I was looking at rivals.com yesterday and we ranked as the 13th best class with Vander, Smith and Jones.
If you go to the Marquette team site is says we have a verbal from Newbill and Crowder.
My question is, how often does a verbal committment back out or go somwhere else because the other team kept recruiting? How often does a school go back on an offer?
**By no means am I saying MU should drop one of these guys or trying make us look bad so don't assume that.
And is Buzz still working on recruiting someone better? There are some fairly high rated PF on the board, although none of them list MU.
Quote from: Michaelindz on March 22, 2010, 07:31:35 AM
My question is, how often does a verbal commitment back out or go somewhere else because the other team kept recruiting? How often does a school go back on an offer?
Happens all the time. See Vander Blue, he originally committed to Wisconsin and then backed out.
Schools that go back on offers have to be careful. If they "blow a kid out" it could hurt them with future recruits and every coach competing against them will remind every recruit how someone was "blown out."
More than likely, coaches/schools do what we did with Roseboro. Sit him down and tell him that he's probably going to ride the bench with little playing time for his career and while he is free to stay, it would be "understandable" if he considered going somewhere else.
When is the next signing period? As far as I know, from the WIKI, we have signed Smith only and the rest are verbals.
We signed smith, jones, and blue in the fall period. I think the spring period is the 2nd week in april.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 22, 2010, 07:38:57 AM
More than likely, coaches/schools do what we did with Roseboro. Sit him down and tell him that he's probably going to ride the bench with little playing time for his career and while he is free to stay, it would be "understandable" if he considered going somewhere else.
Are you speculating, or do you have a source on this? If the latter, please link.
Vander never commited signing a LOI as a verbal is just stating yes I intend to go there. Once you sign the LOI then you have committed.
Where on the WIKI can I find who has verballed us, who has signed a LOI, and when the next signing period is?
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball_recruits/start
Quote from: BrewCity on March 22, 2010, 09:18:37 AM
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball_recruits/start
Help me out here....when I click on this link I find a list of some verbals under 2010 copmmits and cannot tell who has signed and who has not. Also, no mention of Crowder or Newbill on this link that I can find. What am I missing here?
Looks like it just needs some updating...
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 22, 2010, 07:38:57 AM
Happens all the time. See Vander Blue, he originally committed to Wisconsin and then backed out.
Or see Aaron Bowen, for that matter (unfortunately).
Quote from: Benny B on March 22, 2010, 08:31:28 AM
Are you speculating, or do you have a source on this? If the latter, please link.
What do you think happened here? I'm too lazy too look up a link but this is what I
remember from last fall and we probably had 10 threads about it.
So is there a chance one of the verbals is out and we land a big? I know it is not nice to think about but we have a load of wings coming in.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 22, 2010, 10:28:55 AM
What do you think happened here? I'm too lazy too look up a link but this is what I remember from last fall and we probably had 10 threads about it.
I remember that the general consensus was that Roseboro and MU mutually agreed to part ways, but I don't recall that the exact circumstances or details were ever confirmed (except for a secondhand soundbite from one of his HS coaches).
Scholarships are actually one-year renewables, so if MU wanted to, it could just tell one of the players that they aren't offering them a scholarship for next year. They won't have to talk anyone into anything.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 22, 2010, 11:13:59 AM
Scholarships are actually one-year renewables, so if MU wanted to, it could just tell one of the players that they aren't offering them a scholarship for next year. They won't have to talk anyone into anything.
I don't think that is the rep we want to have with recruits. Hey kid, here's a scholly to play BB at MU but we often don't renew them,so you might have to find another school to transfer to before your 4 years are up. Nah.
Crean did it with regularity when he was here.
There is talk on another board about a potential "surprise signing" for MU. Apparently the rumor is that it's a 6'10" 250lb post player. Maybe Maurice Walker doesn't like the rumors that Dixon is leaving Pitt or a "big" recruit from one of the other schools who's coach has quit or been fired is planning on making a switch.
There was a lot of speculation on the other board about whether that meant someone was transferring, a "verbal" being told thanks but no thanks, etc...but then that board turned into a bitch-fest between a few people and strayed from the topic.
So I'll say this here, it is BY NO MEANS FACT, but, there was a buzz (no pun intended) around the Chicago Public League that Reggie Smith may not qualify academically. I hope that isn't the case because I think he has amazing potential, but that said, if he doesn't qualify and instead goes the JUCO route (or a school with lower academic standards, I suppose), that would open up another spot.
Again, I don't know this to be factual, but that was a rumor around the CPL. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out...
But Reggie Smith is not in the CPL, is he?
Quote from: MU_Iceman on March 23, 2010, 10:18:53 AM
There was a lot of speculation on the other board about whether that meant someone was transferring, a "verbal" being told thanks but no thanks, etc...but then that board turned into a bitch-fest between a few people and strayed from the topic.
I'm glad that doesn't happen here!
Quote from: indeelaw90 on March 23, 2010, 10:55:59 AM
But Reggie Smith is not in the CPL, is he?
No, Thornton is in the SICA. But that doesn't mean that those associated with the CPL don't know what is happening.
Quote from: MU_Iceman on March 23, 2010, 10:18:53 AM
There is talk on another board about a potential "surprise signing" for MU. Apparently the rumor is that it's a 6'10" 250lb post player. Maybe Maurice Walker doesn't like the rumors that Dixon is leaving Pitt or a "big" recruit from one of the other schools who's coach has quit or been fired is planning on making a switch.
So I'll say this here, it is BY NO MEANS FACT, but, there was a buzz (no pun intended) around the Chicago Public League that Reggie Smith may not qualify academically. I hope that isn't the case because I think he has amazing potential, but that said, if he doesn't qualify and instead goes the JUCO route (or a school with lower academic standards, I suppose), that would open up another spot.
Again, I don't know this to be factual, but that was a rumor around the CPL. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out...
To go off what Iceman said, I too heard through someone with bball connections that Marquette is to land a huge recruit sometime in April. I wasn't given any further details, so that could mean a replacement for this class i.e. reggie smith or it could be a 2011 recruit, I really have no idea. All I was told is that it is basically the biggest get for MU in a long time and it most likely is a big.
Again, this could all be hearsay, but I am looking forward to hearing big news in April!
Quote from: Lacrosse218 on March 23, 2010, 11:05:24 AM
All I was told is that it is basically the biggest get for MU in a long time and it most likely is a big.
Again, this could all be hearsay, but I am looking forward to hearing big news in April!
Well if there is any truth to there potentially being one of the biggest gets for MU in a long time, a quick glance at the top unsigned bigs according to ESPN shows a few McD AA type of talents...how sick would it be if Buzz landed one of them:
- Jeremy Tyler - http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=44041&season=2010 - although I'm guessing there are some serious holes to his story if he's as good as ESPN says he is
- CJ Leslie - http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=46148&season=2010
- Luke Cothron - http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=75804&season=2010
- Ricardo Ratliffe - http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=72280&season=2010
- Maurice Walker - http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=44329&season=2010
Again, any truth to this being the "biggest signing" would probably point to a kid like Leslie...which I don't think any of us would be opposed to! That said though, I really like Reggie Smith and would hate to see him as a non-qualifier...it'll be interesting to see how this plays out...
When does spring signing begin, again?
Jeremy Tyler skipped his senior season of HS to play in Israel and just quit the team this past week
Quote from: YoungMUFan4 on March 23, 2010, 11:34:49 AM
Jeremy Tyler skipped his senior season of HS to play in Israel and just quit the team this past week
Niv Berkowitz jokes in 3, 2, 1...
Quote from: MU_Iceman on March 23, 2010, 11:28:05 AM
When does spring signing begin, again?
I believe April 15th?
I remember Buzz saying April 14th the day before tax day.
Looks like April 14th:
Initial Signing Date Final Signing Date
Early Period November 11, 2009 November 18, 2009
Regular Period April 14, 2010 May 19, 2010
I'll put my money on Mo Walker, didn't he have ties with Cadougan somehow??
Leslie and Cothron have a ridiculous amoount of baggage. I doubt either of them are coming to MU.
If people in the basketball program know we will be getting a commitment from someone in April that means that said player has already made his decision and told the program. Why wouldn't he give a verbal now if that is the case?
Quote from: YoungMUFan4 on March 23, 2010, 11:34:49 AM
Jeremy Tyler skipped his senior season of HS to play in Israel and just quit the team this past week
That's right...scratch that, he's already been paid...wonder why ESPN even lists him still...
What kind of baggage are Leslie and Cothron carrying?
Quote from: damuts222 on March 23, 2010, 12:36:03 PM
I'll put my money on Mo Walker, didn't he have ties with Cadougan somehow??
Walker is the one that I wanted this time last year, so I'd be thrilled with his signing...the only tie to Cadougan is that they're both Candadien...beyond that, I don't think there's any connection...
Quote from: wadesworld on March 23, 2010, 12:41:10 PM
If people in the basketball program know we will be getting a commitment from someone in April that means that said player has already made his decision and told the program. Why wouldn't he give a verbal now if that is the case?
I had the same thought. Perhaps, the recruit wanted to at least take the visits that he had promised the schools/coaches before the signing day to either reaffirm his thoughts on commitment or just as a back up in case the offer gets pulled at the last minute.
Quote from: damuts222 on March 23, 2010, 12:36:03 PM
I'll put my money on Mo Walker, didn't he have ties with Cadougan somehow??
I thought they played on the same AAU team at some point, but I'm probably wng there. FWIW, I found multiple articles from around February 22 saying that Walker planned on trimming his list to 5 over the next week. I never found a followup article on it, but within the past week someone posted on Georgetown's forum a quote saying that Walker trimmed his list to Pitt, Georgetown, St. John's, and Seton Hall. There was no link but he was planning to trim his list, his parents have said they wanted him to stay in the BE and in the east, and I'm not sure anybody would just make that list up. So you may want to keep that money in your pocket for now.
Zagoria reports:
Craig Walker [Maurice's father] said the current list for his son includes Seton Hall, Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Marquette and St. John's. He added that South Florida, Oregon State and Memphis have also expressed interest.
"My thoughts are that Maurice will probably stay in the East somewhere," Craig said. "As parents, we'd rather he play in the East side of the country in the Big East. We know we can hop on a plane and be there in an hour."
With regards to actual schools, Walker comments:
"We've always been interseted [sic] in Pitt. They're playing really good basketball right now."
"Georgetown, we've been interested as well. They've show some interest. The coaches from Georgetown have gone up a couple times," he added.
In a scouting report, Rivals states:
At 6-foot-10 and 270-pounds, Walker casts an imposing shadow on the basketball floor. A big man with good hands and solid footwork, Walker has focused on getting in better shape and being more consistent in his time at Brewster.
He is currently ranked #118 in the Class of 2010 and is listed as #12 for centers.
He would be a fine addition to a team desperate for some big bruisers in the paint.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qdPw8CghJE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibKDv00eu0c
Was never on the MU list but Enes Kanter just committed to UK today. Another one and done player with some shady history for Coach Cal. he'll be a good one if he gets through the NCAA eligibility committee.
I know we all want a big but I hope the April surprise is Tokoto.
I would take that in a heartbeat!
I hope there IS an April surprise, lol
I'd wager that it's a JuCo that none of us have heard mentioned before. Buzz seems to take the recruiting path less traveled.
Quote from: radome on March 23, 2010, 04:38:22 PM
I know we all want a big but I hope the April surprise is Tokoto.
That wold be TRULY AWESOME as the rumor was for the recuit to be 6'10" and 250 lbs. To get Tokoto and have Tokoto grow to that size is probably being too greedy though.
I have no idea who the player will be, but based on what's been posted here, and after reading Rosiak's season ending-blog entry below, it leads me to believe there is a VERY REAL chance we sign another player:
"MU will likely hold a news conference once again sometime around the middle of next month to announce its late signees to its 2010-'11 recruiting class. At this point it includes guard D.J. Newbill and forward Jae Crowder, but might well include at least one additional player as well."
Interesting to note when asked abot Yous, Buzz made the following comment: "But he needs to get back on the boat, and as best as we can assimilate that, we need to do it over the next month, six weeks."
I thought this was at the least an ironic statement, or possibly more revealing as to Yous's future with the program - considering 4-6 weeks - is fairly close to April 14th (late signing Day). Not sure why it is so critical that he be assimilated back in the next 4-6 weeks, when we are 7 -8 months from the start of the season. Probably reading way too much into that, but curious to say the least. That said, I really don't see Buzz ever screwing a kid over, but he may be totally honest with a kid (Roseboro/Yous) and tell them that they likely will never play at MU..and if PT is a dream/goal, it maybe best to look elsewhere.
Buzz is a master of words. He knows what words mean, and each word he says is a clue. . .I think we will be surprised in April.
"I really like the guys that we signed. I think they can help us. We've got to sign some more. What position – 'We need a big guy, Buzz. We can't advance without a big guy.' I understand. We need really good players is what we need."
Buzz is always working it...!