As hard as it is to get over last night's loss, I can't help but try to look forward to next year. Given the incredible year that Cooby and Mo had in terms of handling the ball and shooting, it will be interesting to see how it plays out with a young backcourt next year. My guess is expectations will be higher than they were going into this year b/c of the depth, size (at guard) and the caliber of the recruits, but I think that may overlook the value of experience that Mo, Cooby and Lazar brought to the table.
I suspect next year will be a mix of flashes of incredible ability and signs of greatness with maddening inconsistency, mental lapses and turnovers. That doesn't mean the new guys won't be great, but it is a process. After the surprising play this year, I wonder if we all will have a more difficult time keeping expectations in check for the new crew.
The current crew and those of the last several years have set a high standard in terms of playing their butts off and the way they represent MU. I hope the new guys can carry on that tradition.
When you throw in how well we played this year, with the exceptional recruiting class coming in, I think expectations may be a little high come August/September when people start thinking about the league.
That said, I have a feeling we'll be around 8-10 next year pre-season...and that may be too high considering the backcourt control we're losing.
Good questions. I personally expect Fulce, Byucks and Butler to step up the same way Mo and Cooby did. Obviously replacing Lazar is the tough one, but Blue, Jones, Crowder, and Cadougan will give us a look and depth that we didn't have this year either. Honestly it all depends on how the rest of the teams in the Big East are projected to do. I think the results will be very similar to this year, with MU being bubble team until the end. The year after we could be really really good and a solid top 15 team (3-4 seed in the tourney).
We also had a bit of an easy schedule this year. If you look at the schedule we played, most of our tough games were at home in conference.
Syracuse - Away
WVU - A
Villanova - H&A
Pitt - H
Louisville - H
Georgetown - H
Notre Dame - H
South Florida - H
Seton Hall - A
Cincinnati - A
St. Johns - A
Rutgers - A
Providence - H&A
De Paul - H&A
Basically, against the top 8 teams, we had a 6-3 home away ratio. 3-6 with the bottom seven. That was very beneficial for us. Who knows what it'll be next year?
On the bright side, I think our current coach is good at player development. Hopefully a few (Junior, Erik, one more) will step up like Hayawrd, Butler, Cubillan, Acker did from the previous year.
If Buzz can do what he did this year in the off season, I like our chances. Right now I only see two scoring threats, Jimmy (if not playing like yesterday) and DJO. I havent seen Vander play or really any of the new guys. We'll be young, and doubted, something that doesnt change. But, you see, here at Marquette we tend to prove people wrong. God, I'm gunna miss Zar.
My greatest concern right now with next year is the absolute disappearance of Jimmy Butler of the cousre of the last 5 games.
We will miss maturity in the back court but we will be more talented. As much as i love Cooby the argument can be made he was still the worst starting 2g in the conference. Mo did a great job running the team but was vastly deficient in other areas especially the defensive side. Mo and Cooby avergaed about 14 points a game combined. And while cooby had bright spots on D at times they combined gave up way more than that.
I think we'll see a very similar season to this year. DJO and Butler will need to carry the load and need to be big presences on floor. They can't afford to disappear. Buycks, Blue, and Caduogan will need to fill in strongly. Fulce and Otule need to be competent down low. A lot more options and depth next year and a ton of upside. I'm glad I trust our coach.
I'll set the goal as a 6th consecutive NCAA appearance.
We will miss Zar and experience but i think we should be much better rebounding with Otule and Crowder especially
I think next year will be the rebuilding year, that being said, hopefully we can do it on the fly again like this year but think about it. This year was supposed to be the year a new back court got experience, but Mo and Coobie played so well and the injuries to Jr kept that from happening as much as we expected. Add in the injury to Otule and some of the pieces we needed to get experience just didn't have the opportunity to do so. I think agree we will be the 8-10 part of the conference next year. Other than Jimmy struggling at the end of the year you have to be excited for the second half of the season next year. We will obviously have to deal with some rebuilding and youth issues early on but I think the DJO and DB got enough experience to help the new guards develop.
Next year's team will be rebuilding. Yes, the overall talent is much improved, but still isn't the go to big man. Or, more importantly, we don't have the dominant rebounder or frontcourt eraser to correct defensive mistakes. Unfortunately, I don't see any senior leadership either. No one has been in the program long enough. For that, the blame lies squarely with Crean. Buzz is on the right track. Just needs 2 more solid recruiting classes and more flexibility with his roster.
While we will not be as decimated as last year we still will be losing 48% of our minutes played, 46% of our points and 33% of our rebounds. There are many quality teams who will be returning much more. As a result I believe those who say we start out the year ranked in the top 15 are in for a disappointment. That said we now have a coach is considered much more of a known commodity. I would expect us to start the year just outside the top 25. I think we will be picked to finish in the top half of the BE (better than 12th but maybe not even 5th)
For those who said we were a young team last year (which wasn't completely true, new but not young) we will rely on freshman more next year.
My expectations would be NCAA. With another solid recruiting class and depending on how next year's version goes the bigger hype is probably another year away. Enjoy the ride.
There's no chance MU is ranked in the top 10-15 to start next year. As NAA pointed out, we just lost 48% of our minutes played, 46% of our points. Yeah, it's a highly touted group of kids coming in, but completely untested.
The idea that next year will or will not be "rebuilding" .. that assumes the year prior "built" something, specifically, freshman-juniors who come back and contribute. We've got 4 guys that fit that mold, ranging from instant starters in DJO and JButler .. to a couple of role players who will get more time.
So I'd say .. yep, we're rebuilding next year.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 19, 2010, 11:30:45 AM
While we will not be as decimated as last year we still will be losing 48% of our minutes played, 46% of our points and 33% of our rebounds. There are many quality teams who will be returning much more. As a result I believe those who say we start out the year ranked in the top 15 are in for a disappointment. That said we now have a coach is considered much more of a known commodity. I would expect us to start the year just outside the top 25. I think we will be picked to finish in the top half of the BE (better than 12th but maybe not even 5th)
For those who said we were a young team last year (which wasn't completely true, new but not young) we will rely on freshman more next year.
My expectations would be NCAA. With another solid recruiting class and depending on how next year's version goes the bigger hype is probably another year away. Enjoy the ride.
I think people are saying preseason top 10 in the Big East. I can't imagine anyone thinking preseason top 15 nationaly. I wouldn't be surprised if we hang around just outside the top 25 for a while next year though.
I think we will be worse off next year than this year. DJO and Butler will have to be the offensive focal points, yet we have a lot of unknowns. We have plenty of freshman coming in in Blue, Jones, Smith, and Newbill. Additionally Otule hasn't really played much for us and Mbao I don't see getting quality minutes until his junior year, if that.
Guard play is what takes you deep in the tourney as was highlighted yesterday with Georgetown and Vandy having bigs but their guards were outplayed.
Having more depth would have helped tremendously, seeing that Butler and Hayward played defense 60% of the time due to foul trouble or worrying about fouling. All that being said, it is hard to prognosticate given that several of the bottom feeders may lose/gain recruits due to coaching changes, as well as the top teams losing players. Plus, as was noted earlier what will our schedule look like.
If we somehow can take out Jim Burr, that should be good for an additional 4-5 victories.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on March 19, 2010, 10:12:54 AM
My greatest concern right now with next year is the absolute disappearance of Jimmy Butler of the cousre of the last 5 games.
We will miss maturity in the back court but we will be more talented. As much as i love Cooby the argument can be made he was still the worst starting 2g in the conference. Mo did a great job running the team but was vastly deficient in other areas especially the defensive side. Mo and Cooby avergaed about 14 points a game combined. And while cooby had bright spots on D at times they combined gave up way more than that.
Whaddya' think? Did JB just get worn down?
Maybe he just listened to Miley Cyrus too often or read too many children's books.
I'm just guessing, but I would think that blow to the face had some impact on Butler. For a while, he played the first half with one nostril plugged to stem the bleeding. That first half was as up-and-down as I've seen this year. Perhaps that helped to wind him, as did having to play against the explosive Pondexter. Maybe I see things differently, but I don't think Butler was as AWFUL as many seem to suggest. Winded yes, but not awful.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 19, 2010, 09:45:50 AM
We also had a bit of an easy schedule this year. If you look at the schedule we played, most of our tough games were at home in conference.
Syracuse - Away
WVU - A
Villanova - H&A
Pitt - H
Louisville - H
Georgetown - H
Notre Dame - H
South Florida - H
Seton Hall - A
Cincinnati - A
St. Johns - A
Rutgers - A
Providence - H&A
De Paul - H&A
Basically, against the top 8 teams, we had a 6-3 home away ratio. 3-6 with the bottom seven. That was very beneficial for us. Who knows what it'll be next year?
I'll try.
We'll be on the road at ND, either as part of a mirror series, or as a single game.
Exluding this year's mirrors games (DePaul, Providence, Villanova)...here's what it may look like
Away
Notre Dame
Louisville
Rutgers
Depaul (We've never NOT had DePaul as a mirror game since joining the Big East, IIRC)
Georgetown
Pittsburgh
USF
Home
Seton Hall
Cincinnati
West Virginia
Syracuse
Connecticut
St. John's
Unsure
Providence, Villanova
Quote from: BrewCity on March 19, 2010, 12:13:45 PM
If we somehow can take out Jim Burr, that should be good for an additional 4-5 victories.
And yet if Jim Burr was reffing our game last night, we might have had a few more calls go our way.
Quote from: mufanatic on March 19, 2010, 01:20:45 PM
And yet if Jim Burr was reffing our game last night, we might have had a few more calls go our way.
Ha! Doubt it.
On second thought, you may be on to something...
Two keys are replacing Hayward and the uncertainty at the PG position.
Can Crowder and maybe a new recruit come in and get the boards that Hayward provided. Butler should maintain his points, but do not see him upgrading his rebound totals. He is very soft, but good offensively. Hayward averaged what, 18 and 8? With Otule as a project, that will be very hard to replace along with Hayward's leadership and making some very key baskets during the season.
Can Buycks or JC provide the stability required at such an important position? I don't believe JC even made a basket this year in his limited time. That will be interesting next fall.
Unless a big PF comes on board somehow, I believe it will be a rebuilding year and don't forsee the success we had this year. Hoping I am wrong though.
Goal for me with MU almost every year simply will not be just to make the tournament. This year was an exception for most of the year, but that even changed as the year went along, and the wins over UL and 'nova raised my goals to a 1st-round win.
I haven't read this entire thread word for word, but I'm not seeing rebuilding here. Despite how much Acker and Cubillan overachieved this year, improved play from DJO and Buycks, a healthy Cadougan, and Blue, Jones, Smith and Newbill gives MU IMHO a potentially better backcourt. And despite the huge loss of Hayward, improvement from Butler, Fulce, Williams and Mbao, a healthy Otule and Crowder gives MU much more depth in the front court.
A few more wins overall, another win in the BE regular season and another win or two in the tournament, certainly seem within reach to me a year from now. No reason MU IMHO can't win something like 25 games instead of 22 next year.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 19, 2010, 11:18:47 AM
Next year's team will be rebuilding. Yes, the overall talent is much improved, but still isn't the go to big man. Or, more importantly, we don't have the dominant rebounder or frontcourt eraser to correct defensive mistakes. Unfortunately, I don't see any senior leadership either. No one has been in the program long enough. For that, the blame lies squarely with Crean. Buzz is on the right track. Just needs 2 more solid recruiting classes and more flexibility with his roster.
Your point on senior leadership is spot-on....that's my biggest concern with the team next season. This year's seniors clearly relished the leadership role for the program and as 4-year players in the program there was a natural progression. Next year, who knows
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 19, 2010, 11:42:03 AM
The idea that next year will or will not be "rebuilding" .. that assumes the year prior "built" something, specifically, freshman-juniors who come back and contribute. We've got 4 guys that fit that mold, ranging from instant starters in DJO and JButler .. to a couple of role players who will get more time.
So I'd say .. yep, we're rebuilding next year.
By that logic -- replacing huge fractions of minutes played and points scored -- didn't MU just complete a rebuilding year? This year MU successfully replaced 66% of its scoring, 49% of its rebounding, and 60% of its minutes played (and no I didn't count Pat Hazel's numbers in those calculations ;D )
Quote from: NYWarrior on March 19, 2010, 03:18:57 PM
Your point on senior leadership is spot-on....that's my biggest concern with the team next season. This year's seniors clearly relished the leadership role for the program and as 4-year players in the program there was a natural progression. Next year, who knows
I don't think that Acker's progression was that of a natural 4 year player (transfer) and DC had two shoulder injuries. Butler and Fulce played a lot of minutes at a level that while not big east caliber is still better than high school their freshman years. I don't understand why anyone would doubt their ability to show a typical JR to SR progression. They will have their 3rd year in buzz's system and don't forget that one of the reasons that a 4th year player takes a step forward is because they are 22. They still have the same number of years in a weight program.
If Otule is still looking like a project next year than he'll probably always be one. Hopefully DJO dramatically improves on D. And finally the guy everyone is sleeping on, EWill. He'll be a big time player next year and will get more time at the 5 than Yous and possibly Otule.
I think we are slightly worse than this year and are holding our breath on selection sunday.
Put simply, our entire roster needs to improve- period. That fact doesn't scare me though...
Jimmy and DJO need to lead, both on the court and off. We need more consistency with them, but I think we can get it. My prediction- about the same record, maybe a couple more wins. Here's why:
-I think the 2010-11 version of Byucks can be a better asset than Cubi. Needs to play better D, but I think in a bigger role he'll be more assertive- take more shots and slash to the basket. He's capable of scoring, but I think he was a little intimidated as a role player this year- didn't try to score enough.
- Barring any health issues, I think Otule will give us a huge lift- maybe not in points, but he will give us some paint touches on offense, which Buzz always talks about, and a legitimate presence on defense. I don't think he's a GREAT defender right now but he means more than just 5 fouls and looking lost on D (he has some idea of what he needs to do). He should be able to give us a better rebounding edge. He'll also allow guys like Jimmy and Fulce to be guarded by people who play their same position, as opposed to the other team's big guy- so they will hopefully be able to make more plays.
-Outside of DJO, Byucks, and Jimmy, there's at least one pleasant surprise somewhere. Buzz/Todd's offseason program will produce some capable players. I don't see Fulce being more than a solid bench player, but EWill could make a big jump from yr1 to yr2 if he gets some understanding of team defense. Defense is the main reason he wasn't on the floor this year.
-I also think people are much too hard on Junior after what he went through as a Freshman. What we saw this year was what we would have seen vs. MSOE, Grambling, South Dakota, and the Old Spice Games had he been healthy. The practice and game experience he missed was invaluable to a true freshman. I'm not saying he'll be a stud, but I think the criticism is premature.
- I'm not sure about Vander. The WI competition makes it hard to get a good prediction of what he'll accomplish right away in the BE. I agree with those who have him as a solid contributor at the end of the year. I doubt he'll crack the starting lineup though.
Overall, we'll be bigger and deeper- basically the roots of all our problems this year. That's why I say we're about the same. Hopefully the depth can make us a bigger threat in March. This program desperately needs a sweet 16. OK, let the bashing begin- what am I right/wrong about?
| Your point on senior leadership is spot-on....that's my biggest concern with the team next season. This year's seniors clearly relished the leadership role for the program and as 4-year players in the program there was a natural progression. Next year, who knows |
This is a bigger concern than height to me.
| I think we are slightly worse than this year and are holding our breath on selection sunday. |
Not with a 96 team tourney! ;)
Damn right about sweet 16 but I do think Vander will start. I think that Buzz is thankful enought he chose MU and with the amount of props he's getting as a HS kid I think he can start. As we know Buzz, it all comes down to practice.
Take this with a grain of salt because I have only seen highlights of Blue on YouTube. Buy he seems to have the "it" factor that is so key for a lot of players. He seems to have court savvy and a lot of confidence to go along with his talent. I am very excited to see him develop next year.
He comes in as the third option at best so there is no pressure on him. He can fit right into the flow of the offense and learn his defensive role with DJO probably guarding the other team's best player.
He also guards one of the best scoring guard he will face all year every day in practice in DJO.
The problem with youtube is that it makes just about every h.s. player look like the next Michael Jordan. How does Vander Blue compare to the other freshmen coming into the BE next year? According to Scout, Syracuse, Louisville, and UConn have one or more players that are as good or better than him. It's just all relative.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 19, 2010, 10:44:58 AM
We will miss Zar and experience but i think we should be much better rebounding with Otule and Crowder especially
Zar passed the leadership onto Butler & DJO. Buycks, fulce and Otule will also step up.