the kid can play. i have a feeling that he could lead mu in the comming years and be the next great warrior.
Great situation for him to come in and learn from Butler and DJO. If he doesn't show energy now, he is going to have to bring it every day in practice against those guys. Great pick up though by Buzz.
he will just help make us even more scary in the next 2-3 years
I have only watched him twice now but the kid can shoot. People worried that we have lost a lot of outside shooting (Zar, Coobs, Acker)... well, we have a nice shooter in Jones. I think he gets some playing time next year, at least as a spot up shooter when people zone us or pack in the "D".
Probably has a way to go on "D" and some other areas, but next year he can still add some depth to this team as a shooter.
At first I thought that EWill and Jones will be fighting each other for playing time but I don't think so now. It seems like Jones is more of a 2/3 and EWill more of a 4/3. Does this sound right to people?
Yeah Jones plays more guard and uses his size there. Him and DJO should be great together in 2 years. Jones and Crowder will find PT based on their ability to shoot the ball
Yeah Williams is more of an inside player and Jones is a wing.
JJ did a real nice Wesley Matthews imitation today...... ;D
Quote from: MarquetteDano on April 02, 2010, 01:11:23 PM
It seems like Jones is more of a 2/3 and EWill more of a 4/3. Does this sound right to people?
Jamail stepped up the aggressiveness today - great to see. Yes - if you had to define those two players as either a guard or forward, Jones is a guard, Erik is a forward...
Okonji and Findlay are winning in the other semi-final... almost halftime. Looks like we'll have a rematch of Montverde/Findlay - Jamail's squad won the first one on their home court.. but Findlay had a couple of injuries, including Tristan Thompson in that one.. excellent game coming up tomorrow - 12:30pm central on ESPN.
I agree he is more of a 2/3, and he seems capable of fighting for some playing time right away
This really makes me wish crowder is more of a 4/5, because the 1-3 spots seem more than complete with Cadougan, Blue, DJO, Buycks, Jones, Smith, Newbill
That hopefully leaves 6 guys at the 4/5 with
Butler, Fulce, Otule, Mbao, Crowder, Williams
Very well balance with a ton of talent, yet little experience and many question marks. Overall I love it
I'm just as excited as anyone else to see how next years squad plays out in terms of minutes and production..but Jones is playing against other high school players in that game. Granted it is a good field of teams in that tournament, but I feel like too many people are placing expectations on unknown qualities (see Erik Williams).
I understand that people like the way he played in the game today, but as someone said on the other JJ board..it is amazing on how everyone falls in love w/someone after one good game. All I am saying is that let's see how it pans out in the early going for the next season, I hope your all right about how good our freshman will turn out to be next season, but I would like to see more..meaning next season.
A plus for Jamil is the fact that he already has experience living away from home, and playing ball for a school that runs a program like a college team would. That should give him a step up next year.
Quote from: damuts222 on April 02, 2010, 01:53:16 PM
I'm just as excited as anyone else to see how next years squad plays out in terms of minutes and production..but Jones is playing against other high school players in that game. Granted it is a good field of teams in that tournament, but I feel like too many people are placing expectations on unknown qualities (see Erik Williams).
I understand that people like the way he played in the game today, but as someone said on the other JJ board..it is amazing on how everyone falls in love w/someone after one good game. All I am saying is that let's see how it pans out in the early going for the next season, I hope your all right about how good our freshman will turn out to be next season, but I would like to see more..meaning next season.
I don't know if you are reading another thread in this response but I don't see anyone in this thread saying the guy will start next year or anything crazy like that. I was just surprised, given his size, the shooting capability. People in this thread mention things like "in the future" which doesn't mean next year. I think if he provides 5-10 mpg next year with the ability to drain threes that will be a big help.
QuoteI don't know if you are reading another thread in this response but I don't see anyone in this thread saying the guy will start next year or anything crazy like that. I was just surprised, given his size, the shooting capability. People in this thread mention things like "in the future" which doesn't mean next year. I think if he provides 5-10 mpg next year with the ability to drain threes that will be a big help.
I don't know what I'm reading either. Its Friday afternoon and I can't wait to get out of work. It will be exciting to have a young team with a lot of unknowns next year.
Buzz has said he wants to run 9.5 guys so right now id go.........butler, djo, buycks, junior, blue, crowder, otule, fulce, jones those 9 getting solid PT. Then ewill and mbao if they are ready and able. Thats 11 guys with decent PT to 9 a game I would say.
I really wouldnt mind JB and DJO playing basically jimmy and lazar minutes from this year and then roll the other 7 or so guys on match ups/whose hot to equal out playing time
Many teams do well off "line changes" and I think we have a team able to do that, but dont take away from JB or DJO.
Jimmy actually led the entire team in minutes played this year 1165 to Lazar's 1097. Kubbie was third, DJO fourth.
Modification for grammar. Sorry, Mrs. Strom (sixth grade teacher).
yeah, exactly. Thats why I am saying that with this deep but inexperienced team we should basically do line changes, but leave JB and DJO in as long as they are able to and out of Foul trouble(Foul trouble shouldnt hurt DJO much ever)
Yeah, when you're looking for guys to play most of the game, its good to know that they're already shown that they can handle it.
Alot of scoring talent on next years teams. The newcomers that will get playing time are the ones that can play defense, i.e., defend, rebound, not make mental mistakes.
Thats why I think Crowder will suprise and play alot, maybe even start. Hes 6'6 so not a monster by any means but he rebounded great in JUCO like 10 ppg or something so to think he can get 7 a game is not a huge stretch, he can score from outside and play solid d. So i defintily think Crowder plays alot.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 02, 2010, 04:43:37 PM
Thats why I think Crowder will suprise and play alot, maybe even start. Hes 6'6 so not a monster by any means but he rebounded great in JUCO like 10 ppg or something so to think he can get 7 a game is not a huge stretch, he can score from outside and play solid d. So i defintily think Crowder plays alot.
Have you seen Crowder play?
twice
From watching the game today, Jamil Jones looks a lot more like a shooting guard than he does a small foreward. His body reminds me of a young Wesley Matthews. It will be really nice to have a 6'4-6'5 guard which is what his height probably is, (not 6'6 like he is listed everywhere) as opposed to a back court filled with 6'1-6'2 players like Blue, DJO, and Buycks.
Quote from: warriorsforever on April 02, 2010, 05:42:28 PM
It will be really nice to have a 6'4-6'5 guard which is what his height probably is, (not 6'6 like he is listed everywhere) as opposed to a back court filled with 6'1-6'2 players like Blue, DJO, and Buycks.
Wait... you mean guys listed at 6'6 aren't supposed to be centers???? What the Hell.
I definitly see Jamail as a Wesley Matthews type if he can drive the way he showed today. Wesley had a solid outside shot and strove off driving because of his good size for a guard. DJO and Vander are not small for guards with Vander being 6'3 and DJO is around 6'2 but has proven he has the hops. We will definitly be bigger all around next year than this year, but I agree we still need that 6'9-6'10 talent.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 02, 2010, 03:54:35 PM
Buzz has said he wants to run 9.5 guys so right now id go.........butler, djo, buycks, junior, blue, crowder, otule, fulce, jones those 9 getting solid PT. Then ewill and mbao if they are ready and able. Thats 11 guys with decent PT to 9 a game I would say.
I really wouldnt mind JB and DJO playing basically jimmy and lazar minutes from this year and then roll the other 7 or so guys on match ups/whose hot to equal out playing time
Many teams do well off "line changes" and I think we have a team able to do that, but dont take away from JB or DJO.
Did you forget Reggie Smith? I think he should get
some time...
No, but i thought i heard something he may not be eligable and hes probably the smallest of our guards and the worst shooter I believe so i think he may spend alot of next year watching. Newbill shoots way better and he probably wont play a ton.
Quote from: LittleMurs on April 02, 2010, 03:58:25 PM
Jimmy actually led the entire team in minutes played this year 1165 to Lazar's 1097. Kubbie was third, DJO fourth.
Modification for grammar. Sorry, Mrs. Strom (sixth grade teacher).
Kubbie? Is he related to Coobie or Cooby who played on MU last season?
Quote from: mosarsour on April 02, 2010, 06:21:01 PM
Kubbie? Is he related to Coobie or Cooby who played on MU last season?
VERY closely related. Couldn't remember spelling for his nickname, and I came up with Cubbie, and I knew that wasn't right, so I just tried to go phonic on Cubbie.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 02, 2010, 06:19:10 PM
No, but i thought i heard something he may not be eligable and hes probably the smallest of our guards and the worst shooter I believe so i think he may spend alot of next year watching. Newbill shoots way better and he probably wont play a ton.
I believe that Smith is touted for his quickness, freak athleticism and very good defense. If he is a good defensive player he will get more time than DJ or Jamail next year.
I dont expect DJ to get alot of time if any next year. But if Jamail works this summer and proves hes got the defensive skills he will defintily get the PT with his size and overall ability. I just see Reggie being more of an asset 2 years when Buycks is gone.
Quote from: mosarsour on April 02, 2010, 06:21:01 PM
Kubbie? Is he related to Coobie or Cooby who played on MU last season?
Probably the ONLY best part of seeing Cubillan leave. ;)
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 02, 2010, 05:08:22 PM
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So, by saying he can score from the outside you mean he's a 3-point threat? And you believe his defense will translate from JUCO to high major talent?
Could he keep Dion Waiters from penetrating the hoop?
He can absolutly stroke it from outside. Thats actually the majority of his game, hes gona have to work alot to be solid in the 3/4 spot. Have you not seen any vids of his shot? I can only hope he can play good D next year. Hes got solid size in the form that hes well built and can move well. Hes alot like Lazar(without the proven College Talent). So yeah he should be quick enough to use his size and strength against a guy like Waiters.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 02, 2010, 06:19:10 PM
No, but i thought i heard something he may not be eligable and hes probably the smallest of our guards and the worst shooter I believe so i think he may spend alot of next year watching. Newbill shoots way better and he probably wont play a ton.
Should someone who can't spell the word eligible be commenting on a high school senior?
I said I heard he may not be. I didnt make fun of him. Its a damn message board, not grammar class. Get out more and worry about thing other than proper spelling of a message board
His dunk today made #3 on top plays
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on April 02, 2010, 10:26:08 PM
He can absolutly stroke it from outside. Thats actually the majority of his game, hes gona have to work alot to be solid in the 3/4 spot. Have you not seen any vids of his shot? I can only hope he can play good D next year. Hes got solid size in the form that hes well built and can move well. Hes alot like Lazar(without the proven College Talent). So yeah he should be quick enough to use his size and strength against a guy like Waiters.
I've seen videos but that doesn't mean much.
Sounds like we have nine guys for three spots. And if Crowder can keep a PG like Waiters out of the lane he'll not only start but he'll be the conference's defensive player of the year.
now im not sure he is conference defensive player by any means, and I dont think a freshman being stopped could give you that title. Crowder will get PT, but we do have alot of guys for the same spots.
Just as a heads up, he is playing at 12:30 CT today on ESPN in the championship vs Findlay Prep.
I think the caliber of players that Buzz is bringing in is what really excites us.
Guys who will take it to the rim without fear is probably the difference between his signees and Crean's.
Dunking is just one talent and should not be extolled over other aspects of a player's game, but if the kid can shoot, pass, AND dunk, he should be one heckuva player for MU.
FEAR THE EAGLE!
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 03, 2010, 12:01:26 PM
I think the caliber of players that Buzz is bringing in is what really excites us.
Guys who will take it to the rim without fear is probably the difference between his signees and Crean's.
Dwyane Wade, Wes Matthews and Jerel McNeal were chickens when it came to taking it to the rim. And Lazar Hayward is/was a big scaredy cat.
I realize plenty here don't like Crean ... often for good reason.
But c'mon. Really?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2010, 12:11:22 PM
Dwyane Wade, Wes Matthews and Jerel McNeal were chickens when it came to taking it to the rim. And Lazar Hayward is/was a big scaredy cat.
I realize plenty here don't like Crean ... often for good reason.
But c'mon. Really?
Agreed. Out of Buzz's recruits, it seems Buycks is the most fearless at going to the rim.
Quote from: KC2016 on April 03, 2010, 12:25:32 PM
Agreed. Out of Buzz's recruits, it seems Buycks is the most fearless at going to the rim.
Jimmy Butler was always at the rim, as evidenced by the number of FT attempts.
Jamail will take over that next year. He just threw down another 1 handed slam. Jay williams said he talked to buzz and buzz said he will play and have an immediate impact.