I'm really excited to see next years team play together, mostly because I can't wait to see Vander Blue and the rest of the incoming recruting class. This may be a little early to be making predictions but this is what i came up with.
Thoughts?
I was really tempted to put Junior Cadougan in the starting line up, but I just think Vander Blue will be better.
Starters
DJO 16 pts 3 rebs 2 ast
Dwight Buycks 8 pts 4 rebs 3 ast
Vander Blue 9 pts 3rebs 4 ast
Jimmy Butler 17 pts 8 rebs 2 ast
Joe Fulce 6 pts 4 rebs 1 ast
Bench
Junior Cadougan 6 pts 2 rebs 3ast
Jae Crowder 5 pts 4 rebs 1 at
Jamil Jones 3 pts 2rebs 0ast
Erik Williams 4 pts 2 rebs 1 ast
Chris Otule 4 pts 4 rebs 0 ast
DJ Newbill 2 pts 1reb 1 ast
Reggie Smith 2 pts 1reb 1 ast
Yousopha Mbao .5 pts 1 reb .1 ast
Rob Frozena .3 pts .7 rebs .2 ast
So who's playing point? My understanding is that Vander is more valuable at the 2 than the 1.
Cadougan will start at point guard. Blue's competition will be with Buycks.
Junior is MU's only pure PG on next years roster, he will get significant minutes.
Vander is not ready to be a full time PG at the college level.
Junior's the true point guard and will start.
Starters:
Buycks
Junior
Otule
DJO
Butler
Stats: who knows
I also would not be suprised if Mbao is still on the roster. Maybe he redshirts, maybe he decides to depart. Alot of maybes. Buzz is still recruiting and I don't know if he wants to have two "projects" at the center position.
i think that otule is going to start over fulce because otule is taller than fulce and buzz has already tried to put otule into the starting lineup this year before he got hurt. i could also see junior fighting for one of the guard spots, most likely buycks unless buycks improves his shot and ball control. other than that i agree with the stats for the most part and believe that one of the incoming freshmen is going to have a decent year in scoring, most likely vander, and average 12-14 pts a game
This is just my personal opinion, but I think a lot of MU fan's expectations for Vander Blue are just too high at the moment. It's not that I don't think he'll be a real good player for MU in the future, it's just I don't see him making as big of an impact as a lot of people are expecting him to make next year. I mean there's people talking like he's a one and done type player on these boards. Are they nuts? He's good, but not John Wall good and living in WI it's not like he plays against top high school competition either. People need to be patient with Vander.
Quote from: warriorsforever on March 01, 2010, 12:46:47 PM
I'm really excited to see next years team play together, mostly because I can't wait to see Vander Blue and the rest of the incoming recruting class. This may be a little early to be making predictions but this is what i came up with.
Thoughts?
I was really tempted to put Junior Cadougan in the starting line up, but I just think Vander Blue will be better.
Starters
DJO 16 pts 3 rebs 2 ast
Dwight Buycks 8 pts 4 rebs 3 ast
Vander Blue 9 pts 3rebs 4 ast
Jimmy Butler 17 pts 8 rebs 2 ast
Joe Fulce 6 pts 4 rebs 1 ast
Bench
Junior Cadougan 6 pts 2 rebs 3ast
Jae Crowder 5 pts 4 rebs 1 at
Jamil Jones 3 pts 2rebs 0ast
Chris Otule 4 pts 4 rebs 0 ast
DJ Newbill 2 pts 1reb 1 ast
Reggie Smith 2 pts 1reb 1 ast
Yousopha Mbao .5 pts 1 reb .1 ast
Rob Frozena .3 pts .7 rebs .2 ast
BTW, where's EWill?
Quote from: warriorsforever on March 01, 2010, 12:46:47 PM
I'm really excited to see next years team play together, mostly because I can't wait to see Vander Blue and the rest of the incoming recruting class. This may be a little early to be making predictions but this is what i came up with.
Thoughts?
I was really tempted to put Junior Cadougan in the starting line up, but I just think Vander Blue will be better.
Starters
DJO 16 pts 3 rebs 2 ast
Dwight Buycks 8 pts 4 rebs 3 ast
Vander Blue 9 pts 3rebs 4 ast
Jimmy Butler 17 pts 8 rebs 2 ast
Joe Fulce 6 pts 4 rebs 1 ast
Bench
Junior Cadougan 6 pts 2 rebs 3ast
Jae Crowder 5 pts 4 rebs 1 at
Jamil Jones 3 pts 2rebs 0ast
Chris Otule 4 pts 4 rebs 0 ast
DJ Newbill 2 pts 1reb 1 ast
Reggie Smith 2 pts 1reb 1 ast
Yousopha Mbao .5 pts 1 reb .1 ast
Rob Frozena .3 pts .7 rebs .2 ast
No Erik Williams?
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on March 01, 2010, 12:57:17 PM
This is just my personal opinion, but I think a lot of MU fan's expectations for Vander Blue are just too high at the moment. It's not that I don't think he'll be a real good player for MU in the future, it's just I don't see him making as big of an impact as a lot of people are expecting him to make next year. I mean there's people talking like he's a one and done type player on these boards. Are they nuts? He's good, but not John Wall good and living in WI it's not like he plays against top high school competition either. People need to be patient with Vander.
+1 - Agree 100% As for starting lineup and points per prediction:
Junior - 6ppg
Buycks - 12ppg
DJO - 18ppg
Butler - 19ppg
Crowder - 14ppg
2nd team
Smith - 3ppg
Blue - 7ppg
Williams - 4ppg
Fulce - 8ppg
Otule - 7ppg
Quote from: Ners on March 01, 2010, 01:13:12 PM
+1 - Agree 100% As for starting lineup and points per prediction:
Junior - 6ppg
Buycks - 12ppg
DJO - 18ppg
Butler - 19ppg
Crowder - 14ppg
2nd team
Smith - 3ppg
Blue - 7ppg
Williams - 4ppg
Fulce - 8ppg
Otule - 7ppg
98 points per game?
Quote from: Ners on March 01, 2010, 01:13:12 PM
+1 - Agree 100% As for starting lineup and points per prediction:
Junior - 6ppg
Buycks - 12ppg
DJO - 18ppg
Butler - 19ppg
Crowder - 14ppg
2nd team
Smith - 3ppg
Blue - 7ppg
Williams - 4ppg
Fulce - 8ppg
Otule - 7ppg
Love your optimism but doubt we'll average 98 points per game next year.
Quote from: Ners on March 01, 2010, 01:13:12 PM
+1 - Agree 100% As for starting lineup and points per prediction:
Junior - 6ppg
Buycks - 12ppg
DJO - 18ppg
Butler - 19ppg
Crowder - 14ppg
2nd team
Smith - 3ppg
Blue - 7ppg
Williams - 4ppg
Fulce - 8ppg
Otule - 7ppg
I'll take that bet. ;) Crowder is going to come in and average 14ppg? Based on what? You're asking a lot of guys to jump about 6 points per game over what they are doing now. It can be done (Butler), but usually it's a result of opportunity. Butler was option 5 or 6 last year, he's now option 2. Is Buycks going to have that same opportunity?
Maybe. I like the enthusiasm, but not sure where these ppg are coming from....unless every game goes to OT next year.
Terry Sanders.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 01, 2010, 01:29:12 PM
Love your optimism but doubt we'll average 98 points per game next year.
Agreed. Like to optimism but that is the fun part of college ball, every year you team changes a bit. I do think JC will start and it wouldn't surprise me if he was really effective. It wouldn't surprise me if Fulce shores up his defense and scores 12 points a game. Honestly, I really won't be surprised if EWill is this year's Fulce where he scores like 4 ppg but has games where he puts up 14. I wouldn't be surprised if Blue played only 15 minutes a game next season. I wouldn't be surprised if the Juco kids were flops. I can go on but the truth is that a bunch of major contributors are graduating and we will need other players to step up. I see the ability to step up from all of our players.
I would like to see how this lineup would work:
G-Blue
G-DJO
F-Butler
F-Crowder
F- Fulce
I would not start it, but it would be interesting to see how those five could do. If Blue can handle the ball well it would be fun. They are all big, strong, athletic players who can shoot (Fulce has shown it! and I thought Crowder was supposed to be able to shoot). They could switch on every screen, and it would be a good rebounding lineup.
I'd probably start Cadougan and Otule though with DJO and Jimmy for sure. Then Blue and Buycks battling for the 2 or put Crowder (maybe even EWill?) at a forward and move Jimmy to the wing.
I love that Blue comes in at the third option at best. No pressure, just let him develop before the conference season starts.
I guess i didnt really think who would be playing the point. I think the 3 guards of Blue, DJO, and Buycks could work. But its more likley that Cadougan starts over Blue. Its probably more likely that it will be Cadougan, Buycks, and DJO because Buzz seems to go for experience.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 01, 2010, 01:58:56 PM
I would like to see how this lineup would work:
G-Blue
G-DJO
F-Butler
F-Crowder
F- Fulce
I would not start it, but it would be interesting to see how those five could do. If Blue can handle the ball well it would be fun. They are all big, strong, athletic players who can shoot (Fulce has shown it! and I thought Crowder was supposed to be able to shoot). They could switch on every screen, and it would be a good rebounding lineup.
I'd probably start Cadougan and Otule though with DJO and Jimmy for sure. Then Blue and Buycks battling for the 2 or put Crowder (maybe even EWill?) at a forward and move Jimmy to the wing.
I love that Blue comes in at the third option at best. No pressure, just let him develop before the conference season starts.
what is that? I thought Juco's sucked
I think Otule will start from game one.
Otule
Butler
DJO
Junior
Buycks
Off the bench:
Fulce
Blue
Crowder
__
Erik
Newbill
Smith
Mbao
Frozena
I say we score in the mid 70's.
Next year will have a ton of questions. It is going to be really interesting. I think I have quite a few questions at the five spot and it is too early for me to try a prediction.
What we know?
-Johnson-Odom and Butler start
What is probable?
- Cadougan starts at point. Does he average 30 min? Prob not but who knows?
What I would guess?
- Buycks starts over Blue. Blue is a major contributor off bench (maybe 20+ min. per game)
What I don't know?
- Who is the other starter? Otule? Fulce? Crowder? Way to early to tell at this point. This position will probably have to defend the five so Otule is definitely going to get minutes. How many? Haven't the slightest idea at this point
Bench?
- Obviously, whoever doesn't start of Otule-Fulce-Crowder and Buycks-Blue is going to get solid minutes. After that, I would say that EWill and Smith get the next most minutes.
Hmm... no offense to the kid, but why is everyone on the Buycks bandwagon as a starter? I don't see a ton of upside. I think he is a bench player because he has poor shot selection and he isn't the best decision maker. I don't mind if he gives some guys a breather but unless he gets a better jump shot or becomes a better defender, I can see other players taking the available PT.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on March 01, 2010, 02:18:42 PM
Hmm... no offense to the kid, but why is everyone on the Buycks bandwagon as a starter? I don't see a ton of upside. I think he is a bench player because he has poor shot selection and he isn't the best decision maker. I don't mind if he gives some guys a breather but unless he gets a better jump shot or becomes a better defender, I can see other players taking the available PT.
I think he will start...at least at the beginning of the season...because DJO and he are the only guards with experience.
He will probably start because he will be a senior and he brings Big East experince and athletecism. But I hope Vander Blue starts over him because I think he will be a way better player.
Quote from: Ners on March 01, 2010, 01:13:12 PM
+1 - Agree 100% As for starting lineup and points per prediction:
Junior - 6ppg
Buycks - 12ppg
DJO - 18ppg
Butler - 19ppg
Crowder - 14ppg
2nd team
Smith - 3ppg
Blue - 7ppg
Williams - 4ppg
Fulce - 8ppg
Otule - 7ppg
:-)
I give you credit, man. You are really drinking the kool aid.
I REALLY hope you are right, because that would be amazing, and an incredibly fun team to watch.
Last year when this came up many had three, even four freshmen starting for this season. When the scoring came up in preseason predictions I had Butler at 10, DJO at 6, and Mo at 5. Methinks predicting this stuff is more of a "fairy tale" as Buzz would call it than speculating about the NCAA tournament a month beforehand.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on March 01, 2010, 02:18:42 PM
Hmm... no offense to the kid, but why is everyone on the Buycks bandwagon as a starter? I don't see a ton of upside. I think he is a bench player because he has poor shot selection and he isn't the best decision maker. I don't mind if he gives some guys a breather but unless he gets a better jump shot or becomes a better defender, I can see other players taking the available PT.
Buycks is the best rebounding guard we will have. He needs to be on the floor. I'm confident he'll clean up his decision making.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on March 01, 2010, 02:36:40 PM
:-)
I give you credit, man. You are really drinking the kool aid.
I REALLY hope you are right, because that would be amazing, and an incredibly fun team to watch.
I knew I'd get some sh$t and rightfully so for predicting those scoring totals...I did do the math and realize it added up to 98 points which is ridiculous..just got too busy at work to revise...so posted anyway. I do think Crowder starts and will be a very good player. Also think Buycks will start over Blue as I'll take a player with 3 years of college ball experience over a highly regarded freshman
I might be wrong, but Fulce seems to be playing almost as good as Jimmy did last year right now. He might surprise everyone next year with a break out senior year. We know Buzz will play seniors if they're working hard. Junior will start at point and Vander will be the sixth man off the bench. I could see Buycks playing the wing ala Mathews at times.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on March 01, 2010, 02:18:42 PM
Hmm... no offense to the kid, but why is everyone on the Buycks bandwagon as a starter? I don't see a ton of upside. I think he is a bench player because he has poor shot selection and he isn't the best decision maker. I don't mind if he gives some guys a breather but unless he gets a better jump shot or becomes a better defender, I can see other players taking the available PT.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on March 01, 2010, 02:18:42 PM
Hmm... no offense to the kid, but why is everyone on the Buycks bandwagon as a starter? I don't see a ton of upside. I think he is a bench player because he has poor shot selection and he isn't the best decision maker. I don't mind if he gives some guys a breather but unless he gets a better jump shot or becomes a better defender, I can see other players taking the available PT.
that's his upside. better shot selection and better decisions. I've said it before on here, but if he plays more like Jimmy Butler on offense, he could be very good. Take it to the hoop, pull up and hit midrange jumpers. don't take threes unless you are WIDE open. He could average 12 PPG next year.
Junior - 5ppg
Buycks - 12ppg
DJO - 16ppg
Butler - 16ppg
Fulce - 6ppg
2nd team
Smith - 3ppg
Blue - 7ppg
Williams - 4ppg
Otule - 4ppg
Crowder - 6ppg
Quote from: Ners on March 01, 2010, 02:51:44 PM
I knew I'd get some sh$t and rightfully so for predicting those scoring totals...I did do the math and realize it added up to 98 points which is ridiculous..just got too busy at work to revise...so posted anyway. I do think Crowder starts and will be a very good player. Also think Buycks will start over Blue as I'll take a player with 3 years of college ball experience over a highly regarded freshman
I agree and I think expectations are too high for Vander, but I still think he'll get to start. Buycks is probably the super sub because he can at least be serviceable at any of the 3 guard spots. Obviously he's not a true PG, but I think he'll be better at it than Vander or DJO.
If they start Buycks and he or Junior get into foul trouble, that would be dangerous. If Buycks comes off of the bench, at least they can manage the minutes and fouls.
Quote from: Daniel on March 01, 2010, 02:05:27 PM
I think Otule will start from game one.
Otule
Butler
DJO
Junior
Buycks
Off the bench:
Fulce
Blue
Crowder
__
Erik
Newbill
Smith
Mbao
Frozena
I say we score in the mid 70's.
agreed on OTULE but who knows how the season will shape up...i imagine this if the season started tomorrow
jr.
blue
djo
fulce
otule
Quote from: wyoMUfan on March 01, 2010, 03:18:54 PM
agreed on OTULE but who knows how the season will shape up...i imagine this if the season started tomorrow
jr.
blue
djo
fulce
otule
Hate to drill you on this buddy..but couldn't resist: No Jimmy Butler in the starting line up next year? :)
I think it's Otule's job to lose at the 5. That being said, he may not be starting some of the big BE games, depending on the JUCOs. I sincerely hope buzz can keep all of these players happy with minutes and just as Marquette players in general. I feel like this is the deepest team MU has had in some time and I'd like to see all of these players turn their potential and expectations into skills and results
Starters:
Jr
Blue
Buycks
Butler
Otule
Bench:
DJO
Fulce
Crowder
EWill
--
Newbill
Smith
Mbao
Quote from: Ari Gold on March 01, 2010, 03:45:29 PM
I think it's Otule's job to lose at the 5. That being said, he may not be starting some of the big BE games, depending on the JUCOs. I sincerely hope buzz can keep all of these players happy with minutes and just as Marquette players in general. I feel like this is the deepest team MU has had in some time and I'd like to see all of these players turn their potential and expectations into skills and results
Starters:
Jr
Blue
Buycks
Butler
Otule
Bench:
DJO
Fulce
Crowder
EWill
--
Newbill
Smith
Mbao
Swap DJO and Buycks and you have the actual starting lineup for next year. No way DJO doesn't start every game. I wouldn't be too surprised to see JC, DB, DJO, Butler and Otule to start actually.
Jones anyone... will likely get 5-10 min a game off bench, or has he left?
Starters
Jr.
DJO
Buycks
Butler
Crowder
First off Bench
Blue
Otule
Ewill
Jones
Smith
oops forgot Fulce ahead of Ewill
Min will diminish for the bench as the season goes on as roles will be set.
Quote from: noblewarrior on March 01, 2010, 03:52:55 PM
Jones anyone... will likely get 5-10 min a game off bench, or has he left?
Starters
Jr.
DJO
Buycks
Butler
Crowder
First off Bench
Blue
Otule
Ewill
Jones
Smith
oops forgot Fulce ahead of Ewill
Min will diminish for the bench as the season goes on as roles will be set.
seriously doubt Crowder will start.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 01, 2010, 03:58:59 PM
seriously doubt Crowder will start.
Noble Warrior brings up a good point - lots aren't even mentioning Jamail Jones...this is going to be a crazy deep team..but just based on observation..not many freshman I've seen can come into the Big East and play big roles(Big 3 did to an extent, certainly but think that certainly is the exception and not the norm.) That said, I like Crowder's 2 years of JUCO experience ahead of players like Jones, E-Will, Newbill, and maybe even Fulce due to overall body-type/stength, etc. I see Crowder in the realm of Lazar...and starter quite possibly.
Jones will be next year's E-will. Needs to add weight...won't get much PT.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 01, 2010, 03:48:50 PM
Swap DJO and Buycks and you have the actual starting lineup for next year. No way DJO doesn't start every game. I wouldn't be too surprised to see JC, DB, DJO, Butler and Otule to start actually.
I guess I see DJO as a 6th man who came come off the bench when any of the guards get an early foul or two or if we need an injection of some quick offense.
Totally forgot about Jamail Jones, feel like he goes ahead of e-will's spot on my bench on my list.
So much depth.... I can see how the 2 year players or players with less eligibility get to play ahead of Ewill, Mbao Newbill and Smith.
I hope the guys I didnt list as starters get A LOT Non-con season playing time