Just thinking about recruiting and Marquette...and his name came to mind.
I don't recall hearing or reading any news about any trials or sentencing.
Anyone know?
The guy admitted to rape. Stop wondering about his basketball future. If he has one, it won't be at MU.
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 20, 2010, 11:51:33 PM
The guy admitted to rape. Stop wondering about his basketball future. If he has one, it won't be at MU.
Okay. Thanks. When was the decision released?
Did you read the affidavit? He's not MU material.
Nobody with the athletic dept can publicly comment on an unsigned recruit, so you will never see anything released. We have moved on, you should do the same.
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 21, 2010, 12:04:47 AM
Did you read the affidavit?
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/20091659SexAssaultClarkWA.doc
It sounds like Clark will still be in prison when eligibility would have been used up.
Our past few big man recruits have ended up in the hospital, or one in the slammer! Not very good.
We need some bigs that can play!
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 21, 2010, 12:04:47 AM
Did you read the affidavit? He's not MU material.
Nobody with the athletic dept can publicly comment on an unsigned recruit, so you will never see anything released. We have moved on, you should do the same.
He was just asking, you need to relax!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: schubert33 on March 21, 2010, 12:28:04 PM
He was just asking, you need to relax!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did I insult or attack him? No, I simply responded similarly to how this question has been answered dozens of times over the last 6 months. Some people want to give him the benefit of the doubt because he is 6'10" and athletic. I see him as a violent criminal and don't want him anywhere near the MU campus.
Thanks for your contribution, shubert.
He never said that he wanted him at MU....you just keep insisting that he is not MU material and no one disagrees. All he asked about was whether his case was resolved.
All 3 men were indicted by a grand jury and are free on bond, awaiting trial.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on March 21, 2010, 02:44:23 PM
All 3 men were indicted by a grand jury and are free on bond, awaiting trial.
Eight replies in and someone finally actually replies to the question. Thank you, MU1104.
Echoing thanks back at ya GOMU1104! :)
Did anyone read the affidavit? This guy is a criminal! ;)
Quote from: GoldenSox on March 21, 2010, 08:24:47 PM
Did anyone read the affidavit? This guy is a criminal! ;)
GoldernSox,
I'm not sure how to take your post. Are you saying rape is no big deal? Or are you saying everyone is innocent until proven guilty (even if they admit to a crime in a sworn statement)? Let me guess, you are a public defender.
Either way, your cavalier attitude is embarrassing. ;)
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 21, 2010, 02:16:24 PM
Did I insult or attack him? No, I simply responded similarly to how this question has been answered dozens of times over the last 6 months.
No need to be a giant dick about it though.
and I'm not sure it's been answered dozens of times. 77ncaachamps was the first person that asked about it, at least that I've read
I guess I'm still cranky from Thurs. :-*
The second stage of the Kubler Ross model is anger. Bargaining and Depression to come.
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 21, 2010, 08:36:13 PM
GoldernSox,
I'm not sure how to take your post. Are you saying rape is no big deal? Or are you saying everyone is innocent until proven guilty (even if they admit to a crime in a sworn statement)? Let me guess, you are a public defender.
Either way, your cavalier attitude is embarrassing. ;)
Why the cheap shot at public defenders?
Is it your position that everyone is entitled to their constitutional right to defend themselves in court ... unless they're poor?
Or that the (often overworked and underpaid) people who provide said constitutional rights are lesser citizens because of it?
(In the interest of full disclosure, I am not a public defender ... but think those that have a beef with them are dopes who fail who understand our system of justice, which relies upon public defenders to function.)
p.s. That was not Monterale Clark's sworn affidavit. It was the affidavit of the cop that arrested him. I don't know what Clark did or didn't do, but given the incident, I'm happy he's not coming to Marquette. At the same time, I've been around the legal system enough to know that an affidavit from a cop isn't always the most reliable document on the planet. Defendants and lawyers aren't the only members of the criminal justice system who twist things to suit their agendas.
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 21, 2010, 08:41:47 PM
I guess I'm still cranky from Thurs. :-*
Guess so, thats quite a hangover. I don't think Clark is completely innocent, but this wasn't even his statement, this was a cop's statement. From the affadavit, it doesn't sound like Clark admitted half of what he was accused of. Chill out, this isn't a court of law clarence darrow, it was a curious inquiry.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2010, 11:35:01 PM
Why the cheap shot at public defenders?
Is it your position that everyone is entitled to their constitutional right to defend themselves in court ... unless they're poor?
Or that the (often overworked and underpaid) people who provide said constitutional rights are lesser citizens because of it?
(In the interest of full disclosure, I am not a public defender ... but think those that have a beef with them are dopes who fail who understand our system of justice, which relies upon public defenders to function.)
p.s. That was not Monterale Clark's sworn affidavit. It was the affidavit of the cop that arrested him. I don't know what Clark did or didn't do, but given the incident, I'm happy he's not coming to Marquette. At the same time, I've been around the legal system enough to know that an affidavit from a cop isn't always the most reliable document on the planet. Defendants and lawyers aren't the only members of the criminal justice system who twist things to suit their agendas.
I'm gonna agree with you on the public defender part. That's the toughest job in America, you're overstaffed, underpaid, never thanked, and a lot of the time you have to defend people you know are guilty. But someone HAS to do it. Our legal system would grind to a halt without public defenders, and they should be applauded for doing such an awful, thankless job.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2010, 11:35:01 PM
Why the cheap shot at public defenders?
Is it your position that everyone is entitled to their constitutional right to defend themselves in court ... unless they're poor?
Or that the (often overworked and underpaid) people who provide said constitutional rights are lesser citizens because of it?
(In the interest of full disclosure, I am not a public defender ... but think those that have a beef with them are dopes who fail who understand our system of justice, which relies upon public defenders to function.)
p.s. That was not Monterale Clark's sworn affidavit. It was the affidavit of the cop that arrested him. I don't know what Clark did or didn't do, but given the incident, I'm happy he's not coming to Marquette. At the same time, I've been around the legal system enough to know that an affidavit from a cop isn't always the most reliable document on the planet. Defendants and lawyers aren't the only members of the criminal justice system who twist things to suit their agendas.
No, I am not saying that only the rich are entitled to their constitutional right to defend themselves. In fact, I made no reference to Clark's socio-economic status whatsoever. I did say he loses the benefit of the doubt when he makes a false statement, retracts his lie, and ultimately admits to a VERY SERIOUS crime. We're not talking about stolen cell phones or laptops here.
I am not sure why everyone is so quick to run to the guy's defense. He should be behind bars, not running up and down Al McGuire's Court. Are you people that desperate for a Big Guy? And please don't tell me the OP's wonderment about recruiting and his curiousity about Clark's legal status were purely coincidental. We need to stop pining for this guy and get some perspective!
As for public defenders... Never mind, I already have one ax to grind with government control of health care. This country is in trouble. :-[
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 22, 2010, 04:02:39 AM
No, I am not saying that only the rich are entitled to their constitutional right to defend themselves. In fact, I made no reference to Clark's socio-economic status whatsoever. I did say he loses the benefit of the doubt when he makes a false statement, retracts his lie, and ultimately admits to a VERY SERIOUS crime. We're not talking about stolen cell phones or laptops here.
I am not sure why everyone is so quick to run to the guy's defense. He should be behind bars, not running up and down Al McGuire's Court. Are you people that desperate for a Big Guy?
Pakuni specifically said that he doesn't want Clark at MU.
Wow, I don't want you on my jury. The presumption of innocence even belongs to Monterale Clark. He hasn't been tried anywhere yet, except apparently by you. No one is saying to put him on the team.
And if you're against public defenders, I suggest you reread the Bill of Rights. Or perhaps read it for the first time.
Quote from: 94Warrior on March 22, 2010, 04:02:39 AM
I am not sure why everyone is so quick to run to the guy's defense. He should be behind bars, not running up and down Al McGuire's Court. Are you people that desperate for a Big Guy? And please don't tell me the OP's wonderment about recruiting and his curiousity about Clark's legal status were purely coincidental. We need to stop pining for this guy and get some perspective!
I didn't see anyone running to his defense. I read a post where someone asked what had become of the situation. He made no mention of wanting Clark to play for Marquette. True, the wonderment likely was not coincidental considering he was thinking about MU's recruiting and Clark is a former MU recruit. If I said that I was thinking about players who transferred from MU and then asked what happened to Matt Mortensen, would that mean I wanted him back on the team?
Based on your other posts, it's fitting that you declared the original poster guilty of wanting Clark on the team without having enough evidence and without giving him a fair trial :)
Sure, I wish a big-time big man without problems would come to campus, but I'm not down on going with Otule and Mbao.
I believe the most blocked shots we've had this decade was 43 by Dwyane Wade, and I believe all that was missing from wins against Stanford, Missouri and Washington was the threat of a blocked shot so that opponents would have to think twice before driving, and alter their shots.
When McIlvaine blocked 142 shots in 1994, opponents hit only 35% of their field goals TOTAL. We won't get that again, but Otule blocked a shot every five minutes (5 in 25 minutes), and Mbao blocked 5 in 60 minutes. So basically, they had just over two full games between them and blocked 10 shots. I know that's a small sample, but I am really excited that Buzz will have the option of a shot blocker so that opponents don't hit over half of their two pointers against us.
With all the studs we will have scoring, I'll take my chances with 4 unstoppable guys on offense even if our center just sits back on defense and denies the rim.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on March 22, 2010, 10:44:15 AM
Sure, I wish a big-time big man without problems would come to campus, but I'm not down on going with Otule and Mbao.
I believe the most blocked shots we've had this decade was 43 by Dwyane Wade, and I believe all that was missing from wins against Stanford, Missouri and Washington was the threat of a blocked shot so that opponents would have to think twice before driving, and alter their shots.
When McIlvaine blocked 142 shots in 1994, opponents hit only 35% of their field goals TOTAL. We won't get that again, but Otule blocked a shot every five minutes (5 in 25 minutes), and Mbao blocked 5 in 60 minutes. So basically, they had just over two full games between them and blocked 10 shots. I know that's a small sample, but I am really excited that Buzz will have the option of a shot blocker so that opponents don't hit over half of their two pointers against us.
With all the studs we will have scoring, I'll take my chances with 4 unstoppable guys on offense even if our center just sits back on defense and denies the rim.
Once Erik Williams gets his head wrapped around defensive rotations, I have no doubt (from what I've seen of his athleticism) that he could be a shot-blocking threat.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on March 22, 2010, 10:44:15 AM
Sure, I wish a big-time big man without problems would come to campus, but I'm not down on going with Otule and Mbao.
Don't give up on either yet...especially Otule. Here is an article on Jeff Foote at Cornell. D3 coaches weren't making him offers, yet I would gladly have him at MU.
http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2010/03/jeff_foote_is_hub_of_humming_c.html
College big men need time to develop.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 22, 2010, 10:53:55 AM
Don't give up on either yet...especially Otule. Here is an article on Jeff Foote at Cornell. D3 coaches weren't making him offers, yet I would gladly have him at MU.
http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2010/03/jeff_foote_is_hub_of_humming_c.html
College big men need time to develop.
Yep.
People should consider where Amal McCaskill was at this stage of his career before ruling out the possibility that Otule (or Mbao, for that matter) can be productive, effective players over the next three seasons.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 22, 2010, 01:05:32 PM
Yep.
People should consider where Amal McCaskill was at this stage of his career before ruling out the possibility that Otule (or Mbao, for that matter) can be productive, effective players over the next three seasons.
And the fact that McCaskill is still playing 116 years after he graduated.
um, slightly off topic...
this was a comment on the recent Rosiak blog "buzz wraps up the season"...
"Contrary what a lot of you may believe, 6'10 F/C Monterale Clark is still coming to Marquette. " - GOMU85
anyone know who the user is that posted it? or have any idea or source of what he/she is talking about?
I saw that too. It seemed odd...!
Really hope that guy is just talking out of his abe.
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2010, 08:55:38 PM
Really hope that guy is just talking out of his abe.
ha. wasn't sure (obviously) what he was talking about.. and more posted it so the "in the know" scoopers might see it and have more of an idea than me. just curious.
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2010, 08:55:38 PM
Really hope that guy is just talking out of his abe.
LOL... yeah that's got Abe or someone similar written all over it.
Assuming it is someone like that... I find it terribly sad that there are posters who fraudulently pretend to be an alumn/supporter of a program and post things to discredit said program. The combination of dishonesty and pathetic waste of time it is... you can only shake your head. :(
That guy who posted about Monterale coming either 1) is a Rodent fan messing with MU minds or 2) knows something we don't know.
God I hope it's the former because the latter will just be a nasty lightning rod for the program.
Quote from: socrplar125 on March 23, 2010, 08:29:34 PM
um, slightly off topic...
this was a comment on the recent Rosiak blog "buzz wraps up the season"...
"Contrary what a lot of you may believe, 6'10 F/C Monterale Clark is still coming to Marquette. " - GOMU85
anyone know who the user is that posted it? or have any idea or source of what he/she is talking about?
I read Rosiak's blog all the time and frequently read the comments just for kicks. I don't recall ever seeing anyone named "GOMU85" on the blog... seems like the blog equivalent of a "drive-by" to me.
In any event, I wouldn't put too much stock into a random comment anywhere in the blogosphere, especially one that flies in the face of conventional wisdom. Heck, I would be willing to bet my kids' college fund that Clark won't ever see the MU campus in-person again.
Quote from: Benny B on March 24, 2010, 09:47:52 AM
I read Rosiak's blog all the time and frequently read the comments just for kicks. I don't recall ever seeing anyone named "GOMU85" on the blog... seems like the blog equivalent of a "drive-by" to me.
In any event, I wouldn't put too much stock into a random comment anywhere in the blogosphere, especially one that flies in the face of conventional wisdom. Heck, I would be willing to bet my kids' college fund that Clark won't ever see the MU campus in-person again.
My thoughts exactly.
EDIT: Except I let myself get sucked into commenting