?-(
please find someone better rather than complain.
he scored 30 last night, and can rebound.
6'6 220 is about 'Zar's height, and he will be a Junior next year. It balances the classes and gets a little more beef in the lineup.
perhaps we should look at this as Maymon's replacement... about the same body size, but with more experience... probably a lower cieling though.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 03, 2010, 10:09:42 AM
perhaps we should look at this as Maymon's replacement... about the same body size, but with more experience... probably a lower cieling though.
IDK, my current ceiling for JMay is pretty low, until he does something to show me otherwise. Maybe Pearl will try to mold him into Chism's replacement.
Jae Crowder .. next Warrior.
where can i find more information on him?
I have no problem with it. The guards will be improved next year, Butler will be great, Center will still be lacking, and we will have a couple of bigger guys to come off the bench (Erik, and Crowder)
Quote from: MU_B2002 on February 03, 2010, 10:11:38 AM
IDK, my current ceiling for JMay is pretty low, until he does something to show me otherwise. Maybe Pearl will try to mold him into Chism's replacement.
fair enough, but you're probably in the minority.
I'd take the potential of a 2x WI POY over the potential of a JUCO player any day... it was a comparison. ;)
Hopefully he is a David Boone type. If he is a legit 6'6" with a bangers attitude its a good signing.
Quote from: jhags15 on February 03, 2010, 10:12:01 AM
I have no problem with it. The guards will be improved next year, Butler will be great, Center will still be lacking, and we will have a couple of bigger guys to come off the bench (Erik, and Crowder)
Keep in mind Otule will be at Center next year - and he was showing A LOT of improvement over his freshman year. Furthermore, we'll have Otule for 2, maybe 3 more years. And maybe Mbao develops - the kid has great feet and hands for a 7'2" player. Hasheem Thabeet wasn't much of anything as a frosh. We have 3 scholarships open for 2011 - I predict Buzz will land at least 1 or 2 Top 100 Bigs (over 6'6" 215lbs) in that class. I'm perfectly happy with the signing of Crowder - I've heard he can really play..
There is still a chance that Buzz oversigns for this class if the right big comes along.
Quote from: DiperDandy on February 03, 2010, 10:18:41 AM
There is still a chance that Buzz oversigns for this class if the right big comes along.
No. It's too late and the "right big" isn't really out there. Who would you "encourage" transferring?
Would have rather seen a little more beef, but this kid might work out for next season. Jimmy is not going to come out of the game next year anyway. As long as Fulce, Mbao, and Otule can play center (Jimmy literally does not have the beef to do it at all), this signing can be an ok short term solution.
DJO will be an undersized SF, Jimmy an undersized PF and will hopefully both play almost the whole game next year anyway.
Really, really need some size in 2011.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 03, 2010, 10:17:31 AM
fair enough, but you're probably in the minority.
I'd take the potential of a 2x WI POY over the potential of a JUCO player any day... it was a comparison. ;)
I should have probably added that I am lacking when it comes to evaluating basketball talent, and frankly haven't paid much attention to MU's recruiting until I was referred to Scoop by a buddy last year. All I know about Jmay is what I have seen on the court while with MU, and what I have read on here. With that being said I may not have a good idea of his overall potential.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on February 03, 2010, 10:20:16 AM
Really, really need some size in 2011.
It's more like: Really, really need some size in
2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 03, 2010, 10:20:03 AM
No. It's too late and the "right big" isn't really out there. Who would you "encourage" transferring?
What about Maurice Walker. I know he is leaning towards Pitt but what if by some chance we could grab him. He seems to be the best center available.
Crowder's stats:
http://www.njcaa.org/colleges_college_player.cfm?sid=4&collegeid=1310&category=Roster&slid=2&teamid=92405&athleteid=284980
Doesn't seem to be the "banger" type with all the 3pt fgas.
Looks like he grew an inch and put on 13 lbs in the last year.
The link below mentions Crowder as a 2nd team NJCAA last year. Also, he is listed as a 6-5, 207lb Guard. ?-(
http://blogs.kansas.com/statecolleges/2009/04/10/njcaa-all-americans-djo-crowder-robben-yankova/
As much as I was hoping for a 6-10 banger, it looks like at this time of year, there aren't any good ones left that we are in on.
I guess I like this one. I just would have preferred a bigger player with Newbill's slot, someone like Otule that could take time to develop since we don't really need them for 2 years. But it's Buzz's call, not mine.
QuoteWhat about Maurice Walker. I know he is leaning towards Pitt but what if by some chance we could grab him. He seems to be the best center available.
We have no more scholarships. This is a short term solution and judging by the talent misevaluation of Roseboro, I'm interested to see who the next "big" MU gets is. This is a short term help, and essentially gives Buzz the selling point to bigs that they will get playing time and that we have the guards. Overall I support Buzz' decision to recruit Crowder.
looks (by his stats) he likes to hit the offensive glass.
He is a Georgia guy, a good amigo for Mr. Jones
Buzz is 3 for 3 on JUCOs who have made it to campus. He knows JUCO hoops in that part of the country and has an eye for JUCO talent that can compete at the BE level. He sounds like he can play right away, whereas a project big guy could not.
I anticipate he will contribute more than Lott or Kinsella and I like getting the classes towards being balanced. It is a stop gap recruit and hopefully one that turns out.
Maybe one of these guys is going to decide to pay their own way and play as a walk on, see Jarvis Varnado.
A guy can dream right... ;)
More dreads :D, Buycks and Crowder
The guy knows how to get it done in the classroom... That's a positive...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8RDFBfowdU
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 03, 2010, 10:24:35 AM
Crowder's stats:
http://www.njcaa.org/colleges_college_player.cfm?sid=4&collegeid=1310&category=Roster&slid=2&teamid=92405&athleteid=284980
Doesn't seem to be the "banger" type with all the 3pt fgas.
Am I reading his stats correctly that he is averaging 9.5 rebounds a game? Hopefully that will translate to 5 or 6 a game next season. Also averages 18 points.
Good sign. He really does remind me of Lazar as someone who can do a little bit of everything and is still growing into his body at a later stage. Once Todd gets a hold of him an throws 15 lbs of muscle on him I think he will work great for our system. We wont get that Top Big this year so quit crying...this evens out our scholarships.
Well, he has awesome hair.
(http://www.hchawk.com/components/com_gk2_photoslide/images/thumbm/95398724_Jae_Crowder.jpg)
FWIW, Midland College coach Ross Hodge "believes 6-foot-6 sophomore swingman Jae Crowder (16.7 ppg, 10 rpg) is the best player in the country."
http://www.mywesttexas.com/articles/2010/01/21/sports/top_stories/doc4b57e6f4e199f832976345.txt (http://www.mywesttexas.com/articles/2010/01/21/sports/top_stories/doc4b57e6f4e199f832976345.txt)
http://www.njcaa.org/Teams/mbasketball/2009-10/2009-10_MBB_DI_Preseason_AA.pdf
He looks like a player.
Quote from: Tigidal on February 03, 2010, 10:36:31 AM
The guy knows how to get it done in the classroom... That's a positive...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8RDFBfowdU
I'm thinking a lot of the full court press next year. So much depth at guards and a lot of long, agile, forwards. It could also be where Mbao is most effective.
He's supposedly got talent, and with four freshmen it's better to bring some experience at the college level in, even if it's JUCO. More concerned with having that experience than with balancing classes, which in reality is as lasting as trying to hold water in your hands. Hopefully if someone with decent size would emerge out of nowhere we can still get him. Either way, if Otule/Mbao get hurt or are completely useless next year there's no excuses like there was this year.
Quote from: TJ on February 03, 2010, 10:23:34 AM
It's more like: Really, really need some size in 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
This.
Quote from: damuts222 on February 03, 2010, 10:29:27 AM
We have no more scholarships. This is a short term solution and judging by the talent misevaluation of Roseboro, I'm interested to see who the next "big" MU gets is. This is a short term help, and essentially gives Buzz the selling point to bigs that they will get playing time and that we have the guards. Overall I support Buzz' decision to recruit Crowder.
If he would want to come here, there's no way having no more scholarships stops Buzz from signing a player like Walker and figuring it out later. He's said it himself even.
Quote from: 4thAndState on February 03, 2010, 10:37:57 AM
Am I reading his stats correctly that he is averaging 9.5 rebounds a game? Hopefully that will translate to 5 or 6 a game next season. Also averages 18 points.
I'll bet it translates to 5 or 6 minutes per game next season...
Quote from: GOMU1104 on February 03, 2010, 10:55:52 AM
http://www.njcaa.org/Teams/mbasketball/2009-10/2009-10_MBB_DI_Preseason_AA.pdf
6'7" now... Dude's having a growth spurt.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 03, 2010, 10:49:31 AM
Well, he has awesome hair.
(http://www.hchawk.com/components/com_gk2_photoslide/images/thumbm/95398724_Jae_Crowder.jpg)
Oh yeah...I've seen all I need to see. Sometimes you can tell just by looking at a guy. Love it.
2 inches and 20 pounds short of perfect. I like everything else about this signing. I just wish he was bigger. Right position, right stats, right makeup, right year of eligibility.
Renaldo Balkman anyone?
I think the guy is big enough. picture makes him look like he has a good build for banging. Jason Maxiell, Jeff Adrien and Hayward were/are effective big east PF's with similar size. Probably not as good as those guys, but I like the signing. Now we just pray that Otule and Mbao develop and stay healthy.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on February 03, 2010, 11:04:19 AM
Now we just pray that Otule and Mbao develop and stay healthy.
Precisely. We are going to be more Mizzou and Villanova than we are Georgetown and Syracuse. Sometimes its important to realize that the other teams have to match up with us as well, and it is beginningto look like that is going to be awfully tough to do - especially in light of the fact that 99% of the time, MU just plain plays harder/tougher than their opponents.
Crowder scores and rebounds...works for me.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on February 03, 2010, 10:20:16 AM
Would have rather seen a little more beef, but this kid might work out for next season. Jimmy is not going to come out of the game next year anyway. As long as Fulce, Mbao, and Otule can play center (Jimmy literally does not have the beef to do it at all), this signing can be an ok short term solution.
DJO will be an undersized SF, Jimmy an undersized PF and will hopefully both play almost the whole game next year anyway.
Really, really need some size in 2011.
I have no idea why anyone thinks that DJO is any sort of SF. He is a guard 100%.
Another article: http://www.americustimesrecorder.com/sports/local_story_122214658.html
Says he was the Georgia Junior College Athletic Association's Player of the Year last year. It also says that he was transferring to Northwest Florida State. I wonder how he ended up at Howard. Probably got a better offer with a better team.
Disclaimer: this is not a criticism of either Buzz or Crawford. Just idle curiosity. Like a lot of other people, I'd have preferred a 6'11" banger, but something tells me we're going to really like this kid.
Next year's team has the potential to be very up tempo and hopefully dunky.
Thumbs Down.
Plays the same position as Jamail Jones and Butler (and probably EWill, once he figures out how to play defense).
Seems like a good player - but next year will really depend on how Otule and Mbao develop this off season. If they can play - really play - next year, we could be ok. But, wow - we really really need some bigs. Forwards that are 6'9, a big center and the guards we have.
Then again, what do I know? We are playing much better this year than I ever anticipated. In Buzz we trust.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 03, 2010, 10:20:03 AM
It's too late and the "right big" isn't really out there.
Don't tell SJS that.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on February 03, 2010, 11:00:31 AM
Oh yeah...I've seen all I need to see. Sometimes you can tell just by looking at a guy. Love it.
The taller the hair, the taller the player. We need every inch, eh.
Quote from: Tigidal on February 03, 2010, 11:00:05 AM
6'7" now... Dude's having a growth spurt.
I say get him in th training room, poof up his hair, get him a little extra thick sole on his Nikes and let's call him 6'8" - and we'd all feel a lot better!
GO MARQUETTE!
David Boone was a 6'6", 215 great rebounder for us a while back. I'm OK with his size, as long as he's willing to board.
He does sound a lot like Lazaar with better hair.
Almost reminds me of Renaldo Balkman a little bit. Same size and the hair, wow!
If the guy can score and rebound in the post, who cares how tall he is? Look at Zar and Jimmy. He's skilled enough that he could start at the 4, provided he learns on defense.
As has been said before, there's not a lot of game-ready bigs around in the spring. As much as I would have loved to see a guy like Aziz Ndiaye come in, you're left with 3 centers in one class (provided Otule redshirts). Not ideal. The need for a 4 was a priority, and they might have gotten the best JUCO PF out there.
Also, a guy like that can create mismatches. Here's a thought- If you build your roster like every other BE team, you better have the same or better talent to beat them. And I, for one, don't think MU can land any big guy who can matchup with Cuse, Gtown, etc.... yet. I think Buzz is trying to create matchup problems by taking guys like Crowder.
The Rosiak article says he weighs 230 already.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 03, 2010, 11:18:43 AM
The taller the hair, the taller the player. We need every inch, eh.
I think we're on to something. Get this guy a 2-foot "do" and that's as good as any defense we'd get from an 8-foot center.
(Sorry for the MS-Paint job)
This appears to be our roster for next year. In my opinion it seems balanced:
C 6'10, 7'2 (COT, Mbao)
F 6'6, 6'6, 6'6, 6'7, 6'7 (Butler, Jones, Crowder, Fulce, Williams)
G 6'0, 6'1, 6'2, 6'3, 6'3, 6'4 (Smith, Cadougan, DJO, Buycks, Blue, DJN)
[EDIT: I'm an idiot, I forgot about Reggie]
you forgot about 6-1 45" verticle Reggie Smith.
Jump out o the gym Reggie! ;D
Quote from: TheButlerDidIt on February 03, 2010, 11:01:39 AM
Renaldo Balkman anyone?
Have you ever noticed that whenever our opponent has a player with hair like that they usually go off for 20+ pts and look like league MVP? Kind of reminds me of Balkman or the guy from UD last year.
Finally, we have one of those guys!
love this commitment. how many years of eligibility will he have at Marquette?
He's putting up 2.4 steals pergame. That seems pretty solid. Has to be pretty quick right?
Quote from: Shooter031 on February 03, 2010, 12:04:08 PM
love this commitment. how many years of eligibility will he have at Marquette?
2
Love the roster for next year. Deepest team i have ever seen at MU. Our roster NEXT year is just about identical to Nova's THIS year. they seem to be doing just fine the last year or two!
Midland College coach also called him a "swingman"...
Quote from: Man Clam Chow on February 03, 2010, 10:55:36 AM
FWIW, Midland College coach Ross Hodge "believes 6-foot-6 sophomore swingman Jae Crowder (16.7 ppg, 10 rpg) is the best player in the country."
Buycks' coach also believed he was a lock for the NBA...not even close so far.
Quote from: PE8983 on February 03, 2010, 12:09:11 PM
Midland College coach also called him a "swingman"...
His own coach sees it differently.
Quote from: damuts222 on February 03, 2010, 10:35:31 AM
More dreads :D, Buycks and Crowder
I don't know much about hair, but I'd call Buycks hair cornrows, not dreadlocks. And I think when he gets older he'll look back on the rows with embarrassment.
Does anyone know why he chose to go the JC route? Where was he rated as a HS Senior?
This guy will be a great addition! A lot of comments about not enough height, but considering he's running close to 6'7", and we're losing Lazar at 6'5", the height is an improvement. Throw one of our centers on the court, and as a team we're not so short!
I like his numbers as well. Puts up points from inside and out, gets rebounds. Nothing wrong with this guy (on paper). Would love to see him play, but something tells me Buzz knows better than most of us anyway!
Naysayers ... come back from the dark side ... get off the ledge!
fwiw, Rivals' Juco junction has him ranked #16 on their top 150 list:
http://jucojunction.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=2526
Quote from: war1980rior on February 03, 2010, 12:20:18 PM
This guy will be a great addition! A lot of comments about not enough height, but considering he's running close to 6'7", and we're losing Lazar at 6'5", the height is an improvement. Throw one of our centers on the court, and as a team we're not so short!
I like his numbers as well. Puts up points from inside and out, gets rebounds. Nothing wrong with this guy (on paper). Would love to see him play, but something tells me Buzz knows better than most of us anyway!
Naysayers ... come back from the dark side ... get off the ledge!
He will have the second most weight (Otule most) to throw around next year, unless Yous really starts eating some Twinkies. Slightly bigger than Lazar, but we'll see if he can play like it. Given that we would be lucky to have Otule and Yous not only be healthy but combine for 15 mpg, he's going to play as much five as four. And given that not every team has multiple talented 6'10" 260 lb. players to throw at us for 40 minutes we could be in worse shape.
Welcome to Marquette Mr. Crowder.....love the Midland, TX connection ;D
And just another example that you can't go down to the corner store and pick up quality bigs, as much as people on here implied that would be the case for the last 5 years. Need to land one some day, have success and then it can go from there, but it's not easy.
Yes baby!!! Crowder is big time!!!!
Buzz will keep looking to add another PF most likely....
and Crowder is a rebounder with skills.
So, it's arbitrary how I assigned it, but here is what is kind of happening.
Crowder replaces JMay
Jones replaces Lazar
Blue replaces Coobs
Smith replaces Acker
Newbill replaces Roseboro
Lose some beef and lots of intangibles going from Lazar to Jones. But Jones sounds like he is going to be a great player one day considering he can shoot 3s and can defend multiple positions.
Blue/Smith any day over Acker/Coobs. I am really starting to like how Acker and Cubillan are playing this year, but I am excited for these guys to come in and there is no doubt that they are upgrades.
Crowder replacing JMay could be a wash. Who knows.
Newbill replaces Roseboro is the MU dilemma. Do you take a project big or a talented guard? It sounds like Buzz would rather have a Newbill, so hopefully he is right.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 03, 2010, 12:46:47 PM
Welcome to Marquette Mr. Crowder.....love the Midland, TX connection ;D
And just another example that you can't go down to the corner store and pick up quality bigs, as much as people on here implied that would be the case for the last 5 years. Need to land one some day, have success and then it can go from there, but it's not easy.
If you check out the JucoJunction Site site which lists Crowder there are some 6'9" and above players still unsigned. I like the Crowder signing based on his size, his game and the fact that he adds class balance. Still a little surprised at the Newbill signing. Crowder and another low post would have been a decent trade for J May and Mitchell from a basketball standpoint. And they are still there to be had.
Yeah maybe there are some listed, but you never know what baggage those players come with. If Buzz chose this route there must be a reason for it.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on February 03, 2010, 01:28:52 PM
If you check out the JucoJunction Site site which lists Crowder there are some 6'9" and above players still unsigned. I like the Crowder signing based on his size, his game and the fact that he adds class balance. Still a little surprised at the Newbill signing. Crowder and another low post would have been a decent trade for J May and Mitchell from a basketball standpoint. And they are still there to be had.
Those rankings were done pre-season, and I am not sure if they ever update them. It would be nice if they were updated, but what can you do?
That being said, Crowder has been described as the best JUCO PF in the country, and his coach said had he waited awhile, more schools would have come calling.
He's player of the year for his conference.
Team height rests on the centers we have being able to contribute.
5 - 6'10 7'2
3/4 - 6'6 6'7 6'6 6'6 6'6
2 - 6'2 6'3
1 - 6'1 6'2 6'0
That really isn't a short of a team.
For all those quipping about his size, everyone would have been doing backflips if we had signed Jayvaugn Pinkston (6-6 and 220 according to Scout), who is "smaller" than Crowder.
I liken this to an experienced Pinkston and I like the pick up. Good work, Buzz, and welcome to MU Mr. Crowder.
Quote from: murambler on February 03, 2010, 02:18:03 PM
For all those quipping about his size, everyone would have been doing backflips if we had signed Jayvaugn Pinkston (6-6 and 220 according to Scout), who is "smaller" than Crowder.
I liken this to an experienced Pinkston and I like the pick up. Good work, Buzz, and welcome to MU Mr. Crowder.
How tall was (is) Charles Barkley, the round mound of rebound? 6'5" I believe.... ;)
Quote from: murambler on February 03, 2010, 02:18:03 PM
For all those quipping about his size, everyone would have been doing backflips if we had signed Jayvaugn Pinkston (6-6 and 220 according to Scout), who is "smaller" than Crowder.
I liken this to an experienced Pinkston and I like the pick up. Good work, Buzz, and welcome to MU Mr. Crowder.
In fairness, Pinkston is a McDonalds AA and probably the best player in New York City.
I like the Crowder commit, and by itself, it looks great. Newbill is the one that makes me scratch my head a little. But whatever, that's why Buzz gets paid the big bucks. If we're arguing over the priority of having a 6th guard or a 3rd post project on the bench, then it really isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
If the order of these two announcements was reversed, with Crowder first, I think everyone would have loved the Crowder commit and the reaction to Newbill would have been harsher.
Quote from: RawdogDX on February 03, 2010, 01:59:28 PM
He's player of the year for his conference.
Team height rests on the centers we have being able to contribute.
5 - 6'10 7'2
3/4 - 6'6 6'7 6'6 6'6 6'6
2 - 6'2 6'3
1 - 6'1 6'2 6'0
That really isn't a short of a team.
Exactly - no matter what we do, seeing as we have Otule and Mbao sidelined, we're getting taller next year by default. If those two are absent at any point next year, it's no different than what we're contending with now. Plus we're getting taller in the sense that we'll lose Cubes and Acker, but replace them with players at least 2 inches taller. We have a lot of guys in the 6'3"-6'6" range (Blue, Newbill, Jones, Crowder, Fulce, Butler, Williams). We have the length and depth in the backcourt and SF positions to play aggressive defense and fast, drive-and-dish offense.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on February 03, 2010, 02:20:15 PM
In fairness, Pinkston is a McDonalds AA and probably the best player in New York City.
Most arguments have centered on Crowder's size or lack thereof. The Pinkston reference merely was used to show how effective a shorter but huskier player can be in the post. Just because you're small doesn't mean you don't have a game.
Quote from: hdog1017 on February 03, 2010, 11:11:07 AM
Next year's team has the potential to be very up tempo and hopefully dunky.
awesome post
Renaldo Balkman was the reason it went down to the wire in the finals against SC in the Great Alaskan Shootout. If he can play like Renaldo look out!
Quote from: HoopsMalone on February 03, 2010, 01:09:12 PM
So, it's arbitrary how I assigned it, but here is what is kind of happening.
Crowder replaces JMay
Jones replaces Lazar
Blue replaces Coobs
Smith replaces Acker
Newbill replaces Roseboro
...
Newbill replaces Roseboro is the MU dilemma. Do you take a project big or a talented guard? It sounds like Buzz would rather have a Newbill, so hopefully he is right.
Calling Roseboro a project is a HUGE understatement. He's at St. Bonaventure now, averaging 9.2 mins a game without any starts. Though if you think we could use his 1.6ppg...
Buzz must have some hope for our Big men if he sticks to getting Forwards and Guards. I think there is a lot of potential in this team. A lot of speed and flash.
I just hope Buzz can keep all these players happy with good minutes and all the players enjoy Milwaukee enough to want to stay around.
I think everyone would be a lot more stoked if Jae was 2 inches taller as he would have been a perfect 4 but unfortunately, those type of players go to big time programs. What has me happy with this signing is the following from Rosiak's article:
"He's so versatile," said Mark Adams, Crowder's coach at Howard. "He can do a lot of things, and I think he can play multiple positions at the Division I level. He's 6-6, got a large frame, rebounds extremely well and has a knack for knowing where the basketball is.
He already is 230lbs and has a large frame, so while undersized height wise, he does seem to have the intangibles to overcome 2 inches and become a very productive player next year which is what Buzz was looking for. A player that contributes next year in the Big East. I don't know if there was anyone else out there willing to come here that fits Buzz criteria of contributing next year.
Added height on the perimeter and good pressure defense and we can get away with a 6'6" pf.
What were Joe Fulce's stats while he was JUCO?
Quote from: seakm4 on February 03, 2010, 04:09:29 PM
What were Joe Fulce's stats while he was JUCO?
16 Points and 13 Rebounds per game.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on February 03, 2010, 02:20:15 PM
In fairness, Pinkston is a McDonalds AA and probably the best player in New York City.
AMybe he is but he just got owned by kadeem Jack last week and until he signed with villanova his ranking was around 75.
Quote from: bma725 on February 03, 2010, 04:16:23 PM
16 Points and 13 Rebounds per game.
Before anyone starts to project Crowder into a Fulce-like contribution due to their similar height/weight - let's realize Joe has probably been somewhat derailed by his 2 knee surgeries which have robbed him of a lot of his explosiveness. Crowder with some time in the MU strength program could easily add 15 pounds and be a 6'7", 245lbs player with a good nose for the ball and inside out game.
This is a phenomenal signing. 17 and 10 last year en route to 2nd team All-American. Pre-season 1st team All-American this year and looks to achieve it. To get a guy like this......this late is really nice. We may be seeing Jimmy play some 5 next year, but I think that is a good thing. He is the mismatch.
Joe's also very thin and just not strong enough to do much damage in the paint.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 03, 2010, 04:25:34 PM
and until he signed with villanova his ranking was around 75.
Wrong.
Pinkston's consensus ranking as of September 27th was 44th in the country, with a high of 21 and one service not ranking him. He didn't commit to Villanova until December 3rd, and most services haven't even updated their rankings since then. The only one that has is ESPN which moved him from unranked to #84.
He was already a McD's candidate before he announced to Villanova.
Quote from: Ners on February 03, 2010, 04:32:59 PM
Before anyone starts to project Crowder into a Fulce-like contribution due to their similar height/weight - let's realize Joe has probably been somewhat derailed by his 2 knee surgeries which have robbed him of a lot of his explosiveness. Crowder with some time in the MU strength program could easily add 15 pounds and be a 6'7", 245lbs player with a good nose for the ball and inside out game.
wasn't he just 215? I can't see a player gaining 15 pounds in back to back years and while still maintaining his quickness and shot, that's a lot to put on. I don't like trying to shape a player into something he isn't. He is more of an energy hustle guy, not a big bruiser. IMHO from what I have read.
So, is this dude a dribble guy?
Quote from: Ners on February 03, 2010, 04:32:59 PM
Crowder with some time in the MU strength program could easily add 15 pounds and be a 6'7", 245lbs player with a good nose for the ball and inside out game.
We can make him taller too!?! Well heck, why didn't we just do that with Acker?!?
Unpack The Rack! ;)
Glad to have him, I'm excited for our newcomers next year.
Not much more to be said. Great signing. For all those complaining, who else do we get?
The guy's big, ready for big east ball, and will do just fine at the 3/4 with Mbao and Otule at center. We will be just fine next year, and again, really, really athletic.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on February 03, 2010, 10:53:02 PM
Not much more to be said. Great signing. For all those complaining, who else do we get?
The guy's big, ready for big east ball, and will do just fine at the 3/4 with Mbao and Otule at center. We will be just fine next year, and again, really, really athletic.
Well, I am going to complain..ironically. The previous regime was capable of landing players like Niv Berkowitz at this juncture.
Look at the time and circumstances surrounding my signing. This pales in comparison. Also, look at the position. Tom was grasping at straws when he brought me on.
Quote from: AZWarrior on February 03, 2010, 11:20:41 AM
David Boone was a 6'6", 215 great rebounder for us a while back. I'm OK with his size, as long as he's willing to board.
Boone was 6'4" tops. One of my all time favorite warriors.
I bet Jae grows another inch or two.
But from the looks on that Youtube video, dude's got a big booty meant for banging down on the frontcourt and blocking out the skinnier bigs.
Physically, more impressive than ANY of our PFs.
A *TRUE* Big East banger... Maybe in the mold of Craig Smith...
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on February 03, 2010, 11:10:21 PM
Look at the time and circumstances surrounding my signing. This pales in comparison. Also, look at the position. Tom was grasping at straws when he brought me on.
Niv........wasn't your dad the Jordan of Israel??? With that legacy, you'll always have opportunity!
After Butler, DJO and Buycks, I have decided to absolutely trust Buzz in any JC he picks up. Coach clearly has an incredible eye for talent! WELCOME!
Also, Dad played for Utah Jazz, that's a good sign. I think Wes Matthews turned out to be pretty good for us - granted he is the Utah JAzz player and Dad was Hawks.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on February 04, 2010, 01:35:10 AM
Also, Dad played for Utah Jazz, that's a good sign. I think Wes Matthews turned out to be pretty good for us - granted he is the Utah JAzz player and Dad was Hawks.
actually, Wes Sr played for the Bullets, Hawks, 6ers, Bulls, Spurs and Lakers.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 03, 2010, 11:18:58 PM
I bet Jae grows another inch or two.
But from the looks on that Youtube video, dude's got a big booty meant for banging down on the frontcourt and blocking out the skinnier bigs.
Physically, more impressive than ANY of our PFs.
A *TRUE* Big East banger... Maybe in the mold of Craig Smith...
really? you expect a 20 year old kid to still grow more?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on February 04, 2010, 07:45:47 AM
really? you expect a 20 year old kid to still grow more?
By the time his stats get put in next year's press guide, he will be 6-8, 240.
Great quote from Crowder:
"I can't wait to see the atmosphere at the Bradley Center. I can't wait for the season. I hope the Marquette fans will take me in with open arms because I am ready to give them everything I have."
Quote from: MUCrew on February 04, 2010, 09:17:06 AM
Great quote from Crowder:
"I can't wait to see the atmosphere at the Bradley Center. I can't wait for the season. I hope the Marquette fans will take me in with open arms because I am ready to give them everything I have."
Do you happen to have the link for the article this was written in? Thanks for sharing if you can.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 03, 2010, 11:18:58 PM
I bet Jae grows another inch or two.
But from the looks on that Youtube video, dude's got a big booty meant for banging down on the frontcourt and blocking out the skinnier bigs.
Physically, more impressive than ANY of our PFs.
A *TRUE* Big East banger... Maybe in the mold of Craig Smith...
20 year olds with "big booties" tend to grow out more than they grow up.
Quote from: Ners on February 04, 2010, 09:26:47 AM
Do you happen to have the link for the article this was written in? Thanks for sharing if you can.
Link (http://marquette.scout.com/2/943944.html)
Quote from: MUCrew on February 04, 2010, 09:17:06 AM
Great quote from Crowder:
"I can't wait to see the atmosphere at the Bradley Center. I can't wait for the season. I hope the Marquette fans will take me in with open arms because I am ready to give them everything I have."
Awesome. Welcome aboard Jae. And don't cut your hair.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 04, 2010, 11:15:17 AM
20 year olds with "big booties" tend to grow out more than they grow up.
Wes Unseld.
anyone know the pronunciation? is it like "jay" or does it rhyme with "buy"?
Quote from: copious1218 on February 04, 2010, 11:43:32 AM
anyone know the pronunciation? is it like "jay" or does it rhyme with "buy"?
im pretty sure its "jay". if it rhymed with buy it would be jai, like the lsu cornerback
Jae will be successful where ever he goes. While in high school he was undersized and overweight most of his career, he grew 5 inches and lost around 20 pound during football and basketball season his senior year. He also started at QB 2 years so he has great leadership qualities. He came from nothing and made himself into a very very good player, he's proved doubters wrong his entire life and I expect him to continue to do the same. People here in his hometown of Villa Rica Georgia are very proud of him and wish him the best. You guys got a great player but most of all you got a great person in Jae "Doughboy" Crowder.
Doughboy, love it. Hopefully he is as bad ass in the court as Ice Cube was in Boyz N The Hood.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on February 04, 2010, 01:17:35 AM
After Butler, DJO and Buycks, I have decided to absolutely trust Buzz in any JC he picks up. Coach clearly has an incredible eye for talent! WELCOME!
Agreed. DJO and Jimmy could challenge to be on the All-Big East team and Buycks is a solid contributor. YOu could even stretch it and say Liam was another good JUCO find.
Do we count Fulce as a JUCO recruited by Buzz or is he technically a Crean commit?
Love the facebook pic.
(http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic.php?oid=AAAAAQAQ5WWisSnhJPev5gjq3eXFpQAAAAnyswpT2qKd8yQeiPqfw-QS&size=normal)
Mods....can we get the title of this thread changed? It's SO NEGATIVE and this kid doesn't deserve that......let's show a little excitement here.....
Quote from: MU_Freak on February 04, 2010, 12:54:50 PM
Love the facebook pic.
(http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic.php?oid=AAAAAQAQ5WWisSnhJPev5gjq3eXFpQAAAAnyswpT2qKd8yQeiPqfw-QS&size=normal)
He is quick to take our all-time leading scorer's jersey.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on February 04, 2010, 12:58:50 PM
Mods....can we get the title of this thread changed? It's SO NEGATIVE and this kid doesn't deserve that......let's show a little excitement here.....
Good point - changed.
Also, thanks for posting TheVillaRicaWildcats, we kinda like undersized, underrated, underdogs around here. He'll fit right in. Sounds like Jae is a good player, and most importantly, a great person.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on February 04, 2010, 11:23:56 AM
Awesome. Welcome aboard Jae. And don't cut your hair.
+1. The one thing that this board does is get me fired up for the next year while the current one is already in progress!
Doughboy's got good taste as well....anyone check out his Facebook relationship? Is she coming with him to MU?
Quote from: jfmu on February 04, 2010, 11:51:19 AM
im pretty sure its "jay". if it rhymed with buy it would be jai, like the lsu cornerback
Jai was the prepubescent native friend of Tarzan. Not the Johnny Weismuller Tarzan. The Ron Ely made for TV Tarzan. You had to wonder what the relationship was between Tarzan and young Jai.
Quote from: SlappedButtocks on February 04, 2010, 03:30:52 PM
Jai was the prepubescent native friend of Tarzan. Not the Johnny Weismuller Tarzan. The Ron Ely made for TV Tarzan. You had to wonder what the relationship was between Tarzan and young Jai.
You can wonder for me. ;)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 04, 2010, 01:03:46 PM
Good point - changed.
Also, thanks for posting TheVillaRicaWildcats, we kinda like undersized, underrated, underdogs around here. He'll fit right in. Sounds like Jae is a good player, and most importantly, a great person.
No problem, I really think the Golden Eagle Nation will fall in love with Jae. He's very humble but confident in his abilities and I really want to meet the person that will out work him on their game. He will put in the time to be successful. I know there are many on this board worried about his size well lack of height but people don't realize he learned to play the game undersized and slow...those traits are no longer an issue for him. He grew up playing the 1 and 2, as he grew he took those skills and incorporated them into the 1,2,3,4,&5 at the JUCO level. I know with his commitment Marquette has expanded their fan base and open up a pipeline of talent out of the West Georgia area. Just wait and see...Marquette will start to see more commitments out of Georgia with this move.
That's heartening to hear all that good stuff.
Quote from: elephantraker on February 04, 2010, 05:57:40 PM
That's heartening to hear all that good stuff.
If this year is any indication, by the time October rolls around the consensus on this board will be that we can't count on Crowder because he's never played D1 ball, he's new to Buzz's system, there's a huge difference between Juco and D1, he's never played a road game in a hostile arena, wasn't highly recruited out of HS, etc. etc. etc.
Or at least that was the consensus regarding Buycks and DJO.
....from Murf.
Quote from: Marquette84 on February 04, 2010, 08:08:43 PM
If this year is any indication, by the time October rolls around the consensus on this board will be that we can't count on Crowder because he's never played D1 ball, he's new to Buzz's system, there's a huge difference between Juco and D1, he's never played a road game in a hostile arena, wasn't highly recruited out of HS, etc. etc. etc.
Or at least that was the consensus regarding Buycks and DJO.
And of course it works both ways, and falls somewhere in the middle. Unless of course Buycks is a lock for the NBA and DJO is the second best guard in the 2009 recruiting class behind John Wall, also things that were said before anyone saw them play.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on February 04, 2010, 01:01:04 PM
He is quick to take our all-time leading scorer's jersey.
That is a picture of Jerel with Jae's face pasted over it.
Quote from: chapman on February 04, 2010, 08:29:55 PM
And of course it works both ways, and falls somewhere in the middle. Unless of course Buycks is a lock for the NBA and DJO is the second best guard in the 2009 recruiting class behind John Wall, also things that were said before anyone saw them play.
I don't recall anyone saying that Buycks was a lock for the NBA or DJO is close to John Wall.
What I do recall is that I took an awful lot of heat for suggesting that .500 was probably a fairer floor for the team as opposed to the 12th to 16th place predictions most were making at the time.
My guess is a whole lot of people have quietly changed their tune on whether they expect a 1st or 2nd team Juco All-American to meaningfully contribute without having to endure a sub-par transition year.
Why is buzz picking up so many JUCOs? Won't Jae be the fifth?
Quote from: jwalsh on February 04, 2010, 09:16:01 PM
Why is buzz picking up so many JUCOs? Won't Jae be the fifth?
Yeah - I see your point, given his recent history with JUCOs and all. ::)
Quote from: AZWarrior on February 04, 2010, 09:18:48 PM
Yeah - I see your point, given his recent history with JUCOs and all. ::)
Not to mention that three have been full qualifiers.
Forgive me if someone posted on this already but didn't see anyone say anything about Marquette getting a verbal from Jae Crowder. I know some people were against signing him because of his height, but sounds like the kid is a legit rebounder having averaged over 10 per game even though he's "only" listed at 6' 6". You never know how recruits will perform playing at a higher level so tough to say he can do the same in the Big East. Then again, he could turn out to be Ben Wallace-esque in terms of coming from a smaller school and being of smaller stature but being able to put up big numbers. I just hope he shoots free throws a bit better. So my guess for starters next year. I'm putting Crowder cuz who knows about Otule and Mbao and I figure this guy has to be more athletic...
G Cadougan
G Blue
F Butler
F DJO
F Crowder
http://texastech.scout.com/2/943944.html
Sorry about the unnecessary thread. I see just below 137 posts on this topic. My bad...
Bottom line: We have athletes and we will compete. I think Crowder has a chance to start if Buzz decides to go with a small line up. It will likely depend on the match up, much like this year.
Heck, I'd say he has a chance to start if we go with a "big" line up. ;)
Good point. 2-5 will all be about the same size.
Quote from: Marquette84 on February 04, 2010, 09:14:43 PM
I don't recall anyone saying that Buycks was a lock for the NBA or DJO is close to John Wall.
What I do recall is that I took an awful lot of heat for suggesting that .500 was probably a fairer floor for the team as opposed to the 12th to 16th place predictions most were making at the time.
My guess is a whole lot of people have quietly changed their tune on whether they expect a 1st or 2nd team Juco All-American to meaningfully contribute without having to endure a sub-par transition year.
You may not recall it but both of those statements were made
I remember Chicos saying DJO is a lock for the NBA.
Quote from: Curtis Loew on February 04, 2010, 09:47:26 PM
You may not recall it but both of those statements were made
So here's what I found on DJO
Quote from: wermarquette on April 01, 2009, 11:39:19 PM
"Spoke to a DI assistant tonight from another school who saw Darius Johnson-Odom this year. He said he was the best available guard in the country not named John Wall. Said he is a freak athletically and will make an immediate impact."
That little word "availalble" makes a big difference. I stand by the claim that nobody was saying that DJO was 2nd best to John Wall--just that he was the 2nd best still available on April 1. Huge difference.
Meanwhile, I didn't find anything
on this board that said Buycks is an early-entry candidate. I did find this article externally, that quoted his JUCO coach who said: "You can't forecast the future," said Kidder. "But I wouldn't bet against him playing in (the NBA) someday, I can tell you that."
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/42743242.html
I'd say champan oversold both comments.
Both came from outside the board, and neither found much support from anyone here. Far more frequent was the party line of "can't count on 'em, inexperienced, juco is not D1, no Big East experieince, never played in a hostile arena etc. etc. etc.
Yes, someone said that DJO was "close" to John Wall. And dwight was mentioned in the same sentence as NBA by someone more credible than an internet poster. It seemed that you were implying neither of these statements were made in any way, shape, or form, so I was simply trying to let you know that they were.
Quote from: Curtis Loew on February 04, 2010, 10:25:45 PM
Yes, someone said that DJO was "close" to John Wall.
To me, there is a huge difference between saying 2nd best available and 2nd best overall. We'll just have to disagree if you think they're the same.
Quote from: Curtis Loew on February 04, 2010, 10:25:45 PM
And dwight was mentioned in the same sentence as NBA by someone more credible than an internet poster. It seemed that you were implying neither of these statements were made in any way, shape, or form, so I was simply trying to let you know that they were.
Allow me to restate my objection to Chapman's post, in a way that will pass the nitpick filter:
Quote from: chapman on February 04, 2010, 08:29:55 PM
And of course it works both ways, and falls somewhere in the middle. Unless of course Buycks is a lock for the NBA and DJO is the second best guard in the 2009 recruiting class behind John Wall, also things that were said before anyone saw them play.
Well, that certainly wasn't the consensus on this board. Nobody on
this board claimed that DJO was the 2nd best guard of 2009, or that Buycks was a "lock for the NBA." And they most certainly didn't offer those comments to support my point that we should be at least a .500 team in league play.
No, sir, the consensus was that these players were not likely to contribute much this year--too big of a transition. Never played in a hostile road environment. Huge difference in play between Juco and D1. etc. etc. etc.
I don't recall a single poster jumping in to defend even a modest .500 prediction with the comment that Buycks was an NBA lock, or that DJO was close to Wall. Who are these people? Where were they back in October when most here were ripping our talent suggesting that we can't reasonably expect them to be better than 12th?
Now I didn't think that DJO was Wall's equal, or that Buycks was an NBA lock--but I thought they were at least good enough to get us into the upper division in the Big East.
It looks like most are coming around to my point of view on this--four months ago people criticized me and said I had an "agenda" because I dared suggest we expect something more than mediocre from DJO and Buycks. It now seems that the expectations of Crowder are significantly higher.
The fact is, those comments, or comments very similar, were made by people prior to the season starting. You are just pointlessly nit-picking.
Quote from: Curtis Loew on February 05, 2010, 12:23:04 AM
The fact is, those comments, or comments very similar, were made by people prior to the season starting. You are just pointlessly nit-picking.
LOL. Curtis Loew, meet SJS. SJS, meet Curtis Loew.
Carry on.
Quote from: Marquette84 on February 04, 2010, 11:14:22 PM
I don't recall a single poster jumping in to defend even a modest .500 prediction with the comment that Buycks was an NBA lock, or that DJO was close to Wall. Who are these people? Where were they back in October when most here were ripping our talent suggesting that we can't reasonably expect them to be better than 12th?
Now I didn't think that DJO was Wall's equal, or that Buycks was an NBA lock--but I thought they were at least good enough to get us into the upper division in the Big East.
It looks like most are coming around to my point of view on this--four months ago people criticized me and said I had an "agenda" because I dared suggest we expect something more than mediocre from DJO and Buycks. It now seems that the expectations of Crowder are significantly higher.
Actually, I recall a number of people saying that they thought Buycks was the better prospect and were real excited to get him involved. I don't think many people knew what DJO was going to bring to the table.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 05, 2010, 12:27:31 AM
LOL. Curtis Loew, meet SJS. SJS, meet Curtis Loew.
Carry on.
Rising to the defense of MU84 (gasp!) .. if Curtis believes "..those comments, or comments very similar were made by people prior to the season starting.." all he needs to do is find them and post them.
IIRC, the big major assumption about this year's team that has turned out to be inaccurate was that either Buycks or DJO was going to have to start at the point once Junior went down. Mo/Cubi have surpassed the expectations of the common wisdom. Neither Buycks or DJO were ready to start at the point. My expectations of the team was the NIT with an outside shot at the dance. If we take care of business, we can surpass that. But that is by no means a given at this point.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 05, 2010, 08:01:22 AM
Rising to the defense of MU84 (gasp!) .. if Curtis believes "..those comments, or comments very similar were made by people prior to the season starting.." all he needs to do is find them and post them.
You must not have read the whole thread, because MU84 did find them and post them. A D-1 assistant made the comment about DJO. And Buycks JUCO coach said that about him. Again, this was already said in this thread.
Quote from: Curtis Loew on February 05, 2010, 12:04:37 PM
You must not have read the whole thread, because MU84 did find them and post them. A D-1 assistant made the comment about DJO. And Buycks JUCO coach said that about him. Again, this was already said in this thread.
MU84 was replying to the following, which implied that people
here had said those things. The posts that he posted do not back up the statement he was refuting, and they did not represent the viewpoints of MUScoop members.
Quote from: chapman on February 04, 2010, 08:29:55 PMQuote from: Marquette84 on February 04, 2010, 08:08:43 PM
If this year is any indication, by the time October rolls around the consensus on this board will be that we can't count on Crowder because he's never played D1 ball, he's new to Buzz's system, there's a huge difference between Juco and D1, he's never played a road game in a hostile arena, wasn't highly recruited out of HS, etc. etc. etc.
Or at least that was the consensus regarding Buycks and DJO.
And of course it works both ways, and falls somewhere in the middle. Unless of course Buycks is a lock for the NBA and DJO is the second best guard in the 2009 recruiting class behind John Wall, also things that were said before anyone saw them play.
I was responding to the "I don't recall anyone saying that Buycks was a lock for the NBA or DJO is close to John Wall." I honestly thought that he didn't remember these comments were said, I didnt take it as meaning people on this board. I was simply trying to let him know that these comments were in fact said, and the person he was quoting did not just make them up. I now think this was just a miscommunication.
He is only 4 pts, and 4 assists a game away from being John Wall in terms of numbers...
I will take 3 years of DJO over one year of John Wall.
Quote from: Curtis Loew on February 05, 2010, 12:33:31 PM
I was responding to the "I don't recall anyone saying that Buycks was a lock for the NBA or DJO is close to John Wall." I honestly thought that he didn't remember these comments were said, I didnt take it as meaning people on this board. I was simply trying to let him know that these comments were in fact said, and the person he was quoting did not just make them up. I now think this was just a miscommunication.
Lets look at what happened here.
1. I said the consensus on this board last October was that DJO and Buycks were too inexperienced to have expectations for anything better than a 12th place finish, in contrast to the positive comments yesterday on Crowder.
2. Chapman implied I was wrong--said people here were saying that DJO was 2nd to John Wall and Buycks was an NBA lock without even seeing them.
3. I claimed that I don't recall anyone saying that.
4. You jumped in and said, no, people here did indeed say it.
5. I checked, and nobody here said it. The only thing I found was one reference to DJO that was made elsewhere (and reposted here, by chapman himself).
And because someone would call me on it if I didn't mention it, I even called out an external reference regarding Buycks--I had to search Google to find the the JS article.
Chapman was wrong. Nobody here was hyping DJO as a John Wall equal. Nobody here was touting Buycks as an NBA lock.
And the two examples I found hardly refute my comment about the consensus that existed on this board.
I stand by my statement that the consensus here was that they couldn't be counted on to contribute much this year for of all the reasons previously cited.
Quote from: Marquette84 on February 05, 2010, 02:19:01 PM
Nobody here was touting Buycks as an NBA lock.
I thought that it was Buycks coach who said he was nba bound.
Quote from: RawdogDX on February 05, 2010, 02:52:43 PM
I thought that it was Buycks coach who said he was nba bound.
Im pretty sure this is all stemming from the fact that Buycks was coached by Jeff Kidder at Indian Hills CC. When Kidder coached at Dixie State College, he coached Marcus Banks, who went on to play at UNLV and in the NBA.
I believe Kidder was quoted as saying something like "Buycks is the best player I have coached since Marcus Banks."
To some people, that means, "Dwight Buycks will be in the NBA."
Quote from: Marquette84 on February 05, 2010, 02:19:01 PM
Lets look at what happened here.
1. I said the consensus on this board last October was that DJO and Buycks were too inexperienced to have expectations for anything better than a 12th place finish, in contrast to the positive comments yesterday on Crowder.
2. Chapman implied I was wrong--said people here were saying that DJO was 2nd to John Wall and Buycks was an NBA lock without even seeing them.
3. I claimed that I don't recall anyone saying that.
4. You jumped in and said, no, people here did indeed say it.
5. I checked, and nobody here said it. The only thing I found was one reference to DJO that was made elsewhere (and reposted here, by chapman himself).
And because someone would call me on it if I didn't mention it, I even called out an external reference regarding Buycks--I had to search Google to find the the JS article.
Chapman was wrong. Nobody here was hyping DJO as a John Wall equal. Nobody here was touting Buycks as an NBA lock.
And the two examples I found hardly refute my comment about the consensus that existed on this board.
I stand by my statement that the consensus here was that they couldn't be counted on to contribute much this year for of all the reasons previously cited.
Guess I won't be getting a Chrismas card next year. I don't recall the response to the quotes that were posted here to be
in essense (since apparently everything is 100% literal and requires MLA cittation): "wow, those coaches are complete idiots. That guy is completely inexperienced and will not help us get to the top half of the Big East". There were a lot of people who claimed DJO was going to be a pretty special player and that Buycks would be damn good. My point is that maybe the slight majority thought they were going to have more growing pains rather than provide immediate benefit, but hardly a consensus. I was in the boat that I hadn't seen a Juco not require the better part of a season to really look like he fit in, and there were plenty of people telling me that DJO and Buycks weren't ordinary players, and they were 100% right with DJO and mostly right on Buycks.