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QuoteAll-BIG EAST First Team: G. Monroe (GU); L. Harangody (ND); D. Jones (USF); W. Johnson (SYR); S. Reynolds (VU); D. Butler (WVU).
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All-BIG EAST Second Team: Austin Freeman (GU); Lazar Hayward (MU); Ashton Gibbs (Pitt); Jeremy Hazell (SHU); Andy Rautins (SU).
All-BIG EAST Third Team: J. Dyson (UConn); K. Walker (UConn); S. Samuels (LOU); C. Fisher (VU); D. Ebanks (WVU).
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2010 BIG EAST All-Rookie Team: L. Stephenson (CIN); A. Oriakhi (UConn); V. Council (PC); D. Miller (RU); B. Triche (SYR); M. Wayns (VU).
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Are only freshmen eligible for rookie? No DJO?
Am I the only one who thinks Monroe of GU is on this team because of reputation?
How can Hayward not be first team? It's a joke!
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on March 07, 2010, 10:56:27 AM
Are only freshmen eligible for rookie? No DJO?
No Wesley Johnson, either, so there you go.
JB should be on there somewhere
How many Big East games did Harangody miss this year?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 07, 2010, 07:46:36 PM
How many Big East games did Harangody miss this year?
I read 5. They went 3-2.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 07, 2010, 11:18:59 AM
JB should be on there somewhere
Jimmy F*cking Butler got an honorable mention...
http://www.bigeast.org/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=92555&SPID=11228&DB_OEM_ID=19400&ATCLID=204903102
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 07, 2010, 07:46:36 PM
How many Big East games did Harangody miss this year?
Enough to keep him off of an all-conference team, you'd think. he missed roughly 1/4 of the conference season.
Not surprised at all that Harangody was a first teamer. So what if he missed 5 games? He averaged 23 and 10 and would be the All-time leading scorer of the CONFERENCE had he not gotten injured.
With 16 teams in the conference and only room for 6 players (curious why 6 on 1st team and 5 on 2nd team) on the first team, some guys are going to get left off. I don't disagree with any of the first team selections except maybe Greg Monroe but he does have the stats (16 PPG, 9 RPG) to justify it. I would look at this not so much that Lazar isn't a first team Big East player but rather the league has too much talent and not enough first team spots...
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on March 07, 2010, 08:05:36 PM
Not surprised at all that Harangody was a first teamer. So what if he missed 5 games? He averaged 23 and 10 and would be the All-time leading scorer of the CONFERENCE had he not gotten injured.
But he
was injured....and missed nearly 1/3 of the conference season. That's a ton of time, eons in a conference schedule. And his team played better without him.
It's crazy to honor somebody with a woulda/shoulda/coulda spot on a team when the league is so deep with other worthy student athletes who performed well throughout the gauntlet that is the Big East. Those guys
earned it -- and this was
given to him.
Quote from: NYWarrior on March 07, 2010, 08:27:31 PM
But he was injured....and missed nearly 1/3 of the conference season. That's a ton of time, eons in a conference schedule. And his team played better without him.
It's crazy to honor somebody with a woulda/shoulda/coulda spot on a team when the league is so deep with other worthy student athletes who performed well throughout the gauntlet that is the Big East. Those guys earned it -- and this was given to him.
The award represents individual accomplishments, not team accomplishments. The fact that ND played better without him means nothing. Also, Haragody, despite missing 5 games ("eons," you say) still easily outscored Hayward 607 - 541. Rebounds werent close either.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on March 07, 2010, 08:42:59 PM
The award represents individual accomplishments, not team accomplishments. The fact that ND played better without him means nothing. Also, Haragody, despite missing 5 games ("eons," you say) still easily outscored Hayward 607 - 541. Rebounds werent close either.
Actually, this is a BE award. So in conference games, Gody was 10th in points and 16th in rebounds. Why is that 1st team worthy? I can see 2nd team as recognition, but he missed 5.5 games due to injury or 31% of the conference games. Abromaitis was more deserving from his own team than he was.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 07, 2010, 09:09:18 PM
Actually, this is a BE award. So in conference games, Gody was 10th in points and 16th in rebounds. Why is that 1st team worthy? I can see 2nd team as recognition, but he missed 5.5 games due to injury or 31% of the conference games. Abromaitis was more deserving from his own team than he was.
So I guess you'll get pissed when Butler doesnt win the most improved award. THAT's the award Abromaitis should win. If he doesnt get it, it should go to Kris Joseph.
i dont want a damn honorable mention for JB, i want him on the damn second team and hayward on the first
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on March 07, 2010, 09:20:13 PM
So I guess you'll get pissed when Butler doesnt win the most improved award. THAT's the award Abromaitis should win. If he doesnt get it, it should go to Kris Joseph.
Huh? My point is that Gody didn't earn 1st Team BE. I am a big fan of Abro, btw, and he had more impact on ND's BE season than Gody.
Abro didn't even play last year which I believe doesn't make him eligible for most improved--not sure on that. So yes it is between Jimmy and Joseph. And, since Jimmy has two walk-off game winners, I am guessing he gets the nod.
You compare:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=tim-abromaitis&p1=jimmy-butler&p2=kris-joseph
Most improved Player is going to come down to Ashton Gibbs and Jimmy, and sadly Gibbs is going to win it. Probably pretty easily.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 07, 2010, 10:02:19 PM
Most improved Player is going to come down to Ashton Gibbs and Jimmy, and sadly Gibbs is going to win it. Probably pretty easily.
That does make sense since he is 2nd Team and Pitt is a surprise led by him. I added Gibbs to the Statsheet comparison page. Unfortunately, you cannot just grab BE games in this section.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=ashton-gibbs&ashton-gibbs=2009-2010&p1=jimmy-butler&p2=kris-joseph&p3=tim-abromaitis
Last year Dominic James didn't even get an honorable mention. I assume his missing 5 games had something to do with it.
Quote from: The Pickle on March 07, 2010, 08:06:40 PM
With 16 teams in the conference and only room for 6 players (curious why 6 on 1st team and 5 on 2nd team) on the first team, some guys are going to get left off. I don't disagree with any of the first team selections except maybe Greg Monroe but he does have the stats (16 PPG, 9 RPG) to justify it. I would look at this not so much that Lazar isn't a first team Big East player but rather the league has too much talent and not enough first team spots...
For sure. Just too many great players in the league.
Greg Monroe is overrated though. He's not the on-court leader that any of the other first-teamers are, and Hayward definitely edges him in that category.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 07, 2010, 09:26:03 PM
i dont want a damn honorable mention for JB, i want him on the damn second team and hayward on the first
I'm with you, but not getting accolades doesn't make either of them any less of a player. Look at Wes Matthews. I don't remember him winning anything individually but he's in the league...
Greg Monroe is a joke of a selection. As dominant as he could be, the dude completely disappeared on more than a few occasions this year.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on March 08, 2010, 03:02:20 PM
Greg Monroe is a joke of a selection. As dominant as he could be, the dude completely disappeared on more than a few occasions this year.
100% agree!
Monroe and Harangody both made 1st team based on reputation.
No respect for Hayward. Especially considering how well he played while the young guys got their feet wet.
Let's hope for a couple great games in the tournament to prove the doubters wrong.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 08, 2010, 03:10:52 PM
100% agree!
Monroe and Harangody both made 1st team based on reputation.
I love Lazar and I hate Harangody more than anyone but...Harangody led the league in scoring (Yes, he missed 5 games but if Lazar had missed the same I wouldn't have discredited what he did in the games in which he played.) and he was 3rd in rebounding. Meanwhile, as I posted before, I would much rather have Lazar on my team than Monroe but statistically they are nearly the same. I would have to disagree with you that the two of them made it based on reputation, especially when Monroe is only a sophomore. To each his own. Had Lazar made first team, I don't think anyone would be questioning Harangody and Monroe being on there with him...
Quote from: The Pickle on March 08, 2010, 04:15:14 PM
I love Lazar and I hate Harangody more than anyone but...Harangody led the league in scoring (Yes, he missed 5 games but if Lazar had missed the same I wouldn't have discredited what he did in the games in which he played.) and he was 3rd in rebounding. Meanwhile, as I posted before, I would much rather have Lazar on my team than Monroe but statistically they are nearly the same. I would have to disagree with you that the two of them made it based on reputation, especially when Monroe is only a sophomore. To each his own. Had Lazar made first team, I don't think anyone would be questioning Harangody and Monroe being on there with him...
What does being a soph have to do with it? Especially sinceMonroe was a McDonald's AA and a potential lottery pick had he left following his freshman season.
Harangody puts up big numbers but they are often to the detriment of the team because he's an incredibly selfish player. You can't discredit his stats, but they don't tell the whole story.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 08, 2010, 04:32:03 PM
What does being a soph have to do with it? Especially sinceMonroe was a McDonald's AA and a potential lottery pick had he left following his freshman season.
Harangody puts up big numbers but they are often to the detriment of the team because he's an incredibly selfish player. You can't discredit his stats, but they don't tell the whole story.
Harangody is a chucker and Monroe just seems disinterested at times.
I couldn't care less about how old either of them are or how many games Shrek missed while trying to rescue Princess Fiona.
Neither deserved it over Lazar.
/my $.02
EDIT: grammar
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 08, 2010, 04:32:03 PM
What does being a soph have to do with it?
I was responding to the other post which stated Monroe and Harangody got first team on reputation. I was saying it seems unlikely Monroe has much of a reputation as he has only been at GU two years...
I'm not going to start a debate since i already went down this road preseason and it didn't end well.
I'll just say that looking at the conference only statistics on the big east's website
Greg Monroe is the second leading rebounder, 11th in scoring, 14th in assists the only non guard to make the list, 9th in blocks and would be 17th in steals if they went down that low since he's .1 behind the two people tied at 15th.
He's also 9th in FG%
Hayward is 8th in scoring, 7th in rebounds, not on the list for assists, not on the list for blocks, 2nd in steals, and not on the list for FG%
Those who dismiss monroe as passive or not a leader really didn't watch Georgetown this entire season since on numerous occasions he took us on his back and led us to victory.
I think the biggest thing to be gained from looking at the bigeast's official stats is that because of his 5 game absence Harangody did not play in 75% of his teams games so was not eligible for any of the stats lists. One would think it ought to have precluded him from the all conference teams too or at least first team. I think haragody is overrated and should've been bumped down to second team. His team is so much better with out him. I'd be perfectly ok with putting Hayward on first team and getting rid of Harangody. But monroe is a first team selection. The main problem is the quality of this league. In all honesty people thought it was dumb to have ten person first team, but i'd be in favor of it. Honestly, Hayward, Gibbs, Freeman, and Rautins all deserved first team too.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on March 08, 2010, 09:30:33 PM
Those who dismiss monroe as passive or not a leader really didn't watch Georgetown this entire season since on numerous occasions he took us on his back and led us to victory. probably saw Lazar rip a rebound out of Monroe's hands to secure the Marquette victory over Georgetown
62-59'd for you
Quote from: The Pickle on March 08, 2010, 08:41:08 PM
I was responding to the other post which stated Monroe and Harangody got first team on reputation. I was saying it seems unlikely Monroe has much of a reputation as he has only been at GU two years...
Yes, I responded that he was a McDonald's All-American and likely would have been a lottery pick had he left following his freshman season. He was also the BE Rookie of the Year. That's a pretty solid reputation.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on March 08, 2010, 09:30:33 PM
Those who dismiss monroe as passive or not a leader really didn't watch Georgetown this entire season since on numerous occasions he took us on his back and led us to victory.
I think the main issue with Monroe is that with his size, athleticism and ability, it just feels like he should be better than he is. He's simply not the consistent, dominant big man that many people perceive him to be. He shows some flashes (as they say), but he also has games where he's a total non-factor (like all 3 games he's played against MU).
As MU fans, we're probably a little biased against Monroe because 1) he hasn't been much of a factor in 3 meetings with undersized MU and 2) we look at players like him and feel jealous because we'd love to see just how good Lazar would be if we could put his heart, desire and determination into a body like Monroe's.
"Those who dismiss monroe as passive or not a leader really didn't watch Georgetown this entire season since on numerous occasions he took us on his back and led us to victory. probably saw Lazar rip a rebound out of Monroe's hands to secure the Marquette victory over Georgetown"
Oh you mean when Monroe was clearly shoved out of bounds by hayward and we should've had freethrows? I'm no bitter at all. You guys played a heck of a game and shot out of your minds from 3 you deserved to win that day. I'd love to get another shot at you though.
Everyone game plans for monroe. He forces the other teams to adapt to the way he plays. So some teams choose to take away monroe and this leaves other people open. Greg has been very consistent this year. The lowest points total he recorded was 8. he only failed to reach double digits 4 times all year. The point is when he's not scoring he does so much else. It also makes no sense to penalize him for expectations coming into the big east the point is just looking at his play he's first team good it shouldn't matter if people think he should be doing better. He has never been a non factor. Even when he's not scoring he's a factor setting people up grabbing rebounds and playing defense.
any way http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0308/nbe-post-season-all-big-east-teams-awards/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0308/nbe-post-season-all-big-east-teams-awards/)
here's something we can all agree on.