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I say yes, but Im starting to get nervous!

No is unrealistic.

Illinois and UConn are still somehow in the hunt.  We have a better resume then both of those schools and several others who are trying to get in.

UConn should not be in any kind of consideration. They finished 12th in the conference, 15 losses, and rolled over like dogs to a (maybe) average St. Johns team.
If UConn gets in, there needs to be an official investigation into a bribe.
Who cares who they beat? Did East Carolina deserve a bid in 2003 just because they beat us once? Give me a break.

if not us...then who?

what the hell does St. Marys have to do with anything?

I think a lot of freak things would need to happen for MU to not get in.  I think at least 4 of the automatic bids would have to go to teams that had no shot of making the tournament before.

Do you even watch basketball? Are you even a fan? You realize that we have like a 11 team cushion right? You realize St. Mary's was in regardless right? You realize that the only tourney left that can really "steal" a bid is C-USA right?


for sake of discussion.........Butler, Old Dominion, Northern Iowa, Siena.

Quote from: chitownwomanizer on March 09, 2010, 11:45:11 PM
The womanizer is no stranger to the hardwood, his hardwood, or her hardwood

you're either really funny or really dumb.  I'll give you the benefit of doubt and guess at the former.

Quote from: RawdogDX on March 09, 2010, 11:50:47 PM
you're either really funny or really dumb.  I'll give you the benefit of doubt and guess at the former.

RawdogDX you are much too nice.  Anyone with the moniker "chitownwomanizer" is a meatball!

This is like asking if Louisville or Georgetown are in.  Yes, we're in. Case closed.  Done.  Doesn't matter what happens tomorrow, Marquette is in the NCAA tournament.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 09, 2010, 11:59:27 PM
This is like asking if Louisville or Georgetown are in.  Yes, we're in. Case closed.  Done.  Doesn't matter what happens tomorrow, Marquette is in the NCAA tournament.

Unless we're blown out...right?

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 10, 2010, 12:16:54 AM
Unless we're blown out...right?

Even if we're blown out, we're in.  11-7 in the Big East with a bubble this soft, MU is in no matter what happens tomorrow.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 10, 2010, 12:28:48 AM
Even if we're blown out, we're in.  11-7 in the Big East with a bubble this soft, MU is in no matter what happens tomorrow.

I hope you haven't jinxed us.  :-\

The only we don't make it is if all the favorites in this weeks conference tourneys get upset.

Seton Hall, Cincy, St. Johns, or South Florida winning the Big East
Northwestern, Minnesota, Illinois winning the Big 10
Colorado winning the Big 12
Georgia winning the SEC
North Carolina winning the ACC
TCU winning CUSA

Even if all of this happens, still find it hard to believe we wouldn't go dancing.

Either we are in or history is made. 

Are we a single digit seed if we lose is the real question given the strength of other teams right now.  To think we have any chance of not being in means you're braindead.  St. Mary's?  They were going to be in as a 10 or 11, now they're in as a 9 or 10.  No change to our status. 

Dumb poll.  Dumb post. Dumb.

Marquette's in the tournament.  No doubt about it.  Even with a loss today.

St. Mary's was likely in before they even beat Gonzaga.

How many people are going to ask this? MU is in, and its not close.

 The bubble that ESPN posts is total bull$hit. I understand that what the sites posts are opinions only but look at several other sites (Yahoo, etc.) that have us as an 8 or 9 currently. Please tell me how losing to St. Johns will drop us out of the tournament?? Of course were in.

Enough of the conference tournaments have been played with no teams making
the dance that weren't already getting in (outside of the smaller conferences). ESPN just likes to get their jollies off so people will watch the tournaments on ESPN prior to the dance. I am savoring the CBS coverage of the dance until ESPN receives it and destroys it.

Quote from: damuts222 on March 10, 2010, 08:36:24 AM
The bubble that ESPN posts is total bull$hit. I understand that what the sites posts are opinions only but look at several other sites (Yahoo, etc.) that have us as an 8 or 9 currently. Please tell me how losing to St. Johns will drop us out of the tournament?? Of course were in.

Enough of the conference tournaments have been played with no teams making
the dance that weren't already getting in (outside of the smaller conferences). ESPN just likes to get their jollies off so people will watch the tournaments on ESPN prior to the dance. I am savoring the CBS coverage of the dance until ESPN receives it and destroys it.

I'm not sure if I overheard this or read it somewhere, but ESPN is behind expanding the tourney.  Gee, I wonder why.  

QuoteI'm not sure if I overheard this or read it somewhere, but ESPN is behind expanding the tourney.  Gee, I wonder why.

I happened to catch PTI yesterday and they had Jay Wright on and asked him his opinion on expanding the tournament and he said he was for it. His explanation was something along the lines that over the past couple of seasons 40 or so teams have been added to Division I basketball, which allows a smaller percentage of teams into the tournament.

Kornheiser then said to Wright that isn't it true that coaches want to expand the tournament so that they make the tournament every year, since your season is viewed as a failure if you do not make it? Of course Wright didn't answer the question.

Yes, more teams have been added to Division I but how many of those teams have made the tournament?? Question for anyone, I will do research

So 40 institutions have added D1 basketball and we want to add 32 to the tourny?  Makes no sense.  I would consider adding 7 teams so that their would be a total of 8 play-in games with the winners facing 1st and 2nd seeded teams.  Those would still be slam dunk wins for the number 1 seeds but the 2 seeds could possibly have tougher matcups and we could get a rare upset.

Quote from: damuts222 on March 10, 2010, 08:59:38 AM


I happened to catch PTI yesterday and they had Jay Wright on and asked him his opinion on expanding the tournament and he said he was for it. His explanation was something along the lines that over the past couple of seasons 40 or so teams have been added to Division I basketball, which allows a smaller percentage of teams into the tournament.

Kornheiser then said to Wright that isn't it true that coaches want to expand the tournament so that they make the tournament every year, since your season is viewed as a failure if you do not make it? Of course Wright didn't answer the question.

Yes, more teams have been added to Division I but how many of those teams have made the tournament?? Question for anyone, I will do research

One of the reasons I've turned to adding more teams to the tournament isn't so much that there are more D1 teams as that there seem to be more conferences and thus automatic bids. 20 or so teams in the tournament every year are probably not in the best 65 teams in basketball, which is what I think the tournament should be. Some teams are dancing merely because they won their conference, not because they play consistently quality basketball.

QuoteKornheiser then said to Wright that isn't it true that coaches want to expand the tournament so that they make the tournament every year, since your season is viewed as a failure if you do not make it? Of course Wright didn't answer the question.

I dont think this is as devious as it sounds though. If more teams get in, not getting in looks even worse.  Fans of power programs won't be happy with bubble berths (see Gillespie, Billy)  In the long run, I don't think it helps the employment positions of coaches of the top 40 programs in the country very much. Its more likely to help the Wichita States of the world who seem to be perennially on the bubble, or cyclical programs like Cincinnati or Washington, etc.

 Ok, so unfortunately my source for this is Wikipedia. The following is a list of teams that have been added to Division I basketball since 2000.

Alabama A&M
Albany (N.Y.)
Belmont
Binghamton
Elon
Gardner-Webb
High Point
Lipscomb
Longwood
North Dakota State
Northern Colorado
Oakland
Sacred Heart
South Dakota State
Stony Brook
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi
UC Davis
UC Riverside
Utah Valley

Without looking I think Oakland made the tourney 2 years ago or something. Yet Wright related college basketball to college football in that 50% of the teams in college basketball make it to a bowl game. Yea they do but alot of the games aren't watched, and involved 6-6 Notre Dame teams, how is that rewarding a team for a successful season. ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY!

Quote from: warrior07 on March 10, 2010, 09:14:51 AM
One of the reasons I've turned to adding more teams to the tournament isn't so much that there are more D1 teams as that there seem to be more conferences and thus automatic bids. 20 or so teams in the tournament every year are probably not in the best 65 teams in basketball, which is what I think the tournament should be. Some teams are dancing merely because they won their conference, not because they play consistently quality basketball.

Yea but you can't cheapen the regular season to the point that a lot games don't matter anymore.  If you want the best teams in the country to play in an end of year Championship tourny then get rid of automatic bids all together and take the best 64.  This is obviously all about money for the networks and universities and job security for the coaches hence the support but there is a fine line to walk so that the tourny doesn't become less of a spectacle.

Quote from: damuts222 on March 10, 2010, 09:22:25 AM
Ok, so unfortunately my source for this is Wikipedia. The following is a list of teams that have been added to Division I basketball since 2000.

Alabama A&M
Albany (N.Y.)
Belmont
Binghamton
Elon
Gardner-Webb
High Point
Lipscomb
Longwood
North Dakota State
Northern Colorado
Oakland
Sacred Heart
South Dakota State
Stony Brook
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi
UC Davis
UC Riverside
Utah Valley

Without looking I think Oakland made the tourney 2 years ago or something. Yet Wright related college basketball to college football in that 50% of the teams in college basketball make it to a bowl game. Yea they do but alot of the games aren't watched, and involved 6-6 Notre Dame teams, how is that rewarding a team for a successful season. ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY!

ND St. made the tourney.

also, its depressing how many of those teams we have played.

Quote from: warrior07 on March 10, 2010, 09:14:51 AM
One of the reasons I've turned to adding more teams to the tournament isn't so much that there are more D1 teams as that there seem to be more conferences and thus automatic bids. 20 or so teams in the tournament every year are probably not in the best 65 teams in basketball, which is what I think the tournament should be. Some teams are dancing merely because they won their conference, not because they play consistently quality basketball.

I do not believe that there are any more conferences with auto bids than there used to be.  The only new conference is the Great West, but they don't have an auto bid.

The reason we have a play in game is because of the breakup of the WAC and the Mountain West.  The compromise over who got the auto bid was solved with the addition of th play in game.

Quote from: mu77vegas on March 09, 2010, 11:56:29 PM
RawdogDX you are much too nice.  Anyone with the moniker "chitownwomanizer" is a meatball!

You mean he went to summer camp with Bill Murray?  No wonder he is hilarious.

and please call me Raw.

Quote from: damuts222 on March 10, 2010, 09:22:25 AM
Ok, so unfortunately my source for this is Wikipedia.

HIJACK

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html (http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html)

/HIJACK

Quote from: damuts222 on March 10, 2010, 09:22:25 AM
Ok, so unfortunately my source for this is Wikipedia. The following is a list of teams that have been added to Division I basketball since 2000.

Alabama A&M
Albany (N.Y.)
Belmont
Binghamton
Elon
Gardner-Webb
High Point
Lipscomb
Longwood
North Dakota State
Northern Colorado
Oakland
Sacred Heart
South Dakota State
Stony Brook
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi
UC Davis
UC Riverside
Utah Valley

Without looking I think Oakland made the tourney 2 years ago or something. Yet Wright related college basketball to college football in that 50% of the teams in college basketball make it to a bowl game. Yea they do but alot of the games aren't watched, and involved 6-6 Notre Dame teams, how is that rewarding a team for a successful season. ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY!

Belmont made it two years ago and almost upset Duke in the first round.

http://espndb.go.com/ncb/recap?id=284000043

If not we are def a lock for a #1 seed in the NIT

With the win over St. Johns I think the debate is over (If it was even a debate anymore) We are IN and now are playing for seeding  :D

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 10, 2010, 09:30:31 AM
ND St. made the tourney.

also, its depressing how many of those teams we have played.

So has Albany, Belmont, Binghamton, and Sacred Heart off the top of my head.  Bama A&M might have too.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 10, 2010, 09:37:08 AMThe reason we have a play in game is because of the breakup of the WAC and the Mountain West.  The compromise over who got the auto bid was solved with the addition of th play in game.

Current NCAA rules are that there will be 34 at large bids, and the number of teams in the tournament will be the number of automatic bids (currently 31) plus 34.  I think 64 is the right number.  Pretty much half the big conference teams get in, that ought to be enough, and nobody else they add will have any kind of chance to do much of anything.

The percentage of football teams that go to bowls is, of course, totally irrelevant.  Only 2 NCAA football teams make the football NCAA tournament.  Everyone else is in football's version of the NIT.

didn't wisconsin play texas A&M CC

we are in, now lets win more and get a good seed.