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Title: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: flash on February 23, 2010, 01:04:27 PM
I was thinking about who i would put on my all decade team and this is what i came up with.

Starters
1- Travis Diener
2- Dwyane Wade
3- Lazar Hayward
4- Steve Novak
5- Robert Jackson

Bench
Jerel Mcneal
Wesley Matthews
Dominic James
Odartey Blankson
Kordell Henery
Scott Merrit
Todd Townsend

I must admit I dont know many players from before 2002.

Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: reinko on February 23, 2010, 01:06:24 PM
I don't want any quitters on the decade team. 


ODB out.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: NYWarrior on February 23, 2010, 01:09:34 PM
I was thinking about who i would put on my all decade team and this is what i came up with.

Starters
1- Travis Diener
2- Dwyane Wade
3- Lazar Hayward
4- Steve Novak
5- Robert Jackson

Bench
Jerel Mcneal
Wesley Matthews
Dominic James
Odartey Blankson
Kordell Henery
Scott Merrit
Todd Townsend

I must admit I dont know many players from before 2002.

Your thoughts?

Brian Wardle is not in the top 12?  Has to be an oversight.  Todd Townsend does not belong on that list.

The Top 5 are solid.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: wyoMUfan on February 23, 2010, 01:09:42 PM
jerel is the programs all time leading scorer, he has to be a starter....

Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: larrym on February 23, 2010, 01:11:08 PM
I was thinking about who i would put on my all decade team and this is what i came up with.

Starters
1- Travis Diener
2- Dwyane Wade
3- Lazar Hayward
4- Steve Novak
5- Robert Jackson

Bench
Jerel Mcneal
Wesley Matthews
Dominic James
Odartey Blankson
Kordell Henery
Scott Merrit
Todd Townsend

I must admit I dont know many players from before 2002.

Your thoughts?


I would put Brian Wardell on there.  Probably Oluma Nnamaka too.  If I had to knock two off that list in order to do that, it would be ODB and Townsend.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: NYWarrior on February 23, 2010, 01:11:31 PM
jerel is the programs all time leading scorer, he has to be a starter....



Would u start him over Wade?  Not a chance.  Wade owns the 2G slot, tough luck for 'Rel.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: GGGG on February 23, 2010, 01:14:13 PM
I was thinking about who i would put on my all decade team and this is what i came up with.

Starters
1- Travis Diener
2- Dwyane Wade
3- Lazar Hayward
4- Steve Novak
5- Robert Jackson


3- Steve Novak
4- Lazar Hayward

Those are the positions they basically played.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Ahoya06 on February 23, 2010, 01:14:47 PM
There was a similar discussion on Homer's show right around new years. They did an MU starting 5, and tried to put one together for UW. A matchup between the two would likely result in a laughable blowout in our favor.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: APieperFan3 on February 23, 2010, 01:17:03 PM
Heres my starting lineup...small...but ridiculously talented offensively

1. Travis Diener
2. Jerel Mcneal
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Steve Novak
5. Lazar Hayward

Robert Jackson
Dominic James
Brian Wardle
Wesley Mathews
Olouma Nnamaka (sp?)
Scott Merritt (in the doghouse)
Cordell Henry

Walk On: Rob Hanley
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: mosarsour on February 23, 2010, 01:19:02 PM
A no brainer IMHO...

Starters
1- Travis Diener
2- Dwyane Wade
3- Steve Novak
4- Lazar Hayward
5- Robert Jackson

Bench
Wesley Matthews
Jerel McNeal
Dominic James
Brian Wardle
Olouma Nnamaka
Cordell Henry
Scott Merritt
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on February 23, 2010, 01:42:05 PM
I love doing these.

Here is my team

1-Diener
2-Wade
3-Novak
4-Lazar
5-Jackson

Bench:
McNeal
Matthews
James
Wardle
Henry
Nnamaka
Merritt
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 23, 2010, 01:44:33 PM
I can't decide if I'd start three guards with Wes or start Lazar.

1. Travis Diener
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Wes Mathews
4. Steve Novak
5. Robert Jackson

Lazar Hayward
Jerel McNeal
Dominic James
Brian Wardle
Olouma Nnamaka
Cordell Henry

Walk On: Rob Hanley
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: HoopsMalone on February 23, 2010, 01:49:14 PM
who coaches?


Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 23, 2010, 01:50:59 PM
Tom Crean

Buzz Williams
Darrin Horn
Jerry Sichting
Dale Layer

Director of BBall Operations: Todd Townsend

I'm sure I'm missing some assistants right now.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: reinko on February 23, 2010, 02:06:49 PM
Tom Crean

Buzz Williams
Darrin Horn
Jerry Sichting
Dale Layer

Director of BBall Operations: Todd Townsend

I'm sure I'm missing some assistants right now.

Wardle; player/coach?
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: APieperFan3 on February 23, 2010, 02:10:04 PM
Tom Crean

Buzz Williams
Darrin Horn
Jerry Sichting
Dale Layer

Director of BBall Operations: Todd Townsend

I'm sure I'm missing some assistants right now.

GREAT call on Darrin Horn/Jerry Sichting Titan!!

Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: HoopsMalone on February 23, 2010, 02:17:01 PM
I was thinking about who i would put on my all decade team and this is what i came up with.

Starters
1- Travis Diener
2- Dwyane Wade
3- Lazar Hayward
4- Steve Novak
5- Robert Jackson

Bench
Jerel Mcneal
Wesley Matthews
Dominic James
Odartey Blankson
Kordell Henery
Scott Merrit
Todd Townsend

I must admit I dont know many players from before 2002.

Your thoughts?

It would have been fun to see Lazar and Novak in their senior years play with Wade.    Let Wade create with Novak and Diener and Lazar as three point threats.  Wow. 

We might want to put Barro on there for some depth at big over Todd Townsend. 
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: MR.HAYWARD on February 23, 2010, 02:28:17 PM
Todd Townsend?   Good kid but did he even ever score 8 points  agme.  he was on some pretty average teams that could have really used another scorer and most of what i remeber was a really really lose dribble, decent defense and a very wayward shot.  good kid not a very good player.  Starter for Mu's 2003 team becuase an extremely short bench.   I would take Jimmy butler over TT in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 23, 2010, 02:29:59 PM
Why in the world would anybody put Todd Townsend on an all decade team? Seriously. The year after the FF, he was glued to the bench and his senior year he wasn't much better.

Joe Chapman was a much better player than Todd Townsend.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: 🏀 on February 23, 2010, 02:30:59 PM

Director of BBall Operations: Todd Townsend


Are there plenty of basketball office girls for him to knock-up on this Decade Team?
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 23, 2010, 02:33:47 PM
Head Coach: Tom Crean

Assistant Coach: Buzz Williams
Assistant Coach: Darrin Horn
Assistant Coach: Jerry Sichting
Assistant Coach: Dale Layer

Director of Basketball Operations: Todd Townsend

1: Travis Diener
2: Dwyane Wade
3: Wes Mathews
4: Steve Novak
5: Robert Jackson

Bench: Lazar Hayward
Bench: Jerel McNeal
Bench: Dominic James
Bench: Brian Wardle
Bench: Olouma Nnamaka
Bench: Cordell Henry

Walk On: Rob Hanley

Commentator: Jim McIlvaine
Commentator: George Thompson

Online Forum: MUScoop.com

Athletic Director: Bill Cords
Associate Athletic Director: Jim Nasiopulos
Assistant Athletic Director/Marketing & Sales: Craig Pintens
Marketing Intern: Brian Bowsher
Marketing Intern: Ben Simon
Marketing Intern: Creighton Macy
Head Spirit Squad Coach: Mary Larkin

Mascot: TallTitan34
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Ari Gold on February 23, 2010, 02:35:37 PM
I like TT's depth but can we give Jamil Lott some love?
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Skatastrophy on February 23, 2010, 02:38:15 PM
1. Tony Gries
2. Pat Duffy
3. Jared Sichting
4. Tommy Brice
5. Rob Frozena
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 23, 2010, 02:39:11 PM
Sichting only made it because his dad was an NBA coach.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: 🏀 on February 23, 2010, 02:51:20 PM
Head Coach: Tom Crean

Assistant Coach: Buzz Williams
Assistant Coach: Darrin Horn
Assistant Coach: Jerry Sichting
Assistant Coach: Dale Layer

Director of Basketball Operations: Todd Townsend

1: Travis Diener
2: Dwyane Wade
3: Wes Mathews
4: Steve Novak
5: Robert Jackson

Bench: Lazar Hayward
Bench: Jerel McNeal
Bench: Dominic James
Bench: Brian Wardle
Bench: Olouma Nnamaka
Bench: Cordell Henry

Walk On: Rob Hanley

Commentator: Jim McIlvaine
Commentator: George Thompson

Online Forum: MUScoop.com

Athletic Director: Bill Cords
Associate Athletic Director: Jim Nasiopulos
Assistant Athletic Director/Marketing & Sales: Craig Pintens
Marketing Intern: Brian Bowsher
Marketing Intern: Ben Simon
Marketing Intern: Creighton Macy
Head Spirit Squad Coach: Mary Larkin

Mascot: TallTitan34

Smoothie Stand Operator: Terry Sanders
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: NYWarrior on February 23, 2010, 02:53:16 PM
I like TT's depth but can we give Jamil Lott some love?

No
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: wadesworld on February 23, 2010, 03:00:26 PM
Smoothie Stand Operator: Terry Sanders
+ a million.  So good
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on February 23, 2010, 03:05:10 PM
1- Dominic James
2- Dwyane Wade
3- Steve Novak
4- Lazar Hayward
5- Robert Jackson

Bench
Travis Diener
Jerel McNeal
Wes Matthews
Brian Wardle
Cordell Henry
Olouma Nnamaka

I picked James over Diener in spite of consensus on this board, and despite my mancrush on TD34 because I think the team already has enough perimeter threats in Novak and Hayward, and in that situation I would rather take James' athleticism and defense, especially if 'Rel is on the bench behind Wade.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Clarence on February 23, 2010, 03:07:40 PM
Starters

1. Dominic James
2. Dwyane Wade
3. Wes Matthews
4. Lazar Hayward
5. Robert Jackson

Bench

2. Jerel McNeal
1. Travis Diener
4. Steve Novak
2. Brian Wardle
2/3. Darius Johnson-Odom
4. Marcus Jackson
5. Scott Merrit

Buzz is coaching for sure.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 23, 2010, 03:34:02 PM
how bout a blue team and a gold team?

Blue:

Travis
McNeal
Jimmy F*ckin Butler
Hayward
R. Jackson

Subs:  DJO
          Wardle

Coach: Buzz


Gold:

DJ
DWade
Wesley
Novak
Ooze

Subs:  Cordell
          Nnamaka

Coach:  Crean

I'd take the Gold team, despite Crean's best efforts to F--- it up.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: The Man in Gold on February 23, 2010, 03:42:56 PM
"TC Dream Team"
Starters
PG- Marcus Jackson (Best Point Center ever!)
G- Niv Berkowitz
G- Carlton Christian
G- Matt Mortensen
F- Trevor Mbakwe

Bench
G- Karon Bradley
G- Dameon Mason
G- Brandon Bell
G- Scott Christopherson
F- Ryan Amoroso
C- Odartey Blankson

HC: Tom Crean
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Eye on February 23, 2010, 03:48:04 PM
Diener, Wade, McNeal, Novak, Jackson

James, Wardle, Matthews, Hayward, Merritt

Henry, Chapman, Townsend, Nnamaka, Barro
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: mugrad99 on February 23, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
"TC Dream Team"
Starters
PG- Marcus Jackson (Best Point Center ever!)
G- Niv Berkowitz
G- Carlton Christian
G- Matt Mortensen
F- Trevor Mbakwe

Bench
G- Karon Bradley
G- Dameon Mason
G- Brandon Bell
G- Scott Christopherson
F- Ryan Amoroso
C- Odartey Blankson

HC: Tom Crean

Exchange Roseboro for Marcus Jackson, and you've nailed it
Title: I googled Matt Mortensen
Post by: mugrad99 on February 23, 2010, 03:55:51 PM
This came up on his facebook page:

Matt Mortensen ...i have gave credit to tom crean every day of my life...by pleading w/ god every morning to help me not kill that crazy bastard...he should consider himself lucky...
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Lacrosse218 on February 23, 2010, 04:08:00 PM
Exchange Roseboro for Marcus Jackson, and you've nailed it

Roseboro was a Buzz recruit, I think The Man In Gold was going for all Crean recruits.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Ari Gold on February 23, 2010, 04:23:43 PM
No

Boo!
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: GoldenWarrior on February 23, 2010, 05:02:48 PM
A kid I loved that I don't think has been mentioned that I would CONSIDER (not necessarily have there) for the end of the bench...  Cordell Henry.  I think he was quite a talented little PG for us who often times gets lost in the mix of things at MU, but was a solid contributor overall in my opinion.

I don't know though, not over whelming numbers by any means, but I feel like his contributions went beyond the numbers if you follow me.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: wyoMUfan on February 23, 2010, 05:10:52 PM
Pat Duffey was a MONSTER on the intramural court.
Rob Hanley is a MONSTER on the beer pong table!

I'd Take Hanley for the off season
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: NYWarrior on February 23, 2010, 05:11:13 PM
Boo!

Ari, he sucked   ;)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=26972
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Ari Gold on February 23, 2010, 05:16:53 PM
Ari, he sucked   ;)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=26972

I was gonna suggest as a player coach, bench support role
Title: Re: I googled Matt Mortensen
Post by: tower912 on February 23, 2010, 05:24:37 PM
This came up on his facebook page:

Matt Mortensen ...i have gave credit to tom crean every day of my life...by pleading w/ god every morning to help me not kill that crazy bastard...he should consider himself lucky...


Someday, I hope we hear Matt's version of his time at MU.       Amo's, too. 
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Ready2Fly on February 23, 2010, 05:26:54 PM
Starters:

Diener
Wade
Matthews
Hayward
Jackson

James, McnNeal, Novak and Butler get heavy minutes off the bench with DJO, Merritt and Barro getting spot duty.

I would kill to watch that team play.


MPG:

Diener: 26
Wade: 30
Matthews: 26
Hayward: 26
Jackson: 28


James: 14
McNeal: 14
Novak: 14
Butler: 12

DJO: Instant offense

Merritt & Barro: insurance for when Jackson, Hayward, Novak and Butler are all in foul trouble
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: tower912 on February 23, 2010, 05:27:22 PM
"TC Dream Team"
Starters
PG- Marcus Jackson (Best Point Center ever!)
G- Niv Berkowitz
G- Carlton Christian
G- Matt Mortensen
F- Trevor Mbakwe

Bench
G- Karon Bradley
G- Dameon Mason
G- Brandon Bell
G- Scott Christopherson
F- Ryan Amoroso
C- Odartey Blankson

HC: Tom Crean


How can you leave off Kevin Menard, Ron Howard, and the man-child James Matthews?     Plus, give MJax some props.   He wasn't recruited to be a point center, but he did the best he could.  
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: dsfire on February 23, 2010, 05:37:03 PM
how bout a blue team and a gold team?

Blue:

Travis
McNeal
Jimmy F*ckin Butler
Hayward
R. Jackson

Subs:  DJO
          Wardle

Coach: Buzz


Gold:

DJ
DWade
Wesley
Novak
Ooze

Subs:  Cordell
          Nnamaka

Coach:  Crean

I'd take the Gold team, despite Crean's best efforts to F--- it up.
Think I'd actually take team Blue, even against Wade.  They've got a wider array of threats from 3 and Butler/Hayward/RJax would dominate the boards.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: CTWarrior on February 23, 2010, 05:38:04 PM
1.  Deiner
2.  McNeal
3.  Wade
4.  Novak
5.  Hayward

B.  Matthews
B.  James
B.  Wardle
B.  Merritt
B.  Henry
B.  Nnamaka
B.  Barro

Smallish starting 5, but I didn't want to pick RJax due to only one season.  Obviously many quality guards, not too much to choose from on the interior.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: jsglow on February 23, 2010, 08:34:11 PM
Heres my starting lineup...small...but ridiculously talented offensively

1. Travis Diener
2. Jerel Mcneal
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Steve Novak
5. Lazar Hayward

Robert Jackson
Dominic James
Brian Wardle
Wesley Mathews
Olouma Nnamaka (sp?)
Scott Merritt (in the doghouse)
Cordell Henry

Walk On: Rob Hanley



Thats my starting 5 too.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: MUfan12 on February 23, 2010, 08:57:08 PM
Glad someone put James as a starter. Scoring numbers are even, but Dominic's defense is more important than 3 point shooting. Here's mine-

PG- James, Diener, Henry
SG- Wade, McNeal, Wardle
SF- Novak, Matthews
PF- Hayward,  Nnamaka
C- Jackson, Merritt
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 23, 2010, 09:41:37 PM
Smoothie Stand Operator: Terry Sanders


Dude to walk old season ticket holders to mid-court:  Jack (I'm Tom's bitch) Harbaugh
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: MUfan12 on February 23, 2010, 09:43:41 PM
Here's one that may cause some debate... Marketing guy of the decade- Creighton Macy or Ben Simon?
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 23, 2010, 09:52:57 PM
how bout a blue team and a gold team?

Blue:

Travis
McNeal
Jimmy F*ckin Butler
Hayward
R. Jackson

Subs:  DJO
          Wardle

Coach: Buzz


Gold:

DJ
DWade
Wesley
Novak
Ooze

Subs:  Cordell
          Nnamaka

Coach:  Crean

I'd take the Gold team, despite Crean's best efforts to F--- it up.

Don't you think it's cold to make Wes for Crean?
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: jmd1914 on February 23, 2010, 09:55:51 PM
"TC Dream Team"
Starters
PG- Marcus Jackson (Best Point Center ever!)
G- Niv Berkowitz
G- Carlton Christian
G- Matt Mortensen
F- Trevor Mbakwe

Bench
G- Karon Bradley
G- Dameon Mason
G- Brandon Bell
G- Scott Christopherson
F- Ryan Amoroso
C- Odartey Blankson

HC: Tom Crean



Pretty good, but I would put Jeronne Maymon in there with his dad as an assistant with Buzz. we would have a pretty heated bench with those 2.
Title: Re: I googled Matt Mortensen
Post by: 77ncaachamps on February 23, 2010, 10:31:14 PM
This came up on his facebook page:

Matt Mortensen ...i have gave credit to tom crean every day of my life...by pleading w/ god every morning to help me not kill that crazy bastard...he should consider himself lucky...


Man, I was going to call your BS so I Googled him.

His FB page had a comment by a certain Amoroso (brother?)...from MN.
Who was also a friend of a certain Novak married to another certain Novak.

WTF...crazy how they all "stay in touch" despite the circumstances...

So forgive me for doubting you...LOL!
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: MUBurrow on February 23, 2010, 10:39:50 PM
i'm not going to pretend to be knowledgeable enough about the first couple years of the decade to compile a team, but i do have a question/philosophical concern.

it may seem like blasphemy, but is it unequivocally wrong to say I would be inclined to put jerel at the 2 over d-wade?  I mean, I appreciate the contributions of wade as much as anyone, but Jerel is the leading scorer in the history of the program.  he stayed for all 4 years.  as far as Marquette careers, his ranks as one of the best of all time.  so does Wade's of course, but without consideration for the player Wade went on to become, I think its closer than unanimous.   

It also goes without saying that this is based on the evaluation of the careers without consideration for the quality of the play/actual game of basketball considerations.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: flash on February 23, 2010, 10:40:27 PM
As much as i like Jerel, I have to go with Wade.  Even though Jerel is the all time leading scorer, Wade put a stamp on Marquette basketball history more so than Jerel.  He is probably the best player ever to put on a Marquette uniform.  If Wade played 4 years he would have shattered the scoring record and we would probably have a few more NCAA tournament victories.  Wade should be a unanimous selection for the shooting guard for the MU all decade team.  Perhaps if the line up included three guards I would go with Diener, Wade, and Jerel followed by Novak and Jackson
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: mugrad2006 on February 23, 2010, 10:46:52 PM
Smoothie Stand Operator: Terry Sanders

Unofficial Team Mascot: Freeway  (with a hat tip to the Jump Around Guy)
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Lennys Tap on February 23, 2010, 10:54:16 PM
i'm not going to pretend to be knowledgeable enough about the first couple years of the decade to compile a team, but i do have a question/philosophical concern.

it may seem like blasphemy, but is it unequivocally wrong to say I would be inclined to put jerel at the 2 over d-wade?  I mean, I appreciate the contributions of wade as much as anyone, but Jerel is the leading scorer in the history of the program.  he stayed for all 4 years.  as far as Marquette careers, his ranks as one of the best of all time.  so does Wade's of course, but without consideration for the player Wade went on to become, I think its closer than unanimous.   

It also goes without saying that this is based on the evaluation of the careers without consideration for the quality of the play/actual game of basketball considerations.

 It's not unequivocally wrong to say that you would be inclined to put McNeal over Wade at the 2 since you just did. You would, however, be unequivocally wrong in doing so.

By the way, how does one evaluate a basketball career without considering the player's quality of play?
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: MUBurrow on February 24, 2010, 12:23:06 AM
i just meant that i wasnt talking about building an all decade team as if they would actually play on the court, more of an honorary hall of fame type thing
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Chili on February 24, 2010, 07:51:26 AM
i just meant that i wasnt talking about building an all decade team as if they would actually play on the court, more of an honorary hall of fame type thing

Exactly. You are talking about a guy who was a no brainier number retirement in Wade (take out the graduating part) to a guy you will get debate from in Jerel.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: MUBurrow on February 24, 2010, 08:38:07 AM
the fact that he put the ball in the hoop more times than anyone else to ever wear the jersey just sticks in my head in some sort of very basic way i guess.  i know its an overly simplistic way of looking at things, but when i see Rel on the bench, it just keeps blaring in my head.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Skatastrophy on February 24, 2010, 08:57:46 AM
the fact that he put the ball in the hoop more times than anyone else to ever wear the jersey just sticks in my head in some sort of very basic way i guess.  i know its an overly simplistic way of looking at things, but when i see Rel on the bench, it just keeps blaring in my head.

McNeal played for 4 years and had just under 2k points.  DWade played for two years and had 1281 points.  DWade was clearly the more adept scorer.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Chili on February 24, 2010, 09:06:11 AM
the fact that he put the ball in the hoop more times than anyone else to ever wear the jersey just sticks in my head in some sort of very basic way i guess.  i know its an overly simplistic way of looking at things, but when i see Rel on the bench, it just keeps blaring in my head.

By that logic Craig Biggio is a sure fire HOF in baseball, which he is not. The way the game has changed benefited McNeal in a big way and allowed him to put up bigger numbers than those in the rafters.

First off, McNeal was never a 1st Team All-American, Wade was (his soph/junior) year. That alone should make you go, hmmmm - that Wade cat might be better that McNeal.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: NYWarrior on February 24, 2010, 09:21:11 AM
By that logic Craig Biggio is a sure fire HOF in baseball, which he is not.

That's a poor compare because Biggio is a sure-fire HOFer.  3,060 hits,  668 doubles (5th all-time), 1175 RBI, 414 steals.  More importantly his OPS+ was 111 despite playing the majority of his home games in one of the most pitcher friendly parks of all-time (and his OBP was outstanding -- better than Sandberg or Kent).

Baseball can wait though  ;D  
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Chili on February 24, 2010, 09:33:26 AM
That's a poor compare because Biggio is a sure-fire HOFer.  3,060 hits,  668 doubles (5th all-time), 1175 RBI, 414 steals.  More importantly his OPS+ was 111 despite playing the majority of his home games in one of the most pitcher friendly parks of all-time (and his OBP was outstanding -- better than Sandberg or Kent).

Baseball can wait though  ;D  

We can take this debate elsewhere but I disagree. Oh what makes baseball great.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: reinko on February 24, 2010, 09:36:20 AM
By that logic Craig Biggio is a sure fire HOF in baseball, which he is not. The way the game has changed benefited McNeal in a big way and allowed him to put up bigger numbers than those in the rafters.

First off, McNeal was never a 1st Team All-American, Wade was (his soph/junior) year. That alone should make you go, hmmmm - that Wade cat might be better that McNeal.

Sorry for the nitpick, but Wade was not first team all american his soph. year.

Honorable-mention All-America selection by the Associated Press ... Named by Basketball Times as that publication's Newcomer of the Year ... Also chosen as a Second-Team All-American by Basketball Times ... Third-Team All-America honoree as chosen by The Sporting News

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/wade_dwyane02.html

Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Aughnanure on February 24, 2010, 10:01:13 AM
We can take this debate elsewhere but I disagree. Oh what makes baseball great.

I'm sorry, but there is no debate. 3,000+ hits gets you into the HOF every time.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Chili on February 24, 2010, 10:09:15 AM
Sorry for the nitpick, but Wade was not first team all american his soph. year.

Honorable-mention All-America selection by the Associated Press ... Named by Basketball Times as that publication's Newcomer of the Year ... Also chosen as a Second-Team All-American by Basketball Times ... Third-Team All-America honoree as chosen by The Sporting News

http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/wade_dwyane02.html



Sorry, should clarify, Sophomore year basketball wise Junior year Academically. My bad.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Clarence on February 24, 2010, 10:11:25 AM
I'm sorry, but there is no debate. 3,000+ hits gets you into the HOF every time.

+1
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on February 24, 2010, 10:17:41 AM
That's a poor compare because Biggio is a sure-fire HOFer.  3,060 hits,  668 doubles (5th all-time), 1175 RBI, 414 steals.  More importantly his OPS+ was 111 despite playing the majority of his home games in one of the most pitcher friendly parks of all-time (and his OBP was outstanding -- better than Sandberg or Kent).

Baseball can wait though  ;D  

I don't care how goofy Biggio looked with his oversized helmet, he was an all star as both a catcher and a second baseman.  He also played a decent centerfield.  He may not be first ballot, but he's in the HOF at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 24, 2010, 10:19:02 AM
The problem with Biggio is that there are very strong whispers about both he and Bagwell using PEDs. His numbers are no-brainers, but so are Sammy Sosa's.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 24, 2010, 10:21:51 AM
Sarcasm?  I've heard of Bagwell possibly using PEDs but never Biggio.  It didn't even look like Biggio ate his Wheaties much less use PEDs.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Ready2Fly on February 24, 2010, 10:31:35 AM
Sarcasm?  I've heard of Bagwell possibly using PEDs but never Biggio.  It didn't even look like Biggio ate his Wheaties much less use PEDs.

Biggio's forearms looked absolutely gigantic by the end of his career, and he avoided the steep drop-off that most players see in their late 30's.  Innocent or not, those kinds of things make you wonder about anyone who played in the steroid era, and that's why the steroid era sucks looking back.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on February 24, 2010, 10:33:14 AM
threadjack?
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Ready2Fly on February 24, 2010, 11:16:06 AM
Glad someone put James as a starter. Scoring numbers are even, but Dominic's defense is more important than 3 point shooting. Here's mine-

PG- James, Diener, Henry
SG- Wade, McNeal, Wardle
SF- Novak, Matthews
PF- Hayward,  Nnamaka
C- Jackson, Merritt

I love James, and I think he was a better fit for the team he played on (in real life) than Diener would have been.  That team was built on athleticism and pressure D from the guards.  However, for the all-decade team I think Diener would be a better fit.  We've seen first hand this year how devastating an inside-out game/drive and kick for the three pointer can be.  Imagine this starting lineup:

Diener at point
Wade at 2G
Matthews at 2G/SF
Hayward at PF
Jackson at C

I think that line-up would be the most cohesive.  Against man defense, Diener would be able to allow Wade and Matthews to slash to the hoop, creating dish-off opportunities to Jackson on the block or Hayward in the short corner.  The kick-out options for Wade as he drove to the hoop would be Hayward, Matthews, and Diener, all deadly with their feet set and in rhythm.  Against a zone, there are two players tailor made to flash to the middle in Hayward and Matthews, and three players that can that can hit the zone-busting three in Hayward, Matthews, and Diener.  On the fast break, I don't think anything more needs to be said about Diener at point with Wade and Matthews on the wing.

Rebounding-wise, Jackson and Hawyard would own the boards, and Wade and Matthews were both above-average rebounders for their position.


Defensively, Jackson could guard true C's, Hayward for sure a 4, Matthews a 2 or 3, Wade a 2 or 3, and Diener the 1.  The only player that wouldn't be an above-average defender is Diener, but his strengths in other areas more than make up for it.

McNeal would be a super sub for Wade and Matthews, with Wade sliding over and guarding the 3 when they're in the game at the same time.  The only reason I have Matthews in the starting line up ahead of McNeal is that there is already a player to force the issue on offense in Wade, wheras Matthews took more advantage of situations as they came to him, which would be pleantiful with this lineup.  Plus he's better option to guard the 3.

I would bring in James and Novak at the same time for Diener and Hayward, and they would play all of their minutes together.  I'm not sure if any two players' skill sets complemented each other better in the last decade.  James is a better defender and penetrator than Diener but not as good of an outside shooter, and it's splitting hairs on passing but I'll give James the slight edge.  James would also FINALLY have a big man in Jackson to dump it down to off of penetration.

Butler would be another super sub at the 3/4.  He was PERFECT in that role at the end of last year.

DJO would be used sparingly if we were in dire need of instant offense, in a similar but lesser role that Novak played freshman year.

Barro and Merritt would be insurance policies for frontcourt foul trouble/injuries.

Also, I picked Hayward to start at PF because his rebounding and defense are superior to Novak's, and his drop-off in 3p shooting isn't as dramatic in comparison, especially at the 4 spot.





I will now spend the rest of the day dreaming about that team.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: flash on February 24, 2010, 12:18:18 PM
wow... very impressive, I see you put a lot of thougt into this. 
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: MDMU04 on February 24, 2010, 12:51:10 PM
Here's a depth chart for my all 00's team

1 - Diener, James, Henry
2 - Wade, McNeal, Wardle
3 - Hayward, Matthews, Townsend (2003 vintage)
4 - Jackson, Novak
5 - Merritt

That's a pretty solid team right there.  

Think about a lineup with Diener, Wade, Hayward, Novak and Jackson on the court at the same time.  A real-life aircraft carrier down low...two players that could get to the basket whenever they need to, and three that are absolutely deadly from behind the arc.  Spread the court out and go to the basket, bang down low with Jackson, or drive and kick.  These guys would score a little.

Need some D?  A lineup of McNeal/James, Wade, Hayward, Jackson and Merritt would look pretty good.  With that back-court and Hayward at the 3, I'm not sure how often the ball would get past the free-throw line.  They could also play a pretty mean 2-3 with that lineup.
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: Badgerhater on February 24, 2010, 12:54:13 PM
Although I Nnamaka was a favorite player of mine while he was here.  He play some of his years in the 1990s and on some bad teams that played in the CUSA.

If Jimmy Butler repeats next year what he is doing this year against BE competition, then he bumps Nnamaka off the list.

Also, can you imagine Butler cleaning up the offensive glass after Wade?
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: reinko on February 24, 2010, 12:57:28 PM
Here's a depth chart for my all 00's team

1 - Diener, James, Henry
2 - Wade, McNeal, Wardle
3 - Hayward, Matthews, Townsend (2003 vintage) James F'in Butler
4 - Jackson, Novak
5 - Merritt

That's a pretty solid team right there.  

Think about a lineup with Diener, Wade, Hayward, Novak and Jackson on the court at the same time.  A real-life aircraft carrier down low...two players that could get to the basket whenever they need to, and three that are absolutely deadly from behind the arc.  Spread the court out and go to the basket, bang down low with Jackson, or drive and kick.  These guys would score a little.

Need some D?  A lineup of McNeal/James, Wade, Hayward, Jackson and Merritt would look pretty good.  With that back-court and Hayward at the 3, I'm not sure how often the ball would get past the free-throw line.  They could also play a pretty mean 2-3 with that lineup.

Fixed
Title: Re: Maquette All-Decade team
Post by: SqueallyDRyan on February 24, 2010, 01:33:22 PM
Here is mine:
Team "We Are Marquette"
PG: Travis Diener
SG: Dwyane Wade
SF: Steve Novak
PF: Lazar Hayward
C: Robert Jackson

Team "Fire Up Marquette It's The Second Half"
PG: Dominic James
SG: Jerel McNeal
SF: Brian Wardle
PF: Jimmy Butler
C: Scott Merritt

Cordell Henry and Wesley Matthews are standing by in case someone gets tired