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Title: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: GOLDY on February 25, 2010, 09:32:40 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: jaygall31 on February 25, 2010, 09:33:32 PM
hahaahahah

he went absolutely NUTS!!!
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Bizzork on February 25, 2010, 09:35:31 PM
He karate-kicked the white board as soon as he got into the locker room.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: GOLDY on February 25, 2010, 09:35:48 PM
About the only time I root for Wisconsin is when they play Indiana.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: jaygall31 on February 25, 2010, 09:36:59 PM
About the only time I root for Wisconsin is when they play Indiana.

+1
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Bizzork on February 25, 2010, 09:38:15 PM
It was pretty easy to read his lips a few times when he was saying "that is f--ing sh-t".  He probably said it about 4 times in a row.  I think he was trying to get thrown out to fire up the team and the crowd.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: wheresthecake? on February 25, 2010, 09:38:30 PM
The pressure's starting to get to him.  The man is simply too neurotic to make it in Bloomington, especially now that his every move is starting to come into question.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: madtownwarrior on February 25, 2010, 09:39:50 PM
unfortunately it looks like the fans actually liked the act... too bad they don't realize they are getting their a**es handed to them despite the tom crean ejection...
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: GOLDY on February 25, 2010, 09:40:23 PM
I think he just realized he never should have left Marquette for Indiana.  I am glad he did, but it is Indiana.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: wojosdojo on February 25, 2010, 09:47:12 PM
...and that's the bottom line.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: jaygall31 on February 25, 2010, 09:48:24 PM
Tom Crean = Kevin O'Neil

2 years after his departure really wishing he hadn't. Makes me giggle.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: GO_MU02 on February 25, 2010, 09:50:31 PM
That was the most enjoyable thing I've seen on TV all week (with the obvious exception of Jimmy's shot last night).  I was laughing as he went insane on his way off the court.  I only say it twice a year, Go Badgers!
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on February 25, 2010, 09:52:55 PM
I only say it twice a year, Go Badgers!

+1
My thoughts exactly!
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 25, 2010, 09:53:49 PM
I'm shocked and embarrassed to think a leader of student athletes would conduct himself in such an unprofessional manner.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: The Pickle on February 25, 2010, 09:54:54 PM
If anyone finds this on video I would LOVE to see it.  You think he is trying as best he can to do a Bobby Knight impression and endear himself further to the Indiana faithful?  Did he throw a chair onto the court?
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: The Pickle on February 25, 2010, 09:55:23 PM
I'm shocked and embarrassed to think a leader of student athletes would conduct himself in such an unprofessional manner.

It's Crean.  Doesn't shock me at all...
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: 79Warrior on February 25, 2010, 09:57:07 PM
The pressure's starting to get to him.  The man is simply too neurotic to make it in Bloomington, especially now that his every move is starting to come into question.

What every move is questioned? I saw a full building watching a crapt# team play. sure does not loook like the fans have given up on the team.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 25, 2010, 09:59:53 PM
I wish he hadn't done that. Would have loved to see the post game handshake with with Bo. Anyone know if he showed for his post game radio interview?
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Bizzork on February 25, 2010, 10:01:35 PM
Big Ten Network will probably be showing replay in about a minute here.  Game just ended so no radio yet.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: 77ncaachamps on February 25, 2010, 10:03:25 PM
Wow. No replay on ESPN360 since it wasn't shown. Loved to have seen it.

BTW, 5 total PFs on WI and 6 on Indiana? FIVE total FTs attempted?!? Must've been a physical game! Who were the refs and is this the MO for them?
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on February 25, 2010, 10:06:52 PM
I heard they were taping a remake of "Hoosiers".
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: butchbadger on February 25, 2010, 10:09:22 PM
The sad truth is he can't coach.  Sans D Wade and 2 other NBA players he'd be an assistant somewhere in the MAC.


He showed his character tonight.  Sore loser. Tool. Jagoff.

I think he got tossed just so he wouldn't have to face Bo in a handshake after another 30 point humiliation.

PLUS, IU has played dirty in both games as soon as they got way behind.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 25, 2010, 10:12:03 PM
What was he getting all hot and bothered about? I thought IU played very well. They only lost by 32.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: warthog-driver on February 25, 2010, 10:15:43 PM
What an uncouth vulgar man. And in public no less. Imagine what his behavior must be like behind closed doors. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: wheresthecake? on February 25, 2010, 10:16:05 PM
What every move is questioned? I saw a full building watching a crapt# team play. sure does not loook like the fans have given up on the team.
O please, everyone knows that Crean's seat is starting to heat up.  Next year will make or break him there, the II,II faithful are growing sick of the blowouts.  Seems to me that he's lost control of his team and himself, at least at the start of the year they played teams tough.  They haven't played anyone close in nearly a month now.  

FWIW, I even heard from a close source that TC has been struggling with bouts of depression lately.  Can't say I'm too surprised though, the guy's a nut.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Bizzork on February 25, 2010, 10:18:08 PM
Officials included Jim Burr, Tom O'Neill, and Mike Kitts.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: MUBurrow on February 25, 2010, 10:20:25 PM
i didnt see it, but did he get tech'd twice separately? or did they just toss him on the spot?  because if its the latter, its quite a bit more excusable.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Bizzork on February 25, 2010, 10:23:08 PM
Two separate techs from two separate officials.  Burr hit him with the first one, walked away, then he got tossed by O'Neill about 30 game seconds later.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: MUBurrow on February 25, 2010, 10:24:53 PM
haha. perfect.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on February 25, 2010, 11:00:19 PM
Thanks Crean for making my night. I won't say Go Rodents ever in my life but watching Its Indiana Its Indiana melt down was so amusing.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: HoopsMalone on February 25, 2010, 11:06:35 PM
It's gotta be pretty rare to see a high major D1 coach get tossed. 
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: 77ncaachamps on February 25, 2010, 11:07:20 PM
Just catching up with my Tweets.
Crean's tweet before the game:

"Get out here students. We need you"

interesting as it is not a saccharine laced tweet rather an inferred earnest one.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: HoopsMalone on February 25, 2010, 11:10:14 PM
http://espn.go.com/ncb/photos?gameId=300560084&photoId=481909
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: noblewarrior on February 25, 2010, 11:19:47 PM
Is it to soon to feel bad for the guy?... I don't now, but soon this is just going to get sad, and as a MU grad I appreciate what he did regardless of my ignorance of his personality and neuroses.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: WarriorHal on February 25, 2010, 11:42:26 PM



             Tom Crean =  Judas Iscariot

              Hope he's enjoying the "big time" program he's now coaching.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: HoopsMalone on February 25, 2010, 11:52:57 PM
Is it to soon to feel bad for the guy?... I don't now, but soon this is just going to get sad, and as a MU grad I appreciate what he did regardless of my ignorance of his personality and neuroses.

We hope that he isn't really going through clinical depression, but he has about 2 million reasons every year to get over losing at basketball, not to mention a potentially lucrative buyout.  People have been through harder things and have broken off relationships in smoother ways than the way he took the money and ran to IU.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: wyoMUfan on February 25, 2010, 11:58:39 PM


             Tom Crean =  Judas Iscariot

              Hope he's enjoying the "big time" program he's now coaching.

Coaches leave programs all the time.  99% of people in his position would have done the same thing.
I think were doing fine without him, so why all the hatred? Just remember him for what he did for MU and the resurgence he started.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Ron Paul on February 26, 2010, 12:03:58 AM
How has the post not been taken yet?

Its Indiana, Its Indiana
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: thatman32 on February 26, 2010, 02:02:03 AM
HAHA.  Also never compare Tom Crean to Judas because Judas actually did something according to the Bible. 

Tom Crean really hasn't done much since Dwade left considering how many millions MU paid him.  But whatever at least he is Tan and Tim Buckley can tell him how good of a job he is doing since his assistants are probably pretty good at blowing smoke up his ass! 

When will Chicos come to his defense?  I mean its a soft bubble so IU shoud make the tournment  ;D
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: willie warrior on February 26, 2010, 07:34:07 AM
Damn, somebody already grabbed "It's Indiana-Indiana"

Oh well--Crean got creamed by the refs.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: avid1010 on February 26, 2010, 07:42:35 AM
http://vimeo.com/9752259  --- only video I could find

If they lose to Iowa in their next game he's in trouble....to me, he realized they weren't going to win this game and started preparing for Iowa by getting tossed.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: The Pickle on February 26, 2010, 07:59:49 AM
http://vimeo.com/9752259  --- only video I could find

If they lose to Iowa in their next game he's in trouble....to me, he realized they weren't going to win this game and started preparing for Iowa by getting tossed.

I like how all he talked about in the post game was his "passion" and Rivers talked about "how much he cares about Indiana".  If you can't coach you can't coach, doesn't matter how much passion you have.  People can say what they want about how he brought Marquette back blah, blah, blah.  No he didn't.  He played patty cake with the school and all the donors to get us $$ for the program, so fine, thanks for that.  Wade brought the program back to national prominence.  He is doesn't have a genuine fiber or moral thread in his body.  So between not being a good coach and not being a good person, it's no wonder he's depressed...
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 26, 2010, 08:15:01 AM
100 percent orchestrated. "Maybe I'll get myself ejected to show people I care."

I've said it once and I'll say it again, does anybody get their doors blown off more than Crean? Rebuilding or not, they should not be losing at home by 32 points to anybody.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 26, 2010, 08:17:13 AM
http://vimeo.com/9752259  --- only video I could find

If they lose to Iowa in their next game he's in trouble....to me, he realized they weren't going to win this game and started preparing for Iowa by getting tossed.

Dick Strong was in the crowd behind him.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: 96warrior on February 26, 2010, 08:48:47 AM
Coaches leave programs all the time.  99% of people in his position would have done the same thing.
I think were doing fine without him, so why all the hatred? Just remember him for what he did for MU and the resurgence he started.

I agree. I have never understood the utter hatred for Crean since he left. Yes, the manner in which he left was shocking - to not tell his players before it hit the media is pretty low. But he did do great things for this school, this program...so why all the hate?

I like how all he talked about in the post game was his "passion" and Rivers talked about "how much he cares about Indiana".  If you can't coach you can't coach, doesn't matter how much passion you have.  People can say what they want about how he brought Marquette back blah, blah, blah.  No he didn't.  He played patty cake with the school and all the donors to get us $$ for the program, so fine, thanks for that.  Wade brought the program back to national prominence.  He is doesn't have a genuine fiber or moral thread in his body.  So between not being a good coach and not being a good person, it's no wonder he's depressed...

I disagree about not being able to coach, he got us to the Final Four. Part of being the head coach is getting dollars for the program, isn't it? (that's an honest question...from the person who wondered what Lazar was yelling about in the last huddle, so clearly I'm naive). I love what Wade did for Marquette, love being able to say he went to my alma mater, but he doesn't get all the credit for bringing the program back. There were a number of star players on that team, who Crean recruited. And by the way, Wade left us for the NBA paycheck...not too far off from a coach making a career decision to go where the money is...yes?

I can't speak to the moral fiber of Tom Crean. All I know is I met him once and he was very gracious. I was really bummed when he left, but that was before I knew who Buzz Williams was. I do take more to Buzz's demeanor and I do think he coaches better - the guys seem like a true team, a cohesive unit that plays unselfish basketball and plays their guts out for this coach. That said, that doesn't have anything to do with what Crean did for us. He brought us back from the Deane years, I mean come on.

Tom Crean is more polarizing than Hillary Clinton. Good grief.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: 77fan88warrior on February 26, 2010, 08:57:07 AM
This reminds me of the Dukiet years. It was a moral victory for us when he told digger to F himself.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 26, 2010, 08:58:29 AM
I agree. I have never understood the utter hatred for Crean since he left.

Tom Crean is more polarizing than Hillary Clinton. Good grief.

The hatred comes from those who pretended to like him for so many years. When he finally left, they were free to voice their true opinions of the a-hole. He's absolutely loathsome.

I pray to God that last night was not rock bottom.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: avid1010 on February 26, 2010, 09:18:33 AM
The hatred comes from those who pretended to like him for so many years. When he finally left, they were free to voice their true opinions of the a-hole. He's absolutely loathsome.

I pray to God that last night was not rock bottom.


I understand the hatred.  We always heard rumors about his true demeanor, but publicly we didn't hear/see the same thing.  When he left, and most importantly, the way he left seems to show that those rumors were true. 

As far as him as a coach.  He got Wade, and deserves credit for doing so.  That's part of being a college coach, but if I'm an IU fan I'd be worried that players like Wade don't come around often (especially because of the way he got Wade).  I think TC realized this, took the IU job hoping he could land big name players, and we'll see if that works out for him.  So far, I'm getting a kick out of it.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: damuts222 on February 26, 2010, 09:20:54 AM
Quote
The hatred comes from those who pretended to like him for so many years. When he finally left, they were free to voice their true opinions of the a-hole. He's absolutely loathsome.

So pretty much when he left you were able to voice your opinion because everyone didn't already know that he was going to Indiana years before he left. Your opinion got stronger because he left as well right??

 While I agree to a certain degree that he sometimes put on a bit of a show, I respect what he did for Marquette.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Fullodds on February 26, 2010, 09:26:11 AM
Hard to believe TC using such bad language after this rant.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dasj3L4m8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dasj3L4m8)


It was pretty easy to read his lips a few times when he was saying "that is f--ing sh-t".  He probably said it about 4 times in a row.  I think he was trying to get thrown out to fire up the team and the crowd.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: jaybilaswho? on February 26, 2010, 09:38:52 AM
It's gotta be pretty rare to see a high major D1 coach get tossed. 

Huggins got tossed on Wednesday night (I think it was) because he got two technicals.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: muballer10 on February 26, 2010, 09:44:18 AM
....and this just in, Kevin O' Neil took a crap this morning.


ugh. superbar please.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Golden Avalanche on February 26, 2010, 09:46:02 AM
Hard to believe TC using such bad language after this rant.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dasj3L4m8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dasj3L4m8)



Hahaa.......that was an impressive rant. Coaches are regular dudes, most of them swear a storm. Buzz has had a few doozies this year. Don't get why that bothers people.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: tower912 on February 26, 2010, 09:48:12 AM
The hatred of Crean.    Think of TC has a high maintenance  ex-girlfriend.    Some always thought she was a pain and said so.    Some thought she was a pain but gave her the benefit of the doubt out of courtesy to you and the fact she made you happy.    Some genuinely liked her and are heartbroken you broke up.    Some loved her while you were with her, but now that she is gone see all of the flaws they overlooked.    Somes say, hey, we had a good run, thanks for the memories and have moved on to the next girl.   I've moved on to the next girl.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: kmwtrucks on February 26, 2010, 09:50:13 AM
I think the biggest concern is he is doing the same thing at IU that he did at MU.  He has a solid 2009 recruiting class but his 2010 class is awful.  He has 2 recruits and they would be comparable to Reggie Smith and DJ newbill in the rating's which would be out lowest rated of the 5. He needs to close on at least one big time player in the next month or so.  Buzz is a better recruiter and more importantly has a better eye for talent.  IE Butler, DJO, and hopefully Crowder and DJ Newbill.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 26, 2010, 09:50:21 AM
Hard to believe TC using such bad language after this rant.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dasj3L4m8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dasj3L4m8)


The last comment on this page pretty much sums up Crean's problem

"shut up tom, why don't you win a f*cking basketball game "
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: 96warrior on February 26, 2010, 09:53:38 AM
The hatred of Crean.    Think of TC has a high maintenance  ex-girlfriend.    Some always thought she was a pain and said so.    Some thought she was a pain but gave her the benefit of the doubt out of courtesy to you and the fact she made you happy.    Some genuinely liked her and are heartbroken you broke up.    Some loved her while you were with her, but now that she is gone see all of the flaws they overlooked.    Somes say, hey, we had a good run, thanks for the memories and have moved on to the next girl.   I've moved on to the next girl.

Now THIS...this is excellent.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on February 26, 2010, 09:57:33 AM
Some of you seem to hold on to a lot of hurt feelings.

Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: martyconlonontherun on February 26, 2010, 10:51:57 AM
The hatred comes from those who pretended to like him for so many years. When he finally left, they were free to voice their true opinions of the a-hole. He's absolutely loathsome.

I pray to God that last night was not rock bottom.

What is sad is your statement is true. Instead of being able to openly discuss our program, a lot of MU fans/alumns aren't open to criticism. When ever someone in the media questioned Crean's character, the MU boards went nuts. Now when ever someone on hear says anything about Buzz, people go nuts. Well, guess what? Buzz is a human being and a NCAA coach/recruiter. The game isn't as pure as most people think. That said, Buzz is infinity better than Crean as a human being, just don't wear rosey glasses all the time.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: warriors1991 on February 26, 2010, 10:55:13 AM
Not sure I quite see the "hurt feelings" everywhere. (Yes, some here hate the man bitterly.)

I liked Crean but never loved him. I always questioned his bizarre offensive sets and pulled my hair out watching DJ dribble around for 20 seconds waiting for guys to run a single play. I thought his recruiting was decent but not great.
I find it mildly amusing now to see Indiana struggle. When they hired him I told a friend "Hope you know what you're getting yourself into."
We went to a FF purely on the backs of some seriously lucky talent to drop in our laps. Outside of that his game coaching and his recruiting were average at best.

Buzz's recruiting has been solid. I enjoy watching Buzz's teams play vastly more than I enjoyed watching Crean's. I think in the long run Buzz will definitely be better than TC.

That said, I wish Crean and Indiana luck. They're both gonna need it.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 26, 2010, 11:19:45 AM
What is sad is your statement is true. Instead of being able to openly discuss our program, a lot of MU fans/alumns aren't open to criticism. When ever someone in the media questioned Crean's character, the MU boards went nuts. Now when ever someone on hear says anything about Buzz, people go nuts.



Irony personified

Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on February 26, 2010, 11:20:22 AM
The last comment on this page pretty much sums up Crean's problem

"shut up tom, why don't you win a f*cking basketball game "

I know that's what TC needs to say but what an F-ing hypocrite.  A couple years ago I sat about 3 rows behind the MU bench at a Depaul game (at Depaul).  I was there with my two sons (13 and 10 at the time) and we listened to the Tanned One scream more vulgarity during the game than....I guess I can't say than you could imagine, because I think you probably can imagine, but you get the drift.

I'd prefer the above quote just be "shut up tom".  

Next.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: tower912 on February 26, 2010, 11:20:37 AM
To take my metaphor one step further, some people realize they are in a better place now with a better girlfriend and wish their ex well.    But when they hear that the ex who dumped them is struggling, a little voice deep down in their soul says,"That's what you get, ^#$@#&.    Enjoy.   Shouldn't have dumped me, eh?"    
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 26, 2010, 11:22:31 AM
To take my metaphor one step further, some people realize they are in a better place now with a better girlfriend and wish their ex well.    But when they hear that the ex who dumped them is struggling, a little voice deep down in their soul says,"That's what you get, ^#$@#&.    Enjoy.   Shouldn't have dumped me, eh?"    


Only really bitter people act this way.  Sorry, I don't have that much bitterness.    Of course, I've always wondered why when former girlfriends Kevin O'Neill and Rick Majerus left, crapped on MU or left them in a lurch, why the same bitterness didn't come to the surface.  The same hatred.  That same little voice.  Go figure.

LOL



Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: tower912 on February 26, 2010, 11:24:50 AM
I'm not mad at Crean.   I wish him well, as he is going to need time and patience to build that program up from the basicaly zero.   
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: flash on February 26, 2010, 11:26:11 AM
Indiana expects excellence from its basketball program.  If Tom Crean doesn't make the tounament in the next two or three years, i would expect him to be fired.  
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: LON on February 26, 2010, 11:28:14 AM

Only really bitter people act this way.  Sorry, I don't have that much bitterness.    Of course, I've always wondered why when former girlfriends Kevin O'Neill and Rick Majerus left, crapped on MU or left them in a lurch, why the same bitterness didn't come to the surface.  The same hatred.  That same little voice.  Go figure.

LOL





How many internet forums were around then?  My guess is probably not many.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on February 26, 2010, 11:28:30 AM
Not sure I quite see the "hurt feelings" everywhere. (Yes, some here hate the man bitterly.)

I liked Crean but never loved him. I always questioned his bizarre offensive sets and pulled my hair out watching DJ dribble around for 20 seconds waiting for guys to run a single play. I thought his recruiting was decent but not great.
I find it mildly amusing now to see Indiana struggle. When they hired him I told a friend "Hope you know what you're getting yourself into."
We went to a FF purely on the backs of some seriously lucky talent to drop in our laps. Outside of that his game coaching and his recruiting were average at best.

Buzz's recruiting has been solid. I enjoy watching Buzz's teams play vastly more than I enjoyed watching Crean's. I think in the long run Buzz will definitely be better than TC.

That said, I wish Crean and Indiana luck. They're both gonna need it.

Well, I'm going to be labeled an apologist for this, but I have to say it:

What makes Tom Crean's recruiting "lucky" and Buzz Williams recruiting "solid"?

I love Buzz's recruits so far, but I really liked the guys TC was getting too. TC was just lucky to get the guys he did?

In 2000, nobody knew how good Wade was going to be. If they did, Crean probably wouldn't have gotten him. That's a fair statement. TC was smart enough to know Wade was good. He was lucky enough to strike gold. I get it.

However, couldn't that same logic be applied to Jimmy Butler?

Crean was simply "lucky" to get Wade, but somehow Buzz is brilliant for getting Jimmy?

I'm all for legit criticism of a coach, but I really think some personal biases are coming into play.

In the long run, Buzz might be the best thing that happened to MU in a long time. I'm hoping for that. But, just because we "like" him more doesn't mean everything he does is better than the previous coach.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: spiral97 on February 26, 2010, 11:31:42 AM
love that a youtube search of "tom crean" refined to those posted in the last week yields one result about the buckeyes blowing indiana out and then a whole bunch of results related to "cream".  The preview snapshot of the first one looks particularly reminiscent of the chat entertainment the other night.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 26, 2010, 11:35:26 AM

Only really bitter people act this way.  Sorry, I don't have that much bitterness.    Of course, I've always wondered why when former girlfriends Kevin O'Neill and Rick Majerus left, crapped on MU or left them in a lurch, why the same bitterness didn't come to the surface.  The same hatred.  That same little voice.  Go figure.

LOL


Because neither of those guys have artificial personalities formed through reading leadership books.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on February 26, 2010, 11:39:16 AM
Because neither of those guys have artificial personalities formed through reading leadership books.


So you're not mad if a coach screws MU, you only get mad because you just don't like the guy?
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: lurch91 on February 26, 2010, 11:40:04 AM
If we're talking Indiana basketball, I'll only say this;

TC will clean up the mess that was left him, but in 2-3 years a new coach will need to be hired to win the alumni (and state back over).  By the way, that coach is prowling the sideline at Texas Tech.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 26, 2010, 11:43:05 AM
How many internet forums were around then?  My guess is probably not many.

Prodigy....a lot of us here were on the Marquette forums back then in the early 1990's.

But, yes, I agree, not many.

As for the idea that Knight's son is going to be the next IU coach.  OMG I can't stop laughing at that one.  WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Alford is more likely than that ever happening.  Alford's got a top ten team right now, but of course many on this board and the other board lambasted him for years as well.  The strange thing about coaching is that you can look like a genius hire for a few years (Steve Lavin, Kevin O'Neill, Dave Laito, etc) and end up on the trash heep very quickly.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 26, 2010, 11:46:15 AM
I thought it was most interesting that TC got a standing ovation for getting the Technical.  I didn't see it until this morning but they just showed it on ESPN. 
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: MR.HAYWARD on February 26, 2010, 11:46:57 AM

Only really bitter people act this way.  Sorry, I don't have that much bitterness.    Of course, I've always wondered why when former girlfriends Kevin O'Neill and Rick Majerus left, crapped on MU or left them in a lurch, why the same bitterness didn't come to the surface.  The same hatred.  That same little voice.  Go figure.

LOL






wow what a simple question to answer ...becuase they were not f'ing pricks.  Yes Oneill and Majerus left us in alurch just like Tc did.  the difference is TC was a scumbag prick without a likebale bone in his body.  majerus and Oneill although rough on the exterior were at least to me generally likeable people.  I hated Crean never hated Majerus or Oneil, while they were here, when they left, or since.    
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: The Pickle on February 26, 2010, 11:47:54 AM
Hard to believe TC using such bad language after this rant.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dasj3L4m8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0dasj3L4m8)



What a hypocrite...
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on February 26, 2010, 11:49:32 AM

wow what a simple question to answer ...becuase they were not f'ing pricks.  Yes Oneill and Majerus left us in alurch just like Tc did.  the difference is TC was a scumbag prick without a likebale bone in his body.  majerus and Oneill although rough on the exterior were at least to me generally likeable people.  I hated Crean never hated Majerus or Oneil, while they were here, when they left, or since.    

Again, it's about about "liking" a guy for some of you?

Buzz Williams could walk out on his team tomorrow night*, and you wouldn't hate him like you hate TC.

That just seems crazy to me.


*Yes, I'm aware Buzz is a high character guy and wouldn't do that.. blah blah blah
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: The Pickle on February 26, 2010, 11:50:04 AM
I thought it was most interesting that TC got a standing ovation for getting the Technical.  I didn't see it until this morning but they just showed it on ESPN. 

That's cuz he has all the Hoosier fans snowed just like he did at MU...
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: RJax55 on February 26, 2010, 11:57:19 AM
Alford is more likely than that ever happening.  Alford's got a top ten team right now, but of course many on this board and the other board lambasted him for years as well.  

Rightly so... Alford is a complete scumbag. The way he handled the Pierre Pierce situation was sad and disgusting.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: gumbyandpokey on February 26, 2010, 12:07:11 PM

wow what a simple question to answer ...becuase they were not f'ing pricks.  Yes Oneill and Majerus left us in alurch just like Tc did.  the difference is TC was a scumbag prick without a likebale bone in his body.  majerus and Oneill although rough on the exterior were at least to me generally likeable people.  I hated Crean never hated Majerus or Oneil, while they were here, when they left, or since.    

Kevin O'Neill was just as unlikable as Tom Crean, if not more so.  Crean had a gigantic ego and liked to flaunt his popularity and status at MU every chance he got.  But O'Neill was just a flat out vile, mean guy at times.  As I mentioned on a previous thread, his treatment of guys like Logterman was fodder for many discussions among coaches of other sports teams at MU.

Crean was the kind of guy, who at a wedding, would just sit in his chair (desperately wanting to be noticed) and wait for people to come up and fawn over him like he was king.   He was a prick and a dork and a jerk, but in a really nerdy way.

Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 26, 2010, 12:11:54 PM

Crean was the kind of guy, who at a wedding, would just sit in his chair (desperately wanting to be noticed) and wait for people to come up and fawn over him like he was king.


That's what I do, too
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: avid1010 on February 26, 2010, 12:22:02 PM
I thought it was most interesting that TC got a standing ovation for getting the Technical.  I didn't see it until this morning but they just showed it on ESPN. 

What I find most interesting is that TC had to go that route in his second year.  He can only play that card so often, and the comments he made afterwards were desperate.  "I want five guys that are willing to fight with me."  So he's saying he can't get his team to play hard? I think it shows he's feeling the pressure, and the fact that he did it when the next game they play is against Iowa makes his thought process obvious.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: MUfan12 on February 26, 2010, 12:23:28 PM
My first thought last night was that the guy got maybe 2 technicals in 9 seasons at MU, and picked up 2 in 30 seconds last night.

Sure seemed like a desperation move to me.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: MR.HAYWARD on February 26, 2010, 12:30:20 PM
Again, it's about about "liking" a guy for some of you?

Buzz Williams could walk out on his team tomorrow night*, and you wouldn't hate him like you hate TC.

That just seems crazy to me.


*Yes, I'm aware Buzz is a high character guy and wouldn't do that.. blah blah blah


I am not saying Buzz is a high character guy and would not leave.  in fact i 100% honestly beleive if say bill Self or Rick Barnes decided to walk away from the game this offseason and if they offered the job to Buzz that Buzz would take it.  And I would not hold that aginst Buzz one iota.  just as I had no real problem with crean taking the IU job.  I cannot blame Crean or any other coach out there form wanting a jon like Texas, kansas, or IU. 

Tom crean leaving for the Iu job is not even on my list of why i think he is a despicable scumbag or why i hated him. 

Just the same I questioned why Oneill left for tennesee but i did not hate him for it he thought it was better opportuntiy cannot hate him for that.  Same with majerus i thought he was too young for the job and put far to much pressure on himself to succeed in his mentors shadows.  i also think of some of his 1 point losses in 83-84? had fallen our way he would have been at MU a long time and been very successful.  Like both of those guys, hated crean, thought he was terrible for our Univeristy in so many ways, i also thought he grossly under acheived in 7 of his 9 years including his last 5. 
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: martyconlonontherun on February 26, 2010, 12:49:21 PM
Can't say I'm familiar with how Majerus and O'Neill left. Did they get a big offer and leave? Did the University try to make a decent counter? My problem with Crean is, IIRC, he got the University to restructure his contract twice and had stated multiple times that he wanted to stay at MU.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 26, 2010, 12:50:26 PM
Had Joe Wolf chosen MU over UNC, there's a good chance Rick would still be the head coach here. Just a fact.
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: mu-rara on February 26, 2010, 12:55:07 PM
Had Joe Wolf chosen MU over UNC, there's a good chance Rick would still be the head coach here. Just a fact.

Amen brother.  Talk about hatred.  Joe Wolf was hated.  Rick was hated.  (We were glad to be rid of him at the time)
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: butchbadger on February 26, 2010, 01:01:59 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on Today at 11:46:15 AM
I thought it was most interesting that TC got a standing ovation for getting the Technical.  I didn't see it until this morning but they just showed it on ESPN. 


Being the PR and self promoting is what Crean is best at this was a shining moment for him. Your team is laying an egg, down by 32 at home, the crowd is restless and what do you do?

Get kicked out of the game, act like a petulant 2 year old and turn the spotlight from yourself and your God-awful team to the refs. Make the refs the bad guys. And I think it worked. For a couple minutes the crowd booed the refs and shouted Crean's name. 

But in the end Crean got demolished twice in a couple weeks by the coach and team he hates the most.  He saved John Harbaugh's riveting speech for the Badgers.    :D

I wonder if the bloom is off the Rose at IU yet?
Title: Re: Tom Crean Just Got Ejected
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 26, 2010, 03:23:53 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on Today at 11:46:15 AM
I thought it was most interesting that TC got a standing ovation for getting the Technical.  I didn't see it until this morning but they just showed it on ESPN. 


Being the PR and self promoting is what Crean is best at this was a shining moment for him. Your team is laying an egg, down by 32 at home, the crowd is restless and what do you do?

Get kicked out of the game, act like a petulant 2 year old and turn the spotlight from yourself and your God-awful team to the refs. Make the refs the bad guys. And I think it worked. For a couple minutes the crowd booed the refs and shouted Crean's name. 

But in the end Crean got demolished twice in a couple weeks by the coach and team he hates the most.  He saved John Harbaugh's riveting speech for the Badgers.    :D

I wonder if the bloom is off the Rose at IU yet?

A Badger\Bo Ryan fan evoking a coach's actions to the refs.  Priceless.