Anyone got info on this 6'9"/230# body?
Plays for Westchester (Los Angeles), has offers from Marquette and TCU with Oklahoma & Arizona looking.
BMA, what does your magic 8 ball say?
Sounds like a nice Irish kid. ;)
Quote from: marqptm on January 25, 2010, 12:24:06 PM
Anyone got info on this 6'9"/230# body?
Plays for Westchester (Los Angeles), has offers from Marquette and TCU with Oklahoma & Arizona looking.
BMA, what does your magic 8 ball say?
Westchester is around the corner from here....they turn out incredible players left and right. I find it VERY interesting that none of the local teams are going after him....USC and UCLA in particular.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 25, 2010, 12:41:05 PM
Westchester is around the corner from here....they turn out incredible players left and right. I find it VERY interesting that none of the local teams are going after him....USC and UCLA in particular.
What are you insinuating? Have you looked at what UCLA's situation?
Murphy definitely isnt a high profile player, seems pretty under the radar.
UCLA has a bevy of big men currently on their roster, has one of the best (Josh Smith) committed for 2010, and is in the running for another one of the best 2010 PFs (Terrance Jones...qualifying may be an issue, however).
Not sure whats up with USC...who knows.
+1
He's a really late bloomer. He's not really an offensive threat at the moment. Part of that is simply he hasn't develped the game yet, part of it is the fact that he's playing with a team where he is the 5th option offensively due to the talent around him.
No prediction on what will happen, way too early to tell what's going to happen as his name gets out there more.
I believe his team knocked off Oak Hill a couple of weeks ago.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 25, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
What are you insinuating? Have you looked at what UCLA's situation?
Murphy definitely isnt a high profile player, seems pretty under the radar.
UCLA has a bevy of big men currently on their roster, has one of the best (Josh Smith) committed for 2010, and is in the running for another one of the best 2010 PFs (Terrance Jones...qualifying may be an issue, however).
Not sure whats up with USC...who knows.
I don't know much about his situation, but when I look to see if any of the locals are recruiting him, or even someone like Washington, Cal or Oregon, doesn't seem like many are going after him. I find that interesting. It's good to see Arizona is "looking" at him, but I wonder if they will actually offer.
Cameron Dollar, up at Seattle University (former UCLA Bruin) has landed some of the kids from Westchester if memory serves. Is he after this kid?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 25, 2010, 01:22:20 PM
I don't know much about his situation, but when I look to see if any of the locals are recruiting him, or even someone like Washington, Cal or Oregon, doesn't seem like many are going after him. I find that interesting. It's good to see Arizona is "looking" at him, but I wonder if they will actually offer.
Cameron Dollar, up at Seattle University (former UCLA Bruin) has landed some of the kids from Westchester if memory serves. Is he after this kid?
So without knowing much about him, you are just going to imply that something is wrong in some way/shape/form?
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 25, 2010, 01:19:32 PM
I believe his team knocked off Oak Hill a couple of weeks ago.
Yes they did. Westchester is very talented, although over the weekend they were hammered by Rice out of New York. Lost by around 20 points or so.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 25, 2010, 01:23:54 PM
So without knowing much about him, you are just going to imply that something is wrong in some way/shape/form?
Yikes. Dude, relax. I'm not implying anything, I just find it interesting that none of the local teams are recruiting him. Sheesh. He's a 2 star player, that's probably why. If he's a late bloomer, great. I hope he is because some of the write-ups in the past don't scream high major.
"Additionally 6'9" junior center Reggie Murphy is an intriguing long-term prospect that deserves monitoring by
low-mid major programs. Murphy has excellent size, runs the floor well and is deceptively skilled on the block."
ESPN, on the other hand, has some nice things to say about him of late.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 25, 2010, 01:28:31 PM
Yikes. Dude, relax. I'm not implying anything, I just find it interesting that none of the local teams are recruiting him. Sheesh. He's a 2 star player, that's probably why. If he's a late bloomer, great. I hope he is because some of the write-ups in the past don't scream high major.
"Additionally 6'9" junior center Reggie Murphy is an intriguing long-term prospect that deserves monitoring by low-mid major programs. Murphy has excellent size, runs the floor well and is deceptively skilled on the block."
ESPN, on the other hand, has some nice things to say about him of late.
Chicos,
It's time for you to get off your ass and go review his game for us. I don't want to hear any excuses.
I don't see a reason not to take a project big. Liam sounds like he would have worked out and Otule looked improved from last year (though that is not saying much) though he got hurt. One of the projects will turn out eventually.
Quote from: marqptm on January 25, 2010, 01:33:55 PM
Chicos,
It's time for you to get off your ass and go review his game for us. I don't want to hear any excuses.
Here's what I know based on two guys that work for me and are big UCLA guys. He's the biggest player on Westchester at 6'9", 230lbs. Westchester also has a 6'7" kid and three 6'6" kids. Dwyane Pollee (sp?) is the best player on the team and will attend USC next year. Jordin Mayes is also very good and has offers from the Pac Ten schools as well as Utah.
Aside from those two, there are 3 guys that are DI players but no one really knows where. One kid may be going to the Big Sky conference. Another kid is probably JUCO bound. Murphy, tough to say according to my guys. They say he has size but they were both surprised to hear MU was involved.
Chicos...why did you start by saying "I find it VERY interesting that none of the local teams are going after him....USC and UCLA in particular."
And then say oh "hes a 2 star player, thats probably why." Why didn't you mention that initially?
Yes, hes under the radar a bit, but that is where MU is...especially when looking at the late signing period.
Btw...Heres another write-up about him, from January 19th:
Reggie Murphy, C, Westchester: He's not playing with confidence. "It started when they began throwing me the ball and its never going away." Folks, that's what happens to a late blooming big man. Today he ran hard, finished off plays and had 9 and 5. Good enough to sit squarely on the mid-to-high spring fence.
I find it VERY interesting none of the local schools recruited Jimmy Butler ... Texas and Texas A&M in particular.
I'm not insinuating anything. Just saying it's VERY interesting.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 25, 2010, 01:51:14 PM
Chicos...why did you start by saying "I find it VERY interesting that none of the local teams are going after him....USC and UCLA in particular."
And then say oh "hes a 2 star player, thats probably why." Why didn't you mention that initially?
Yes, hes under the radar a bit, but that is where MU is...especially when looking at the late signing period.
Btw...Heres another write-up about him, from January 19th:
Reggie Murphy, C, Westchester: He's not playing with confidence. "It started when they began throwing me the ball and its never going away." Folks, that's what happens to a late blooming big man. Today he ran hard, finished off plays and had 9 and 5. Good enough to sit squarely on the mid-to-high spring fence.
Because I didn't know his rating at the time and had to look it up later. When the poster's original list had none of the California schools, and particularly the locals, I found that interesting. That's all.
When I went and looked at his rating, it made more sense. UCLA and USC typically (not always, but typically) don't go after 2 star guys. So when I saw that rating, it made more sense to me.
Not sure why Pakuni is using Texas and Texas A&M for Jimmy Butler comparison. Westchester is right in the backyard of UCLA and USC. Tomball, TX is closer to Houston than it is Austin or College Station.
I hope this kid turns out to be as under the radar as Butler was, that would be great. Butler basically didn't have much to choose from at first...Sam Houston State, Quinnipiac, TCU and Mississippi State (which isn't bad actually) but his year at the CC helped him greatly.
Quote from: bma725 on January 25, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
He's not really an offensive threat at the moment...part of it is the fact that he's playing with a team where he is the 5th option offensively due to the talent around him.
Maybe he should hire Tim Maymon as his father...that should take care of that problem.
It's funny that the same people who knock the poster MU84 in another thread for being sensitive show in this thread they are just as sensitive.
Everyone's got a soft spot.
Quote from: marqptm on January 25, 2010, 01:33:55 PM
Chicos,
It's time for you to get off your ass and go review his game for us. I don't want to hear any excuses.
Yikes.. I'm keeping a low profile here when any Dallas area recruits pop up.
Quote from: spiral97 on January 25, 2010, 02:47:39 PM
Yikes.. I'm keeping a low profile here when any Dallas area recruits pop up.
Class of 2011Keaton Miles, 6'6" SF, Lincoln HS in Dallas
Thomas Gipson, 6'7" PF, Cedar Hill HS
I look forward to your reports.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 25, 2010, 02:03:08 PM
I find it VERY interesting none of the local schools recruited Jimmy Butler ... Texas and Texas A&M in particular.
I'm not insinuating anything. Just saying it's VERY interesting.
/Golf clap
Well played, sir.
Could we actually convince somebody from Southern California to play in Milwaukee for an extended period of time? Have we ever had a player from that area?
Mike Davis, back in the Majerus years, was a JUCO from California, IIRC
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 25, 2010, 03:01:15 PM
Could we actually convince somebody from Southern California to play in Milwaukee for an extended period of time? Have we ever had a player from that area?
Wasn't Boone from the Los Angeles area?
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on January 25, 2010, 02:40:28 PM
It's funny that the same people who knock the poster MU84 in another thread for being sensitive show in this thread they are just as sensitive.
Everyone's got a soft spot.
How true. Most of that comes from who is posting as well. If certain posters say anything that even passively asks a question, it's immediately deemed a slam on Buzz by others. The the bat signal goes off and the defense team comes in. And yes, the same can be said about other posters (myself included) when certain posters make comments about previous regimes.
Soft spots indeed, by all of us. ;)
Does he have issues? What does Kool Aid Perry want to do with him? Or WWWes?
This thread is hilarious. Shows how desparate we all are for a big dude. Everyone is creaming themselves over this 2 star, but it's a guard's game.
Boone was from SF. Davis was from the northern part, too.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 25, 2010, 03:13:05 PM
Does he have issues? What does Kool Aid Perry want to do with him? Or WWWes?
This thread is hilarious. Shows how desparate we all are for a big dude. Everyone is creaming themselves over this 2 star, but it's a guard's game.
I'd say 1 or 2 people are creaming themselves. A 2 star big is going to do a lot less for us than a 4 star guard....because it is a guard's game.
Quote from: bma725 on January 25, 2010, 01:17:30 PM
He's a really late bloomer. He's not really an offensive threat at the moment. Part of that is simply he hasn't develped the game yet, part of it is the fact that he's playing with a team where he is the 5th option offensively due to the talent around him.
No prediction on what will happen, way too early to tell what's going to happen as his name gets out there more.
bma those are not good enough reasons for chicos not to rip the kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj9nRgD0blc
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 25, 2010, 01:28:31 PM
Yikes. Dude, relax. I'm not implying anything, I just find it interesting that none of the local teams are recruiting him. Sheesh. He's a 2 star player, that's probably why. If he's a late bloomer, great. I hope he is because some of the write-ups in the past don't scream high major.
"Additionally 6'9" junior center Reggie Murphy is an intriguing long-term prospect that deserves monitoring by low-mid major programs. Murphy has excellent size, runs the floor well and is deceptively skilled on the block."
ESPN, on the other hand, has some nice things to say about him of late.
interest tact by the hypocrite's hypocrite (chico's) you see if Crean were recruiting the kid he would be some undiscovered future star that only Crean's infinite basketball knowledege could see at this early stage. Un polished greatness that such rubes as ben howland and kevin Oneill are completely oblivious too despite them being right under their noses. you know sort of like Dwade intersting tact by chicos all the stumble bums that crean recruited against the like of a host of mid majors were unplished diamonds. Yet when Buzz recruits a non 4 star...it is curious?? this guy is the epitome of a loser
chicos i dont remeber these types of posts when we signed trend blackledge, there were no I wonder why missouri and Illionois are nto recruitng him. Dont remeber them for carlton christion, brandon bell, james matthews and on and on. strange.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on January 25, 2010, 04:16:36 PM
interest tact by the hypocrite's hypocrite (chico's) you see if Crean were recruiting the kid he would be some undiscovered future star that only Crean's infinite basketball knowledege could see at this early stage. Un polished greatness that such rubes as ben howland and kevin Oneill are completely oblivious too despite them being right under their noses. you know sort of like Dwade intersting tact by chicos all the stumble bums that crean recruited against the like of a host of mid majors were unplished diamonds. Yet when Buzz recruits a non 4 star...it is curious?? this guy is the epitome of a loser
I'm not sure what in the wide, wide world of sports you just wrote here.
I think Chicos is just stating the obvious. That is when you have absolutely no size on your team other than one center who is injured all the time and another who really needs a red shirt year AND you struck out with PFs in the fall signing period you've got to dig really deep because there isn't much left. I think Buzz and staff will eventually recruit some talented size and if there is a God eventually some of them will stay uninjured and get to play but for NEXT YEAR they MUST bring in someone who has the body to match up with these other BE teams. This kid may not be option 1, he may not even be option anything but if option 1,2 and 3 fall through saying "Oh Well we'll get one next year" is not an option.
Quote from: 4thAndState on January 25, 2010, 04:30:11 PM
I'm not sure what in the wide, wide world of sports you just wrote here.
No one does, that's why he has more than 25 people on ignore for him. Thanks for pasting his word, they are entertaining.
No, the reality is if Crean was recruiting this guy, many anti-Crean people here would say he's a 2 star stiff....starting with Hayward himself. They would say no one else is recruiting him, he's just like Hazel or Burke, etc. That's the true hypocrisy and he's showing you exhibit A.
The fact of the matter is that he may be a diamond in the rough, who knows. But because MU has had such difficulty getting 4 or 5 star bigs, MU has had to make a run of some flyers (Deane, KO, Crean and Buzz have ALL done it). Some work out like Amal, some crash and burn.
I don't have a problem with him going after this kid at all. I like his size and apparently he has good hands....and the good news is that he won't have to add 25lbs so he should be all Big East right out of the gate...right Hayward. LOL
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 25, 2010, 03:57:30 PM
I'd say 1 or 2 people are creaming themselves. A 2 star big is going to do a lot less for us than a 4 star guard....because it is a guard's game.
I just read all 35 posts, and I dont think anyone is creaming themselves.
Once BMA explained the situation, I am pretty sure everyone understands what kind of player we are looking at.
Instead of doing some easy research, you decided to take a dig at him right out of the gate.
Buzz is in a situation right now, where for 2010, he is going to have to take a JUCO big and/or an under the radar HS big as a way of adding some depth up front.
What the hell is the issue here? He's a big who appears to be improving, and MU has offered. Obviously, everybody knows this team severely lacks size. We all know how hard it is to find good bigs, roll the dice and hope it works out.
Ohhh, better stay away since he was projected low-to-mid major by the "experts". Interesting, so was Lazar early in high school.
Could he end up being a hack? Maybe. Or he could really develop into a really solid big.
Who knows if he's coming or not, of course, but I like what I'm hearing about him.
Wasn't Terry Reason the all time scoring HS scorer in CA when he came
6'9,230, late bloomer. I fail to see the downside. Unless there is a compelling reason to NOT take him (grades, character) sign him and start coaching him up. I think BMA has documented many times the lack of instant impact bigs left out there.
Quote from: PBRme on January 26, 2010, 09:30:39 AM
Wasn't Terry Reason the all time scoring HS scorer in CA when he came
He may have been, but Terry was from Fresno, which probably doesn't fit most people's definition of southern California. In fact I've tried finding one to answer PRN's question, but all the California kids that came to MU appear to be from the mid or northern part of the state.
Michael Davis was from Chico, David Boone from San Fran, Reason from Fresno etc. I suppose we could count Mbao since he went to Stonebridge in Simi Valley, which is definitely SoCal.
The real answer to the question is does he have defense and rebounding skills that, with improvement, would allow him to play in the BE?
Quote from: MarqBB77-03 on January 26, 2010, 09:53:34 AM
The real answer to the question is does he have defense and rebounding skills that, with improvement, would allow him to play in the BE?
+1. I trust Buzz can figure that out despite the Rosie screw up.
February, 2009: Murphy is one of the most improved prospects on the west coast. He has a strong frame, solid length, and deceptive bounce. He gets most of his points filling the lane in transition and offensive put-backs. He is blessed with great hands and overall has a very soft touch...
this is his latest update by ESPN.
Considering buzz is recruitng him it's clear why Chicos is ripping him.
QuoteConsidering buzz is recruitng him it's clear why Chicos is ripping him.
Get a life
Quote from: tower912 on January 26, 2010, 09:37:52 AM
6'9,230, late bloomer. I fail to see the downside. Unless there is a compelling reason to NOT take him (grades, character) sign him and start coaching him up. I think BMA has documented many times the lack of instant impact bigs left out there.
The downside would be another Roseboro. I agree, go after the kid, but this seems like a reach like many of the others at the big position, for which previous regimes were bashed to no end. I fail to see the difference...this is a reach as well. It is what it is at MU, we always have to reach for bigs it seems, regardless of who is coaching.
We have to take those chances, nothing wrong with that. I just find it interesting how going after a 2 star now is ok when it was basically the worst thing in the world in the past.
Probably more than 2 are creaning themselves over the potential signing of this cat.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 26, 2010, 11:30:53 AM
The downside would be another Roseboro. I agree, go after the kid, but this seems like a reach like many of the others at the big position, for which previous regimes were bashed to no end. I fail to see the difference...this is a reach as well. It is what it is at MU, we always have to reach for bigs it seems, regardless of who is coaching.
We have to take those chances, nothing wrong with that. I just find it interesting how going after a 2 star now is ok when it was basically the worst thing in the world in the past.
Roseboro had alot of coaches fooled, because of his performance at the IS8 tournament.
The reason the previous regime was bashed for the "reaches" they made, was because none of them really amounted to much...who knows what Buzz will be able to do with some of the under the radar guys he brings in?
The previous regime offered Pat Hazel a scholarship after watching him play in open gym.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 26, 2010, 11:43:33 AM
The previous regime offered Pat Hazel a scholarship after watching him play in open gym.
I dropped in 10 3's in a row during an intramural game, too bad Crean wasn't there to see that.
Quote from: bma725 on January 26, 2010, 09:46:45 AM
He may have been, but Terry was from Fresno, which probably doesn't fit most people's definition of southern California. In fact I've tried finding one to answer PRN's question, but all the California kids that came to MU appear to be from the mid or northern part of the state.
Michael Davis was from Chico, David Boone from San Fran, Reason from Fresno etc. I suppose we could count Mbao since he went to Stonebridge in Simi Valley, which is definitely SoCal.
Fresno is Central California, definitely not Southern. Thanks for the clarity on Boone. I knew he was from Cali, just not sure where. Mbao did play in Simi Valley, but I think he only lived out here for a year or so. If this is wrong, please correct me.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 26, 2010, 11:43:33 AM
Roseboro had alot of coaches fooled, because of his performance at the IS8 tournament.
The reason the previous regime was bashed for the "reaches" they made, was because none of them really amounted to much...who knows what Buzz will be able to do with some of the under the radar guys he brings in?
The previous regime offered Pat Hazel a scholarship after watching him play in open gym.
Well here's where I smell the double standard again. No question there were panic signings of bigs in the previous regimes (not just TC, but Deane as well...Clauson being one, Polo another, etc).
Roseboro, if I recall, was not offered by anyone of any repute. Sure, there were the obligatory "teams are interested" that was a mile long, but not offered, let alone signed. For as many reaches as the previous regimes made, at least many of those guys were offered by DI schools.
Examples below
Marcus Jackson - Georgia (SEC)
Trend Blackledge - Bowling Green, Duquense....A-10 material like Roseboro
Dwight Burke - East Carolina (CUSA) signed originally, Rhode Island, Richmond and St. Bonaventure
Patrick Hazel - UMass, Rhode Island, Hofstra - Similar to Roseboro, A-10 material
Jamil Lott - USC, Georgia, South Florida
Mike Kinsella - Rice University (CUSA) signed
In each case, these were guys that supposedly had high upside, were unpolished, etc. I feel like we've been down this road many times. Watching Mbao, more of the same. It takes a long time for bigs to develop, but I still contend that MU just flat out has a tough time getting quality bigs and has to reach almost always in the last 20 years. Amal was a reach that turned out well, but he was still a reach. The Deane bigs were reaches. TC's bigs, most of them, were reaches. Buzz, same thing so far.
As much as previous regime gets killed for those selections, they were all offered by programs
What point are you even trying to make? Congratulations, you did some google searches and found what school each player was considering. Whats the point?
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 25, 2010, 09:39:13 PM
Buzz is in a situation right now, where for 2010, he is going to have to take a JUCO big and/or an under the radar HS big as a way of adding some depth up front.
On his radio show last night, he said that he is looking for 2 players who can contribute next year at the start of conference play. I think he has his eyes on at least one JUCO player.
Quote from: mufanatic on January 26, 2010, 01:12:08 PM
On his radio show last night, he said that he is looking for 2 players who can contribute next year at the start of conference play. I think he has his eyes on at least one JUCO player.
Heard that. A pretty smart guy submitted that question to Homer 8-)
He also hedged himself later saying that "there isnt alot to pull from in the spring."
It will be interesting to see what happens with the last 2 openings.
Quote from: mufanatic on January 26, 2010, 01:12:08 PM
On his radio show last night, he said that he is looking for 2 players who can contribute next year at the start of conference play.
SJS will be happy to hear this...assuming one or both of them is at least 6-10, 250. Its usually no problem finding those guys, so its good to hear Buzz finally has his recruiting priorities in order.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 26, 2010, 01:15:11 PM
Heard that. A pretty smart guy submitted that question to Homer 8-)
He also hedged himself later saying that "there isnt alot to pull from in the spring."
It will be interesting to see what happens with the last 2 openings.
Yep, and I'll agree that it would be pretty much impossible for Buzz to avoid going with a Juco and/or under the radar big. Considering the roster attrition and injuries we've had, it would be beyond foolish to bank the scholarship and even if Buzz would pull a major rabbit out of his hat and get a Maurice Walker there's still another spot and there isn't much left to fill it. If a guy like Murphy has to come in then that's just the reality of the situation. So long as there's potential he can contribute at some point it will be better than nothing. It's not at all the the same thing as another Roseboro because the Roseboro lesson was to get a larger sample size of his play and do some due diligence, it wasn't simply about bringing in an under the radar, unranked recruit.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 26, 2010, 01:03:29 PM
What point are you even trying to make? Congratulations, you did some google searches and found what school each player was considering. Whats the point?
My point is what I've been saying for the last 10 years....you can't just go down to the corner store and pick up quality bigs. They aren't there. For all the bitching and whining we had about our bigs in the last decade, you can go back even further because MU has had a tough time getting bigs since basically Al and Hank. The double standard on here has been bizarre.
Sure, we've had one or two, but by and large we've had to go for reaches time and time again. I hope that changes with Buzz, but I'd argue all the bigs signed so far were of the same variety. Could be good, might be good, very raw, good athletes, but at the end of the day....still reaches.
This is in no way an indictment on Buzz, which for some reason I think you are taking it that way. If anything, he's bumping up against the same dilemma that Crean, Deane, KO, Dukiet, Majerus all confronted. Supply and demand. Maybe Buzz can break through, we can all only hope. More than likely it's going to take us to get one quality big and have him succeed, then the pipeline starts, but we have to get the first guy.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 26, 2010, 01:41:48 PM
My point is what I've been saying for the last 10 years....you can't just go down to the corner store and pick up quality bigs. They aren't there. For all the bitching and whining we had about our bigs in the last decade, you can go back even further because MU has had a tough time getting bigs since basically Al and Hank. The double standard on here has been bizarre.
Sure, we've had one or two, but by and large we've had to go for reaches time and time again. I hope that changes with Buzz, but I'd argue all the bigs signed so far were of the same variety. Could be good, might be good, very raw, good athletes, but at the end of the day....still reaches.
This is in no way an indictment on Buzz, which for some reason I think you are taking it that way. If anything, he's bumping up against the same dilemma that Crean, Deane, KO, Dukiet, Majerus all confronted. Supply and demand. Maybe Buzz can break through, we can all only hope. More than likely it's going to take us to get one quality big and have him succeed, then the pipeline starts, but we have to get the first guy.
Lets leave KO out of this...he did pretty well with MacIlvaine, Key and Faisel. Went 1 for 3 with projects (Shaw,
Amal & Streater) and had a serviceble back up in Abel. Plus Curry, Crawford and Eford all had height we'd kill for right now.
The longer Buzz is head coach the better chance he will have at landing bigs in my opinion. Big players make their decisions relatively sooner than guards IMO. You have to recruit them early on and often because the amount of schools that recruit power forwards and centers is higher than that of guards.
It takes one high quality big to change whatever perception bigger players have of Marquette. Since Wade Marquette has had no trouble recruiting guards.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 26, 2010, 01:41:48 PM
My point is what I've been saying for the last 10 years....you can't just go down to the corner store and pick up quality bigs. They aren't there. For all the bitching and whining we had about our bigs in the last decade, you can go back even further because MU has had a tough time getting bigs since basically Al and Hank. The double standard on here has been bizarre.
Sure, we've had one or two, but by and large we've had to go for reaches time and time again. I hope that changes with Buzz, but I'd argue all the bigs signed so far were of the same variety. Could be good, might be good, very raw, good athletes, but at the end of the day....still reaches.
This is in no way an indictment on Buzz, which for some reason I think you are taking it that way. If anything, he's bumping up against the same dilemma that Crean, Deane, KO, Dukiet, Majerus all confronted. Supply and demand. Maybe Buzz can break through, we can all only hope. More than likely it's going to take us to get one quality big and have him succeed, then the pipeline starts, but we have to get the first guy.
Chicos...I dont think anyone that understands recruiting, and the situation MU is in, would disagree with anything you just said.
However...If you are so understanding, why in your first post, did you insinuate there must be something wrong with him, because the "big boys" at UCLA and USC werent recruiting him?
Why did you cite old scouting reports calling him a low major prospect...and ignore the more recent ones that mention his improvement and potential?
I dont care about your circle jerk with MU84, Hayward, or PRN...you all sound like fools. All I am hoping for is consistency and a real understanding of the situation we are in.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 26, 2010, 01:41:48 PM
This is in no way an indictment on Buzz, which for some reason I think you are taking it that way. If anything, he's bumping up against the same dilemma that Crean, Deane, KO, Dukiet, Majerus all confronted. Supply and demand. Maybe Buzz can break through, we can all only hope. More than likely it's going to take us to get one quality big and have him succeed, then the pipeline starts, but we have to get the first guy.
Exactly right...until Buzz can walk into a PF or C's living room and tell a high school big and his family, "look what me and my staff were able to do with _______" and can hang his hat on the development of an NBA or NBA-bound interior player, MU will continue to struggle to land the prized "big" recruits...
I'm as big of a Marquette fan as anyone here, and I want to think that these kids would jump at the opportunity for immediate PT at MU; but realistically, if I were a 6'10" 5-star recruit and I had Calhoun, Thompson III, Roy Williams, Bill Self, and Buzz Williams knocking on my door talking to me about my future...it's highly unlikely I'd choose the coach with no proven track record of developing bigs and landing them in the NBA
It's unfortunate, but thats the predicament that MU is in [and many other schools / coaches]...That said though, we've landed several top notch guards at Marquette because MU has a track record of developing guards into players capable of playing at the next level...
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 26, 2010, 02:08:12 PM
I dont care about your circle jerk with MU84, Hayward, or PRN...you all sound like fools. All I am hoping for is consistency and a real understanding of the situation we are in.
How am I in a circle jerk (one of my favorite pasttimes) with Chicos?
And HOW DARE YOU lump me into a group that includes SJS!!!
Yep. Bigs go places like Georgetown and Syracuse, the way guards go to MU. Its not as if we can sign them, simply because we need them.
Quote from: MU_Iceman on January 26, 2010, 02:08:40 PM
Exactly right...until Buzz can walk into a PF or C's living room and tell a high school big and his family, "look what me and my staff were able to do with _______" and can hang his hat on the development of an NBA or NBA-bound interior player, MU will continue to struggle to land the prized "big" recruits...
Merrit living up to the potential some thought he had in 2003-04 would have been huge. I remember that there were people thinking he was going to be a first round pick. There was some logic to it as he was big, skilled, and athletic and was on a team that lost two key starters and now it was his year to showcase himself. It would have been nice for MU to have that as a talking point. Maybe Crean could have added that ever elusive big to compliment the amigos and Lazar.
Back to Murphy. After all the talk, does he even have any interest in MU?
Quote from: The Lens on January 26, 2010, 02:06:55 PM
Lets leave KO out of this...he did pretty well with MacIlvaine, Key and Faisel. Went 1 for 3 with projects (Shaw, Amal & Streater) and had a serviceble back up in Abel. Plus Curry, Crawford and Eford all had height we'd kill for right now.
Good points, but I'd add a little color to it.
KO also did it in a time where Univ. of Wisconsin basically didn't exist. The state had two quality bigs in MU's backyard which hasn't happened in forever it seems. All the bigs since then, with the exception of Jackson (who Crean got to go to MU) have been from outside of the SE Wisconsin area. In today's day, a Mac and Key likely would go to Wisconsin and not MU. Faisel was one of my favorite players of all time, would love to have him on this team. I don't recall how heavily he was recruited. I'd add Abel Joseph, Joe Krysiak (great guy), Jeff Zavada, etc to the list of the projects.
I'd agree with you on the other guys...Curry, Eford, etc all had nice size, though certainly not "bigs" by definition. I was hoping E-Will could be one of those type of players, let's hope in the few years he is
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 26, 2010, 11:43:33 AM
Roseboro had alot of coaches fooled, because of his performance at the IS8 tournament.
The reason the previous regime was bashed for the "reaches" they made, was because none of them really amounted to much...who knows what Buzz will be able to do with some of the under the radar guys he brings in?
The previous regime offered Pat Hazel a scholarship after watching him play in open gym.
For all of you conspiracy theorists out there......who was it that turned Buzz on to Roseboro? J-May. Hmmmmmm, maybe it was all one big plot to sabotage MU hoops for a couple of years.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 26, 2010, 02:08:12 PM
Chicos...I dont think anyone that understands recruiting, and the situation MU is in, would disagree with anything you just said.
However...If you are so understanding, why in your first post, did you insinuate there must be something wrong with him, because the "big boys" at UCLA and USC werent recruiting him?
Why did you cite old scouting reports calling him a low major prospect...and ignore the more recent ones that mention his improvement and potential?
I dont care about your circle jerk with MU84, Hayward, or PRN...you all sound like fools. All I am hoping for is consistency and a real understanding of the situation we are in.
Let's just be straightforward about this:
If Crean were recruiting this kid, there would be a collection of haters/doubters saying that the kid isn't that good:
"MU needs to find a big man ranked higher than X (insert arbitrary number) to compete in the Big East! WTF!"
Buzz has not acquired this sort of "fan club" yet, which is great, actually. I hope he never has that type of ill-will built up.
If Chico's is Buzz's biggest "hater", then Buzz is doing an amazing job.
Isn't it funny that with all we lost from last year the guy that may end up being the most difficult to replace may be Dwight Burke :o
Well said. I'd kill to have him on the team this year. Ironic, ain't it?
Right now, a Burke/Grimm/Grosse rotation at center looks pretty good.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 26, 2010, 02:08:12 PM
Chicos...I dont think anyone that understands recruiting, and the situation MU is in, would disagree with anything you just said.
However...If you are so understanding, why in your first post, did you insinuate there must be something wrong with him, because the "big boys" at UCLA and USC werent recruiting him?
Why did you cite old scouting reports calling him a low major prospect...and ignore the more recent ones that mention his improvement and potential?
I dont care about your circle jerk with MU84, Hayward, or PRN...you all sound like fools. All I am hoping for is consistency and a real understanding of the situation we are in.
Honestly, you continue to read into something that isn't there. I did not imply there was something "wrong" with him. Not at all, I don't know why you keep going there. I simply said that is was very interesting based on the list of schools that were recruiting him that the local schools were not. On further reflection, I saw his rating and figured that's why they didn't recruit him. If I had to do it over again, I would have looked up his rating first. But in no way, shape or form am I suggesting, hinting, or whatever that there is something wrong with the kid. I'm sorry you took it that way.
Why are you focusing only on ONE PART of what I said. Yes, I mentioned the old scouting report and IN THE SAME POST also mentioned a GOOD REPORT. I did BOTH! You focused on only one.
But if you must ask, I think the reasoning is clear.....for the last few decades, by and large we have had to reach on bigs time and time again. This seems to fit the mold again. Lower ranked player, lots of promise, might be a hidden gem (hope he is) but basically follows the same path again and again and again. This is the irony in all this because the same thing keeps happening for what seems like forever, but now all of a sudden it's ok. A few years ago it was not.
If I recall correctly the last two 4 star bigs we have signed in the last 15 years were Scott Merritt (Crean) and Robert Jackson (Crean). If there were others, and there may have been, I can't recall. Prior to that there was Jimmy Mac and Damon Key, who would both qualify for a 4 star or higher recruit. But that was also in an era where Badger basketball sucked so bad that if they stayed in state, they had really only MU to go to. In the "post Badger" age, I cannot think of any other than Merritt and Jackson. I think Mbawke was a 3 star. I believe Crawford was a 3 star.
As I recall, Amal McCaskle (spelling?) didn't even start for his high school team. Ended up with a reasonable pro career. So I'm OK with periodic "reaches", I just wish our reaches would stay healthy.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 26, 2010, 03:53:48 PM
Why are you focusing only on ONE PART of what I said. Yes, I mentioned the old scouting report and IN THE SAME POST also mentioned a GOOD REPORT. I did BOTH! You focused on only one.
Actually, this is what you posted:
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 25, 2010, 01:28:31 PM
If he's a late bloomer, great. I hope he is because some of the write-ups in the past don't scream high major.
"Additionally 6'9" junior center Reggie Murphy is an intriguing long-term prospect that deserves monitoring by low-mid major programs. Murphy has excellent size, runs the floor well and is deceptively skilled on the block."
ESPN, on the other hand, has some nice things to say about him of late.
Yes, you "mentioned" a good report, but focused on the poor scouting report, and emphasized the fact that it called him a low-major prosepect.
Why didnt you cut an paste the nice things espn said? Why didn't you include the most recent Scout update that was more promising?
I pretty clearly stated..."on the other hand, ESPN has some nice things to say about him of late"
I'm sorry I didn't cut and paste from ESPN, but let's be clear....I gave the one report that painted him as low-mid major and I gave the ESPN nod that they had nice things to say about him of late.
For whatever reason, you seemed to ignore that part about ESPN that I clearly stated.
You are really into conspiracy theories....that would allow you to circle jerk with Lenny and Mr. Hayward. ;D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 26, 2010, 05:14:27 PM
I pretty clearly stated..."on the other hand, ESPN has some nice things to say about him of late"
I'm sorry I didn't cut and paste from ESPN, but let's be clear....I gave the one report that painted him as low-mid major and I gave the ESPN nod that they had nice things to say about him of late.
For whatever reason, you seemed to ignore that part about ESPN that I clearly stated.
You are really into conspiracy theories....that would allow you to circle jerk with Lenny and Mr. Hayward. ;D
Not into consipracy theories...Just wondering why you posted and
emphasized the poor, outdated scouting report...while only briefly mentioning that ESPN said a "few nice things to say."
Why go out of your way to post one, and not the other?
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 26, 2010, 05:19:45 PM
Not into consipracy theories...Just wondering why you posted and emphasized the poor, outdated scouting report...while only briefly mentioning that ESPN said a "few nice things to say."
Why go out of your way to post one, and not the other?
Because one basically was vanilla nothingness....improving west coast prospect, great hands, etc...score of 85 (Mbaou had an 88 to give you a benchmark) while the other report was more detailed.
Yes, you're digging....sorry, no conspiracy. I quoted one because it had some flavor to it while the other one was your typically generic writeup on a player that all these services do and you have to wonder if they've ever bothered to actually see the player because the write-ups are all the same with a few words moved around.
That's why. Again, I hope Buzz goes after the kid and if he's a diamond in the rough, then even the better. At some point, however, it sure would be great to get a 4 star or 5 star big man that everyone wants....it's been since Merrit and Jackson since that has happened.
Here's a few additional nice things about Reggie that I just found. Says Oklahoma is also looking at him.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=4825514