09:52 PM
Only dig is that he seems to get lazy and take plays off on the defensive end- I trust Buzz will be able to help him improve here
Yeah, but he's been stuck guarding 6'9" Tristan Thompson on switchoffs.
In fact, the only kids I saw getting playing time than are taller than Jamail are Ndao 6'8 and Okam 7'0.
Which, along with the headband, would qualify him to fill Zar's big shoes next season. ;)
I don't want to get too far ahead of things here, but Jones may have the most NBA potential of all the incoming recruits. He has really good size for the guard position, good stroke from the outside already, and has great athleticism to go with it all. Just needs to continue to improve his game all-around, get better defensively, and learn to play hard consistently for 40 minutes. I think this kid has tremendous upside folks.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on April 03, 2010, 01:14:19 PM
I don't want to get too far ahead of things here, but Jones may have the most NBA potential of all the incoming recruits. He has really good size for the guard position, good stroke from the outside already, and has great athleticism to go with it all. Just needs to continue to improve his game all-around, get better defensively, and learn to play hard consistently for 40 minutes. I think this kid has tremendous upside folks.
Interesting...at least he's not a one and done...and can see his stock rise as well as attract positive attention to Buzz and Co. at MU.
EDIT: Bell does NOT look impressive. If he's really talented, he's really struggling.
Wow he Jamail looks good. Just knocked down a three and the announcers made a comment along the lines being like Hayward in his ability to hit a 3 and get to the basket. Good to hear that about a future player.
Id be surprised to NOT see Blue, DJO and Jones as our three guards on the court a lot next year. That's a lot of athleticism on the court. Smith probably won't be ready to be the main backup PG (I think he's a good redshirt candidate), so we will have to turn to Blue to takeover a lot next year. We could arguably be playing with a more talented backcourt than the Big Three.
Montverde's gonna lose this one if their PG continues to play out of control and Bell shoots like he's the BMOC.
That said, Findlay is disgustingly deep and talented.
Findlay is a much more talented team. Monteverde has some athletic freaks, but the talent top to bottom is no doubt Findlay.
Quote from: KCMarq09 on April 03, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Id be surprised to NOT see Blue, DJO and Jones as our three guards on the court a lot next year. That's a lot of athleticism on the court. Smith probably won't be ready to be the main backup PG (I think he's a good redshirt candidate), so we will have to turn to Blue to takeover a lot next year. We could arguably be playing with a more talented backcourt than the Big Three.
Uh oh, Junior already riding pine? In all honesty, the injury might have hurt the kid more than I originally thought- he woulda gotten plenty of minutes and been a virtual lock to start at the PG position. Now, he has a lot of competition at the guard spot, and if he doesnt defend well Buzz may decide to go without a true PG since the team will have plenty of ball handlers. Either way, he will likely see less minutes than we originally thought... I hope he ends up getting plenty of minutes because I think the team can use a pure PG to set up all the slashers/shooters
This Montverde PG is like Mo, Jr.!
He's just too small and getting abused by the bigger, stronger Findlay guards!
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 03, 2010, 01:13:26 PM
Yeah, but he's been stuck guarding 6'9" Tristan Thompson on switchoffs.
In fact, the only kids I saw getting playing time than are taller than Jamail are Ndao 6'8 and Okam 7'0.
Which, along with the headband, would qualify him to fill Zar's big shoes next season. ;)
Thats not my issue, my issue is that he has looked EXTREMELY lazy getting back on defense, even on his missed shots. He just doesnt look like he wants to hustle to get back and defend, or dive in for loose balls, etc. I know hes in high school and a lot of hs kids do that, but he WONT be able to do that on Buzz's team
That said, if there was one area that needed improvement I would pick this one- intensity and defensive effort- because Buzz will definitely fix that. If not, Mr Jones won't be playing
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 03, 2010, 01:40:05 PM
Montverde's gonna lose this one if their PG continues to play out of control and Bell shoots like he's the BMOC.
That said, Findlay is disgustingly deep and talented.
I looked up Cory Joseph's short list, and man...I kinda hope he stays away from the Big East!
Quote from: KCMarq09 on April 03, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
Id be surprised to NOT see Blue, DJO and Jones as our three guards on the court a lot next year. That's a lot of athleticism on the court. Smith probably won't be ready to be the main backup PG (I think he's a good redshirt candidate), so we will have to turn to Blue to takeover a lot next year. We could arguably be playing with a more talented backcourt than the Big Three.
None of those guys is ready to play point in the Big East.
Junior may not be either, but he's easily the best candidate. And as much as everyone is excited about the new guys, Junior was a pretty highly rated recruit in his own right, as high as any of the incoming freshmen.
One thing I would like to add is even though Jones seems a little lazy to all of us, he is a very solid rebounder and with his size at guard it is something we will greatly need.
If not for about 3 or 4 shots that just rolled of the rim hed be nearing 30 pts. Hes got game.
just turned on the game...does anyone know jamail's line
Quote from: jfmu on April 03, 2010, 01:59:12 PM
just turned on the game...does anyone know jamail's line
I think it's gotta be around 21 pts 8 rebounds
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 03, 2010, 01:52:49 PM
One thing I would like to add is even though Jones seems a little lazy to all of us, he is a very solid rebounder and with his size at guard it is something we will greatly need.
If not for about 3 or 4 shots that just rolled of the rim hed be nearing 30 pts. Hes got game.
Yes plenty of game. Id say one of the more polished incoming freshmen OFFENSIVELY that I have seen in a while. Like you said, will likely also rebound well with his length and strength
You know Buzz is doing an excellent job recruiting wise because any other year in this last decade we would be looking at this kid and saying he is a definite immediate starter, I truly feel that way. With the amount of talent in the backcourt he may not, but he will definitely contribute. That said, it will mostly depend on his defense how much time he gets (although DJO got plenty of time with subpar defense, so Jones may too)
Findlay's Godwin Okonji had MARQ listed as interested schools on his graphic.
Really?
James Bell has single handedly lost this game for MV. My God talk about not knowing what a bad shot is!
Quote from: NickelDimer on April 03, 2010, 02:02:16 PM
James Bell has single handedly lost this game for MV. My God talk about not knowing what a bad shot is!
I have been unbelievably unimpressed by Bell. He's played selfish, sloppy basketball...I'm sure he's a damn good player and worth some of the hype...but on the whole, him going to Nova doesn't scare me at all...
Quote from: NickelDimer on April 03, 2010, 02:02:16 PM
James Bell has single handedly lost this game for MV. My God talk about not knowing what a bad shot is!
Maybe...but their PG sucks balls.
That last three was selfish. He'd push the ball up only to get caught in bad passing situations. TOs galore... horrible.
exactly ice man. By watching Bell I can see the talent he has with that step back and his shot looks good, but he is very selfish and takes some really dumb shots. Him and the little pg really lost this game for them today
On the flip side I've been really impressed with JJ's patience. It would be really easy to force things on this stage, (see James Bell), but he didn't, and yet he still filled up the stat sheet. That's playing beyond one's years.
A little improvement on his defensive intensity and he could be the best player on MU's squad at some point.
So, with Findlay locking up this title...
Jamail Jones loses in Prep Title game.
DJ Newbill loses in the State Title game.
Vander Blue loses in the State Title game.
Reggie Smith loses in CLASS 3A SECTIONAL.
Talented and competitive kids with chips on their shoulders are coming in!
Gotta love it!
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2010, 01:51:05 PM
None of those guys is ready to play point in the Big East.
Junior may not be either, but he's easily the best candidate. And as much as everyone is excited about the new guys, Junior was a pretty highly rated recruit in his own right, as high as any of the incoming freshmen.
I thought Blue is seen as being able to be a mix of a 2 guard and point and possibly trying to move to really learning the point. I could've been wrong though and assumed he would be our # 1 backup point guard (not saying he would only be playing point). He has to be more ready than Smith, and who else really is there? Buycks? Nothing I saw made me think his decision making skills should be applied to play the point. DJO? Possibly, but I would assume you'd want him to be the main shooting guard nearly all the time so plays could be built and run for him.
I don't know why we have suddenly written off every freshman coming in. Have we already forgotten about the Big Three's rookie year?
Was looking up the PG for Montverde and found this interesting piece.
Possibly from Mbao to Ndao? Another Senegal big IF there's an opening?
" As the college coaching carousel spins this spring the last thing Papa Samba Ndao of Montverde Academy wants is reopen his recruiting.
That might be the case depending who Boston College hires after parting ways with coach Al Skinner earlier this week. Ndao, a 6-9 ace defender and rebounder, signed with the Eagles but hasn't heard who will get the job.
BC interviewed Ed Cooley (of Fairfield), a former BC assistant; Steve Donohue of Cornell; Chris Mooney of Richmond; and Bill Coen of Northeastern. A decision should forthcoming.
Until then Ndao, a native of Dakar, Senegal, can only wait."
"No decisions until the hire a coach," said Ndao, who hopes to study medicine with a keen interest in cardiology.
Before signing with BC, Ndao entertained Harvard, Texas Christian and Clemson.
"Coach Skinner called me the day he was fired and told me if I needed any help to call him," Ndao said. "He'll do whatever it takes to help me and the rest of the recruits. That's great of him.""
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 03, 2010, 02:20:43 PM
Was looking up the PG for Montverde and found this interesting piece.
Possibly from Mbao to Ndao? Another Senegal big IF there's an opening?
" As the college coaching carousel spins this spring the last thing Papa Samba Ndao of Montverde Academy wants is reopen his recruiting.
That might be the case depending who Boston College hires after parting ways with coach Al Skinner earlier this week. Ndao, a 6-9 ace defender and rebounder, signed with the Eagles but hasn't heard who will get the job.
BC interviewed Ed Cooley (of Fairfield), a former BC assistant; Steve Donohue of Cornell; Chris Mooney of Richmond; and Bill Coen of Northeastern. A decision should forthcoming.
Until then Ndao, a native of Dakar, Senegal, can only wait."
"No decisions until the hire a coach," said Ndao, who hopes to study medicine with a keen interest in cardiology.
Before signing with BC, Ndao entertained Harvard, Texas Christian and Clemson.
"Coach Skinner called me the day he was fired and told me if I needed any help to call him," Ndao said. "He'll do whatever it takes to help me and the rest of the recruits. That's great of him.""
Interesting indeed. A long defender/rebounder to compliment our offensive, guard heavy class? YES PLEASE!
Quote from: KCMarq09 on April 03, 2010, 02:17:38 PM
I thought Blue is seen as being able to be a mix of a 2 guard and point and possibly trying to move to really learning the point. I could've been wrong though and assumed he would be our # 1 backup point guard (not saying he would only be playing point). He has to be more ready than Smith, and who else really is there? Buycks? Nothing I saw made me think his decision making skills should be applied to play the point. DJO? Possibly, but I would assume you'd want him to be the main shooting guard nearly all the time so plays could be built and run for him.
I don't know why we have suddenly written off every freshman coming in. Have we already forgotten about the Big Three's rookie year?
I'm sorry ... could you explain how you equate the suggestion that a high school two guard is not ready to start at he point as a freshman in the Big East to "writing off every freshman coming in?"
That's quite a stretch, even by message board standards.
Yes, either Blue or Smith I(more likely Smith, IMO) will get some backup minutes at the point next year. But, barring bad luck, it should not be "a lot" of minutes.
The better question is ... Why have some already written off a top 50 recruit who's been characterized by all as a pure point guard without him even havin a full, healthy season to show what he can do?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2010, 02:27:51 PM
I'm sorry ... could you explain how you equate the suggestion that a high school two guard is not ready to start at he point as a freshman in the Big East to "writing off every freshman coming in?"
That's quite a stretch, even by message board standards.
Yes, either Blue or Smith I(more likely Smith, IMO) will get some backup minutes at the point next year. But, barring bad luck, it should not be "a lot" of minutes.
The better question is ... Why have some already written off a top 50 recruit who's been characterized by all as a pure point guard without him even havin a full, healthy season to show what he can do?
First off, where did I say the Cadougan would not be the #1 point guard? I was simply saying that because Cadougan can't play all 40 minutes (and probably low 30 at the very most), we would most likely see a backup point guard around 10 minutes of the game.
I'm sorry you got all worked up about it like I was ripping Smith and Cadougan. I also said I may have been wrong about suggesting Blue could play a significant portion at the points, I just remember some posters here suggesting Blue could see some solid time there.
I should not have said 'a lot,' but 10+ minutes is significant.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2010, 02:27:51 PM
The better question is ... Why have some already written off a top 50 recruit who's been characterized by all as a pure point guard without him even havin a full, healthy season to show what he can do?
I, for one, and really excited to see Cadougan play next year. I think he's gonna' surprise a lot of people that watched him this year, and decided he wasn't starters material ;D
First JJ really lacks hustle on defense, quite often if he would have hustled back on d he could have picked off missed shots and rebounded or helped on D. He just did not hustle on D, that is what leads to PINE TIME. On offense is not selfish and can play inside/outside with some penetration skills. Regarding Junior I can see him very effective in getting the ball to DJO, Dwight, Vander and others with his passing skills. Junior will start and effectively lead the team as a floor general.
Quote from: muball on April 03, 2010, 02:53:39 PM
First JJ really lacks hustle on defense, quite often if he would have hustled back on d he could have picked off missed shots and rebounded or helped on D. He just did not hustle on D, that is what leads to PINE TIME. On offense is not selfish and can play inside/outside with some penetration skills. Regarding Junior I can see him very effective in getting the ball to DJO, Dwight, Vander and others with his passing skills. Junior will start and effectively lead the team as a floor general.
Agree, but I am trusting Buzz to be able to get the most possible out of JJ. Why would anyone think he wouldn't play a lot harder when he is at MU? I saw flashes of him having very good defensive capability, then at other times saw him lacking, not getting down the floor or in position. I just don't think you can conclude that that is the kind of play you will see from him while in an MU uniform.
I also think that having the ability to shoot as well as he does will lead to more floor time. I think that's why we saw DJO establish himself early and Buycks' time was limited (because he did play some good defense).
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 03, 2010, 02:07:00 PM
exactly ice man. By watching Bell I can see the talent he has with that step back and his shot looks good, but he is very selfish and takes some really dumb shots. Him and the little pg really lost this game for them today
Agree 100%! Was not impressed by Bell. the PG had many TO's but in his defense, his teammates were standing around waiting for...? The pg apparently has no shot.
Jones was the story for Monteverde. He should have seen a lot more of the ball during the second half when it got away from them. On "D" he was adequate but had to cheat down to help on Thompson. Should be a contributor next year.
like people have already said, DJO played with not great d skills. Jones will probably work on it alot this summer. But hes gona play with his size. At 6'6 he already has a huge advantage on other guards, he has proven he can rebound and like the announcers loved today, he can drive and play inside and also knock down shots outside to keep you honest.
HE ALSO MAKES HIS FREE THROWS, i didnt see him miss any the whole tourney and that is a huge asset.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 03, 2010, 02:02:02 PM
Findlay's Godwin Okonji had MARQ listed as interested schools on his graphic.
Really?
Really? I missed this... Does anyone know anything about this? The kid looked to have a good body and would be a nice post presence, but seemed to be a project
Seems to be a 6'9" 200 lb 2 star prospect. Is he an upgrade from what we already have?
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 03, 2010, 03:15:23 PM
At 6'6 he already has a huge advantage ...
Is he 6'6? The announcers at the game kept saying he was 6'4 or 6'5. Not a big deal though, the kid looks like he can play.
every site has him listed at 6'6. But yeah I heard the annoucners say he was 6'5 alot so he probably is a generous 6'6. but hes also got some weight so hes built solidly for a guard. He could be alot like Wes from what i have seen. Hopefully he brings the same production.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 03, 2010, 04:14:29 PM
every site has him listed at 6'6. But yeah I heard the annoucners say he was 6'5 alot so he probably is a generous 6'6. but hes also got some weight so hes built solidly for a guard. He could be alot like Wes from what i have seen. Hopefully he brings the same production.
I saw only part of the game. I did not see his outside range shooting, but inside 15 he looked very good, quick feet when he worked with the ball. Could he poss play some 3 w/us-- he has decent size
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 03, 2010, 02:17:28 PM
So, with Findlay locking up this title...
Jamail Jones loses in Prep Title game.
DJ Newbill loses in the State Title game.
Vander Blue loses in the State Title game.
Reggie Smith loses in CLASS 3A SECTIONAL.
Talented and competitive kids with chips on their shoulders are coming in!
Gotta love it!
And don't forget that Jae Crowder led his team to the Junior College National Championship and was named Player of the Year in the JuCo ranks.
houwarrior, the thing that actually concerned alot of people was that he was "just a shooter". If you only watched him the last couple games you say what got everyone excited when he proved he can put it on the floor. Hes a great shooter.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 03, 2010, 05:07:12 PM
houwarrior, the thing that actually concerned alot of people was that he was "just a shooter". If you only watched him the last couple games you say what got everyone excited when he proved he can put it on the floor. Hes a great shooter.
Thanks so much. You, having seen much more of him have a much better feel should he play 1, 2 or 3, or split time among one or more?
I only ask b/c of our gaurd only log jam (again--that may be my limited knowledge and ignorance showing)
Quote from: houwarrior on April 03, 2010, 05:20:21 PM
Thanks so much. You, having seen much more of him have a much better feel should he play 1, 2 or 3, or split time among one or more?
I only ask b/c of our gaurd only log jam (again--that may be my limited knowledge and ignorance showing)
JMO, but I think Jones plays a big guard/wing spot in what I think will remain a three-guard lineup.
1: Cadougan; Smith; Blue
2/3: Blue; Buycks
2/3: DJO; Jones; Newbill
3/4: Butler; Crowder; Fulce
5: Otule; Mbao (Crowder/Fulce when we go real small)
These lineups are so hard, though. I think what's been said before, and seems to be true, is that Buzz wants a point guard, a post and then a bunch of interchangeable guys at the 2,3 and 4 to give him tons of flexibility and the ability to create matchup problems for opponents.
I think Jones will play mostly 3. On a site that someone posted yesterday he was voted the best SF coming into the Big East next year.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 03, 2010, 04:14:29 PM
every site has him listed at 6'6. But yeah I heard the annoucners say he was 6'5 alot so he probably is a generous 6'6. but hes also got some weight so hes built solidly for a guard. He could be alot like Wes from what i have seen. Hopefully he brings the same production.
From what I saw these last 2 days, Jones is significantly more explosive than Wes - hops-wise, and off the bounce. That said, he does not appear to play with the same intensity Wes played with from Day 1 at MU. As others have said, hopefully Buzz will get max effort out of JJ, and I trust that Buzz will. I do think that his coach at Montverde gives Jamail the freedom/flexibility to be a rover defender of sorts - and this does give the appearance that he isn't defending intensely. I hate to say this, but I'd almost be slightly disappointed if JJ's production were the same as Wes's - as from what I've seen these last 2 days, JJ looks like he has a higher ceiling than Wes. The question will be if he can reach that ceiling by having the toughness and work ethic that Wes had - if so, he'll be a better player at MU than was Wes.
i get what you are saying with the dissappointment, but we should be pretty deep as is. If he puts up wes numbers i like our chances in the eyars to come.
My take on JJ.
Pros: Superb FT shooter, attacks the basket well, great range as a shooter, excellent body with the possibility of developing a good post up game with all the switches Buzz's offense causes
Cons: Very low motor, not aggressive on the boards, poor close out skills
It seems Buzz will have to give him pine time unless his energy level is vastly improved. I didn't see him run the break or even chase one either offensively or defensively. Excellent potential player but unproven until he learns every possession counts.
Quote from: DaCoach on April 03, 2010, 06:30:14 PM
My take on JJ.
Pros: Superb FT shooter, attacks the basket well, great range as a shooter, excellent body with the possibility of developing a good post up game with all the switches Buzz's offense causes
Cons: Very low motor, not aggressive on the boards, poor close out skills
It seems Buzz will have to give him pine time unless his energy level is vastly improved. I didn't see him run the break or even chase one either offensively or defensively. Excellent potential player but unproven until he learns every possession counts.
very low motor? They never got the ball to him the last 10 minutes looking for Bell instead. This game does not provide sufficient evidence to draw your conclusion.
Quote from: ATWizJr on April 03, 2010, 07:42:12 PM
very low motor? They never got the ball to him the last 10 minutes looking for Bell instead. This game does not provide sufficient evidence to draw your conclusion.
Yes, very low motor. I saw him play all 3 games in the tourney plus another game earlier in the season. If you think he plays hard the majority of his time on the court you must have low expectations.